You've gotta be kidding me.. Another QUARTER PANEL FAIL!? Followed by an OEM win..
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- 게시일 2019. 01. 14.
- In todays episode the carbon quarter panel isnt gonna work, and I go on the hunt for an OEM one.
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Finish sand to 320 or 400 grit. ? Re-clean with SX103 or SWX350.? Seal with an epoxy primer. Either DPLF Epoxy Primer or DPLV 2.1 VOC Epoxy Primer are excellent choices.? Apply basecoat color and clear. Your welcome
Doesn't forget to mean how "thick" rattle cans primers are.. Filler primers has problems dealing even with 1.8 guns, so I can only imagine how diluted they are to work with a can... one reason they just can't fell and level small pin holes, as composites weaves.. Wasted panel, but this is already in the past now... whatever.
@@MaIagoli i spray 2k filler primer out of a 1.4 harbor freight gun just fine
Man that's normal with carbon parts -- just go over it with a thick layer of 2K filler primer in a spray gun. Then send it down. It might seem as a tedious job but it really isn't. Anyway the OEM part is a better choice indeed ... Keep it up ! ;)
@Marcus V if you're talking about resin. Then that's his fault because he sanded it off with the wrong grit
Marcus V thanks for your reactions. Yes I agree and know what a gelcoat is. It would have provided a perfectly smooth finish. Anyway I have experience with performance carbon parts and sometimes in order to achieve lighter parts of just by accident we had these pinholes there. i don’t really want to discuss the quality of the panel since it was free. But my point was, that it is possible to get rid of those holes and it would not take so much time as Chris thinks.
TheStuntdude12 no, Chris did everything right, it’s a production imperfection.
high quality CF parts are finished with a product called "sun shield", or it is the first layer sprayed into the mold when manufacturing CF parts. I make parts using a vacuum mold, and it's a real pain to get right. The panels obviously was missing this product
Put some evercoat slick sand on it block it out still cheaper then a new quarter
You wernt supposed to sand the resin with anything lower then 800 grit dry. 800 to 1000 wet then use bulldog adhesion spray before primer.
He should have used Skillshare to learn this important lesson before starting 😅
Johnny Nimble best comment I’ve ever seen😂
could you use a gel coat to go over it if you screwed up?
Yeah I tried to tell him last episode . Pinholes , just painted a funny car and we got pin holes like this😔 had 40 hours fixing it. Just skim it w a mud
@@karsoncox4403 This is what i was thinking, just skin the whole thing and then do the 1000 grit
The title of this video should have been:
“How to ruin a carbon fiber quarter panel... with alcohol”
Not sure what he wiped it down with I was afraid it ate some of the top layer off as well
Don’t blame the carbon fiber for your inexperience man. I paint for a living. Even body filler has pinholes. You have to use the correct materials and process for things to work correctly and do their job. I love the effort. But you shouldn’t put absolutely anything out of a rattle can on this car. It’s shit. All of it.
Chris from the future hasn't aged that well! ;)
It's because of the NUKES...
Im too highg fir this
I guess that Chris from the future was kinda drunk... lol
Rattle can primer!! U need a high fill 2k even if it wasn't all pin holed up. But I think your right with the it was made to stay non painted.
Firstname Lastname is allowed yup, crap I’ve seen some highbuild primers damn near cover 40 grit!
thats the SEM high fill primer, its good stuff, has worked very well for me over a long period, and i was throwing that down first before my 2K primer to help with the fill.
@@BisforBuild im sorry but that is not good stuff at all , anything in a can is crap, you really needed some high build 2k primer that would have filled everything , then flatting down , would have taken me about an hour and a half to rub that panel down after the primer
Seeing can primer being used just made me cringe after going to school for autocollison and painting.
I have painted many things made of carbon fiber, and I have found that when you sand it with 320 like as if it were fiberglass, works well. When I paint I sand the resin down almost to where the weave starts and then clear over top, sand again with 800 then primer. No fisheying after that🤷♂️. Kinda dumb to give up on something just because it’s not working right the first time, with a bit of effort, that carbon could have been painted flawlessly
Man, that's not cool to blame the guys from Europe who came up with that quarter panel (for free incl. shipping I guess). I'm just asking myself if it' the same guy who built that amazing Datsun and is now trying to prime a carbon fibre part with a fu++in can....
B is for Build next build... a fuel effiecent parts vehicle lol.
really love the length of this vlog i truly appreciate your up loads keep it coming
Really happy you got a real OEM panel for this car. Now if you would just get that $85 part off eBay for the inner structure you can make it all OEM.
Ingress Wizard Hey but that would be doing something the proper way. That is not what this channel is about 😂
Then he couldn't be "B is for Bodgy" urban dictionary for the Americans - bodgy
1. Of poor quality.
2. To fix something work without the appropriate tools, training, or respect for occupational health and safety.
i actually bought that panel off ebay to make people shut up about it all, but the guys being super slow with shipping.. i dont think im going to let it hold up the build over a wheel well
B is for Build It’s all good man. Still enjoy all the builds you do.
@@BisforBuild Chris, you shouldnt have bought it to make people shut up, you should buy it to perfect your work and be proud of what your building.
You should try some composite pinhole filler. You can wipe it on with a rag and wipe it off with a rag once it dries. It's made for fiberglass and other composite panels. I've used it on aircraft and it's much easier than sanding high build primer or glazing putty.
Thanks for an actual quality comment from someone thats obviously done it before, i didnt know this stuff existed.
@@BisforBuild No problem man. This place is full of armchair experts who have nothing constructive to add. At least your out there building and learning.
I think the solvent base of the primer is reactivating the clear on the carbon fiber, then whickin up the carbon fiber weave. You could sand an area to confirm, then let that be a cautionary tale for others painting carbon fiber. A different solvent base primer and possibly solvent sand it flat. In any case it sounds like you are already worked around.
epoxy primer would work great
high quality CF parts are finished with a product called "sun shield", or it is the first layer sprayed into the mold when manufacturing CF parts. I make parts using a vacuum mold, and it's a real pain to get right. The panels obviously was missing this product
Getting the OEM part was a better choice, should turn the carbon fibre panel into a wall art piece and hang it up in the shop or raffle it off
Richard Poulson yikes, little angry today aren’t we?
Richard Poulson funny part is you are here every video leaving multiple comments on his “shitty work” lol keep supporting the channel dude.
Awesome work man. Recent subscriber and I admire your skill and attitude towards learning new skills!
Haha that beginning was hilarious!
Perhaps our guy will get a few more wheel well parts and do this repair correctly. Even if it takes another $ 1,000 to do a good repair, that is better than losing $ 10,000 + in resale value. And yes, even though the wheel wells are going to be cut for flares, having OE metal to attach to / fold over is much better than random flat steel.
...Forget resale, think about the poor schmuck that inherits this car down the track. Then he finds the previous video on KRplus and has a heart attack.
A quick walk around would reveal the hacks performed on this car. It is always the buyers responsibility to make sure the item they are buying is good.
Naturally it's the buyers responsibility. Presumably once the plastic fender lines are re-fitted, it may be more challenging to discover the botched fender well?
Of course there are a lot of other tell-tale signs...
Bro your videos makes my days after a hard stressful day at work 🤣😂🔥 keep up the good work
Love all the KRplus channels that actually show repair work getting done on cars. That's nearly 20 minutes I'll never get back PEACE
Great attitude about unfortunate situations as usual!!
Can you pls do a car update on all your cars
Spoiler alert all of them are full of leaves
I would do everything for Chris to see this
Haha, everything
Here ya go! but now that ive taken the time you need to copy paste this to the next person who asks
2JZ BRZ - Works great, drive it once and a while.
68 Camaro - Sitting for a few years, waiting on a good idea for a build.
Otis Mercedes - In storage since last rally, gonna cruise it this summer.
FJ Cruiser - Daily it all the time, has dried sap stains on it that look like jizz
Evora - Just drove it to disneyland in December, working fantastic except needs new tires
Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Still great, no issues, drive it around once and awhile
M5 - Chelsea is using daily, heater is acting up and still scuffed AF from the wrecks this summer.
240Z - Still runs and drives, tested a few days ago, in storage for winter.
Vette Kart - Haven't driven since last rally, in storage now, planning upgrades for it this summer.
370z - Working great, i use it pretty frequently, have parts for it but waiting for the right time to install.
Rx7 - sold because i didnt like RHD
TT Mustang - sold in 2017 to buy the shop
Plan B BRZ - sold in 2017 to buy the shop
B is for Build thank you so much
Really enjoying your build and style. Looking forward to binge watching the other builds.
I'm glad your going to use a metal quarter and all the extra stuff right. One other thing there is a product made by interlux boat products that is a pin hole filler that you can spray or roll on. I've used it on old gellcoat, ployester, vinyl ester and epoxy as a primer base with excellent results.
dude, i can refinish that no problem. rattle can isnt going to do that. you should get a hold of me. im local.
@@richpolecat6527 ...rude. The dude is working hard to bring content and fix some pretty awesome cars. ...why you gotta be a jerk? what are YOU doing for others to help the community?
Why the hatred???
@@richpolecat6527 sounds like in those 3 decades you have both turned bitter and inflated your ego. ive been a mechanic for over 2 decades and also actually helped thousands fix thier vehicles. ...doesnt mean i have to be a douchebag on this guys channel. in all your years of working on cars did know one teach you how to be respectful? ...i wouldnt let you touch my tools or vehicle either.
you could make the liquor channel and call it b is for booze
I'm not a fan of the vehicle you build, i like my older 4x4s, but you do an amazing job of explaining and showing your progress... especially your mistakes. Props to you man!!! I watch every video!!!!
Showing love on both my channels! Keep up the good work man!!
LIQUOR REVIEW 👏 👏
LIQUOR 👏 REVIEW 👏 how it shouldve been
When nothing goes as planned, you know you have a great project car!
Not u again u comment on all automotive youtubers
Or you need to do better research and planning. I'd say when nothing goes as planned you've got a pain in the ass project car you can only blame yourself for lol
Can confirm 100%.. JDM Nissan V35 (G35) Sedan 6MT swap completed booked for inspection 2 hours ago. Moved cars around lastnight and the headlight goes out. Awesome project car I have here lol
Again ? 😂🤷🏽♂️
Max..You got that shit right. For sure.
Cheers for the footage of crossing from Oregon into CA. Always wondered what that drive looked like.
Your content is brilliant. I usually hit the like button before the video even finishes buffering.
Honestly Im really glad you got an oem rear quarter . Carbon Fibre wasn’t ideal . .
chris, you should really buy a crashed diesel shop truck with low miles and rebuild it, that would be awesome and would getter way better mpgs than the FJ and be able to haul way more. also i'm pretty sure diesel is still cheaper than gasoline in oregon hahaha.
Hell even just a half ton pickup with a tonneau cover or fiber glass cap would get better than 13mpg lol
Haha that's what I'm sayin 😂 he never has enough room for parts lol just get a truck or a sprinter van or something ?!
@@infinitelovefamily7562 right! lol I tried telling him in the comments several times, he's a pretty smart guy so u would think he woulda thought about that already.
Before anything thank you sir for keeping your audio levels equal for the intro and the video. It may seem small to some but your the only one capable of doing it. Your a king among men. Once again, thanks.
What is the song being played during the bit where you're getting into the hotel room?
650 miles...man I would have just used filler primer and the carbon fiber b is for build idea was cool.
and $800 plus gas.
what do you think i used?
@@BisforBuild regular primer or epoxy...you didnt say exactly, then said you could of used a filler 2x. That's why everyone thought you didn't.
@@BisforBuild I'm not knocking you but for the price, gas, and distance in would have just did the hand work
shouldn't you use "filler primer" for this ?
5:05. He explains
And he suggests just throwing another layer of resin over it you NEVER leave raw carbon and resin exposed to the elements without a layer of atleast clear or uv protection
high quality CF parts are finished with a product called "sun shield", or it is the first layer sprayed into the mold when manufacturing CF parts. I make parts using a vacuum mold, and it's a real pain to get right. The panels obviously was missing this product
I was scratching myself from the abstinence of watching your videos...wish you had a whole team to edit your stuff and upload it. These are so great omg.
I build carbon parts as part of my business. Any time you want to paint, or clear a carbon fiber part you should start with a very thorough cleaning with quality wax and grease remover then scuff with your prep grit then W&G remover again. Then your first coat should be applied very wet where it will look like you are painting a screen door. While it's still very wet, take a rubber squeege and work that coat into the pores of the material. Once it cures, sand and repeat until you get to a smooth base to paint over with normal quality practices. It's a huge pain. If you want to clear one it's the same process except you use a clear meant for carbon fiber like Duratec Sunshield which is a heavy filling and UV protecting product.
his incompetence annoys me. poor carbon parts..
@13:35 you say u would be the happiest youtuber in the world if u could do liquor-reviews all day... I would be the happiest person in the world if i could spend my days amywhere near the way u do... I would love to repair cars and modify them and do videos about it that millions watch... I would love to make people happy like u do! I love ur channel! Been here since the first video... Wont leave anytime soon! Stay awesome Chris!
quick trick when spraying carbon fiber. Its a three step spraying technique right angle, left angle, and then direct allowing it to tack up in between stages. hope this technique helps in the future.
Beautiful driving shots!
I've been restoring and moding for 30 + years and I would recommend skimming the quarter panel with a light weight body filler and then block sand. That will fill any imperfections in the carbon fiber.
yeah that woulda worked
Part where this video is something close to ,,origins" of BIFB
0:00 - 0:42 Intro
0:43 - 2:08 - sponsorship/advertisment
2:09 - 3:39 - BIFB, proper BIFB, doing something related to ,,car". That's precisely 1min 30sec
3:40 - 6:39 - whining about how the quarter panel is bad, not that Chris messed up, not at all... No sanding etc.
6:40 - 9:34 - roadtrip
9:35 - 12:24 - process of buying and loading OEM quarter panel, MAYBE it is
something closely related to old time BIFB, so OK, another 2min 49sec of
proper ,,show"
12:25 - 20:41 - hotel fun, drinking drinks
20:42 - 20:55 - outro.
So, in 20min 55sec video we get 4min and 19sec of B is For Build content. For comparison we get over 1min for promoting some kind of sponsor, which isn"t even available outside America.
I'm not going to dislike this video, but I;m not going to give it thumbs up either.
Cheers, and I hope you return to old king of grinding, welding etc. stuff.
cry much?
You're boring.
You just need to spray the panel with a couple of coats of polyester spray filler and maybe a little skim of dolphin glaze in the big holes it's a 2hr fix tops! Plus a proper 2k high build primer thro a proper spray gun with a bigger tip (1.8) will help not a rattle can!
love the liquor review please do more of those
somebody gave u that carbon fiber panel for free now it goes into garbage bin
My thoughts exactly. What a waste of a nice panel and a kick in the teeth for the company that overnight shipped it to him.
Should have used the panel as it was, and at very least wrapped the rear quarter panal on the other side of the car.
Never cllicked off Adam LZ so fast
You had 52min to watch that video
TASHIC MAHARAJ i did the same thing!
Fr 👌
Same. Even tho I want that R33 super bad
He's become such a turd since his wife left him
I love this channel! Can’t wait to see the finished product
Best vid of yours I've watched so far. Laughing out loud at the liquor tasting
I enjoy watching money inevitably getting wasted due to ineptitude, keep up the good work.
He got the carbon panel for free, so it wasn't really money wasted.
It is still money wasted, just may not be his
Use a high build primmer and feather light bondo and time
I work on carbon fiber airplane parts that we paint with auto paint.
1: Sand with 120
2:Thin coat of FeatherFill
3:Sand with 120
4:Spot fill with Bondo
5:Sand Bondo
6:Spray high fill primer
7:Wet sand
8:Spot fill pin holes with glazing putty
9:Wet sand glazing putty
10:Spray 2nd coat of primer
11:Glazing putty
12:Wet sand
13:Spray final color, 2 coats
14:Wet sand runs and scotch brite surface
15:Spray clear
16:Buff as needed
Or for fast and dirty use single stage and skip 10,11,12,14,15. Just don't run the paint.
I've seen it take out birds at 200+ and just leave a dent in the core.
Chris- I just drove from Tampa, Fla to Cleveland, OH this past Sunday thru Monday. 1225 miles! I wish I could have fast forwarded it! Thanks for the booze info.
if you dont know how to paint correctly, then go to ur closest painting company and ask for advice. stupid to get a free panel from a company then go and get another.
Call it B is for Booze!
Love your videos keep them coming I just had surgery today and on leave for 3 weeks
That intro with you interrupting it saying it wasnt going to happen, is literally me in class when i pick a research proposal and i submit the final paper! LOL
You can wrap this pannel white
You could wrap the whole car
He can wrap the whole car at the exact color
My first thoughts. Like just wrap the whole car . Maybe the carbon fibre lines would show through the wrap ? Idk
JayDkid I think he meant the oem part but I feel like he will end up painting it
You would still see the carbon in the door jam where the catch goes.
Do the liquor channel! Me personally I would love it.... Say yeah peeps!!!!!🔥
I don't even drink...but I def would watch that ...
I had those pinholes a year ago when building a formula steering wheel out of carbon. The solution was to cover it all up with adhesive and then sand it. It looked crazy but it worked eventually and the adhesive filled all the holes! Might be a bit difficult in your case though...
Spray Poly is what you were thinking of for hail. Honestly though, you can use it for fixing minor stuff on panels like door dings and deep scratches. Plus a bonus is that it doesn't shrink like body filler can.
20mins and no ads, that's what I call a treat!!!
Well you have got ads so......
Adblocker. i love it.
@@vespa8793 Power to the people!!
@@paulloper8333 Yeah for sure but it's more of a promotional offer and quite relevant unlike some terrible Chinese utensil from wish...
If you don't watch with ads he gets less money from the videos your basically hurting his channel 😢 as with out the ads no money no money no builds
Who else is against wide body on R35?
Agreed. Leave it stock dammit.
love this channel so chill good work pal :D
Chris is awesome. This video was entertaining as shit! Awesome review too btw. I had a couple of those buzzballz in Lemonade on a flight from Philly to Vegas and I got pretty lit up; I was very surprised. Keep up the awesome work man.
B is 4 not high BUILD primer!
Please do more vlog stuff, your personality is so entertaining
evercoat slick sand primer, you will need a 2mm tip on your spray gun. Its basically primer bondo, lays thick and easy to cut.
Really enjoying these videos, props for driving 650 miles to provide content! Keep up the great work and liqour review was 👍🏼
Thank good, now do the wheel arch properly!
Using that cheap ass primer and expecting good results is like trying to bake an apple pie and using oranges instead. I know you are trying to do things on the cheap but you should have just used the proper stuff, it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than a roadtrip in a gas guzzler, motel, cost of new parts, time. Too aggravating to watch.
Exactly he just wasted money
Could have tried the mar-Hyde high build filler primer. It would have took care of all pin holes probably. You got a steal on the new panel though👍👍
Stolichnaya Vodka (the normal version) is really nice. Smoooooth! 👍
I feel Ketel one is better.
hey, sniffles, don't loose your finger! go get some antibiotics
It's not drinking alone if you're making a video.
Love this channel and love the liqueur review!!
These vids are great mate. Legend! Kiwi from New Zealand.
“Candy flavored cigarettes” you mean vapes? Lol
You used to be able to buy candy/gum that were packaged LIKE cigarettes, down to the box for them. Similar to how "Big League Chew" was modeled after chewing tobacco, etc..
I've smoked candy flavor ciggs, you all are too young to know
@@ThomasWilliams-zo7ke Flavored cigarettes were banned around 2010 in the US, and other than cloves, no one smoked bubblegum Marlboros. If 9 years going by makes you think people are "too young", you're too young :)
@@RealCapricousCavy probably older than you brother, I smoked cinnamon ciggs and chocolate ciggs, but never liked either but had to try em out
thomas williams we get it bud, you’re an old dude sizing up in the comment section
Hi people
Oi
Officially my favorite KRplus channel!!
i really like this video, i mean, this unpredictable roadtrip and liquor reviews with the build of the car is refreshing
the only thing thats missing is the weed
i drove through weed twice! ( californian joke :p )
@@BisforBuild haha point taken Sir....
B is for blunt. ☺
Fail should have kept it raw and done both sides
@@TheGuruStud How is that rice, Proformance parts on a Proformance car? RICE stands for Race inspired cosmetic enhancements.
@@fiisho I think that acronym came after the term rice. I'm pretty sure rice is just a dig at a car being Asian. And also it's pretty rice, it won't make the car faster, and for all intents and purposes Chris is leaving this car stock.
That miles per gallon would bankrupt you over here.😂 Love the channel, finally worked my way through the entire 240z and caught up!
Off topic but I was just wondering what software you used to design the chassis of your Datsun. Thanks!
Welcome to a poorly made carbon part. It's just air bubbles that were trapped in the laminate. It could be because of several reasons. Improperly stirred pot of resin that wasn't degassed before infusion, a vac leak that introduced air into the part, etc. There are products by hawlkeye industries that fix stuff like this.
@@lb-innovations5457 Sorry man but I completely disagree. I have many years of composite manufacturing experience and own a company called F6 Carbon Fiber. You can see my work if you look me up on facebook. While I do agree the panel doesn't seem to be prepped properly from what we get to see. Sanding the panel down to the point of removing those air voide will get you into the actual carbon cloth. This will actually cause more texture problems. This is 100% air trapped in the laminate between the first layer of cloth and the mold. If it were fish eyes, they would all be perfectly round. Look closely, some of them have square edges. This is an air bubble trapped at the cross hatches of the carbon weave. There are a dozen reasons this could happen. Everything from improper resin mixing technique, bad layup practices, too fast of an infusion, pinhole in the bag, leak at a pleat, leak at the gum tape, infusion bucket got too low and the inlet tube hit open air and sucked some in, etc. This is easily fixed several way. 1, don't let it happen to begin with by using proper techniques or an in mold clear coat. 2, use the hawkeye industries product I mentioned in my first post. Spray it on and work it in with a yellow bondo spreader and sand flat. Then proceed as usual.
There are several different ways to do mold release on a part. Wax only, pva only, pva over wax(my personal fav), and a multitude of other chemical based release agents. Each method has it's pros and cons as well as being the prefered choice of each fabricator. 😉
You may be from Oregon, but you sure drive like a Californian. Get out of the left lane unless you're passing. You're a car guy, you should know better.
If no one is behind me i stay in the left.. i duno why but ive always done that, but as long as i get over when someone is behind me it shouldnt matter..
@@BisforBuild I guess that works, but it's still wrong. It's easier to be in the lane you're supposed to be in, than have to babysit your rear view mirror constantly.
In a video where he drove his M5 back to Oregon from Cali he had a timelapse of him camping in the left lane and tons of cars passing him on the right. Hard facepalm when I saw that
@@VKEdits Sooooooooo, we should all drive at the red-line then like a fucking rocket ship?
Lol, I always use the left lane because I'm going fast. Hardly anyone passes me cause I'm the one passing them. I use the left lane and the HOV lane a lot. By the way, I drive alone 99% of the time. Gtfoh with your "road rules" drive how you want when you want.
Can't wait to see it all done 🤘
I know it seems like extra work but you need to use 2 stage primer- urethane is the best --spray extra heavy with a 1.7 tipped gun - it has a catalyst so it dries thoroughly and can be sanded within 3 hours , the great thing about urethane primer is that you dont have to use a primer sealer after.
U should have wrapped the whole car 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
S Jay wrapped
Can't just go around raping cars man c`mon
LOL
Would have made for a great video, just free styling around some rides...
DAFUCK .???!!
He needs to change his name to B IS FOR BODGE 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Really enjoy watching the build. Sucks the carbon fiber panel didn’t work out, but glad you got such a great deal on that new factory panel.
My wife and I moved from Yreka about a year ago. Preferred All Star Liquor just as you get into California from Oregon. Large selection. They walk the alcohol to your car for you. (I think they do that to keep you from handing it off to minors)
Proof in point why a true automotive channel is more than just turning a wrench. Any decent TV show would have to manufacture this to keep its audience entertained and yet it comes naturally to any good build. Great work as always and love my Z wrap B is for Build decals!
Huge fan brother, keep it up!
Hi From Florida!
Evercoat makes a product called Slick Sand. It is what I would call a sprayable body filler.
It uses liquid hardener like fiberglass. Sands back down super smooth and easy.
Your can primer isnt for filling , if u would use a high solid filler and in 3-4 coats and then sand it smooth u could easily get a nice and oem looking finish. I dont know how car painters work in the u.s. but in germany its common practice to use high solid fillers under the base coat :) maybe u can try it out and save the panel
The auto captions said "hey everyone welcome back to another episode of beers for villan" lol