Part Two: The Jordan Peterson Episode | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

Peterson is a master at building the boat of fascism and then acting with the greatest contempt when you remind him that a built boat will be pushed out to sea and used.

Mentioning that he doesn't follow any of his own rules for good living feels pretty meaningful. Jordan Peterson, from the first time I heard him speak, has always struck me as someone who utterly loathes himself and aspires to instil in others a hatred for everything he hates about himself in the hope that this will somehow transform him into someone who is not those things.
He preaches disdain for the 'feminisation' of men and the importance of traditional masculinity while he himself is a soft-spoken, highly emotional person with a voice on the higher end of the traditional male register and, to be blunt, a very twink-y physique. He speaks about the natural order of men being dominant while what little we know about his home life characterises him as someone who constantly tries, but fails, to assert control over his family. He practically worships order, especially 'the natural order', while any time he speaks in a stream-of-consciousness form, it reveals that even he himself can barely make heads or tails of the constant roiling storm of chaos in his own head.
Basically it feels like he's a deeply self-loathing individual who has decided to make this the world's problem rather than working on himself.

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A far superior thinker than JP once wrote:
"So many people have been hypnotized by Aristotelian ''yes/ no'' logic to the extent that any step beyond that Bronze Age mythos seems to them a whirling, dizzying plunge into a pit of Chaos and the Dark Night of Nihilism."
- Robert Anton Wilson, Quantum Psychology: How Brain Software Programs You & Your World

the medically induced coma detox to me feels like a low effort easy way out scenario. He didn't want to do the work to get clean, he just wanted to go to sleep and wake up a month later without a drug problem.

How could anyone ever take Peterson seriously after hearing that he can't debate anyone he can't punch? That is an open admission of his own inadequacy in the area of debate and rational discourse!

It's so frustrating that so few people point out that Peterson's infamous claim about the "Chaos Dragon" being female in all ancient myths is proven false much closer than China: in ancient Egypt, a pretty important origin of Western culture to overlook.
In Egyptian religion, Chaos was very much masculine, with the male chaos snake-god Apep/Apopis being the antagonist of the Sun god Ra and the also male Seth (brother of Osiris whom he murdered & uncle of Horus) being the separate god of disorder (although he was made a positive god of war later on). Meanwhile, order (as well as law & justice) had a goddess in Maat (a daughter of Ra).

Peterson's statements about the far right and the "inevitability" of Trump have the ring of the "look what you made us do" angle right wingers sometimes adopt to justify mass shooters and such.

...wait, Ursula isn't the Devouring Mother. Triton is the male version of it.

In Japan, the Sun is female, the Moon, male, and Chaos male

As someone who has campaigned alonside first natikns people here in Australia for more than three decades, ive been adopted by many families. Its a way of placing you into the familiar and lore systems of the different nations and gives you a giude and relationship to other peoples, lanscapes and animals in the system. It doesnt make you first nations, nor give you the right to ba called as a member of the nation, nor the right to represent, speak on behalf of said peoples. People like peterson dont understandbthe rascism inherent in their actions and the way they use family relations to jusctify their actions.

rationality rules (someone in their patreon to be more specific) coined the term "trojan source" where the speaker quotes a source that ultimately disagrees with them (for instance, creationists love to quote ANY criticism of evolution, but it's usually criticises a specific thing, not the theory)

I like that Robert reads the peterson quotes with the cadence of the announcer from soul calibur

I've always referred to the "intellectual Dark Web," as the "Intellectual Black Hole."

I'm not sure what Peterson's complaint with The Little Mermaid really is. You'd think he'd approve the patriarchal nature of the narrative. She was looking for a prince and she wasn't gonna find one getting stuck where she was. Was she supposed to stay home and marry her dad? Don't answer that, Jordan Peterson.

53:56 I am so glad you brought up the cider. I heard that podcast on Joe Rogan. He claimed that cider had kept him awake for 23 days, he gave that as an excuse for why he sounded so weird on Sam Harris's podcast. I looked up the world record for going without sleep is 11 days and the streak was broken because the guy died.

Mikhaila Peterson: The Devouring Daughter

peterson reminds me quite a bit of the authors of the bell curve, where the whole way through they insist that they aren't standing for any one side and don't support racism or racist readings of their work, but if you actually look at everything they claim and the logical conclusions to those things, it's glaringly obvious that their insistence and offense at the thought is flimsy cover. truly astounding shit.

Peterson's never really told us what his treatment in Russia consisted of - my bet is that he was strapped to a bare wooden bed while three old Russian guys recited Dostoevsky - all at once and all starting from different points in the story. They did this, in Russian, for three weeks until Peterson lapsed into a coma.

What is it with fascist or dictator types always claiming they dont need sleep?

Commenting on your repeated mention of Raytheon I always thought it was odd / unsettling that they had a float in the First Gulf War victory parade - and that no one seemed to find there presence in that event unusual or note worthy

I always smile at teh Raytheon hate-boner jokes.

Wow. I had a friend who went from being gay to this bizarre christian right winger that does anti gov protests. At some point in the past he mentioned how he was a fan of Jordan Peterson and after watching this I completely understand what happened

Peterson seems to be suffering from, to use Jungian terminology, shadow possession.
He grew up protestant, with nightmares of rapturous hellfire destroying the world, and as we see with the way he stuffs his home with communist propaganda specifically because he hates it and "needs to know the enemy", he has a predisposition towards obsession over things that plague him, and, seemingly, tends to end up integrating these things into himself as an escape, attempting to transcend the danger by becoming an authority upon it.
As such, he has come to fear the archetypal "judgement" so fundamentally, that he has accepted it as inescapable fact, presumably in some vain hope to lessen it, or at least lessen it's burden upon him psychologically.
This is why he's scared of disagreeing outright with people he considers either equals or authorities, but is more than happy to preach and dictate to perceived "lessers", children, women, anyone he can infantilise or patronize, because he's scared of any perceived judgement, and thusly tries to take the place of the judge, in an attempt to transcend the judgement.
What he doesn't understand, is that the only way past the judgment arcana, is to judge oneself objectively, by ones own measure, and you'll never be free from judgment until you can accept it, but Jordan continues to hide from it, and the longer he leaves his task undone, the more twisted and deformed from his original ambitions he becomes.
He claims suffering is necessary for growth, but won't face himself in that harshest of ways, and how is one to heal themselves without being able to accept the pain of surgery when necessary?
What doctor could possibly fix what only we can see, and how could even we fix it, when we're too afraid of what it's presence would imply? to look and understand the injury?

'People should grow up surrounded and indoctrinated into Judao-Christian beliefs - but by that he mean Christian, and be protected from ever hearing other theories, so they can become perfect God-fearing conservatives'

Imagine if they could have seen how much worse Peterson would get over the next three years since this was originally uploaded

Well whatever is going on with Jordy Bee's daughter? The phrase that comes to mind is "as you have brewed so shall you drink"
If he recovers from that whole ordeal I sincerely hope he comes to a semblance of sense.

As a woman, I would be absolutely thrilled if someone called me a Chaos Dragon. That’s practically a pet name.

Hearing that Peterson thinks his wife dreams of the end times and he's the one that'll save us really makes all his bs makes sense

I just found these. Great job Robert!

So how is it that people, like JBP, who wants to preach to people about his wife's prophetic dreams is any better than lazy academics who just want to sit around an analyze things rather than execute any of their ideas? This all starts with his rejection of who he sees as the problem being ineffective liberal academics, but the alternative is a megalomaniacs who preach pseudo-scientific philosophies about fascism?! Ummm....I'll take the lazy academics for 1000 Alex.

I never dressed as a Nazi! I am just a fan of vintage Hugo Boss.

Jordan Benzo Peterson?
Yeah, the cheese has slid right off the cracker there.

As an aspiring writer, there's something so interesting to me about someone saying it's a horrible lie that women have been marginalized throughout history, and then citing mythologies centering men in the orderly, heroic roles as some insight into human nature. Even if it were true the mythologies are as uniform as he claims (and they're not), wouldn't that just be a possible indicator as to who was allowed to tell the stories?

Just a note: a lot of us indigenous folks do actually refer to ourselves as indians amongst ourselves, especially those like me whose native ancestry is from the spanish speaking parts of the SW and Mexico.

I had an uncle who worked as a ranch hand. He brought order from cows.

Oh "cody". I was wondering why that voice sounded so familiar. This must be why you made a short video on Petterson huh? Just a short one.

Jordan's early local Canadian TV appearances whining about the degradation of cultural norms and whatever #JustJordanThings wearing his fedora and trenchcoat (which, really showing a loop of that footage should've been the video portion of these episodes) do show that he was always somewhat fashy and misogynist. But he's also clearly played it up since his transphobia made him popular among young sad men. He clearly realized the ven diagram of transphobic (especially at that time, before terfs got bigger), fascistic, and misogynistic was pretty much just a circle, and took his own dictatorial advice and aimed for the loudest, most raucous, slavering cheers.
He's a cynical grifter who has a message of reactionary fear (which nestles just *so* cozily into fascism and bigotry) he genuinely feels, but he's willing to shift about emphasis on whatever points work best to deliver that message of impotent panic. He also does buy his own BS. Those two things can both be true. He thinks he's an ubergenius who has found some deep truths about human nature, and that justifies skewing his words and views however seems to be working to get his message spread.

Wow, I had no idea how strange Peterson is. I also had no idea about his recent health issues. It actually makes me feel pity for him.

nice

When is part 3?

In this episode Robert Evans confirms years of Redbar joke to be true facts and not guessing based off of the movie Hereditary

I'd fight jp. I have a feeling it wouldn't be that hard

We really need a post necromancy show at this point unless there is and I haven't found it.

Actually fairly certain that plenty of indigenous people prefer “Indian,” they’re doing a reclamation thing.
It’s… complicated.

Cody’s Ben Shapiro sounds like Marvin the Martian, hahaha

Jordo pulled through. Hooray.

37:30 hi! Member of the choir here but beople did violently resist Naziism in Weimar

Peterson is worse off than I thought, he's the soul of all citizens, the Father of fathers, a savior +SSRI's

interesting .I never figured he was sincere I always considered him to be a man on the make / snake oil salesman

Jordy Pete's use of supposedly-universal myth to indicate reality is a bit undercut by dragons. Many societies depict dragons, but that doesn't mean dragons are real.
And you don't need to have myths to underpin morals. Empathy is pretty good for that.
Also, "Society isn't nation-centric enough" and "I'm not a fascist" are pretty tough to reconcile.
On his obsession with older/natural things: just because it's natural or well-worn doesn't mean it's good. Poison Ivy is natural.

Ok Jordan Peterson

Peterson is a bitch. I quit a huge benzo addiction cold turkey, even though it was a severely psychologically traumatic event where I felt like a dispossessed spirit stuck looking out the eyes of a mindless zombie from the back of its skull for a *month*. It was rough, but you know what? Being now married, having two beautiful children, an engineering degree, and a life lesson I’ll never forget 14 years later was worth it. I’ll take that over brain damage, being affiliated with the Daily Wire, and having one of my kids be Mikaela Peterson.

34:30 "We're getting away from nation centered culture" Yeah, nationalism for me kinda goes out the window when I can see the tweets of a teenager buried under the rubble of a bombed building in Gaza. Unless that's a turn on for someone, I think it's losing it's appeal.

For sure that induced coma gave him neurological damage.

Raytheon

29:00 "normie" here. It reads as a bullshit, nonsense, "woo-woo" platitude you'd get out of a fortune cookie, vaguely reminiscent of the popular, misunderstood version of nietzche and of "great men" theory.

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of course he's a pretendian! how could he not be

You want to read the JP novel without obfuscating language? It's 'An ABC of Childhood Tragedy'. Read it and you'll see what I mean.

Peterson's carping about "hard" masculinity and pronouns is quite funny, given that I would describe his personal style and gender presentation as "desperately enby."

It is rich that good old Peterson is well rich and overlooks the fact that Christ hosted the rich how convenient he left that part out when he talks about Christianity.

So you say that nobody like Indian as the term for first nations people.
Fyi in Canada the act that gives first nations people many special rights is the Indian Act, and it specifically defines them as Indians. As a result some indigenous people use that term because they are part of a federal band. Also some use it as a form of protest. We call them indians, we give them an act about it, and then we dont respect their rights under that act.
While i, a non first nations person, dont use it. And Perterson shouldnt use it. In Canada it is slightly more common in certain polite conversations.

I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the US plenty of white racists are more or less okay with Native Americans. Like, they probably wouldn't like indigenous nations being acknowledged, respected groups within the US, but as an identity for individuals or a characteristic of one's own heritige, it's not really a problem for them. I think this is because we've done a lot to romanticize indigenous people as a part of American history, so saying you're Cherokee is like saying your family is half swiss. To put it another way, if a white American told me "I can't be racist, I'm Lumbee!" I wouldn't immediately accept the first assertion or deny the second, you know?

The Jords is a dude who takes the positions that make him feel big when he says them, and then looks for reasons to support it in bad faith afterward. He's never actually looking for truth.

I came into this expecting to hate Peterson, but now I mostly feel sorry for him

I was a Peterson fan. I think he's an interesting thinker...but I really do think that Coma especially either caused or exacerbated a mental decline.

Talking with civility about basic shit does not make it any better.
Talking with civility that women aren't exactly people and need to be controlled at all times does not make that point of view any valid.
You can wrap a turd in gold, but it'll be just be crap.

To say a minor inconvenience-I.e. calling someone their preferred gender or name-is like cultural fascism shows a basic misunderstanding of history that is the alt/right conservatism trump movement.

You never cold turkey diazepam

you are pseudointellectual hacks, have spent way too much time with your podcasts. Loved the wrestling series.

Doomsday Clock

Who's the Bastsrds? Youse guys?

WWI broke Germany. The Allies starved Germany. They grew up hating the rest of Europe. That's why after WWII, we treated Japan well.

What incredible shallow thinking that is exhibited in this podcast. I wonder how well you would do in a one on one discussion or debate with Peterson.

Mealy mouth

Kinda seems like these guys are the bastards.
Not that there's any reason they can't all be bastards.