Building a Carbon Fiber Huracan Door Pt 1
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- 게시일 2019. 07. 26.
- In todays episode were building a carbon fiber door skin.
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I make fibreglass moulds so much things done wrong
You need to make flanges at the opposite edge of the part also
Pretty sure the Turo referral deal is on pause. Was great while it lasted though.
Dude why won't you jusy fly one of the street bandito guys out for the weekend to get you going on this stuff and take it from there...
Consider hanging an analog clock in your paint booth. It would look great on the time lapse
I'll give him this, not that he needs it from me, but this guy sure has balls. He is always pushing and leading the way...such as it is.
@@melissahill7930 I find it hard to gauge where you are coming from, other than snark. Do you think the team is ballsy, but stupid? Or are you deriding the commenter? It takes both brains AND balls to do something as insane as this (with plenty of cash and sponsors - and sponsors usually don't back stupid soyboys restoring a 1974 Schwinn Suburban).
if i had money to burn i would be too , basicly you need to have enough finances to cover youre misstakes or take lessons from someone that knows how to do it and then you eventually get it right
@@melissahill7930 I'd rather have more balls than brain vs more brain than balls. Without courage there is no progress.
@@rtsmoto6331 first carbon fiber huracan, first ls manual huracan. And plenty of professional builders have done it. He's showing people that it can be done without professional training
@@melissahill7930 I think you're missing the point. He's brave enough to try it, brave enough to put his own finances on the line. Sure he's making mistakes but he's brave enough to go for it. Real easy to criticize from the comments but you can't knock the guys courage and his commitment
He is essentially building the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento. Looking good so far!
The Sesto Elemento's name is a reference to the atomic number of carbon
that mold is flexing a lot, maybe build some structure or a box for the back side with expanding foam or something
Jacob Peterson I was thinking the same thing.
yes, a steel frame bonded into the back of the mould would have made it rigid to reduce flex and twist. Also they should consider having an aluminum reinforcement in their final part. it will also give them something to screw into, for mounting.
@@RecklessRegal we're mostly talking about the fiberglass mold being supported so the shape stays true while making the carbon piece
@@DangerDook I'm aware, I'm saying it's not an issue with a carbon fiber part.
Mold?? Lmao
It helps to heat gun the resin to remove bubbles, both in the mixing and application.
James Duncan yes it’s called degassing
You can also put the resin in a vaccumm chamber and definitely get the tip for the gun. Also pour down a stick when transferring material to not add more air into the mix.
I’ve seen some people using a torch too
It will ruin the mold
Also mix it very carefully to not introduce air bubbles. Do everything you can to keep the resin smooth and bubble less.
Why u dont just start on a gas cap?
1) small
2)cheap on material
3)faster
4)easier to learn
Kimi why would you start on something so small?? The tactics would be nowhere near the same compared to the hood or the door.
Because larger areas will not be the same as a smaller area. It’s a very basic simple concept lol.
Small stuff tend to me more difficult to work around for composites. More curvature etc. Gas cap could be good starting point though (I agree)
@@Mr.Saephan503 or lid
@@Kimi-ix4ps they seem to be cool with wasting time and money.
I really like that you post the things that don't go right, and explain where it went "off the rails". Sometimes that's more helpful than just showing and explaining one way that works.
You should make braces for the molds. Keeps them from flexing and acts as a stand.
Also watch the raptor aircraft channel. They are making a carbon fiber airplane. They know carbon fiber and mold making.
I just searched on this... Is the first one on their playlist titled "Shifting into gear - working on the nose gear system"? Also, where would you recommend he focus in on there for carbon stuff specifically? There's a lots of videos there and they don't seem organized or titled in a way to help find that technique specifically.
@@jmckey it is a very long and complex build. The guy named Jeff is apparently a carbon fiber expert.
Chris the Carbon mould
*Instead of PVA
use the Wax Releas and some Chemical Release..
*Hot Glue Flanges with sign board
*Sponge Brushes
*Cheap Walmart Yoga EVA foam mat on the backside of mould will avoid envelope bag popping on sharp fiberglass
*Plasticine or Modeling clay instead of chapstick work filleting wax
@Dirtyd23 lol I am not American boss...the rest of the world use proper English spelling tho
Dirtyd23 💀
man, your positive attitude is one of the biggest take aways from this channel.
hey chris, what i think is great about your channel: it's not about perfect self staging, it's about the courage to try something really new and challenging, to show something unsuccessful and to get on through these mistakes. i hope you keep the setting for a while, it makes your channel absolutely unique. since this project i'm a big fan.
Hey Chris, good job on the learning process. I've built a few composited aircraft and understand the nature of creating composite molds for CF panels. At its best, its a black art only to be performed by voodoo which doctors under a blood moon if theres any hope for perfection. But if I might make a couple of suggestions that have proved usefull at least to me. First, lay a few 1 inch foam dowels between a couple of layers of that fiber glass, that greatly improves rigidity of the mold and stops 99 percent of the flexing. Secondly as long a you are using a long work time resin, use a heat gun on medium to high and glance it over the first layer of resin, it does wonders to smooth out the first coat. Lastly use double sided butyl tape to seal vacuum bag edges, not sure what you used here.There's a lot to learn in mold making but your doing great. Thanks for the vid!
By far the most determined guy I watch on KRplus!!! Keep pushing bro!
I've never worked with carbon fiber but I have done a lot of fiberglass. I would think you could sand the imperfections fill with resin and sand that out and the clear coat would cover the scratches and make it shiny. Worth a try since this is a test piece anyway.
I love how open you are with your experiments! I takes a lot of balls to post failures and shortcomings on the internet!! Your ability to shake it off and keep moving forward is truly inspiring! Thanks Chris!!
Normally you would vacuum your resin through the mesh during the vacuum process.
Idk how you guy dont have a monster energy sponsor there is a kyle in in the vid
Edvan Kemper English??
Kyle lololololololol 😂😂😂
@@bychyke9581 fucking nigga
That boosted boys reference 😁
You need to add reinforcement to the mold it needs to be super rigid to maintain and hold its shape if you look at any mold out there they are super over built to make sure they don’t change shape no matter what
I've worked a bit with carbon fibre, and getting it right the first time is just extremely difficult. You'll always run into the issues that Chris is having right now, but he's on the right track. Patience and persistence and eventually he'll get there!
He didn't fail, he just found another way how not to do it. 🤷🏻♂️
You should have put some kind of bracing on the back of that mould. it's gonna warp....
You can still glue some foam-core or plywood bulkheads to the back of the mold to make it more rigid.
was thinking the same thing
The mold will be fine
Never clicked a video so fast. Tea at the ready, sit back and enjoy.
same, i checked the channel a few times today, ready for this one.
Love this build. people that fail, quit, people that succeed, keep trying.
Chris I love your attitude about trial and error. You guys appear to be close and this will be a hell of a car when done. I hope you bring it to the Portland Roadster show next March so us guys that don’t go to SEMA can see it.
Been watching Since the Plan A BRZ! Love this Channel!! Awesome builds as always!
Same here, he's really come a long way since then!
@@notgonnaupload2056 yeah, he's come a long way. from mounting a wide body kit to making full carbon fiber body panels for a Lamborghini just in a couple of years.
You need to keep the extra stuff on the edges, it provides rigidity for when you lay the carbon fiber later. By cutting it off it means the mold will flex and you'll get a crooked door later
Been reading some of the comments it's amazing how many professional people watch youtube it's amazing.
Chris, you need a drain. If you pull the resin from one end to the other, it'll pull through all of the material and out the drain rather than looking for a hole to make itself leaving gaps in resin! A cracking first effort! Keep going.
Have you watched any of the videos from Easy Composites Ltd on KRplus yet? You really should to get a bit of background technique on this subject!
These guys show the making of a hood that turned out beautifully!
Everyone told him that after the first attempt, can't understand why he's not following their method
Hi on fiberglass you should use a paddle roller and roll every layer to remove all air to make it stronger
Bro has no idea what he's doing building that mold. Didn't even use rollers and no support. I was wincing the entire time.
Exactly the same for carbon too then vac it.
Your perseverance is inspirational. Was thinking why waste time trimming cleaning and fitting the panel. Then thought you deserved the encouragement!
You made the right decision to make the mould and copy from that! It means the parts you make will be dimensionally exact so making installation and gapping more OEM. Also you have the ability to re-make any part in case of accidents, panel damage.
Nice try again guys. Getting closer.
Personally, I would ditch the PVA stuff. If you are using release wax, there should be no need for the PVA....
I agree! I used to wax our 1932 ford 3 window coupe molds 7 times just to be sure and only had one major issue in 30 yrs of building them! The helper mixed the resin way to hot and it went off to fast! But wax is all thats needed if your thorough!
Chris, I find your videos fascinating. They must take so much time to produce.
a 25 minute video of a carbon fiber door that probably took him at least 2 days to film and make the door. Its crazy the amount of time that gets put into about a half hour long video
@@timjeanjaquet5576 The video itself is probably a couple of days work. whoever does it, is very good.
Love how you guys push through with creative solutions! Bummer it didn't turn out but glad you're looking on the bright side. Amazing episode.
Love the way in this video you teach viewers to try and fail, try and fail.... Learn... But never Quite!
I see B is for Body kits in your future as a sellable product.
He's building the car based on a design by The Kyza
Wouldn't be surprised if Rocket Bunny or some other brand made a deal with them and sold it
@@melissahill7930 hahahahahah
@@melissahill7930 as long as you show before and after shots. 🤣
I’d buy their kits. Just need a lambo first 🤣😂. In my dreams.. guess I’ll just get a t shirt
The kyza co owns a company called LTO so they would be sold by LTO
I love the composite videos. Wish StreetBandito was putting out more videos but they are probably busy with customer cars now that is summer.
Ikr, wondered where they've gone 🤔 it's been 2 months or something!
Yeah im going through street bandito withdrawals! Lol
Very educational. Your sponsors are spending their money in the right place.
Progress is Key, I Can't wait to see you get it right and enjoy the process. Thanks for showing us every step even where the mistakes are. Its keeping going that counts.
The whole point of vacuum baggging is to apply the resin; you do not need to add any before
You’re thinking of vacuum infusion, which is a better method, but The way he’s doing it is ok if he had a bigger flange and if he had started the vacuum before any resin started to set, and if the vacuum would have held the entire time.
@@customfabrications it's not okay, vaccum bagging the way he did it is more for skins, you need to infuse to get resin pushed in through the whole part, that's why he has voids. Also the part will be weak because either there is too much resin or not enough. Idk why he doesnt watch a simple KRplus video about it to get it right or at least closer to right. I mean it's nice to see him fail because you'll learn through his mistakes but these issues are kinda novice, like someone just skimmed the how to and winged it lol.
Yes!! Been waiting for this.
Best build on KRplus
Great update. I’ve been waiting to see how this one would work out. Definitely not a total failure.
Build larger flanges by taping fluted plastic board on the edges. Because you're doing wet layup, you need to make sure most of the cf fabric is inside the small grooves, the vacuum will help pull the cloth closer against the mould mould but will not ensure the fabric's filling of the voids (especially when you have multiple layers of cf cloth). Use plastic wedges or keycard to press the carbon into the tacky resin
Also, in terms of the mould, use that roller you have to roll out the air bubbles between the fiberglass matt's. This will prevent air voids underneath the tooling gelcoat where it can collapse under pressure and repeated use
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like they're watching a 10 year old building a rocket ship so he can go to the moon??? lol
except he already went there and back, this one is going to mars!
Vacuum bagging, you insert resin in the bag through a hose, and vacuum across the piece. The excess resin is drawn across the piece and out the other side...
Look at boat building molds...
That's called vacuum infusing, just a different method
Way better for even coverage
If your past tells us anything, it’s that no matter what you find a solution and make your dreams happen. Goodluck on the build and I really hope you figure out everything u need
Great video. New respect for how perfect Pagani makes Carbon panels. Best build on KRplus
Please watch Street Bandito channel. The carbon Datsun series. They show much detail on creating carbonfiber parts for their Datsun 😎
He already is
I agree that was such a fun project to watch! Didn't they build a set of taillights for b is for builds 240z?
Chris said at the start of this project that hes been in communication with them about how to do carbon fibre
Didn't know that haha. The Datsun came out great!
You should either switch to pre-preg or soak your outer layer of dry carbon fiber...much better finish and stronger piece.
vacuum bag is nice but I think he might want to roller everything regardless
Great see the changes and learning process here. The only thing I would suggest to you is to rotate the orientation of the weave each layer. That will help make the strength the same in all directions. Ask your supplier for what would work best for your weave.
Also ask about vacuum infusion resin. You can setup all the layers and check that it holds vacuum before you add resin using that method
This is incredible. I remembered watching one of the first Episodes of B is for Build, when your mate was too hungover to come round and help with the BRZ....now you are making Carbon Doors for lamborghini Huracan....absolute madness. Massive props to you Chris, and the rest of the B is for build crew!
Have you checked out easy composites videos fron 7 years ago. I know there old but the videos are great and really detailed on how to make a carbon bonnet and seems to be simpler than how you are doing it.
This build is gonna be so damn cool when it's finished!
Hey, I use to work in layup for an aerospace company. We worked on a lot of carbon parts.
First. Your mold needs to be close to perfect before you lay anything in it. Sand and bondo the imperfections.
Second. When you lay the first two layers of material. Vacuum seal it then to compress all the resin through out the first layer. Repeat this for the next two layers.
Temperature also plays a big roll in a good finish so a temperature controlled environment would be ideal. Around 68-72 degrees.
For the edges I would recommend getting brand new squeegee tools.
There is a way to sand and clear coat the visual side if there are small imperfections. Sadly that was a different departments area and I never learned how to do that so I don’t have any advice there.
Another piece of advice I could give is get different material.
Some come with resin already applied to the material. There’s less chance of imperfections with this kind of material.
easy composites videos are an amazing teaching tool. The hood video is perfect. Love the build and hope you guys get this. The mold is good though. You got this!
A question: How will you support the carbon fibre door skin? Will you peel the aluminium skin from a damaged door and lay the inner metal structure into the freshly laid carbon fibre skin and fold over the carbon fibre edge? That way you can create a pretty crisp edge on the carbon fibre skin while retaining all the mounting hardware for the mirrors, handles, hinges, etc.
I’m pretty sure the idea will be to make a mold of the inner door structure too, and bond that to this outer skin.
@@konradgreen2567 That would be amazing to see, except I'm worried that there are too many complicated mounting points inside the door to make it a feasible project, considering the extreme time sensitivity. Also, there are super complicated brackets in the door for the mounting of the unlocking/opening mechanism, power windows and rear view mirror. Also, by using the original aluminium inner skin you can mitigate some of the stresses that may cause the door to crack at the hinges, lock and mirror.
My S2000 has a carbon fiber hard top. It's seen better days. No doubt that your door panel you just made can be fixed. You're so close! Great job. Great videos
This is probably one of the coolest how to videos on youtube!
Congrats! Thanks for continuing to upgrade your processes
Like so he knows we appreciate his hard work and good consistent content
Iallstar Wray I think that’s what the like button on the video is for, not your shiddy comment
You really need to do a collab with a professional... It would save you a lot of time and money.
Amazing progress, i absolutely love this build especially with the carbon!
Great attitude! Im impressed that you were able to to that well!
If you had left the vacuum pump running for the entire hardening process it would have easily compensated any small leaks!
2310Ole He is more like I think I know how to do this. Than does it. Finds out some things has to be done differently or call it better. I guess it is a great way to learn. Because eventually he gets it done. Have to admire his determination.
@@cf6282 definitely
I used to work for a company that made carbon fiber materials.. we used sheets of plastics and like some sort of yellow double sided tape to make the bags.. that helps cause you can make the bags as big as you want them.. but you are getting there.. almost got it Chris
Your videos are very inspiring and have motivated me to create many things. just wanted to say thank you for the knowledge and entertainment that you share.I hope to see this channel continue to grow and inspire others like me! I wish you good luck on Both the Huracan Builds and all those to come. ✌️
I saw a series on the Easy Composites KRplus channel to do something like this.
One Question.... How many micro splinters did you get from that fiberglass😂😂😂😂😂
Chris I'd suggest trying on a smaller scale, maybe try something like a phone case with the scraps. Costs less and takes less time, and maybe you could sell the cases afterwards
Chris, you should pre-cut and pre-fit all of the carbon pieces as well as the two vacuum separation layers before you mix any resin. That way you can get the maximum time in the vacuum bag and better resin flow through all of the layers.
When I get older I want to be like you
@@Mr.Saephan503 yeah I forgot to say that
I hear McDonald's is hiring
Chris, you should really look into prepreg man, you are wasting a lot of money and time on "medieval" method of building with carbon fiber. Even koenigsegg uses prepreg method for their cars.
The oven to bake a prepreg door would be insane
You can use a heating blanket
@@Drivewaybuilt an oven is not hard to make. I have used foil backed wall insulation board for the enclosure. And a halogen bulb with a fan for heat. Temperature controlled by a PID controller. I still would not use prepreg unless I used lots of it. The mold would have to be cured at least 50 degree's hotter than the prepreg cure cycle or it would soften too much. Probably would require a new mold depending on the resin he used.
@@Drivewaybuilt Maybe that's the big box he has arriving soon
You don’t fail, you learn... keep going.
Thanks brother, you’re an inspiration.
Everyone is here in the comment section ticked off, however this is the embodiment of the channel. He’s going to make many mistakes and that’s perfectly fine, almost preferred. This is a channel that not only offers entertainment, but also is offers information for the small guys in a garage on a budget. Been here forever Chris, keep on making mistakes because that’s the only way in life to get better. Amazing content and beautiful build.
Who in their right mind would let someone drive their 80K+ car for ~$100/day. You know theyre gonna floor it everywhere and do all kinds of rough shit with it. Sounds like an insurance and repair nightmare to me.
Word
ikr bmw i8 starts round 150k.
Plenty of "Turo ruined my car" videos on YT.
I've always wondered that too excellent point.
"the fasted car in the world.... Is the rental car." ~Jeremy Clarkson.
Are you going to make a update vid about the Italian Yacht ?
No one cares about boats
@@SPiKYz. not true
SPIKY it was really interesting for me
Easily the bravest KRplusr ever. Had my fingers crossed 🤞🏾the whole time. Love the determination, can't wait to see it all done.
Great job guys. Love the drive and determination.
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You want a brownie button or a chest to pin it on lol
HAHA GOOD ONE BRO
@@WetNoodleNate sorry I just had to do it lol
Get in contact with someone from Mansory or Vorsteiner! These brands owe it to the car community to help you out!
I commend you on the extreme patience you have with the CF mold ...B is for Build 👍👍👍👍👍
Hi Chris, I am really impressed you are giving this a go.... it is my dream do do a whole car in carbon! Easy composites have been the best tutorials I have found so far. There are so many bits that they suggest which you didnt do. Watch their 3 part of how to build a carbon fibre hood. They really did the process well.
Holy shit every time you make a new attempt to anything the comment is just full of ‘experts’ that think they know everything and saying you are wrong in ever aspect🤣
Must be hard dealing it Chris
Not wrong at all....making some mistakes like the best did at one stage or another through trial and error
Hey Chris, check out Easy Composites Ltd, I used their tutorial for my hood and it came out perfectly
I was sceptical from the green Hurricane, then great surprise with this LS swap on a burnt chassis and now carbon fibre (near) succes! Loving it!!!! Great job builders😁😁😁👍
When putting your vacuum bag on, leave enough excess so that you can fold the bag on body lines and in the crevices around door handle and mirror. This will help get better detail on your finished surface.
Can’t you just sand down the exterior risen? And fix it from there?
I definitely think if he gets in a pinch this will be fixable enough to bring to SEMA.
Sand clear coat and send it
I was wondering the same thing, same with the small pinholes. Few layers of resin, sanding in between layers.
Yes but your damned if you hit the carbon fiber!
Now cut that carbon failure into key chain and do give away.
cool ideal
I’m really into this build and look forward to each update. Wish there were more haha. I also wish I could buy your merch here in the UK. Keep em coming Chris, I’m still watching your other builds in between.
Your method of layup is good! Your mold is good! I’ve been working with carbon fiber in the aircraft industry for 5 years now and your close. Just really got to tuck that material in the cracks and creases. Also don’t just leave a larger flange for your vacuum bag, but make a tab to put your vacuum port on that’s off the part. It can possibly leave mark off on the part. And make sure your vacuum bag is tucked in those creases as well or it can pull your material off the mold
Hi watch the channel street bandito the guy builds his Datsun out of carbon fiber
Hes worked with them before. They made the taillights for the v10 z
Weird question, wouldnt the new door skin be fractionally larger then the original if its overlayed and not molded?
They made the mold with the original door. So when they use that mold it will be the same size as the original. It's like when you step in sand and leave a foot print. If you were to fill that footprint it would be the same size as your foot.
@@4therush I think he's referring to the thickness of the paint and clear coat. I was wondering the same thing.
Yes it but be, but it doesnt realyl matter since every panel is a bit larger.
@@syndicate9272 I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Why wouldn't it matter? I would think that it matters because of the tight tolerances of the original panels. If the base panel is thicker than the original because it's molded with the paint and clear coat, then it'll be significantly thicker after the replica is painted and cleared too.
@@4therush the original isnt bare metal tho, that's where my brain gets stuck
To help keep the mold in shape, glue wooden sticks or metal rods in with the molding. Helps keep it in shape and clearly what on the outside of the mold doesn't matter to the product.
Great video. Thank you for showing that you need to be persistent to succeed in life.
Check our Eazy Composites Ltd here on youtube on how to properly replicate parts in Carbon
That's what everyone told him last time
@@pcb1962yeah, including me
Ditch the door handles! Are you building a daily driver?
Cheap and free bracing for the fibreglass splashes (molds) you are making is the triangular cardboard packaging that comes with large fragile packages. Cut it to length and lay them in after the second layer of fibreglass cloth.
I think without guys like you we wouldn't even try things like this keep trying thank you for your inspiration you give us all