How the UK and China Went From Friends to Foes

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Yeah and Chyna isn’t wanted or liked

you mean subservient to US foreign policy.

It's called alliance, together we're stronger against the aggressors

I really dont think china notices what england says. Its more for the domestic audience to feel the UK matters. Im from the UK btw...

The U.S did the same with Mexico multiple times, they just did what they wanted....
Yeah....

My take: is china any different? pick a side and stay there

Agree, pick a side and STAY DOWN boy.

​@@ytrewq12345How about some neutrality

My take: UK worldview aligns more closely with the US on the threats posed by Russia and China, than it does with the EU. Also the UK is now trying to prioritise strategic thinking over short term profit.
France is probably coming round to our way of thinking because their interests in Africa have been affected by Russia plus the Ukraine invasion. Germany is the laggard because its manufacturing industry was relying on cheaper Russian gas, so it is most exposed by the geopolitical realignment.

Whilst the opium wars have a strong place in Chinese shared history, the world doesn’t operate like that. Only 70 years ago Britain fought Germany now were nato allies. A lot has happened since then. It’s just stupidly reductive to utilise one fact you happen to know about history and use that as evidence of poor Britain china relations.

Chinese aren't africans that are perpetually triggered by white people lol

I'm a Chinese who came to west to study. The opium war is mostly used as a tool to teach nationalism and antiwestern sentiment. So basically a government's tool to whip out whenever it wants people to attack the west. During the 80s to up until 2010s, when China was trying to attract western money and technologies, the opium war was hardy used. Of course, now it's brought out of storage more and more, especially when the government wants to blame foreigners for the economic slow down.
To be fair, China isn't the only one to use some old history as scapegoats and excuses. An artist in Germany used a 20 year old tresty to become dictator and start a little war. The Soviets used the foreign intervention during the 1917 revolution. The vietnamese use the 1000 years of imperial China occupation. The African Americans still use slavery that ended 160 years ago...revanchism is a tool that has been used since ancient times. It's just more effective when you have full control of the media and can censor voices for reason.

This is a Hongkonger living in Beijing. Basically whether China would think of the UK as a "friend" is entirely political. However in recent years, due to the British stance in dealing with the Hong Kong problem, as well as national defense policy being provocative to Beijing, The Chinese attitude towards the UK is turning worse as well. But in my opinion, the mainland Chinese usually are quite hostile towards the "American and Western powers" (美西方) as a whole though, due to the US being allies with the EU and the UK. I can't deny that there might be some historical sentiment towards said "powers", but I can safely say that it's not the main reason why the mainland Chinese have patriotic grudges towards the West. Rather, the main reason is more towards the modern policies towards China (as well as Hong Kong's colonial past.)
(As a side note though, the British policy towards Hong Kong are being perceived as a long-arm jurisdiction of the British Empire, trying to cling to its colonial past and to secure its grasp towards Chinese soil. It's really not a good look for the UK, in the eyes of 1.4 billion mainland Chinese, as well as the pro-China half of the Hong Kong people.)

Exactly, they are still very sore about the ‘century of humiliation’. The CCP loves blaming others and they really love blaming the west. This allows them to act however they want until they are confronted, then they act like a victim. Then China took Hong Kong….so this whole political breakdown makes sense. I would have been surprised if the UK and China were ‘friends’ for long.

The EU really can do no wrong in a TLDR comment section

European history show otherwise.

@@georgiewalker5826 Funny you'd say that because I actually think they are wrong and that they should take a tougher stance on China. Sometimes, extreme measures are necessary. But I still know that, given how slow and measured the EU does anything, they're really moving away from China as fast as they possibly could.

There's a difference between moving away from and "hyper hawkish" as the video states, EU still doesn't ban US companies from dealing with China (like the US does with ASML) and EU doesn't have military beside China or signing defence clauses with all countries around China. To be clear I'm passing NO judgement on these policies but to say the EU is moving away from China but not 1 millionth of a percent as much as USA is exactly what the video is stating. The EU will still trade with China. And if the UK Labour and Trump in US wins then the UK will align back to the EU and follow it on this. As it will align and follow the EU more with time anyways.....

@@giantWario The EU couldn't get together to stop Serbian mass murder and rape camps. Why would they take a strong stance against China?

wow guess rishis super woke and progressive now he's off that china teat huh

@@porridgeramen7220
About as likely as Charlie abdicating in favour of Ginger.

@@porridgeramen7220 are u able to explain "woke"? :) - its just a fkn up words by smallminded people and used as catchphrase from the far rights.

Not just interested but as family

Nope

@@Finnbobjimbob are you replying to me or the main comment for a ask

@@lyalljunior975 Main comment

@@Finnbobjimbob ok no worries I thought we might start world internet war comment section in here 😂🤣👍

It doesn't, who says China cares?

Lots of Chinese trolls, trolling about China apparently not being bothered.
Remember when depicting an image of Winnie the Pooh was classed as a national security issue in China because Xi happens to be the spitting image of him. Yeah, I'm sure China isn't bothered about Britain.

What's the population got to do with anything? so china has a big population. Does that make them more important than anyone else?🤡
Btw you forgot to add the reduction from the wuhan virus as i see china suffered a lot even after the UK, etc, was at the stage of recovering😂

LoL, UK is one of the worlds three trillion dollar tech economies as well as a leading center for scientific & academic research second only to the USA. It pretty much invented most of the technologies the modern world you live in depends on & is the world leader in many fields such as fusion, AI, material sciences, bio science's & other advanced technologies. If you're going to send out spy's to commit espionage then the UK is top of your list.

@@TheTraveler2222 Shear scale of spy's China has committed to espionage in the UK tell's you all you need to know.

Face reality China already think west is enemy.

Opium War

Opium War

Brits are always a little delusional about their place and relationships in the world.

@@doc0core I did say "usually"

Allies think and do alike otherwise its not an alliance, together we are stronger and the strong will prevail

Revenge is a dish best served cold.. but only when you are vastly superior to your target in all the ways that matter. 😅

@@MeepMeepington-jz4hy I am pretty sure she/he used the word China not Chinese.

Except the riot kids in Hongkong, they thought it was the British who tried to stopped th eChinese govt on feeding the people with drugs. How educated these kids are.

As a Chinese lived in UK for over 20years. To be fair optium war is far less bad as Japanese. We do admit the weak country power at that time and bad government cause UK make the deal and ship drugs as a trade item. It may be a way UK did to obtain benefit but UK at that time had the biggest fist as US now. I really hope both countries can have a great relationship and UK could decoupling with US a bit and have her own decisions to benefit UK rather than just blindly follow America...Good relationship could bring way more economical benefit and reduce the effect of Brexit

@@HyperpigGaming obviously u were not brought up from a boarding school in the UK…..what u said is very kind of you, showing u hv a good heart. However, it somewhat tells me u r not seeing the real big picture at the top level conversation. Enslaving other countries and exploiting their labour and resources were the objectives of theirs. We were never viewed as one of them, Man U hv to wake up. Try getting their VP jobs or CEO jobs then u will know the Brits never treated us as equal.

when?

Chinese bot

@@frankleespeaking9519 你好，😂

​@@frankleespeaking9519 Its true, uk licks us balls

@@frankleespeaking9519 US bot

@@chongzhouliu7893 It took you a day to come up with that?

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...Ukraine is paying attention 👂

China's recent military -political Shenanigans? Surely you got that wrong right?

​@@TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy 9 dash line, India-China border...

They probably won’t reindustrailise UK , just shift the supply lines to friendlier countries in SE Asia.
PS, you can hire a Vietnamese for a month the price of $200

​@@TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy you think their overreach of Philippines sea territory is not political shenanigan?

Know what really is happening ... deshoring or shifting production .. is pure nonsense. In fact opposite is true.
Those who did do some offshoring are in fact mostly Chinese owned companies like going to mexico for the US markets. Nothing more.
If you see now the infrastructures China is undergoing , it will be the next miracle after the first miracle of China from dirt poor country to the top economy of the world even better than US...

No, just with the west and it's allies. And it's on purpose. China has learned from Khrushchev's policy of 'peaceful coexistence'.

And Russia too. Both are benefiting enormously from the popularity of social media platforms in the west as a means to normalise sympathetic views towards both the CCP and the Putin regime.
We shouldn't verbalise the prospect of conflict until the very last second when it becomes inevitable, but the Chinese-Russian alliance and their use of radicalisation tactics on social media is making some sort of confrontation all but inevitable at this point.
We can't trade / diplomacy our way out of this. Hopefully either china or Russia get tired of these regimes and mobilise to remove them, but there's not much hope of that happening.

@@tempejkl LOL! Tell that to the member states of ASEAN! Africa is catching a wake up too. It's the only the MIddle Eastern countries and one or two basket case Latin American states that are buy China's crap.

Everyone?
U need to go back to school!

"and its allies"
I.e most of Asia and all the ordinary Africans they've alienated
What's "wolf warrior" diplomacy all about?

Because there was no cyber threat. Its made up to justify the sanctions

Someone with a shorter stick up their jacksie

All of china's neighbors hate them

All of china's neighbors have problems with china

All of china's neighbors dislike china

Xhina is surrounded by countries who have problems with them

It’s not a thing. It’s a fantasy of a small group, not something any nation is interested in pursuing.

It was already unlikely to happen but with Boris out for years now it's practically impossible. He's really the only one whom might have been able to make progress towards it

@@mappingshaman5280 I think on the Uk side there isn’t much hope but in places like Australia or Canada both ministers have talked about support
Dunno if future UK PM or NZ PM would be supportive of the idea

@@lachief237 i mean its a semi solution to the eu, but sadly it doesnt gain much support, its a good idea though, most people brush it of a neo imperial pipedream, but its rather about the uk strengthening its ties withi ts power bloc (ie; uk, us, canada and new zealand) but it has come to fruition with things like aukus and five eyes and hopefully more things come forward in the future, we need to move away from the us dominance and canzuck is definately a solid idea for that.

@@vector246 But only the UK is looking for a solution to the Brexit problems that it created for itself. Canada, Australia and New Zealand don’t perceive that as an issue that needs resolution.
Five Eyes existed with a UK in the EU for decades, so it’s not needed for that. AUKUS involves the USA, so CANZUK would confuse things if anything.
1) The UK advocates of CANZUK predominantly come across as hankering for old empire, which might sell the idea to the English, but is actively unappealing to other countries, as it’s obvious they would expect the UK to be the preeminent partner.
2) The UK has demonstrated that it’s a selfish treaty partner that can’t be trusted not to bitch and leave if it gets unhappy. Nobody would be rushing to sign an EU-like treaty with the nation that just left the EU after decades complaining about it. Smaller cooperative agreements are much more palatable.
3) CANZ have all had major waves of non UK migration. How would politicians sell putting the (white majority parts of) empire back together to people who don’t have any fondness for that idea?

China's property bubble is collapsing the value of all those assets

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp
that is pure rubbish . It does not work that way .
the property bubble is China's way to correct the speculation and the value is hardly measure to China's real wealths ...
I dont think you know economics nor China's economy.
It is like saying a rich Chinese with properties all over the country and the world and some of its properties in a little town collapsng that rich man is collapsing and all his factories ,infrastrutures around entire China is collapsing.

5:30 probably should be "affected"

Прежде чем требовать что то у Китая, сначала отрастите себе яица. Через 99 лет, великобритания будет синонимом развала и нулевого влияния. Хотя....уже 😂

@@villigutvilligut4201 Через 99 лет люди к востоку от озера Байкал будут говорить только по-китайски, а не по-русски. Буряты, якуты и т. д., если они еще будут существовать, будут этническими меньшинствами в Большом Китае.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India, Israel, South Korea and many more!

God damn, was this the message of this video? Europeans sure are delusional...

No the US told uk to jump and the 51st done a backflip

TLDW: Britain acted like Washington's Vassal.

@@skp8748 Try again comrade and this time ask for more than fifty cents.

@@pr0newbie Britain has historically been much more of a global leader than china.

Opium Wars

@@alanc457 yeah and China took back hong Kong

China pre existed mythical west by 15000 years .
West doesn't even exist now . Which country is named west b?

Naa, india is a reasonable friend and trading partner for the UK unlike china.

@@robertjohn6585 i get it totally. But since sunak took office, the trade deal with india which was supposed to happen as promised by his predecessors david and boris, is going nowhere. Also given the fact that labour who are traditionally anti india are set to win general elections this time, i can only see relationship getting deteriorating

@@sumukhshankarhegde2853 i agree and it's a real shame because china is the real threat and we should be trying to bring india closer to the west not alienating them.

Okay CCP bot China is a in a terrible economic situation that doesn’t see any improvement western investors and investment is leaving in droves China is a huge bubble slowly bursting only a full would think China is a positive force

So you'll know how absolute hatred of Britain is inculcated through the education system and the "century of humiliation" neurosis

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp I would say it's more a hatred of Japanese (on account of the atrocities of WWII), and a general distrust of British/Western powers (as you rightly said).
My lived experience is that people will give you a variety of stares in public, but once you initiate a conversation, and say you're from the UK, 99.9% of people will continue to be very friendly.

@@MightiiNinja They've ramped it up in recent years. My university students regularly dragged up the Old Summer Palace and before I left they all had to go to mandatory lectures on "European aggression"
Have you read "The invention of China" by Bill Hayton? He deals with how the narrative of the "century of humiliation" has been continually changed and abused to suit the CPC
My lived experience was that agreements were meaningless and they would mess you around about money and that was why in the end I left

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp It is a shame, the sins of us British are always highlighted the world 'round, yet the sins of others are conveniently forgotten. I've had many interesting debates with my wife about this subject.
Sounds like an interesting read, thanks for the recommendation. It certainly seems like the current and convenient policy.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's hard enough to do good business with your own people, nevermind people from different cultural backgrounds.

@@MightiiNinja Is she Chinese?
Of course this is a relatively new phenomenon - if the British were so terrible why did 56 former colonies voluntarily join the Commonwealth straight after independence? It's just part of the psychological warfare that comes with globalisation and the endless assault on national identity. The neurotic Chinese could never listen to what we have to on a daily basis
Thanks for your kind remarks

As long as Ian Duncan Smith lives
UK can never be free

Hypocrite, tell that to every nation doing business with china, how's Sir Lanka doing?

@@weeguy52 did China influence Sri Lanka’s government, regime change or have a military base situated there?

@Tdzzz450 maybe look into first and YES obviously, but china doesn't need a military base as they know sir lanka will do exactly what they say and even if sir lanka refuses it's not like they can do anything about it and putting a military would easily cause india to take drastic action even know china would like one there
Do you think those 2 other ways you mentioned is the only way to gain power and influence? Why do you think china offers loans at so low interest or terms? Terms other countries wouldn't offer? It's a debt trap duh and is still as effective as a regime change or military base
China can't use force unless it's too much weaker nations like the Philippines etc until america gets their military bases up and running, that is and china knows Western aid is very unlikely to happen for sir lanka

​@@weeguy52why don't u ask imf that question ?

​@@weeguy52doesn't work . Imf has 50% of sri Lanka debt 😂😂😂

Why i don't comment much anymore. KRplus is horrendous for it.

Yes with CIA bots

See what i mean.

@@manishgrg639 Russian bots actually, like you

@@manishgrg639True. They have recently been caught doing it IN china itself. They used bots on the Chinese internet to spread misinformation and propaganda during the Trump years. They also used bots to try to incite a fake colour revolution in Cuba, but this was met with pro-government counter protests. They aren't very good at their jobs.

Worht it! 😂

Haha! this is hilarious. The most Hostile nation on this planet is the USA, with its endless Wars and Death to Profit from. Hopefully one day you can expand your mind rather than being stuck in the Western mindset bubble.

And ironically, even the Russian people don't like them, despite what the government says.

More BS from the uneducated. I suggest you travel and if you have, open your eyes while you're travelling.

a pure load of rubbish and nonsense which I can easily demolish every sentence in a fly ...
ahahahahha kid's knowledge of China .

and...how is the west doing with the Istrael/Palestine? ist that inhumane to let a whole population starve? its the first time in history that is happening and we consider ourself just and moral?...

Especially after they find alternative financial systems that make British banks redundant

This is a risky strategy for China.
If successful, this strategy is relatively unstable for power projection compared to developing alliances if your ability to maintain control is disrupted - nations which formerly feared you will simply distrust you and seek to align themselves with your rivals. This happened to the former Warsaw Pact states as the Soviet Union collapsed and they subsequently rushed to join NATO, and this happened to much of Africa as China grew capable of competing with the US and many African nations, distrustful of US neocolonialism, aligned themselves with China.
If not successful, this strategy just makes much of the world see you as a threat and align themselves with your rivals to counter you. This happened to Germany and Japan during the Second World War as an enormous alliance was created to crush them, and this is happening to Russia right now as their invasion of Ukraine severely underperformed and has isolated Russia and driven further NATO expansion.
It’s interesting that you cited Britain, since its empire collapsed once the UK was too indebted from the Second World War to hold its empire together by force.

@@KingCreeper-1026 noted, west is making wars, not china. for the past few decades, you ppl started war all over the planet, yet you are saying we are the problem. only you guys can have security and security concerns? we don't? how dare you! look at the vote in the UN about russian-ukrian war and isreal. who is isolated by the world. or in your eyes the world is just your 'golden on billion' ppl

@@KingCreeper-1026 also if you feel threatened , wonderful. that's how us 3rd world ppl felt in the past 200 years. welcome to the other side of the world, we have been working for it and expecting you

@@andrewcloudy I’m speaking from a pragmatic standpoint that power projection through rule by fear is less stable than power projection through mutually beneficial alliances.

@@KingCreeper-1026 mutual beneficial, that’s interesting,when you guys is having the advantages, everything is open market and free trade, once we gained a bit upper hands, now it’s all national security. It’s not mutual beneficial when you westerners write all the terms. It’s not world order based on rules when you guys r the only one making those rules. That’s hypocrisy at its best

As usual the neurotic Chinese love to criticise but can't take any in return

Similar people and similar culture. Of course we are going to aline with each other for most things

​@@dannylive3000no you just puppet

@@user-jc2wc9nu3e 'Consigliere' would be a better description than 'puppet'. It was Britain that pushed for the Libyan intervention and for a harsher response to the Houthi and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

​@dannylive3000 No, UK doesn't have a say in anything. It just obeys whatever US tells them.
Invasion of Iraq on a lie. Spaffing trillions on Afghanistan over 20 years! Stripping out 5G so now it still has terrible coverage even a lot of developing countries are miles ahead.

The UK is not in the EU

Dude brexit was a thing

In NATO.​@@metamind411

@@metamind411 Correct, still in this case both the UK and the rest of EU act in the same way.

America made China what it is today

How is it like that time?

There is nothing with China's treatment of Uighurs😅

It basically started with Xi's second term and consolidation of power. Before Xi there was reason to be optimistic. Now you can write-off China for the rest of his life. Then China has to hope for a new Deng Xiaoping to follow Xi's new Mao and start all over, this time without the industrialization boom. Those prospects are bleak.

Do you know anything about Xinjiang and the Uighurs? There are separatists and terrorists in Xinjiang who don’t want the province to be a part of China. Do you care about the Kurds/Turkey or Palestinians/Israel where 30,000 have been killed in Gaza.

​@@Dept246Actually, yes. Everyone knows about Gaza right now and the Kurds have been trying for the whole state thing since the first World War. Also, the Kurds are effectively split between four countries, Turkiye, Syria, Iraq and Iran and they have psuedo-autonomous territories in the middle two.

@@Dept246 Terrorists make up a very small minority of Xinjiang population. Do you really think China would set up "education" camps if 8 million Xinjiangans were terrorists? No, the PLA would have a really hard time dealing with them.

The truth you spoke Is hard for ordinary British to accept let alone their politicians who don't care about their National interest. In reality, UK was the one starting the recent process. Remember Huawei? Now they clearly say what they lied and did was to stop Huawei's dominance In telecommunications. Evidence? People already forget it after being brainwashed with National security. Anyway, All of so called allies of US are sinking now because of US's selfish policies which they deserve

opium distributors & peddlars were Chinese triads & Qing dynasty officials. it’s all very well documented.

opium distribution was controlled by chinese. similar to fentanyl today, its all chinese.

We haven't forgotten the Korean war, what's your point?

Because like the females they are they love to drag things up from the past and yet forget how Britain helped defeat the Japanese for them and handed over a global trading hub in HK worth 177 bn dollars per year in 1997
How are the Chinese going to explr their role in fentanyl and crystal meth trafficking? If they're so moral

​@@justonecornetto80
What was the U.K doing in Korea?

Yes.

Size matters