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I like how Jen tries to keep everyone level headed
Yess
I think Devin is more against the opulence and grandeur of engagement photos. The pressure and expectation to look perfect, grand poses, and full 'life' seasons that aren't the couple's real life. I get what she means. In India, pre-wedding photos have become an an entire experience. The couple basically shoots their own version of a music video, complete with drones and music.
THIS.
Agreed!!!
I get you, it's often cringey
That part
My fiancé and I got engaged last month. I took 4 or 5 pictures of us and my ring right after, me with puffy eyes and everything from crying. And that's it. Those mean more to me than any professional photos a few weeks later ever would. And i look forward to taking nice pictures for our invitation and at the wedding.
•GachaRita• Well she got over 250 likes so people do care. And you got none, so if people don’t care about someone it’s you my friend.
I'm engaged and I honestly fully agree with Devin.
I actually agree with Devin, social media I think has forced people to do unnecessary things in front of a camera. Not just engagment photos, but also gender reveals, millions of baby photos, and any other life achievement. Unless its pets, pets are always cute.
Pamela Westphal omg yass pets are amazing.
ALL photos are a waste!
Tbh i think its fine to take photo a lot. Id rather document my life so I can look back.
I want photos of my kids and family photos by a photographer because I want them in my house on a mantle and/or walls. I want mine printed and scrapbooked. People who just put them on social media, I think is a waste, but there are people who still print photos and put them in their home. I remember taking photos with my siblings and there are fancy pictures of me as a baby... and that was before social media. At my grandma’s house, all these pictures are in the stairwell and over the fireplace. I can’t wait to have the scrapbooks my grandma made to show my kids my childhood through photos and words that my grandma wrote about the events. HECK, I even want to show my kids my awkward phase to tell them that they will grow out of theirs lol. I do not think photos of family and kids are a waste.
@@adaabeja2061 I agree with you. You should never feel forced to do certain pictures or to post them. A lot of people like to get professional photos just to be able to hang them in their house or use them for decoration. The thing about this though is that they're A LOT cheaper than wedding/engagement photos... even though they're literally the same process. You shouldn't be charged by event.
I think the whole modern wedding concept is overpriced and over done
Same, my Husband is in the Navy and we did a simple courthouse wedding just to get the paperwork done, it was less than $500. We are planning a vow renewal ceremony for our 10 year anniversary so that we can invite more family and friends who felt left out the first go round.
Oh absolutely. The whole wedding industrial complex is so twisted and insane.
Yesssss.
Yep. I’m getting married next month and we’ll just go to the courthouse to make it official with no one else and on the weekend we’re letting our family throw a casual party for us. My ring is $5 on Etsy. Don’t even get me started on rings. We didn’t announce an engagement because we just decided to finally get married and when you’re with someone for 7 years it’s pretty pointless cause everyone important already knows you’re basically engaged. And I’m having a talented friend take pictures the day of the party.
@@Alyssa684 ring prices are ridiculous!!!!
devin has turned into a young hippie grandma
Vino and hanky panky
Everything related to the wedding ceremony is a scam. Stick the word "wedding" or "engagement" in front of a normal word like "dress", "cake" or photo and watch the price go sky high. We don't need posed photos of what it's like to be engaged. It's all anticipation of being married, which is pretty awesome if I say so.
Yes it's more expensive because it's more important and more goes into it. You can reschedule graduation photos but not a wedding. A wedding cake is way more elaborate than any birthday cake I've ever seen. More people are packed into a venue for weddings than retirement parties. There's more effort and/or risk on the vendors' parts because it's one of, if not the most important day of these peoples' lives.
We didn’t do engagement photos. Still married 17 years later. Just money we didn’t want to spend.
I didn't even realise Americans paid for engagement photos!
I'm so glad I got engaged before Facebook even existed. Save the date stationery didn't exist either!
PS Married 33 years in March!
@@wilmaknickersfit congratulations! :)
I had my stepmother in law do ours. She did them for free
MissMargaret married 9 years and I totally wish we had engagement photos 😩
I do think that engagement photos are ridiculous and unnecessary. But if you want to take them, you do you.
toocoolforcapes yeah I agree
agreed
Agreed
I wouldn’t post them id just take some of me and the person I’m engaging to remember the moment
This. 100%. I had a wedding photographer and our photos look amazing. We personally didn't want engagement photos for the exact reason Devin expressed. They're just there to post to social media. We didn't want to spend the money and we thought they were just there to brag for unnecessary reasons. We'll be married for 2 years this May.
You can tell Devin is a capricorn 😂😂 save them dollars to buy something useful, yes girl.
Kristen is probably my favorite Lady in the group, but she was being kind of a jerk about this argument. She is taking it way too personally.
She always takes everything personally, nevaise she's lame as hell. And everyone else at BF knows it.
well, to be fair, she's the only one who's actually married, who experienced the entire process, and now, one of her unmarried co-workers/friends is saying that it's a worthless scam and a waste of money and time and that she doesn't even want to see it on her social media. If Kristen loves her engagement pictures, I'm sure that she holds them very special to her. And honestly, if one of my friends said that she didn't want to see my engagement pictures anywhere and then called it a scam and waste of money, that would really hurt my feelings. Like, those pictures are meant to commemorate a time of intense love and joy: I would absolutely want to share that with people I love and care about. And honestly, if you have an issue of seeing engagement shit on social media, that's a you problem. Wedding can be lavish, or they can be very simple. I don't think it really matters which one it is, as long as the people who are doing it are doing it their way and are really happy about it. And it's not fair to judge people on what they want to do that makes them happy, based on the money they spend. I'm sure everyone has some sort of expensive indulgence. Honeymoons can be an indulgence! My parents didn't honeymoon because they thought it was a waste of money, but they wanted to put money into the wedding because it was important to them and their families to celebrate that joining.
Exactly how I feel, she is taking it WAY too personally, and who is she to say it's because Devin is petty about not being married?
I use to really admire Kristin, I relate to her on many levels... but now I feel like .. yeah yeah you made your point. Shut up and move on🤷♀️
Shes constantly overtaking the other girls and always has something to shriek about.
Its lady like, not Kristen like💁♀️💁♀️
*talking over the other girls
People shouldn't post EVERY LITTLE THING on Facebook and Instagram.... They just shouldn't....
Twenty One Panicked Pilots At The Disco who cares what they do.
Someone once posted a pic of their child's shit. The caption was "look my boy is getting so big".
it’s there account not yours
Why just why give a good reason
I mean depends what every little thing is
I feel like a lot of wedding culture is waaaayyyy too overpriced and is normalized by society. Like dropping $2K+ on a dress that’ll you never wear again, inviting everyone and their uncle that you haven’t seen since you were 5 instead of the just the people that actually matter, going way over the top with the venue, etc. Like yes it should be a special and wonderful day/night but like in the US the ave. wedding cost $25K and that’s just too much.
U get wat u pay for ....ur paying for up too a 100 editted photos plus experience
My weeding cost $250. I got my dress from goodwill, re-sewed it then went to a court house, invited some close friend and family, they took photos for my so I had about 5 people taking photos for free. where I spent the money was
Food for everyone after and on our honeymoon that was a adventure meant for just us.
You’re kind of right but on opposite terms. You only get one experience to want to maybe the most special days in your life and the only reason is specialist because of how much effort you put into it
Don’t forget about a $10,000+ ring. Diamond industry is a monopoly and run by 1 company that sets the prices.
Honestly, who in the hell has that kind of money for a wedding? That's an inconceivable expense to me
Lmao I love how much Devin hates engagement photos, yet she had the most extra Christmas card with her cats 😂
My biggest wedding pet peeve is how EVERYONE takes their pics or has their wedding in some kind of barn, plantation, haystack, etc. Stop. We all know you've never even stood near a cow in your life. Stop pretending you have a country aesthetic when you grew up in the city. I guess I just hate when people pretend they're totally different people for their weddings.
Deanna K yeehaw
Jazmine Cass it's still tacky as hell in my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
Yes THIS! Pick something or a location that's applicable to your lives at least! See also: train tracks.
First of all, most kids don’t have a choice on where they grew up, so if they grew up in the city but they really wanted to grow up in the country they had no choice over that. And it’s not up to you to decide where people want their weddings. if m they grew up in the city and they want to have their wedding in the country then so be it.
boop yeah but if they love the country but didn't get to grow up there, they most likely have vacationed in the country, go to farms, participate in 4H, do corn mazes, listen to country music, go to rodeos, etc. I think it's pretty obvious what I meant by my comment and you're purposely misunderstanding.
I have always felt engagement photos were fake and way too staged. I have only seen a handful that actual make me say YES that is what love looks like or OMG you can see how much they love each other. So I agree with Devin 100%. I am not anti pictures just anti staged, ridiculously expensive photos that dont show your version of love towards your partner.
Not all photographers do staged photos. There are tons like myself that are actually not into that at all and want genuine real moments that let their personalities and love for each other shine through. Perhaps you just haven't seen photos from a good photographer yet?
I meannn....she's not wrong lol. Engagement photos seem really redundant. Especially for a couple that's also going to take wedding photos too. I personally dont see the point in both. Take the standard "engagement ring strategically placed in front of camera" photo and call it a day. Im unsure what the purpose of a photoshoot weeks after the engagement is for.
The point, usually, is that its fun and makes the couple happy. And so who cares?
It generates likes and praise for the poster, which triggers a positive dopamine response in the brain. Addicted to attention.
KelseyToast no people do it for attention to feel good about themselves. People didnt do it for as long as marriage has existed until now.
It’s so you can have more relaxed or casual photos. Photos on the wedding day can be very stressful.
I thought the same thing- I got engaged two and a half years ago and got married last September; we were broke 20 and 18s year old beings who didn't think we could afford/didn't really care about engagement shoots. Once we started planning our wedding we found a photographer who included engagement photos in his wedding package; so we bit. We spent two isssh hours doing engagement and talking to him getting to know him. We became friends and it was much more personal and enjoyable to have him at the wedding after taking the time to build a connection with him.
I feel like Kristen was actually really mad 😂😂😂
Jen is my favorite person because she’s saying they should listen and being fair and unbiased. Also I don’t like these kind of videos because it feels mean
All of these videos would be a lot less judgemental if they'd get rid of Kristin lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂
they’re all just having fun lol y’all take everything too serious
Forget the pictures. The entire wedding is a scam. Save that 10k for a House. You’re gonna have emergencies and life problems as well and you’ll wish you saved that money
I mean it is a once in a lifetime experience..
Bb I is it? How many people do you know that have been divorced and re married?
The common statistic is that half of marriages end in divorce and the more a couple spends on a wedding the more likely they are to divorce.
Lol 10k.
10k? People spend like 15k-30k for one day and end up going into debt or putting their parents into more debt by letting them pay for it and wondering why their parents aren't retired yet.
oh my god I agree so much. I know people who spent 20k+ just on their wedding and I know them and I know they can't afford that and I'm just like wtf why are you going 20k in debt for one night?? give me a cute white sundress and let's go to the courthouse, idc. dropping thousands on a wedding doesn't really help anything
Engagement photos aren't necessary, but nobody said they are. If you want engagement photos then you can buy it. It's not a scam it's a product that you buy just like anything else because you prioritize having photos of you two
Am I the only one who feels like this series is filled with so much hostility 😂
I think taking engagement photos are more of an American thing to do
Ezrea Cartier true! i am american and almost everyone (from my area) takes engagement photos! its kinda crazu! but whatever!
It's also a thing in the Philippines. And people go all-out. Some even hire a professional team of photographers, make-up artists, and stylists.
It's not really a thing in the uk
haha, yea I kinda agree with Devin though. I would love to see engagement photos of people sitting on the couch watching Netflix rather than people on a beach at 5am
Jessica Lord I love unique photos that show the quirky personalities of the couples. Later on my fiancé and I want to take some of us as favorite characters, but we will do it on our own as a special project. Our engagement photos were $80 and very simply us in 50’s garb. We had one prop, a snarky but apt card my mom gave us.
@@erinmcmillan1611 haha I like that it's very cute and meaningful
I have a pretty intense opinion about this. My best friend was about to get married and got really beautiful engagement photos. Two weeks before the wedding, her fiancé was killed in a car accident. The photos they got for the engagement were the last pictures they have together. I think if you want pictures to immortalize your marriage before it happens, you should. Treasuring moments together isn’t for other people, it’s for the people getting married.
🙌 Yes. This.
Engagement photos are not the same things as random selfies and pictures of meals. 🙄
@@ViolinChick5 yes but they took a turn from a classic/classy image of a couple actually looking at the camera in a nice pose, to couples using outrageous props & stealing ideas from pinterest to do something that'll gain attention on social media. "he stole my heart so i'm stealing his last name!" written on a chalkboard while the couple stands in some forest, field, beach or farm (with country accessories if they're on a farm of course)
Yes, this is an very happy moment for most people. Why not remember it?
Thank you! Not everything is for social media and just to get likes
the thing is these should be meant as memories, not as facebook and instagram photos. i agree with you, but i don't think devin was wrong
Wedding photographer here. Little known fact! Engagement photos are often included in wedding photo packages and used to help you get comfy with 1. your photographer (you have to hang out with us for your whooole wedding day!) and 2. being in front of a camera. Kristin's arguments are on point!
I didn't have engagement photos. I thought they were pointless.
Agree. My (now) husband proposed when we were out on a date, we took a few selfies of us and the ring during our happy moment, and kept it moving. Lol Photographers (while I find very talented and useful for some occassions) can be way too expensive for broke folk, and I believe the money can be put to better use than engagement photos, IMO.
Same! 😊
I just got engaged this last December and that's exactly what we did. I love our couple of selfies, you can see how happy we are.
I think the whole thing is symptomatic of a larger problem with people's lives being weighted towards their wedding as soon as they get engaged. They ultimately care more and put more time and effort into their wedding than they do to their marriage. Engagement photos aren't any more of a scam than wedding photos, wedding bands (the musical kind), calligraphers, invitations, tuxedos and wedding dresses. My own engagement was 8 months long, the entire wedding party was 8 people (including my wife & I) and they only found out about it 4 weeks beforehand. The whole day came in at about £1,000 including the casting of our rings, marriage licence fee and dinner. Everyone had a fantastic day because WE GOT MARRIED!
Amen! :)
Totally agree you don t need anything to prove your love. Even a marriage if you don t want. Live the life you want and don t think you need to take out loans for a wedding.
I think Engagement Photos are pointless. But than again I think most aspects of weddings are too expansive and unnecessary. In saying that, to each their own.
The whole wedding is a scam. Weddings were invented to control society and to grab our money
Not going to lie I literally thought the exact same things Devin did. My now husband proposed to me when we were 20. We both were living paycheck to paycheck so he actually couldn't even get me a ring. Which also meant we couldn't afford engagement photos, save the date, invitations, and the whole shebang. We waited two years before we were finally able to afford a small wedding in Conroe, Texas. My husband's cousin was going to take the wedding photos for us. Not a professional but the thought totally counted. However, a week before the wedding we had a hurricane and had severe flooding. Our venue canceled on us. We scrammed to find a venue in our hometown Tyler. Finally found one and the day before the wedding the hotel where we were going to have the wedding canceled on us due to them having to host hurricane victims. Which totally understand however that forced us to scram again 24 hours prior to the wedding. We were able to find a church and honestly it was the worst experience of my life. The church venue had no AC so everyone was a hot mess. Our photographer was not able to come. A friend took pictures but they were not the best quality and it also took them almost half a year to get them to us. Our wedding guests were only people who were in the wedding party, my parents, his father, and his grandparents, and three cousins. I seriously regret not having taken engagement photos or had someone with more experience take the pictures of our wedding. The pictures I do own honestly make me sad to look at. It may seem a little unnecessary to spend so much money on a photographer but that's such a special day and to have it captured forever is truly priceless.
Why didnt you cancel and wait for a better day? There's no rush to get married
@@casmeraki agree
“you know WHAT devin?!!!”
As a student photographer who was asked to do a wedding for a very low budget with 0 experience, I can guarantee that spending more money and meeting the couple beforehand is SUPER beneficial. I had no idea what the couple were like, how they were with each other, how I could act etc so I just took photos like I would with a portrait photograph and it didn’t turn out great. Wedding/engagement photographers are SO underrated and if they do a good job, they’re worth their price rate.
I agree with Devin, save that money for the wedding, honeymoon, baby photography.
I feel like the engagement can be unproffesional photos, it's the wedding and if you have a baby, baby photos you should splurge on.
This photographer has a new found respect for Kristin. GIRL PREACH IT!!!! Good photography is a luxury item. Not everyone values that, but many people do.
My husband and I did engagement photos because we wanted to use the photos on the wedding invitation and in the wedding decor. We also used them in the guest book and we did a calendar. So they're not a scam, they can be useful in many ways.
Thank you!
Exactly! And like Kristen said they're often a package deal. It was so helpful also to work with our wedding photographers before the actual wedding and get to know them and have them get to know us. We also used our engagement photos for our website, guestbook, etc.
I also used mine for invites and gifts for my parents :) I am very happy I got to document that really happy part of my life
Hi, wedding photographer here. LISTEN TO KRISTEN! If your photographer doesn't include a package for engagement photos, maybe pay for it but most photographers include it. It gives you such a good opportunity to get comfortable with the person you're about to share the majority of the day with on your wedding day, besides your spouse!
Yes!!! I tell people make sure you are comfortable with your photographer because they will be with you more then anyone else on your wedding day.
I just got engagement photos taken! We weren't planning on getting them but then the photographer we loved and could afford included engagement photos in all of her wedding packages. She said that she enjoys getting to know the couple before the wedding day.
I also love our photos! I'm so excited to have them to capture this exciting time!
I hear Devin on social media normalizing hiring expensive professionals for things like weddings and basically just spending more money in general, though. I hear her. Targeting engagement photos alone is just a tiny part of it though.
I am LOVING this series! Spill all the tea, ladies!
Also I agree with Jen's comment at the end about how engagement photos aren't a scam but the pressure to take them is the scam
I dont take photos or selfies on the daily so having an excuse to take really nice photos that make me feel beautiful, create memories of a fun day and have something really beautiful as a couple to remember why we decided to get married, before actually being married and reflect some of what we love to do together could just make those hard days as a couple just a little easier. A reminder of the days that brought passion and love and why it was there and that it is still there. I'm not married, I've been engaged at one point but honestly. I think this take comes from photos no longer being precious luxury but a daily convenience. Devin would definitely not be talking like this if they were her grandparents' posting their engagement photos from decades ago on FB if they had had the luxury to take them.
My parents had an engagement photo in the newspaper. I did too actually because I am from a small town where people still do that. Engagement pictures aren't new. And people like seeing them. Devin is just bitter as usual.
MyKindOfCrazy You nailed it!
This is perfectly said.. I feel the same way too
I agree with Devin. Engagement photos as well as extravagant weddings are very much so an American thing. Many European countries just do a simple wedding with direct family or friends and that’s it. It’s an unnecessary cost in my opinion. Also NO WONDER that so many couples declare bankruptcy after getting married. The American ideal of weddings and everything surrounding them is so bizarre.
Yup! Even rich celebrities sometimes opt for simple / courthouse weddings even though they obviously have the money for whatever kind of wedding they would like. There’s something way more romantic about a simple / small wedding
I agree, people are being pushed to spend more
It is just weird to make engagement photos... the wedding is the happening not just the engagement :') it is normal to get photos taken at a wedding and post just a few on facebook, the rest is plastered in a photo album.
i agree with devin IN SO MANY LEVELS
Over priced just like anything else related to weddings 🤷♀️ it’s a scam. FYI, I’m married and been through the process.
I don’t think engagement photos are any different than senior pictures, wedding photos, maternity pictures or family pictures. If you hire a photographer they capturing a time period of your life you would like to remember. While social media may have encouraged engagement photos, social media has encouraged all photos. Cat photos, food photos, selfies, and event photos. All pictures should be up to the individual... engagement photos or other wise.
I got my pictures for free from my cousin... WITH HER PHONE and they are fantastic
Haley Holland I hardcore thought engagement photos was just like the moment u get engaged u take the picture lol
@@fruitcake969 Same haha! I didn't even know that photographers do engagement photos! I captured that genuine moment of surprise, with the waiter at the restaurant on a camera phone, for free haha!
“Do you care? No” KILLED ME.
Kristen was being mad rude like she’s getting so heated for no reason it’s someone’s opinion it can’t be wrong.
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I hate engagement photos too! I didn't get any and I have no problem with that. Where I live people also do wedding photos before they get married and I hate that too.
Hannah Almendarez wedding photos before the wedding? How do they do that?
Wait, wait, wait... pre-wedding wedding photos?? 😳 People do that?!
If an important family member is ill eg cancer ect i could see why
@@LexiJayC put on the dress and the tux go somewhere pretty take photos. I dont know people who have done it before but I think I have seen people do it after where they go back to the same venue to do the photos later so they can actually see their guests.
KMichelle Argus that seems really expensive if they have professionals do their hair and make-up and to hire a professional photographer for a different day, but I could see how it works now :)
i think that spending more than $100-$500 on wedding/engagement photos is ridiculous
but then again i’m 15 & cheap
A camera used for a wedding day is typically 1500 just for the body, not including a second body and lenses which costs hundreds of dollars. You need different lenses for varying focal lengths and angles/widths of the shots.
Editing software is a monthly subscription, about 25-50 a month.
Plus the time of the photographer(s). You are asking someone to be at a strangers wedding for 6-12 hours. This is valuable. This is someone on their feet, not eating, not taking a break hardly, taking photos of you, your family, the venue, getting ready etc. this is a job.
So, someone does a 12 hour wedding day. That’s probably 1500-2000 photos which they then have to go through, at home, on a separate day, and cull through the photos looking for the best ones. Then you have to edit those hundreds of photos you chose, one by one. You need to go in and edit out pimples, maybe a tree, fix the lighting, etc.
You’re asking for at least a weeks worth of work on a person for one wedding, one day. They deserve to have that time paid for. It’s an art and it’s valuable.
I think it honestly depends on where you live. We paid $300 for our to be taken by a very well reviewed professional photographer but they're out on LA so prices are probably very different
Who takes engagement photos? I didn't.... we got 6 years already.
Get wedding photos fine
I truly closed my eyes, participated in the visualization, and then burst out laughing at Devin's whispered "do you care?"
Thankfully I can’t relate as a Brit (engagement photos, pregnancy photos, wedding showers and gender reveals aren’t common)
@T. D As another fellow Brit, it's true. Like proms and baby showers, everything will move over here soon enough.
T. D fuck my life 😂
Gender reveal parties aren’t that common in the USA as thought to be I think. Mostly a certain type of people really do it. It might be more popular nowadays for attention-seeking people lol. They used to be just lumped in as a baby shower activity or some people sent like an announcement card or just did a phone call.
That must be nice...it’s so obnoxious, tbh.
ScorpioRising the events or my comment?
Married 10 yrs. My money was better spent on trips vs fake posed photos, and a large over the top wedding.
But everyone is different. 🤷♀️
“Hot take time, hot take time, hot take time at lunch!” I love The Office reference!
I have been married for 8 years. Most expenditures for a wedding are over priced and a waste of money. Invest in a home and premarital counseling.
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There is this weird myth that everything for a wedding has to be expensive. You know you don't have to spend a lot of money to have a nice wedding right? People just choose to do that.
Lol I love that. I agree, don’t start your marriage in debt.. or you’ll REALLY need that counseling lol.
Girl! I have been married for 12 years and my family basically pressured me into getting engagement photo and they are a SCAM! It was a complete waste of money and time! Thank you for saying it out loud!!! I love you Devin!!!!!!!!!!!
"It has everything to do with you being petty."
amazing
I was so grateful to our wedding photographer. We called him randomly, and had no idea that he is a world-class photographer. Normally, he needs booking 3-4 years in advance... but, miraculously, he was available for our weekend (he was around the 50th photographer we called, and no one was available). We really couldn't afford it, but decided that photos were going to be our splurge, as our friends and family hail from 5 different continents and we were basically never going to get everyone all together again. Well, he gave us a huge discount, gave us an engagement session for free, and he had such a blast at our simple wedding that he ended up staying the whole night, taking pictures, even though he was only paid to be there until 10pm. I suppose that he isn't at the top for nothing, but to this day we are so very grateful for him, and thought that this vid was an awesome place to share the story.
I completely 100% agree with Devin. Go girl❤️
Hi. I’m new to LadyLike and this Hot Take was interesting. I’ve been married to my love since 1995. We’ve been together since 1991. We did engagement photos prior to our wedding. We didn’t have the internet back in 1995. Our picture was placed into the Sunday Engagement section of the newspaper. Engagement photos have been happening long before FB days.
We celebrated our engagement. Yes, the photos were $$$ but well worth it for us to reminisce and cherish that memory.
sym Hi. This is my photo. Thank you for saying I look young. I am 45 years old. I’m Swedish and Mexican. I take care of my skin
To Release is To Resolve To each their own
You don't even look like you were born in 1995... You look great!
Rollwithit Y’all aka Kristina Came here to say this. Thank you. I’ve been married for 17 years. We had engagement pics done as well to post in the local paper. They have been the norm for a very long time. Well before social media or even the internet came along.
I agree with Kristin, Devin sounds petty af.😂
But didn't you take photos at the wedding? It seems redundant, but to each their own
Engagement photos have been around before Facebook, lol. They are made to put in the announcement pages in the newspaper. Maybe that's why millennials don't understand they don't read the engagement/wedding/anniversary announcements in their local newspaper. .
Who wants to waste money on putting your announcement in a dead medium? The thing is now photos aren't used as the announcement usually the engagement is announced and 3 months later photos are done at which point it's old news. If people held the announcement until they got the photos they would be less boring.
I remember them being in the paper and they were just as cheesy. Like unless you live in a wicked small town why would you want to tell everyone who reads the paper about your wedding.
@@lisaromano1188 Exactly! Putting the announcement in the paper looks even more vain. I can forgive doing it on social media as ideally the people who will see it are relationships you chose to cultivate.
It's still a scam for your money. The whole wedding system is a scam. Also..... Why do people think strangers are gonna care when looking through a newspaper
I love getting to see engagement photos and wedding photos. Many of my friends have had absolutely gorgeous shots.
But the expectation that everyone will do them and then have fantastic ones that they share everywhere is frustrating
I feel like people who get this upset at engagement photos have too many “friends” on social media. If you’re truly happy for your friends then they are just happy they are happy regardless of how expensive, cheesy and possibly tacky their photos are. I love seeing my friends post those pictures. I love seeing them happy and commemorate that special moment. It doesn’t even cross my mind if it expensive or not. Lol. Even if their photos were taken by someone less expensive, I have a feeling Devin would have still been bitter about the staged aspect of it all. Just let people liiiiive!
YES 👏YES👏 YES👏!!! Just let people be happy! The pictures are not for you, they are for the couple and their families!
funny considering you literally have a video you uploaded, a whopping 15 views, from your "solo vacation" with shitty iPhone vertical photos on a horizontal basic slide show video... for W H A T? W H O? why go through the trouble or making a video... throw em in an album. that's what dev is talking about. the over-concentration regular people who aren't in the public eye people have with their social media image.
K B, No one forced them to take the pictures. If they’re in debt they shouldn’t have gotten the photos, but if you’re well off financially, go ahead! Why not?
I agree with Devin 100%. Engagement photos just make me want to roll my eyes and drink, also the point of perpetuating everyone has to get married.
I agree also, "normal" weddings are excessive enough as it is, but the whole planning process is pushed to being excessive too. I know people who had professional photos taken of their engagement, the engagement party, the hens night... it's just too extra lol, I don't even want the pre-wedding parties in the first place.
I think one or two photos is ok, but not all the engagement photos. But I also think it's kinda dumb to even have engagement photos. *shrug*
Love this concept! Hope debates become more regular on lady like :)
This wasn't meant to be a debate but since Kristin is in it, it turned into one.
This is super fun and I love it when people can express wildly differing opinions without getting thrown under the bus (or throwing anyone else under there either!). This is actual debate, instead of the name-calling and bashing to which we seem to have become accustomed
Lmao Kristin can't take it! Sorry love but some people just don't want engagement photots, its fine if you want to do it though.
In the video Kristin said that they aren't necessary to get them. If you want to fine and if you dont it's also fine.
@@ailishahuber2450 im literally ageeing with her. I just thought it was funny how they were sticking to their views.
@@namuehollywood904 ahhhhhh. Sorry. I misunderstood. 😅
The sad part is Devin is undervaluing photographers in this hot take. We work very hard and spend tons of money on equipment and editing software to make people feel and look beautiful. It’s an art, and I’m sad to see her take such a cryptic view on photos.
@@jenniferlewis9196 you know , that's true. Photography equipment is not cheap. And all the other expenses you mentioned are not either. My brother and his wife got lucky in their search so it was a little cheaper but they still spent over 1000 dollars for 3 hours for their wedding the photos were beautiful though. I thinks its important artists like yourself are aware of your worth ❤ .
Okay as a photographer, I'm just trying to eat and capture your memories. Also, yes, my engagement photos are apart of my wedding package. And they are essentially announcement photos after the actual Engagement and are typically sent out with the invitation!
brittannie burris Same here, girl. 🙋♀️
Then there's the thank you card and they normally have a picture from the wedding.
It's good to know you want to eat their memories. Lmao that typo had me cackling!
When I got married (1000 years ago lol) an engagement photo was part of our package, and it was a lot of fun. We only got a few prints for us and our parents, and I love it.
I love looking at peoples' pix so however they want to chronicle their life events is all good :)
I mean her opinion is her opinion. Let her have it. An opinion can’t or shouldn’t be considered wrong. If that’s how she feels towards engagement photos then let her feel that way.
watch devin get engaged and take engagement photos😂😂
I 100% agree with Devin on ALL accounts AND I’d like to add on similar sentiments for pregnancy photo shoots. I didn’t do engagement photos and my save the date had no photos on it. I got post card sized paper, printed them on my printer at home, and fancied it up with a floral stamp and some gold ink. Cost me MAYBE 3 cents each without postage. Also, meeting your photographer for lunch after vetting their website is PLENTY of bonding/chemistry assessment for the wedding. Yes. “Just take a picture of what your love actually is.” All our photos post engagement and pre wedding were of things we actually just happened to be doing at the time: photos taken with our own iPhones of us mountain biking, rock climbing, having lunch at a local burger place, etc. not laying on a blanket in the grass with candles and wine.
Love Devin and all the girls of lady like but this reads as very hypocritical. Devin is someone who has done numerous professional photo shoots for Christmas cards, Vacations, and Lingerie. Why throw shade at people who want to have an important moment in their life captured in pictures? You're young, you're in love and you have far greater opportunity to be creative than in the wedding photos themselves. Have at it, if you like! Who cares what anyone else thinks, do what makes you happy! I do agree though that you shouldn't feel pressured to do them. If you can't afford professional ones don't be afraid to ask a creative friend or family member for help as DYI project everything looks great with a instagram filter ; ). Also if you don't want fancy photos or wedding you don't need one. The important thing is the people in your life and if you are engaged you have likely found someone very special. Enjoying time with that person is all that matters.
Umm that’s actually a great point. Touché girl.
As someone who has recently gotten engaged, this has been helpful for thinking about what to expect and consider when I can start wedding planning
I just got engaged & everyone is waiting for engagement pics.. 1000% not doing engagement photos took a few pics of my ring & that's all I needed
PREACHHH ITTT GIRRRLLLLL
Wedding photographer here! Engagement photos are great because it helps the couple get comfortable in front of the camera before the wedding day. Also, many photographers include them in the wedding package for free (like Kristin said) because it's the best way to get to know the couple before you are spending an entire 8+ hour day with them! I do this and my couples are always happy with it, because they know what to expect from the photographer. 10000% with Kristin on this one!
Allie Dearie yeah but if you’re like me and won’t be getting married for 3-4 years.. I’m not finding a wedding photographer right now. I have things I have to focus on in the now. Like grad school. So mine won’t be included because I’ll be years past our engagement before I start planning a wedding. I may start planning in August 2020 when I graduate, i would rather have a lot of time to plan then stress about time.
@To Release is To Resolve haha I wish that were true! Like I said, I include engagement photos for free - it's just as important for me to meet the couple and get to know them before the big day, as it is for them to meet and get to know me. (And trust me, wedding photography is not the career to choose if you want to be rich)
@@MHSMagicLuver Most people's engagement isn't that long though. You are a special case. I think mine were included or were pretty cheap. They were definitely not $900 and they only took like 30 minutes to take.
Maybe Devin is wearing that shirt because she’s spilling the T😜
Nice one 🙌🙌
sekdl♫
As someone who had engagement photos done, I think this is fair. My photographer was someone I knew from high school and she was building her portfolio. She let us have an amazing deal for engagement and wedding pictures, in exchange for us being her first wedding. Before we decided on her, we were looking at other photographers and they were like 5k for just the wedding... I think we should pay everyone for their talents and skills, but damn... the photos were lovely, but not necessary. I’m glad I got lucky with my photographer.
Engagement pictures were so important for my groom too. He is shy and by the end of the engagement pictures he was so relaxed and really enjoyed our photographer. Plus, it’s nice to have more casual pictures to put up besides just wedding photos.
Ugh. Let people have their sentimental photos and leave your friends with their DSLRs alone. These shoots require a lot of editing and a good eye, not EVERYONE with a DSLR is a photographer.
Catherine Fitzsimmons also even if it was my friend taking the photos and they’re good at it, I wouldn’t ask them to do it for free????? Pay people if they do a service for you...
Thank you!!! I have a decent camera and now all my friends keep asking me to take their pics. Woman! I am not your free photographer!!! Lol
Denise S I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 so many people have asked me to take pics for their event for free and every time my answer is no
THANK YOU! Photographer here, It is definitely expensive to run this business and you are going to pay for quality work. Some people find great value in these memories because they aren't just for them, they are for their children and their children. You have to think about future generations- those are the people who are going to find even more value in having those images.
No the secret to great photography is take a lot of photos. That is no great mystery or even skill needed!
Engagement photos have been happening for decades. These photos were usually displayed at weddings, or bridal showers. However, what FB did change was the production of the actual emgagement. People all the sudden have full on hidden professional photographers taking pictures/ video of the actual engagement. That to me is the unnecessary part for sure. 🤷♀️
ashlie beardslee yeeeeees!!! Thank you!!!!
My husband and I did photo booth photos for our Save the Date, added a card w fancy writing printed on paper from our printer a few ribbons and boom, done. Everyone loved them.
This is why Devin is my all time favourite in Ladylike ❤️
Agreed. But I think nearly all wedding hoopla is a scam.
I agree with Devin. Engagement photos are ridiculous and just one more thing people try to get you to spend money on. Its like one more thing people have to 'preform' for social media and the camera.
psyche100 engagement photos are for save the dates, guest books and just nice pictures to have like to hang on the walls of your house a long with wedding photos not everything is done for social media or to get likes on Instagram
Valeria Rivas Nah, the rise of engagement photos started at the advent of social media.
But you don't HAVE to get engagement photos. If you want to, then go for it. But if you don't want to, well that's perfectly fine too. Let people do what they want.
@@squeezie_b8895 Nope, try again. Engagement photos started with wedding announcements in the newspaper.
i love devin’s ring that she’s wearing on her right hand
I agree with both of you. It is a part of a wedding package, and can be a fun moment to stop all the chaos of planning and have some fun. It should be a choice, something you can do if you WANT and shouldn't feel pressured for. Also, people put WAY too much stuff on Facebook and it needs to stop. I am married and took engagement photos, because our mothers wanted them. And we were okay with the idea. I had my friend take our photos and I LOVE them! And my uncle took our wedding photos and that was also great!
girl we watched ya'll take Christmas card photos with your cats. You think i care about that? Its the same concept. You and your cats in unlikely situations for a card the people you sent them to are going to throw away after Christmas is over. I'm not telling you to stop taking Christmas photos with your cat or that its a scam. Engagement photos are along that line. Just like the cat Christmas photos, those photos mean something to the person who had them taken. If you don't like them, don't get them done.
This is the real tea
It doesnt cost them 900 dollars tho
@@utamirizki6976 There's no one price for a photographer though. If you don't wanna spend $900, you can find a cheaper one. But if a couple wants to spend money on their own engagement photos, there's nothing wrong with that. How much they spend is nobody else's business or concern. 🤷♀️
Thank you!!!! Engagement photos are just nice photos for the couple to have
Savannah Serendipity bloop!
I actually agree with Devin 🤷🏽♀️
*Good engagement photo:* Take a selfie with your significant other, with the rings in frame.
I'm married and I fully agree with Devon
My sister and brother-in-law took engagement photos at how in their pjs with their two cats and at a local record shop with their good friend who did photography! It really showed them and I think they just bought her lunch in exchange for the photos 😂
Good idea !!!
Honestly that sounds amazing!!!
Sweet!
I really think devin worded her hot take wrong, she wasn’t necessarily saying that taking engagement photos is a scam, she just thinks spending a lot of money on them is. She just wanted a bigger reaction, which is why she phrased it that way 🤷🏼♀️
My engagement photos were less than $300, the photographer was wonderful. She followed us around for an hour and took candid shots and a couple staged. They came out wonderful and we used them for the Save the Date cards. I truly enjoyed it. Good memories 😊
I really appreciate the time professional photographers take to make your photos (engagement or otherwise) look perfect. I know that I went with engagement photos because I wanted to use them for the invitations. I did use one photo for the "Save the Date", which I sent this through email, and one for our wedding website. The only photos I posted to FB were to announce that we were engaged and these were taken by my sister on her phone at a park. Though some people feel the need to go all out and wake up at ungodly hours of the morning and be stressed out about it, my husband and I decided to go with a simple fall setting in the afternoon dressed in jeans and sweaters and had the natural environment do the rest. I was so happy and the time spent doing them was so amazing and joyful. Many friends and family commented on how lovely the photos were, but that's not the main reason I got them taken, it was a nice bonus :). We still have our invitation on our fridge and I feel so many wonderful emotions whenever I look at the photos and I know that I will for many years to come. I think you should spend your time and money on the memories you want to have and never feel pressured by your loved ones, society, or social media. Be you and make you feel happy.
These are very mild takes
I think the thing that all the girls are overlooking is the photographer's side of it and WHY they are expensive. Photography equipment is EXPENSIVE. A good camera will cost anywhere from $350 to $2000 depending on how many bells and whistles you want. Additional lenses also go for about $200+ a pop. Printers are then super expensive, especially if you want to be able to print large format photos. Most photographers have expensive laptops to edit those photos with and they have to pay for the photo suite on Adobe which is about $20 a month. On top of that, they need to pay monthly to have a website so people can look at their portfolio.
This is why photos are so expensive, you are essentially paying the photographers credit card bill. Some photographers do this full time so they need to actually make a living off of your photos. So yeah, they are really expensive, but you are supporting someone, typically a local person, in your community as if you were buying from a local owned store instead of a national chain.
If you really want to go there, we could start going into why photography equipment is expensive as well and I guarantee you some of that is inflated at some point due to companies wanting better profit margins.
I love ladylike! Their friendship is everything
I can't stand Kristen. She drives me up the wall every time she opens her mouth and thinks she is always right... That's my HOT TAKE!!
This 1000%
Can't stand her too.
Dude I so agree with u I thought I was the only one