Building Our First Carbon Fiber Part for the Huracan
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- 게시일 2019. 06. 30.
- In today's episode were experimenting with building a carbon fiber hood.
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if you use the Huracan parts as the mold, you will have a part that is larger than original, but you should use fiberglass to make a mold, then use the carbon fiber inside of that. And it should be bagged and vacuumed.
This
It would be bigger but the whole car would be that much bigger so idk if you would really notice.
I say do heaps of layers an inch thick, make a carbon fibre armoured lambo 😃
@@bigdaddy741098 The ultimate widebody kit
Yep, Thats the the way to go! Its way more work! But its the right way to do it! Also need to make molds from the backside! you need the support structure! Plus use tooling gel coat!
Make a mold, then do carbon fiber infusion. Will save you time on sanding and will look 100x better!
Also you are going to need to make reinforced back panels to keep the part rigid. I believe they glue it on.
@@Ryan-ue9ve maybe sheets of aluminium so strengthen it ?
@@trnews-lb6ev i believe its harder to bond metal to composites, it works but over time can cause cracking. Im no professional. Easy composites has a great tutorial but it looks like a rigorous process. They use fiberglass as the back plate, even my seibon carbon fiber hood uses fiberglass for the underpanel. You could do all carbon fiber though.
@@Ryan-ue9ve you can use an oem inner style reinforcement. Or you can make a smooth inner while using a core material.
@@carlosvargasbatman agreed! Just doing a decent wet layup with vacuum bag would make a good part!
Respect for always willing to try new things and learn in front of a camera.
A negative mold is absolutely mandatory for big pieces like this and will fit so much better. It will also be easier to lay some foam sections to the inside and then "box in" those with overlays of carbon for a much stiffer finished product and even make mounting points to the frame. You really need vacuum bagging and heat, if possible though.
makeing negative molds is the way to go. ad some plywood rids to it so it keeps its shape and the mold itself can be woth alot of money to someone that wishes to get into manafacturing lambo parts
Very true
Storage space for a bunch of moulds could be a problem.
Easy composites, a UK company has great you tube on making a bonnet
need a vacuum for flawless really as well
Dead ways to achieve with some plastic bags and double sided gorilla tape just need a couple of screw fittings and your almost there
I think you should make a mold of the parts first, and then do the Carbon fiber panel from the mold so that it’s an exact copy. You can layer as many carbon fiber cloth pieces as you want.
This is what I thought he was gonna do
It also makes the copied piece bigger
Andrew Ziegler not if he uses a good mold. It should be the exact size.
@@steelavocado1 no Andrew was saying the way the part shown in the video will become bigger if he uses that. But on the other hand, if he creates every single panel using the same method, it should fit since every parts are equally bigger.
thought the same, this will make a negative copy.
Hey Chris, I’m an aerodynamics/composites lead for a FSAE team majority being engineering students, where we manufacture full carbon fiber bodies every year for our one off small scale formula 1 race cars. I have tried this wet layup method and it can become difficult to get the glass like finish. The majority of teams use fiber glass negative molds to achieve the complex geometry our race car can have.
I would love to give some advice or if you have any questions just dm me! Also check out FSAE teams its equivalent to a d1 league for automotive engineers and as engineers we design by ourselves, build by ourselves (if possible) and compete internationally!
Definitely go down the mold making route. If done right you can just keep popping out parts and if you make the inner of the mold super smooth and shiny (much like how the underside of the carbon hood is) that'll show on the top coat of the carbon part.
Plus with the molds you can sell them when you're done, someone will buy those molds without a doubt
The way to do it is:
1. Create a fiberglass mold of the item you want to create a carbon fiber you want to get
2. Wait for it to cure
3. Lay the carbon fiber INSIDE of the fiberglass mold so the original sizes are preserved
4. Cut it while the carbon fiber is still "flexible" to avoid cracking
5. Also, this is the time to make any necessary steps to prepare mounting mechanisms (lifters for the hood for example)
I love the "learn by doing" attitude of this channel. Some failures, but a lot of success.
You should definitely go with a mold. By laying the carbon on top of your panels you are making all of the new parts slightly larger. This will ruin all of your gaps.
It'll also make all the panel lines just a little bit softer, giving the entire car a subtly sloppier/cheaper look.
I appreciate that you guys didn’t bail on the panel at the first sign of problems so us viewers could learn with you! Great Video !!!!!
Do the mold method!
I think you should make a mold, it seems to be the most effective way of producing carbon parts and you can always make more later !
I’m no pro but I have seen some people do this kind of stuff, that being said why not make a mold out of just regular glass that’s a strong sturdy start and then start making panels via mold
This.
Or you just read the 1,000 other comments that said the same thing
Keep making the hood till you get it right! Not boring to see a learning curve and progress. That’s why your channel is growing so fast. Great work!
Been subscribed since the first episode on this channel with the BRZ and watched every single video since you’ve come a long way Chris and i love all your content and am looking forward to many years of B is for Build!
Stop trying to skip steps, just make a mold and get a vaccum bag
B is for Build: "The only purpose why the green lambo exists is for the other lambo"
Green lambo: "Am I a joke to you?"
No longer green lambo, now...... gimp lambo
This is so funny =D
i dont mean in a negative way but i enjoy seeing different barriers along the builds. i love how u r not afraid to show and admit total failure while other guys they just show you step 1, step 2, annnnnd done. cant wait to see the next episode!!!
Street banditos are awesome, so much knowledge when it comes to composites
Sorry Chris, but you need to do more research on panel making from composites, you are wasting so much material. Gel Coat molds with fiberglass and bracing so they don’t go it of shape and make Carbon Fibre panels from them. How are these panels going to mount?
two negative moulds for the bonnet inside and out single for the others then you can try different techniques to get the best results without having to risk the original panels multiple times
This build series is lighted 👌
Subtitles on KRplus thought you said “welcome back to another episode of beers for building”
What I want to see you guys make next is... a trip to a place that makes a lot of carbon fiber parts so that you know what you are doing in the next video.
It's weak because fibers are layed in only one direction. The optimal way to do it (to have about the same strengh in every direction) would be with at least 5 layers of fibers with the following orientions:
0°/90° (1st layer),
45°/-45° (2nd layer),
0°/90° (mid layer),
45°/-45° (2nd layer mirrored),
0°/90° (1st layer mirrored).
You probably have made a few panels when you're seing this, but it's just a tip! Maybe it would be too thick for what you're doing but that's what I learned during my studies in aeronautical structures. Anyway, it's nice to see that you are not scared of playing with carbon fibers ^^
Thank you so much for sharing this! Please redo this piece, I am very interested to see the learning processes, successes and mistakes. I have a Z32 project atm and you've inspired me to try some of this for myself. I can take what you're learning and apply it for myself. Thanks again, look forward to the next episode.
Kudos to you for trying to expand your knowledge and stretch your abilities. It will be interesting to see if you make the deadline with making all your own panels, esp. if you have to make molds for each one. Good luck!
A custom carbon body Lambo for SEMA kinda needs to have molds made. Especially when you are following the v10 240Z.
I see green specks in the carbon. Does this mean you are ruining the new paint job on the Huracan?
I would have waited to paint the green lambo till after they used it to make the new body parts.
Why do u think he needed a sponsor for this episode?
MIKEYMCC I think it's the green specs from the film thingy he sprayed after waxing
Paint is very thin, then there is a thick layer of clear coat over the top of that. There is no chance of him pulling off paint from the paints because hed have to go through the clear coat first, and that would he extremely noticable.
@@towboatjeff right? why take apart a freshly painted, perfect lambo. dude is a hack.
Awesome work man. I love that you're raw and honest about the trials and errors that come with new techniques. Also, love that you're doing something totally unique rather than just importing a GTR like other KRplusrs!
Fibreglass mold + Carbon vacuum Infusion. That is the way to go for all the parts on your car.
Yes! This is what I’m looking forward to seeing the most with this build! Can’t wait to sit down and watch.
I don't why I didn't start watching you before. Your videos are exactly what I like to do. I've heard of you from tj hunt and the Texas speed video. Now I gotta binge watch your whole channel
This build is gonna look so dope af!!
I really enjoyed the episode, learning and experimenting is the way to go!
Waiting for the "we decided to have someone else do the carbon fiber parts for us" lol
Suggestion: Talk to the Plastics/Composites Manufacturing Technology at Cerritos College, people can get a degree there in composites/plastics. Part of that is teaching mold making. BTW, these are the guys that taught Lockeed how to build the F22.
I'm so excited for this build I can't stand it. I remember when you were still repping 100k subs working at a tech company and now you're about to hit 1M. So cool.
B is for Balls of carbon fiber. Respect for leaving your comfort zone and doing something difficult and with little knowlegde. Hope you read the comments and decide what's best for the project. Easycomposites has tons of tutorials and materials
Question: why didn’t you choose to repaint the green Lamborghini after the carbon fiber experimentation?
Most likely because a perfectly smooth, blocked, and painted surface is ideal for taking the mold. For example I have a Mitsubishi Starion and the one company that made the molds for aftermarket hoods did it on a hood with a slight dent in it, and so every single aftermarket hood has a slight dent in it.
I assume it's because he wanted the body to be in perfect shape,so that the carbon moldings are exact
yes i suggest making a mold for each part, here a company always even for one piece makes a mold.
This is the kind of content I look forward to.. DIY , mistakes along the way but moving on. Love it guys. Very different approach compared to other youtubers
You guys should be really proud of you all accomplished
Hard to believe the body shop gapped all those panels and your taking the panels back off
Eh, you can always gap it together again, gotta do what you gotta do to get the project done
Was thinking exactly this as they had trouble hanging the door and Um going to be intrested to see how they will mould the doors and hinge areas
@@PBJPRODUCTIONSTUDIOS pretty sure he is using production doors
I no man I would have got it painted after this not before! Just think if he accidentally gets some of that resin stuck to that nice paint job but I guess he's got a plan!
@Lingy but wouldn't you have done that before a nice paint job? I mean he had the same car before just not a nice paint job
The take a mold first with fiberglass or ‘expanding foam’
I've done overlays on part with cardon fiber and wet sanding help alot with a spray bottle
i think that is dope for a first try i am loving this Build man
Try to get in touch with Tony from Tigercraft performance skis in NJ. He does fantastic work with carbon fiber. He might be able to give you some tips on mold making and glass laying. New method that is being used with a lot of carbon n reg glass is the vacuum bagging. It gets all the air out and makes it stronger with less layers turning into lighter/stronger product.
Awesome stuff so far. Doing an awesome job.
"we can just make the car 3 mm wider. It's not a big deal" :;:;:When I'm being trolled and fall for it.
Almost a million subs, and for good reason. Definitely one of the best automotive channels on KRplus. Congrats and thank you for the great content.
Tell us the good reason. Nothing in this build series merits more than 10 subs, IMO. I'm watching it for the consistent idiocy.
@@vidznstuff1 I recommend Prozac for this type of behavior. Good luck being unhappy!!
From what I've seen of carbon fiber body components being made they do it in the mold and they also vacuumed it to suck out all the air and Infuse the resin into all the layers and they lay out all the carbon first and then basically pump the resin into the mold
Moulds are the better option to me, make them from f/glass, finish the inside and lay in your carbon - outer panel size is close to the pattern and the finish surface is good.
Hey if you need help i do this for a living and live local.
Trail's End you all know B is way too arrogant a person to ask for help, his comments have more info than he gave during the waste of 20 minutes we just watched. You shouldn’t be teaching bad techniques and giving terrible info. “80 grit cuz someone told ya it was ok” 😂
Mike Roch yeah at the very most I’d use like 220 and spend the time to make it perfect instead of going full savage using 80 grit lmao. I’ve done most of my interior this way
@@mikeroch2680 I am usually one to post these type of comments, so I understand your angle here, but I don't think he said this was a tutorial lmao. He even states he's experimenting. Some people like to learn to do things the hard/expensive way like he's doing. Just take it as entertainment
@@ASHEHADEH2Yeah, I was thinking that. He has tried it all for the first time and sanded and clearcoated it to see how it would look and only wasted one sheet of carbon fiber. Not a bad experiment to get some experience. I mean he is trying to make a panel for a Lambo.
@armorall. Thanks for helping here with us amazing builder. I think you should use the smoke eliminator in the burnitcan
Love this. Love the Learning! Keep on BBBBBBuilding!!!!!!
You have to make a fiber glass mold, then put 2-4 layers of carbon fiber. Do NOT sand it, not with 120p, if you have to sand use at least 600p and be careful to not sand the carbon fiber, only the resin.
You can sand carbon fibre.
@@andrew19682008 you dont want to sand to the fiber, specially if you are going for cosmetic carbon - i.e. not painting it just clearing. Yes if you are just making a structural panel that has enough laminate you can sand a high spot through the first layer or 2 and not care, but you are going to need to paint it otherwise it will look terrible
I paint carbon for a living, parts for aston martin, porsche, Mercedes etc, we sand with 180grit and then scotch, that's where he went wrong, the scotch would have removed all the milky ness. Also we cure all off our parts for 8 hours at 150° so 2 days air dry is no where near enough.
@@andrewbatson9710 you sand cf before clearing. You want the clear to stick...if its a smooth surface it'll have a hard time sticking to the part. It may look rough after being sanded but the cc fills all the voids and smooths the part back out. A part will look better sanded then not also...and last longer.
since u havent gotten really good at working with carbon fiber u should do the trunk or the hood again since those are probably the smallest and easiest parts to do
I love street bandito. such an underrated channel
Just a basic method --
1. 3-4 coats of wax...
2. 2-3 coats of pva, and a regular paint sprayer is definitely not recommended...
3. use something like plastic sheets, corrugated sign board for example, and using hot glue over masking tape so the glue doesn't remain on the actual part you are duplicating, cut and glue them on the underside edges all the way around, using a release tape to cover all the seams...
4. use a putty type wax around the edge, all the way around the piece...
5. gelcoat prior to resin...
6. resin and fiberglass and get your first half of a mold...
7. do not remove the part from the mold when the resin is cured, but instead leave it in place to create the underside mold in similar manner after removing the plastic edging .....
Highly recommend the following video series for better info...
Part 1 of 3 of a company in the UK that provides most all you need to make carbon or glass parts, but the 3 videos go through a very simple mold and part making process: krplus.net/bidio/hcuDqHSpY3yaYXY
You got to make a mold for every part first the hood needs a front and back mold you make a front and back carbon fibre pieces then bond them together to give the hood it's strength only way to do it
BTW, that PVA spray is basically school glue. We use it for 3D printing as well as an adhesive/release coating on our build surface.
I'm glad you're talking with Street Bandito! Those guys are unbelievable
I'm sure the boys at street bandito can probably come over and give you some help with these carbon parts ;)
So did that resin actually just peel green paint off of your hood?
No
He didn't put the resin directly on the hood, there's a cellophane layer on it.
@@HMan2828 Right but when he flips over the carbon fiber piece you can see little bits of green on the edges which leads me to believe it still pulled paint.
Crisp there’s clear coat and if it went through clear your would be noticeable
I totally dig the fact that hes super honest about going to youtube for tutorials. I do the same everytime I have questions about how to do something mechanically. I call it KRplus university. And he drops a plug to the channels. Bad ass 🤘🤘🇺🇸🇺🇸
The carbon looks great on the green🤩
The times we live in.... where something that used to be cost-preventative for racing teams is within the grasp of a moderately-to-highly-talented YouTouber. Amazing
@@melissahill7930 I would like to just see the interior of his cars vacuumed first.
Melissa Hill okay Melissa and what’s your talent other than being a bitch on KRplus?
Melissa Hill look back at any of his builds. The BMW V10 in a Datsun 240 might be a good start
Melissa Hill 😂😂😂
I love the concept of a full carbon lambo but since the green one is a convertible how will you do the quarter panels ?
My thought exactly. Is the engine lid different too, in order to accommodate the folding top?
Jordan Latta they are not the same but I think the rear bumper is the same on both models
MickaelWinner 24 I also thought about it
do another hood get practice in! your doing awesome cant wait to see how this all turns out!
BIG like for you asking street banditos! was really hoping you would contakt them about making the Carbon parts! you should ship them out and let them help with the really difficult parts!
Mold the hood and not do the over lay method. THat way you dont have all that extra materail from the original hood under there.
Lay in so spars in the mold to add rigidity with almost no extra weight.
Kriss is the type of guy who spend $15k on a paint job and then uses the parts to pull molds from 😂😂😂
Easy composites Ltd .
Best Vids on KRplus for this kind of work.
used the fresh x smoke product worked fairly well
you could try to do the same thing with maybe 2 layers of fibreglass (to save money) then make some sort of wall around it then spray a lot of expanding foam to make it rigid and voila you might have a mould.
Make a clamshell fiberglass mold, it's actually so easy
Pva over wax omg 100 percent awsome for learing guys i love this channel thankyou so much your not scared of trying anything. Love it.
looking so good man
Already know Imma love this video goddamn, all these builds are amazing, been watching since Plan B BRZ
You could always use fiberglass to make the molds n save some money.
I used to make carbon fiber motorcycle parts at a shop I used to work at, its alot more involved to make molds than people would think. Then when you have the molds made it's not easy to lay down a perfect gel coat and then lay down your first layer of carbon fiber, the one that will be exposed, with having your weave pattern perfect and not have any strands happen. The whole process is alot of work.
Hells yeah, I’m stoked on this build. About to show them something that “can’t be done” again 👍🏼
How not to make carbon fibre parts should be your title🤣🤣
Ken Michigwan I thought they were making umbrella .
Any reason as to why you are using shop rags on the new paint job and not microfiber towels?
First love the channel. I have been building aircraft parts for over 30 years from carbon fiber, fiberglass and airamid and the first thing to do is build a mold using tooling cloth and tooling resin. This will give you an ultra smooth surface to lay you cloth on. Then Learn about the warp directions of the cloth and how to clock them for strength. Then learn to use tooling wax to allow for thickness. Also fabricate a female mold and learn vacuum bagging technech that allow for getting any air bubbles out and so you will have a smooth surface with little to no sanding. The real expensive way is like the way the factory does and that is use prepreg materials.
Awesome content and excellent work on making body parts you guys will get right I believe you guys
Just curious why not make molds and then you can make your parts
this video is making me cry bro what the fuuuckk
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Great first step! As you say, it’s a learning exercise 👍
The green hurracan looks awesome with a cf hood 💪🏼💪🏼, shout out from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷🇵🇷
Why didn't you make a mold first
Because Chris always tries to do the easy thing first.... and when it fails, he tries doing it better. (Sometimes)
One word: Hack
@@jordanlatta fair point 🤣
Make fiberglass negatives, fiberglass is cheaper and once you have 1 mold you can always make new CF parts if needed
Such a wild build
Love streetbandito!!
Do it the right way. Make molds of every panel
BOOM! Great Vid! Didn’t even watch yet! Just hit play! Gonna assume it’s gonna be great!
Do it the correct way like Street Bandito. Make positive molds and vacuum form the parts. Only way to reduce weight and have strength, which is the whole purpose of using CF lamination. If you are planning on just doing carbon fiber overlays, you might as well use fiber glass as the structure and then overlay carbon fiber for the finishing look.....
transta00 just use a carbon fiber rap, that would look better than that backwards effort.
Woooo! Getting our Street Bandito on! LET'S GO!
You should have made a fiberglass mold first. Also, you should put the carbon fiber
A vacuum while it cures.
False... The infusion process will lead wrinkles of the bag to create deformation over the piece. Also, it's a single layer of carbon, so what is the need to create a vacuum ? You normally create a vacuum to remove all the bubbles trap into the multiples layers of fibers or to conform the fibers onto a complex angles mold.