2024 Ineos Grenadier Review: A New, Old $80,000 SUV

Same

I want that so bad lol

Nailed it. 100%. This is SICK!!!

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

Yeah Idk what Doug is thinking lol

I saw this truck on the street going to the grocery store. I thought it was the old defender with new paints at first but then the more I looks I realized it wasn’t a defender but something different

Yes we want everyone’s reaction to coming inside to be “oooh, what does this button do” and then we swat their hand and say don’t touch that

Yes! Give me all the buttons! I don't want to fiddle with a touch screen to locate the diff lock in some stupid menu.

In an old school offroader yes it's cool and functional, not in an normal cars/suv. Just remember how cluttered the dash and center panel of early 2010's porsche cayenne/panamera was and probably it will twice busier with today car features.

@@ardijanuar2036 yep….and I love it! More buttons than a Vector W8 and just as ridiculous. But you know what? I DIG IT.

This.

Yet this feature would be great for every vehicle. Cars are getting too intimidating today.

Yet it looks hideous

My 2016 VW has a secondary toot horn, alas it's only for the alarm notification.

You mean, because the AMG F1 team is as slow as a bicycle?

In fact it looks like an Airbus upper panel

Nicest interior in production today. Seriously.
Screens are so obnoxious.

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

So What? He can do whatever he likes. The UK never got a proper Brexit due to Pro-EU luvvies. The EU isn't doing well especially in the likes of Germany at the moment. Finally, the global trade for the EU is in decline at 13%. Brexit was meant for the UK to do something different instead of going down with the sinking EU. @@julianevans9548

@@julianevans9548 sounds about right.

Very Lamborghini esque story. I would rather buy this than a land rover.

100%@@John-du2mq

This guy is obviously a legend for planning its inception while at the pub.

Why would Land Rover deny anyone service on the basis that the car is discontinued?

@@hugolafhugolaf it costs money to keep their mechanics and technicians trained with all the documentation, spare parts and tools needed to service older cars. Some companies still do this regardless, like the Porsche commercial, but not JLR apparently.

Give it a few years and they'll be at that price. 70k ish MSRP right now.
My Dad works at a dealership that sells them, I got a free Ineos T-Shirt from the man himself. These things are a sweet ride. Performs like a 120k Defender, without the horrible maintenance costs (Land Rover being part of Jaguar can explain their price tags+maintenance)

@@TisrokIs that 70K pounds or US dollars? Doug was saying about $80 K US which is not cheap but a lot of crappy American made pick up trucks are $80K. Ford's stuff is pretty good but GM and Dodge makes pretty bad pickups. Still, pickup trucks for $80k is crazy. Many have turbos too which is another potential problem.
I am amazed that this Grenadier can get everything done with a non turbo straight 6 BMW which is a rock solid powerplant.

@@NormanStansfield1 the grenadier uses the BMW B58 engine which is a turbo charged 6 cil engine. A good one to be fair.

My 23 pickup was 68. When my lease is up I might look at something like this!

exactly, and specifically that everything can be actuated easily while wearing gloves

Overhead switches hit your head if you are off-roading. In a plane you wear a harness.

@@fraserwright9482 that really isn't an argument. Most people aren't tall enough to hit the Grenadier's headliner while sitting, and people are strapped down with seatbelts.

@@floofy117 not nearly as often when offroading.
regardless, its idiotic

​@@floofy117the same case also ever happening to one of SEAT Cordoba owners.

God i hate these simplistic interiors like teslas, they are just cold, souless and boring

@@Herkulez1981 imagine your Tesla is in an accident, you lost that one big screen that literally controls everything in your car
Now you cant even change gears in your Tesla or put it in reverse 🤡
Advanced Technology ❌
Cost cutting ✅

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 That's my thinking as far as warning lights cluster - in 15-20 years there will be no way of fixing infotainment screen- Grenadier will happily display all needed data using LED lamps.

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 that's why you have buttons to change gears in teslas

@@mazatlan79P yes that specific part with all warning lights at one place was very clever and unique!

It's lovley but unrefined, I sat in one. Very cool but not worth the price, it feels cheaper. An example of it not being refined is that none of the infotainment works unless the key is in, which is not the norm

Weird. I also live in colorado and just watched a video about synchronicity. What are the chances?

*ALSO* complaining about having to climb up into the back seats... that's a feature not a bug. They expect you to have rock sliders fitted that act as a step.

right? that array of buttons look cool af and fits the car perfectly

Exactly what I was going to talk about... Doug : looks like a jet aircraft cockpit ....
Yeah... why are you trying to say it like it's a bad thing?
I just want one right now!
Lol

AMG Hammer had a similar amount of Buttons, back then called spaceship interior 😂
I love it

He's so inconsistent on small aspects. He says in one review a car needs more buttons and too much is integrated in the screen, then here an off-road truck intentionally uses more buttons so you don't have to dig through a screen mid-trail and suddenly he's saying "This is why you don't want all of these" like huh? I've watched Doug for years and he flipflops constantly on if he likes certain things on a dime. Like the Bronco has almost this many buttons but because this is setup in an intentional way style wise it's CRAZY and TOO MUCH, I just don't get it.

A fighter jet has a glass bubble. So no overhead buttons 🤓👆

Um, modern cockpits are almost entirely MFDs -- screens.

Exactly! Also i want the mini flippy switches they use in jets. Those that go dink dink dink, when you flip them!

Like, everybody!

@@krinos1 lol button and switches are so perfect for this car regardless of bubble cockpit jet fighter stigmatized comment you had lol no hate I’m sure you were joking around.
But yeah this car is surely not a jet fighter it’s a jet bomber with a bmw b58 platform. And I know that motor has more then enough aftermarket support. Soooo tbh this car is so cool for its place in the market in my opinion.
Also had no idea of it until doug dropped this

A “toot” button is a great idea and 8 year old me thinks “toot” is synonymous with “fart” which is also great and totally hilarious 🤣

Exactly, there's a reason aircrafts don't have screens everywhere

@spideypete9749 They actually do now, although still lots of switches and buttons as well

He's getting fat, too.

I agree on the bmw shifter though, I’ve sat in one of these grenadier’s and the bmw shifter is just odd. I understand why they did it though

Right? It looks like an aircraft cockpit because they specifically wanted it to look like one, not because its a problem related to physical switches. Its a cool, very deliberate, design choice

Doug's losing his touch.

​@@galactictomato1434why Demuro lost his touch btw?

"Laid out right in front of you"
On the ceiling 😅

A screen is literally right in front of you. In all modern cars lmao.

@@ImARealHumanPerson Yes, but not the functionality. You don't have to enter a sub menu to activate downhill assist, diff locks or some other "less used" functionality like other cars might do.

@@ImARealHumanPerson did you notice which buttons were placed on the ceiling though? They were all buttons for stuff that you probably aren't gonna use that often. Thus giving more room for more frequently used switches in front of you. Like I said, it's all laid out for easy access

The 2024 INEOS Grenadier is as expensive as Lexus IS F imo.

Seriously, how out of touch is he here? Why would we want cost-cutting crap like screens when we could have real buttons and knobs?

And double the price....

@@petayV8 Yeah but less than new defenders (and way better) and half the price of G Wagon

Double the price of a defender? Uhh... Have you seen how mucha defender sells for? ​@@petayV8

It's actually what Land Rover themselves should have built. I'm very impressed by the car. I don't plan to buy a vehicle like this, but if I were, the Ineos would be in my top 3 list.

I had a Defender 110 TDI for 12 years (until 2007) doing research in Kenya and Tanzania. Not expensive (except for frequent bush replacement), always got me home, def livable! krplus.net/bidio/pclvqX1ig3qZfXY

I’m a huge fan of these already. The B58 has proven reliability and performance and I think Ineos’ choice will pay in huge dividends later. I love the “aircraft cockpit” feel to the buttons. If these were in my price range I would buy one tomorrow. Hopefully will be able to pick one up in a few years on the used market

Dead right. I own a Fieldmaster, and the opportunity for some analogue dials (maybe reminiscent of a WW11 fighter cockpit?) is indeed a lost opportunity. The centre sceen, by the way, is a nightmare for reflection and unreadible in bright sunshine.

this.

I was confused when I saw the title, had me like "aren't they a pro cycling team?" hahah

You beat me to it lol

Yep, the conceived in the Grenadiers pub blurb is rubbish

You beat me to the Ineos Grenadier explanation. It is odd, however, that a company that makes a retro SUV also sponsors a pro cycling team. BTW, I absolutely love all the switches. Brilliant concept!

Ever try to use a touch screen with gloves on? He does not strike me as the familiar with hard labor type.

​@BryanPike smooth hands... no doubt about it. Now he's gone full blown "outta touch millionaire." 😢

@@boomhaueroo8703 Doug's the type of guy who buys a Carrera GT and a Countach and then sells 2 of his SUVs to "simply his life".

This comment makes no sense

@@RubyRoks lol

It has a B58 and a ZF 8 speed...

@@iparty98 That's engine and transmission, which are commonly shared amongst many different manufacturers like the new Supra that uses the same config. I'm talking switches, door handles, mirrors, etc. There's a lot of bespoke components to this $80,000 SUV, whereas a new Maserati with cheap Chrysler parts costs way more than that.

@@RECE4ER Very true, cheers🍻

@@iparty98 To you as well 🍻

Most Land Rovers had borrowed parts from BMW/Ford. All of the cars under the VW, Stellantis, GM, Ford, Toyota groups also all share parts. The point being nearly every car on the road has some sort of parts sharing. It can be viewed in 2 ways. The first way if negatively being that its not bespoke or high quality. The second way is positive and that sharing parts means higher availability, easier to repair and cheaper to maintain.

You HAVE to give the rest of us mortals some cool Pilot stuff to say as we’re fiddling with the buttons. One of these days my wife is going to wake up hearing “Danger Zone” being played loudly in the garage in the middle of the night while I’m randomly flipping switches in the Grenadier, wearing my kids gaming headset and saying gibberish like “niner niner what’s your vector coming in on final approach,” so you have to help us out on the lingo. I should also probably grow a mustache.

The interior buttons and switches look awesome! Very airplane inspired.

@@volvo09 it is so cool, and I almost want one just for the switches 😂

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

@@julianevans9548 👍

​@@julianevans9548can't tell if you're bitching about this or praising this ,, just sounds like a good business decision, one allows you to build the vehicle at all the other doesn't

Rolls Royces and other brands used by the well heeled country set would have two horns with different levels of tonal insistence, but they used to be termed "town" and "country".

Right?

It’s to do with the Ineos Grenadier cycling team.

Town and Country horn; only in Britain lol

I've seen a "Telly" button.

Recirculating ball steering just like original military humvees.

Because it has a iPad dash. Not reliable to have computers control a truck. Better to refurbish a old land rover. Or gut one of these and put in a Carburetor V8 with analog gauges.

@@kendall959 Lol computers control every vehicle nowadays, doesn't mean it's not reliable

@@kendall959 But I agree on the ipad. I prefer analog gauges as well.

it sucks lol

Also easy to operate with gloves on or with dirty hands

@@ondrej1112 I wonder if you can hose down the interior. The original 1970 Range Rover was designed so you could 🙂

The last thought is people with “dexterity issues”

@@bizzzzzzleyeah but it’s 2024 so a company could easily say it was

Also the fact that all vehicle-related features are in fixed positions, easy to reach, and require no more than one step to activate/deactivate. They're grouped conveniently so when you know where a cluster of features are, you can easily predict which other features are in each cluster without having to search the whole cabin (or worse, dig through countless menus in a screen).
This is screen+button layout done right. Screen should be saved for screen-benefitting features like phone integration, maps, reading vehicle data, etc. Stuff that would be too complicated to present with analogue means.
I'd probably provide a beefier cpu/drive for the screen electronics so it doesn't feel like a bad quality 2013 nav system, but hey at least you could still use 95% of the vehicle without ever having to bother with the screen in the first place.

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

Renault used to have a “city horn” and a “country horn.” in some of their cars. IIRC you’d pull the stalk for the city, and push for country.

​@HFV_Junkyardin mercedes had that too. I think there was a switch on the dash for it

Fit a semi or train horn to your car, use the normal horn for friendly _toots_ and the deafening one for jerk drivers.

What about those cool rims.

And old-school 90s Japanese tuners like MR2 and RX7

Would like to see another guy bring back humvee for civilian market not this secretive humvee series

And had Magna Steyr,who built the G Wagon, start on a whole new fresh slate with best of breed components.

just a copy

So many automakers started when the founder had a FU moment against someone else. Ferruccio Lamborghini for example, or William Durant at Chevrolet.

He backed the UK's Brexit plan, then moved production to France.

@@gasgasman230Yep, he found out fast about manufacturing and being inside or outside the EU.

Where do you normally see Rovers? I'm astonished to think that any number of them have been kept to the current day.

What kind of dealer? 🤨

@@biodrummindieseler Drug dealer, probably

Or get the new land cruiser, this thing doesn't even have a proper power steering and it's probably unreliable

@@caidee It has a B58 BMW engine mated to a ZF transmission. Those are in vehicles for almost 10 years. I really doubt that the reliability would be a concern here.

@@LAndrewsChannel Yeah but take other factors in consideration, maybe they altered the engine with aftermarket parts etc..also I would still take the new Land Cruiser or lexus GX over this any day

@@caidee They are still using BMW's shifter, I really doubt they modified the engine more than tuning it for offroading so, again, reliability is not a question for their setup.
As for LC and GX, those are big SUVs, not proper offroaders unlike this car. Choosing them over this one means that you don't need a proper offroader rather than those being better vehicles.

Is the steering as bad as reviewed.

@@tonybooth4I took delivery a few weeks ago. Steering is fine, road feel is fine, off-road is a religious experience. It’s not a SUV - it’s a full time 4x4 truck. So no, it doesn’t have independent suspension and rack and pinion steering - it’s solid axle with recirculating ball steering. It doesn’t “wander,” but no, it doesn’t recenter after a hard turn. You just turn it back. People use terms like “it means business,” or “unflappable.” It’s not sloppy, but it serves a specific purpose. One thing I would add is it doesn’t feel compromised on the road - some of these feel like you’re riding on the edge of sanity. This is way more composed on road.

That is amazing, I am going to wait another year or so before buying one. It would definitely compliment my scat pack in looks.

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc OK it was just a common theme that the lack of rack and pinnion steering box was a problem however if you are happy that's all good, there is a hard core off road guy in Australia who reviewed it who is very popular you may want to look him up

it's being filmed in the subterranean cars and bids bunker, buried 7 stories below the San Diego harbor

@@johnteal2016 actually it’s 1819 Main St. 😆

Warning triangles aren't a bad idea, especially in low visibility if you break down. You could even store one there too.

It’s also for the engine to breathe and Dusty trails with vehicles in front of you stirring up Dusty Trail

The sole purpose is to boost the undersized self-esteem quotient of the people who bought one. They do nothing for performance, in fact they hinder it. Marketing nonsense

If water could get in, then why couldn't dust?

@@greatPretender79 precisely. It's just an overpriced option to make small people feel important

@@kevinbarry71 it's not to boost performance, it's just to allow the vehicle a chance to get relative cleaner air on a dusty trail when driving behind other vehicles. It's expensive for sure and most likely not necessary for most people, but for the people that spend a lot of time in remote dusty roads a raised air intake helps the vehicle to breathe better and prevents the air filters from getting clogged up so quickly as they would with a stock intake in those conditions. That's all. As you said it's an option so the vehicle as standard doesn't have it equipped so you don't need to complain about it if you don't like it. There will be people who equip it just for the esthetics of it and that's their own choice and their own money it doesn't affect you

Screens are better, you old people are weird

​​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 No, they arent you fool. Its distracting and unintuitive to have to use it for basic media and climate controls.
You still can have a touch screen just like it has, while having all important controls made physical.
Tesla's approach is just braindead and just like cancerous practices of Apple spread like wildfire among laptop and smartphone brands, same thing happens woth brands mimicking the worst of what Tesla is doing.

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 sure, screens are better if you suck on fluoride on a daily basis and have never understood aesthetic beauty. I'm 25 so you must be like 14 if you think only 'old' people prefer better interior design.

​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Dude, no

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 I'm 27. Give me the large and clearly labeled buttons.

Good try for marketing promo but reality is like this: krplus.net/bidio/gdeDeqNkmWS8mqgsi=DrenisFxJAlS5Qv0
To maintain clarity and objectivity, I've refrained from sharing my personal experiences, which are decidedly not in favour of the Grenadier.

@@australia-ukraine , OK, I’ll bite. First of all you did present your personal input assuming I am doing some sort of marketing promo which is utterly incorrect. I only expressed that as a first iteration of the intention of an entirely new model introduced in this modern automotive marketplace as a first attempt as an entirely new auto manufacturer on a global scale is pretty damn impressive. Never did I even imply that there was no room or reason to express disappointment in any of the outcomes relevant to certain aspects of the product or the process of after sale support. In the video you use as the example of what appears to be the substitute for your impressions of dissatisfaction with the Grenadier, the final conclusion is that the owner still enjoys and appreciates the vehicle for what it’s intended to encapsulate as its design intention. In any new automobile model introduction there are always glitches to be expected to redesign in order to correct the inevitable design flaws that will emerge as the ever expanding use case scenarios unfold. In this instance of there additionally being an entire global support network created, there will additionally be the issues that surround the quite bold predictions of expedited support should there be any problems experienced by those that purchased the Grenadier in this first iteration and especially using it in its assumed most extreme circumstances. I never stated these issues wouldn’t have occurred or even assumed so. To me this has always been quite obvious until the company finds which avenues as the most appropriate and reliable. I tend to believe Ineos as a company that has put forth a substantial effort to create this effort with a $billion+ investment is taking quite seriously in order to narrow the opportunity for the naysayers to remark on in an attempt to take away from the perception of the Grenadiers viability in delivering the performance for which it’s intended. That’s the nature of cutting down on the actual vehicle itself without appreciating the effort behind its creation and manufacturing execution to begin with.
I have no connection with Ineos outside of simply being impressed with the sort of commitment and effort involved in bringing such an idea to market with an actual vehicle that so closely matches what it was intended to achieve. But did I ever believe that a brand new auto manufacturer be able to land a vehicle on the ground into the global marketplace designed as a seriously utilitarian off-road intention that would also be acceptably compliant on-road with an entirely new distribution and support network and NOT experience any issues in both component reliability and support network issues overall?? Seriously?? Of course not. That would be foolishly unrealistic. I certainly don’t discount your opinions because what you are alluding to are things that to me were inevitable given the grand nature of the undertaking. But am I impressed by what Ineos has been able to achieve at this point given those same circumstances? Absolutely. Without question. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

I’m sick of both of these

"limited edition" is the car you build when you need to get rid of all the old left over bits and pieces from earlier "limited edition" runs.

@@jacobyo99 ikr. I like the cars but they are basically same as the base with some extra goodies on it. lol the only different ones are the rally/offroad versions which are truly limited. The rest are just minor changes.

Over complicated engine and drivetrain from a company with questionable reliability. I’ll stick with a Land Cruiser. This thing exists to stoke rich people’s egos

@@batterybuilding the B58 and ZF-8 are far from being over complicated. They are world class, proven mechanical components. It also has old school solid axles. This vehicle is far less complicated than anything else it compares to right now. I trust it more than the latest Land Cruiser.

@@batterybuilding The B58 and the new ZF boxes are ultra reliable. They are one of the main reasons why BMW is once again at the top of reliability rankings. It is probably the most reliable engine currently produced.

@@maximeparent3004 theres much more to an engine than mechanicals. Their weak link is the german electricals

@@HipsterEstonian which rankings would that be?

Yes and Trials refers to the sport of Motorcycle Trials (extreme off road) which the jacket is eminently suited to

Yeah a small but telling detail that 99.9% of people will miss. Unless you know what the ISDT or SSDT or Doing the Ton are or saw early pics of Steve McQueen off-road racing. Nice catch even though ima Barbour guy.

I didn't realise Belstaff is a fashion brand now. I had a nylon one when I rode a motorcycle in the 1970s as I couldn't afford leathers 🙂

As others have pointed out, it's a geometry thing (caster), not a rack quirk. If the balls have so much drag that they stop self-centering, it means they're binding/overtightened.

I have read that they chose that set up as it is better for off-roading. Maybe you could explain why.

Yeah, they nailed it with the styling.

will you buy me one dad

​@@kleanish when you are a bit older son...

@@volvo09 *just turned 29* Okay ☺

@@kleanish when you are 30

@@volvo09 okay Ill keep driving the s40 r-design you got me

What is the problem with hybrid cars, if it is done right (the toyota way) it can be very convenient for when you are not off road

@@eduardoizquierdo309 hybrids have the potential to be even better off road! If in electric only mode you can have the ultimate low end torque. This monstrosity isn’t about true off road ability anyway.

Not hybrid but there's potential in electric, specifically the ability to power and turn wheels independently without the use of a diff

@@eduardoizquierdo309 nothing is “wrong” with hybrids. I just want a free market where I can have the choice to buy a standard engine if I so desire one.