Clemson prepping to LEAVE the ACC? + The CFP-ESPN $7.8B Deal MISSING PIECE | College GameDay Podcast
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- 게시일 2024. 04. 26.
- In this edition of the College GameDay Podcast, Rece Davis and Pete Thamel dive into Clemson's lawsuit against the ACC - specifically how this impacts the future of Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina with the league, and whether or not ACC will even remain. They also get into how this affects less profitable football programs like Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and Indiana, then take time to underscore how important it is for programs like those to become more competitive in order to not get left behind. Plus, they shift their attention to the College Football Playoff - ESPN six-year $7.8 billion contract and question how it's fathomable that players aren't getting a cut of the pie. Lastly, Pete shares the news that Washington's Troy Dannen replaces Trev Alberts as Nebraska AD, and that Iowa's OT Kadyn Proctor is reentering the portal and rejoining Alabama.
0:00 Welcome!
01:02 Clemson Files Lawsuit Against ACC
03:45 Clemson’s Lawsuit Shifts Eyes To North Carolina
06:35 Salvaging the ACC Without Clemson and FSU
12:40 Clemson Files Lawsuit Against ACC
16:22 The Value That Is Unique To College Sports
27:30 CFP and ESPN Deal
31:30 Troy Dannen In As AD Nebraska
39:11 Kadyn Proctor Enters Transfer Portal
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ESPN reporting on itself here is weird.
Grant of rights is actually not an ESPN thing. It’s a silly ACC thing. ESPN’s contract with the ACC is separate and was only through 2026. ACC lied to the schools and got them to sign through 2036 under false pretenses.
😂
Podcast baby!!!!
ESPN is fueling all of this conference turmoil and they act "surprised" or report it as breaking news. 😂😂😂
ESPN - y'all have directly helped ruined college sports. Thanks.
Lol...Ruin college football? Lol...Arguably the DUMBEST thing I've heard
@@BBAKER22 Found the ESPN burner account
Tell people to stop watching then... 🤷♂️
@@BBAKER22they influenced college football yes they 100% ruined it stop acting like the Pac-12 died because of itself no it’s because of ESPN and Fox
@@derrickmarsh50 - I presume people are intelligent enough to know that they can vote with their wallet. So, I'm not sure why my comment is so controversial to you.
No one can believe fsu did this without a landing spot and I believe Clemson got their wink wink nod nod
“We’re in an era of chaos in college athletics…” - ESPN
Sometimes, the jokes write themselves.
Pretty sure Clemson wouldn’t be doing this without having a conference to join
Clem & FSU have already been talking to the 2 leagues behind closed doors best believe that...
WRONG
@@BBAKER22 wrong about what please explain
The haters really want Clem and FSU to just stay put and drown from the $40M a yr shortfall it's terribly obvious
@@abdulevans1838 BBaker is just a troll (for whatever reason). Defending ESPN is a strange hill to die on, IMHO. But for some people, you can't convince them of the facts even if it bit them in the face.
Kudos to these second tier SECPN shills for managing to stumble & bumble there way through all of this hyperbolic disinformation without ever disclosing the fact that their employer was/is primarily responsible for the entire realignment fiasco.
The UNC love is absurd from espn who devalues the acc on the daily
UNC =/= ACC. The conf as a whole sucks in football (the money maker). Its carried by 1-2 teams per year. Mainly Clemson and then either FSU/Miami. Now as for basketball, its phenominal conf, but doesnt draw the eyes (mainly till march madness).
@@derrickmarsh50check your numbers fsu is one then Clemson and then rest by a mile but even in fsu down years they kill Clemson in viewership. What are you looking at 😂
Basketball makes no money and drives nothing
Keep spitting facts Jen! Renegade Report baby! Let’s go! Where is George?!
@@derrickmarsh50The conference sucks in football? Why, yes it does because most of the schools just dabble in football, they aren’t serious about it and don’t need the money to remain competitive with the elite teams because they have never been competitive and never will be. OTOH, FSU is serious about winning and maintaining parity with the top teams which they can’t do in the ACC. They have to either get out of the conference or eventually end up being a Boston College. They have no intention of letting that happen to them.
Has ESPN never heard of conflict of interest? They wouldn't be covering this story if they had an ounce of journalistic integrity.
I loved ESPN for decades but now belief it just plains sucks.
Agree. I dumped my ESecPN subscription a couple years back as they contributed to destroying the college conferences. I had to ditch my sling TV streaming service because ESPN is in the package.
February 2025 ESPN decides if they will continue their relationship with the ACC or terminate their tv contract. The fact ESPN is not saying they are not interested in termination of the contract is telling.
Ding ding ding ding! You just hit the nail on the head! They didn't even remotely mention that clause, much less side step it. Just "wow, I'm surprised Clemson did this".
ESPN is hugely interested in keeping the deal bc they got it dirt cheap. Thats why the schools are now hating the deal. They put all their chips in a long term deal and it was a dumb move.
Kick rocks Rece…. We will never forget or forgive the snub…
Actually espn's agreement does NOT run until 2036. You know that statement is incorrect.
No way ESPN employees want to talk about a 2027 opt out.
All they did here was talk about ACC collapse sadness and their perceived lack of interest in FSU and Clemson by the Big 2.
No way the ACC was smart enough to get a chance at Texas
All of you owe FSU an apology.
nah, they're still slagging fsu in this broadcast for the "tone" of their lawsuit
63-3, we are so sorry.
@followthemoneyhoney it's as if we have laws in the state of Florida that forced us to do it that way.
@powell4661 duel at dawn, but your gun has no ammo and both of your hands are tied behind your back. Get lost, welfare queen.
@powell4661 how cute! The welfare queen is mad that the breadwinners cut off their trust funds.
These people making decisions don't give two craps about the fans because they think the fans will be there no matter what. Until the fans ban together and start disappearing these people won't change their way of thinking.
Wont happen. Regardless fans will watch. Football is just hugely growing.
@@derrickmarsh50 Why? I'm an Oregon State fan, and my team may as well have folded their entire program. What incentive is there for me to EVER watch another CFB game again? I'm not interested in watching my team play second rate opponents when I've seen them play the best of the best for my entire life, and I'm CERTAINLY not watching the schools and leagues that kicked us to the ground and spat on us. Every single OSU and WSU fan feels this way, and I promise you that every fan of the schools left out will respond similarly. Look at the NBA in Seattle. Sonic fans didn't just shrug and become Blazer fans, they abandoned the sport! Why? Because they resent the NBA for what they did. They HATE the NBA. They may keep casual fans for a time, but casuals are fickle and easily bored. Do you really think they'll be invested in Florida vs Indiana for the 957th time? Or Ohio State vs Alabama for the 20th straight year? People were sick of watching the Cavs and Warriors play, and they only played 3 times!
That inconsistency Clemson noted in the contract may or may not have legal legs -- I'm not a lawyer -- but just as a linguistic matter (I do have a degree in that), semantics-wise, there _is_ a contradiction there.
South Carolina and Florida might balk at Clemson and FSU joining the SEC, but ESPN holds the bag of money.
YEP! And at the end of the day if the SEC ever decides to trim the fat off the bottom, Vandy is first to go, and South Carolina is next on the chopping block along with Mississippi State...
FSU B1G forget the sec and espn
This ain’t the pros this amateur sports stop acting like slaveowners espn
@@antoniobaker7033more like indentured servitude, but yeah
@@meditatingmunky3824 I think they're going to tier the payments. Schools like Vandy will get 15% to 20% less and that money will filter to the top.
Why people are salvitating at the thought of the acc being destroyed smh
horrible officiating, horrible conference management, tobacco road corruption... what's not to love?
The ACC has screwed its members so royally that no team in the ACC has a hope of mattering in football over the coming era, so any fan of an ACC team that cares about football (FSU, Clemson etc.) desperately wants this awful conference to be destroyed so they can find a path elsewhere.
Cause they suck and equal pay other teams that suck worse and continue to only care about the teams that suck
@@lucasparham5068 I understand ACC teams needing to leave in hopes of being competitive. I just care less and less about college sports as realignment continues. I think I'll still enjoy the NCAA tourney but I'll probably skip the regular season and college football if the ACC collapses. I unsubscribed from Sling TV a couple of years because ESPN was part of the package.
"There is a soul and identity to that conference [ACC]" - LMAO - Rece's big $paycheck comes from ESPN that is helping to destroy college football for profit.
Its interesting that it is spoken like the SEC doesnt want FSU or clemson. They would rather have ND and UNC or even UVA... Its no secret ND is the prized jewel of all realignment. I personally think they belong in the BIG 10 and will end up there. But the thought the SEC would rather take UNC or UVA over FSU Clemson is mind boggling to me. Let me ask you this which games sound more appealing?
Clemson UGA, FSU Auburn, Clemson Tennessee, FSU LSU, Clemson BAMA, FSU Texas OR
UNC UGA, UVA Auburn, UNC Tennessee, UVA LSU, UNC Bama, UVA Texas......
I think it is NOT EVEN CLOSE who would draw more eyeballs! FSU LSU was one of the most watched games of the last 2 years. Clemson UGA will be highly viewed as well. AM didnt want texas... DIDNT MATTER! USC doesnt want clemson? Doesnt matter! Florida doesnt want FSU? DOESNT MATTER
It’s all spin - ESPN is the devil in all of this. Don’t kid yourself.
ESPN guys bad mouthing teams that want to leave the bad deal ACC made with ESPN.
Sorry your sucker deal isn’t widely respected guys.
48 teams. Two, 24-team conferences. Fourteen playoff spots. Everyone else outside is looking in.
and don't tell me these recent announcements just sprung up... these sorts of realignments are years in the planning. ESPN controlling college sports at this point
It could be the 2 leagues with 24 members each but as long as the other conferences take less revenue to be included, no reason to keep anyone out.
No thanks.
Lol..Arguably the DUMBEST thing I've heard
#1 football only forms new league, the rest of athletics who cares, #2 if only 48 teams, you do 8 teams make CFP. Rest not needed.
In one section of the discussion they speak with great understanding about coaches that transfer back and forth willy-nilly. Then, in practically their next breath, they are wound up by kids that transfer back and forth willy-nilly, saying "There must be rules! There must be a framework!". Fascinating.
Reese is absolutely right- ESPN is looking at money- they will eventually begin expecting top tier teams to play top tier teams and they will be lopping off the lesser teams... ESPN will be creating their own "leagues" and we will have teams playing for champinships that have 3 or 4 losses a year (much like the NFL)..
NIL is what defies logic, Pete!!
Speaking of the WAC. What happened? Where is everyone now?
The Fact is Teams in ACC and Big 12 are going to be making a lot less money than Big Ten and SEC. Which means they are looking like lessor Conference and it ability to compete at the highest level.
Greg Sankey the person who ruined college football and now trying to ruin March Madness.
I bet you think your parents ruined Santa, too!
Nobody is getting removed from the current B1G/SEC. You need the softer teams in a schedule to keep injuries from becoming a problem. A totally brutal schedule would kill your actual product.
Naw not true at all, the NFL is an all star league in itself. Injuries all the time and they make the most money. College football plays less games as well. Naw get rid of the bums and give the people the best product possible and we all will watch.
Most likely the two leagues separate from NCAA and just offer more scholarships. Then they will poach talent from the lower leagues.
if Clemson and fsu join the Sunbelt, would be great.
FSU and Clemson - We sold our soul short a few 100 hundred million and we are upset. We want to leave because we need the money to pay players to compete with the SEC.
The Bowden blip was these guys are very disrespectful!
Allow kids to have agents, allow kids to get paid by the schools, standardize the contracts for being paid (by the school/league) which means they are required to play for two years for freshman contract with x amount for your third year.give insurance guarantees. Players with a contract can’t transfer in those 2 years without paying a large percentage back. And ideally you back load for the big payout with clear milestones (like being a starter).
You can’t control nil but you can raise the bottom’s quality and stabilize those teams…. Some teams will pay more with nil but they will have a higher roster turnover… especially if good players keep getting replaced. Look at fsu and Ta&m…. Very little depth is sticking around, Clemson on the other hand has very little exodus… its two philosophies that could battle it out every year. New drama, lets go!
Paying players allow you to give stipulations. Get a player union together, let them negotiate stability, and players that sign contracts have guarantees and players that don’t can go where they want
Why don’t they field ‘B teams’ for all sports comprised of walk-ons for ACC competitions? Their A teams for all sports in SEC, B1G or independent? Is that possible? Meantime, slash the number of sports to manage all of this.
High-major conferences : Big Ten and SEC. Mid-majors : ACC/Big 12 (merger) and American/Mountain West (merger); Low-majors : Sun Belt/C-USA (merger) and MAC
One of the mid-majors is likely to be called the PAC-something.
@@cacogenicistnot mid-major. The PAC is dead and any recreation will be below P/A4 status and behind AAC and SBC and possibly MWC in the G5 pecking order. Truth not hate. Keep in mind ESPN and FOX have tons of content out west with the conferences they have now and CBS with MWC and BiG10 conferences. This notion the networks need the PAC recreated or whatever is false and grasping at mythological facts that are utter rubbish and fallacies. If the ACC reforms itself out of this but not recreate or rebuild but reorganize and reshuffle the alignment and membership, then WazzU and OzzU most likely would end up as part of the Westen Wing of ACC with 10 schools back East and all that stuff SMU and others did to be in the ACC becomes all for naught, lol 😅. Does Louisville and Pitt land in the Big12? Possibly but no guarantees. Does Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, and Georgia Tech end up going back to the AAC with some MWC schools added as well? Could be. If FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC are able to completely restructure the ACC but meet the 15 teams requirement for Olympic sports by keeping Notre Dame in for those, they could look like something of the following where they get way more than Big12 but still less than BiG10 and SEC but not as big of a gap from the top 2 conferences but still a gap.
Miami
FSU
Clemson
Wake Forest
Duke
NCST
UNC
VaTech
UVA
San Diego St
Stanford
Cal
Oregon State
Washington State
*Notre Dame* for Olympic Sports and still contractually obligated to join ACC before any other conference. I am not saying this will happen but would happen before a rebuilt or recreated PAC happens.
ESPN lucky the FTC hasn’t come thru and shut y’all fuques down
Illinois,INDIANA, NORTHWESTERN , Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Miss state, are on noticed
I think the students at these schools need to stand up and lead the ‘adults’.
Pete I think you’re wrong about college basketball . The regular season of college basketball has always been relevant . The season is relevant because every team including the mid majors have a shot. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a one bid league or a power 5 conference . The casual fan can’t name players because of the transfer portal/NIL etc admittedly . However the casual fan or fan/alum from a school still believes in the purity of the NCAA tournament. We can’t and have never been able to say that about College Football and I love the sport dearly as a former 1AA football player myself . College Football and College basketball are not the same and sorry but you can’t make that statement!
Quite frankly if football had a one and done like college basketball we wouldn’t be having these problems ….
I like how they said their best brand is Clemson lol yeah ok
Well... they kind of are. I mean, UNC, FSU, Miami, Duke... Yeah sure we all know those names, but Clemson is the standard of the ACC, and they are just as big if not bigger than all of those other brands. The biggest difference is Clemson has 2 national championships this decade where all of those other brands have to dig decades or point at other sports that don't push the needle like football does. Clemson IS the ACC's best brand that drives revenue RIGHT NOW.
Clemson is the brand of the ACC make no mistake about it 💯!!
IF and this is a big IF......the ACC wants to survive, then they need to restructure the tv revenue sharing.
FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Miami, VT and UVA should receive at least $15,000,000 each more than the other schools because, the simple fact is that those schools bring in more tv views, more merchandise sales, etc.
If the ACC would do this, it would satisfy those 7 schools (at least temporarily) and keep the conference afloat for a little while longer.
i’d swap out UVA for Duke. Duke may not be a top tier football school but they are a blue blood in college basketball. Notre Dame should get a piece of that money too.
@@markjackson6431 The reason I didn't put Duke in there is that they weren't apart of the 7 schools that started this conversation last year.
In early 2023, those 7 schools had approached this conversation before and all 7 of them basically said the same thing.......that they should get more money from the tv deal because they bring in more than the others.
@@bradleybowles7979 Duke is tied with UNC so whatever happens to them must happen to the other. plus, Virginia just got spanked on television last night and stink in football and baseball so they might as well leave lol
That still doesn't put them on par of the other conference schools they're competing against. They're going to need $80 million per year to compete. It's impossible to compete with the likes of the SEC and B1G even with a $15 million increase. Tennessee just spent $14 million on a quarterback alone.
the entire point of this rearranging into a P2 is to concentrate the tv revenue into fewer hands. i doubt ESPN or fox care about the now secondary conferences. they'll give them minimal tv deals and profit if any of those schools break out
I didn't care when FSU wanted to leave, they never fit in the ACC anyway and I was against the ACC's expansion in the early 90's. But Clemson? They're founders and I do care about them leaving. For me, this is the end of the ACC. It would be like UNC leaving the ACC, that's how devastating this is for those of us that grew up when the ACC was 8 schools.
UNC already said they want to leave too.
If you would’ve cared about schools wanting out, there was time when the landscape began shifting. When the SEC snuck in and took the two top brands from the Big 12, anyone with half a brain knew things were changing. That was the time to address it. Not now while the Power 2 will strangle anyone not taking in similar funds. These others just cannot compete. It’s about survival at this point. If all things are equal from a financial standpoint I’d bet fsu would rather stay in the ACC. But it’s not a d if they want to compete at anything above G5 level they HAVE to move.
When fsu joined the ACC the talk was that the ACC would improve in football. Has it? Maybe in some cases yes. Others say back collecting the paycheck and chose not to invest in their football programs. Now the time is coming that these regrets will echo.
@@Keith_X it's gonna quite satisfying when the ̶W̶E̶A̶K̶ Wake Forests of the conference start screeching once their welfare checks start bouncing.
@@aznravechild6i9 well Wake has tried to compete. They’ve had moments especially when the powers were down. But there are some who have never tried and only sat back cashing checks. There are a few of those.
Old man sounding old.
Listen FSU does have a place to go
Wow espn welcome to reporting the news 😂😂😂😂😂
Actually the ACC sued FSU first lol
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the amount of gaslighting by an esecpn talking head but wow! And btw, wait til this guy gets to Dublin....lol
People beat up Sankey for crying poor mouth on expences but he’s correct at he futture of CFB as these two brilliant guys explain.
As Saban said about NIL, “ the rich will get richer”
it's the new american way!
On the plus side I'm saving about $100 a month since I got rid of my Sling TV because I was sick of ESPN and caring less about college sports is giving me more free time for other entertainment.
the ACC and Big East might collapse at the same time, especially if the Big East gets shafted next year in bids (again) due to conference realignment from the Big-12 and B1G and SEC
Sounds like Rece needs some Nyquil.
Dangerous to cfb
CFP acting just like the ACC, selling out the teams for the benefit of who???
Student athlete is legit term wasn’t made up it was when a Scholarship was worth something and meant something to the person that received it… Now college football is a billion dollar business ..things are a little different today but it still needs rules and regulations and you can’t cut the head off the golden goose to to pay unproven players, unreal money , there Has to be a limit just like the NFL salary cap the organization has to make money and deserves to make money .. the players in the NFL has to prove their self, to make really good money. That’s a fact!!Also in college football the same principal applies.
South Carolina, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Arkansas need to go. Kick them out
Keep state and arkansas, vandy and south carolina can go
What if FSU builds its own conference? Who gets invited to their party?
The East Carolina Pirates
@@powell4661 Be serious. Who is the best that is left. With or without FSU that will be the final conference in the "P3". Little brother power conference.
Not an heir to a throne but still not a peasant.
Great read Rece...why not ask, "What's going on at Iowa (who's coaching/admin drama is well-documented)?" Make it about a teenager...smh...
FSU , shook up the ACC i see😂😂😂😂
Conference monopoly. It’s a cash grab and they are surprised the players want in.
How long until the best of the BIG12 and ACC team up?
Sorry Boston College
lol who would that be😂
@@OSU2010 18 in order of viewership last year
Colorado, Utah, TCU, Louisville, Miami, Duke,Kansas, BYU, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, UNC, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Pitt, Virginia, NC State, Arizona State
@@OSU2010 Assuming that FSU and Clemson go to the BIG10 the top 18 according to viewership last year are in order(drumroll)
Colorado, Utah, TCU, Louisville, Miami, Duke, Kansas, BYU, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, North Carolina, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Pitt, Virginia, North Carolina State, Arizona State
Is Clemson even a glamour school?
They are an Elite program 💯
Go tigers, I hope we do go to the SEC so we can prove that we are a good team
your going B1G
@@GoatedAtNFS Not likely.
@@GoatedAtNFSno way the Big10 is accepting Clemson academics.
Just realign in football. The Big East isn’t a football conference anymore. Why can’t the rest do that???
These guys don’t sound too terribly well informed I gotta say
Nobody wants clemson.
Roll Tide!
Wouldn’t Sankey rather give $40m to Clemson than Vandy/MSU?
B1G = English Premier League
SEC = La Liga
Big 12 = Bundesliga
ACC = Ligue 1 France
PAC 12 / ND / Mountain West = Belgian Jupiler Pro League / Dutch Eredivisie
Duke will get relegated to the Big East. 😂
Clemson had no problem playing a cupcake conference schedule every year. Well this is where it got you.
Cope
Yeah, got them national championships.
@@christschoolAnd now they realize if you want to get paid like a big boy you have to play against the big boys. Those cupcake days are over.
@@vagabond197979You do realize you are the cupcake, right? If SEC starts trimming fat, South Carolina is 2nd to go right after Vandy.
@vagabond197979 great. now i want cupcakes
Miami ,FSU and Clemson to the Big Ten
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Louisville should join the SEC
FSU, Syracuse, UNC, Duke, and Miami should join the Big 10
everyone else…..can do whatever they want. the brand names should leave
Greg ain’t adding two Techs to water down the conference
@@GoatedAtNFS i mean like Georgia Tech use to be in the SEC. and wasn’t Virginia Tech being courted to join the SEC in 1990 when they were dog water for decades (Frank Beamer didn’t even them to success until the mid 90s). so why does what you’re saying matters?
@@markjackson6431 well back then they didn’t really care about competition and money but now is now, they ain’t letting both of them and clemson nor florida state join, especially after florida state’s meltdown. id say they’re better off joining the Big-12 cuz their conference is gonna be dumpsterfire without Texas and Oklahoma carrying the revenue; it’ll be Deion Sanders while he’s still at Colorado
@@GoatedAtNFS- Not a dumpster fire I don't think, but a sort of AAA farm club league.
LOL, UNC and Clemson are definitely SEC bound if and when they leave the ACC. Georgia Tech burned every possible bridge when they left the SEC. There’s no take backs for them. Louisville can either stay in the ACC or go Big12. They’ll not get into the SEC.
Clemson and FL State join the SEC
South Carolina isn’t allowing that
Florida won't allow it either.
@@bradleybowles7979 what other don't want Clemson???
@@randyhunt4535 all original SEC members except Vandy would vote against that. can’t just have anyone join the conference let alone state rivals
Right I'm Oklahoma sooner to SEC just asking that's all
Florida state and Clemson should join the SEC
Clemson and Florida st to SEC you heard it here first!
ROLL TIDE ROLL🦍