Dave Kingman's BIZARRE 1982 Season
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- 게시일 2023. 09. 14.
- Dave Kingman couldn't hit for contact, field the ball well, or steal bases efficiently. He could however hit home runes; a lot of them, and his 1982 season is bizarre and unique for how his season ended up considering his home run total.
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In today's baseball he would be a superstar.
One overlooked stat on Kingman… he never paid for drugs.
Not once.
Lucky Bastard
Yeah, but he didn't need them. They don't help when you're striking out anyway. When he hit it, he pretty much hit it out. When he didn't, he didn't. The guy had 1200 RBIs with only a 238 lifetime batting average.
Not once, Dewey!
Who gave them to him ?
You mean wasnt on drugs?
Kingman's base stealing was excellent in '82. Four steals in four attempts.
He's no rusty staub
My buddy and I went to Wrigley for 1 reason. To see Kingman blast HR’s… I remember One of his homers where he got fooled on a pitched, reached for it, had one hand on the bat when he made contact, and drilled it over the fence…
It is easy to pick on Kingman without knowing about him. I don't think he warrants that much criticism compared to today's ballplayers. Did Kingman really strike out that much? Let's compare him to some of today's best sluggers over a 162 game season. Kingman averaged 152 strikeouts per season compared to Judge (201), Stanton (192) Schwarber (187), Ohtani (174), and Trout (159). Kingman average 162 game statistics were .236 BA, 37 HR, and 101 RBI. That would earn a $200+ million multi-year contract today. He was not the best outfielder but a serviceable one with a fielding percentage of .974. He possessed a cannon for a throwing arm. He was a pitcher for USC in college before converting to outfield. He was also remarkably fast for his size and played receiver and safety in high school. His power was unheard of then and now. Few people could hit it as far as Kingman in any era. Think about him playing today in the small bandbox ballparks used today to enhance home runs. He was much larger than he was listed which was a common practice in those decades. He was probably closer to 230-240 at 6'6" and his strength was legendary. But Kingman was his own worst enemy many times. He did not like the press and quarreled with them frequently and dismissed fans, even his own fans. But he was exciting to watch with a bat in his hands.
Tremendous athlete for certain, playing several sports and being selected #1 overall. However, while Kingman struckout at a similar rate to today's sluggers, we also need to compare his ops/ops+ as well, and the aforementioned players are miles ahead.
Most certainly wouldn't make 200 mill, but as a DH, would be a serviceable, everyday player.
Problem is, half his career he hit about 220; and he had a number of seasons where injuries kept his at bats low. He only hit 270 or more three times. He was exciting, and career 442 home runs and 1210 RBI's is first class. To me, the cash in paid for the RBI's and the fan draw; and Kingman was a huge fan draw. I saw him in Dodger stadium hit a grand slam that had to go up 400 feet and out 500 feet. He was able to make weaker teams competitive. With better teams, he would have been platooned against left handed pitching and right handers he hit well against. His stats would have been much better overall.
Dave was the reason I became a Met fan probably won't get into the hall of fame because of his low career batting average and low OPS OBP but his monster HR made it all worth it I went to a game in 82 he put one out in Shea stadium parking lot
@@71robsahm He was a real draw. He is tied with Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth in grand slams with 16. Had a lifetime 478 slugging percentage. And he could take over any game. I saw him destroy the Dodgers in L.A. in a game when he three homers on the first pitch and drove in eight runs our of the Mets ten. He would get into slumps, unfortunately, and he once struck out 150 times in 350 at bats. It was said if he could lower his strike outs to 90 a year, he could hit 300 and make the hall of fame. He once led the NL in HR's and hit only 204.
I think he had a huge strike zone and a really good right handed pitcher with good control could exploit some weaknesses. If he had a really good batting coach, and settled into a position on one team , his career might have been a lot different. There are pitches you are not going to be able to hit out of the park, but you have to make as much contact as possible; put the ball in play. In the majors, if you have a weak spot, the pitchers will find it. He was a monster in college and the minors.
Great video. Fun fact: Dave Kingman, Lou Gehrig, and Jimmie Foxx are the only players with three 8-RBI games
Thank you
He is also tied with Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron in Grand Slams at 16. I saw one of his 8 RBI games in Dodger Stadium, hitting 3 home runs; all on the first pitch, and after a really bad slump in New York. All of those home runs had as much vertical distance as they did horizontal distance; he launched them.
AKA, the guy 2023 analytics say is the perfect baseball player.
Schwarber's season this year was one of the weirdest of all time.
Dude hit bombs!!! 3rd house across the street ball bounced off front porch.
When asked where he hit a homer. The usual responses were left, center, right, or a street address.
from 78-1980. those 3 seasons Kingman was with the Cubs. him and my boy Buckner. put A LOT of fannies in those seats at Wrigley. 16 seasons in the Major Leagues is actually pretty GOOD. we still LOVE you Dave here in Chicago. and thank you for giving us kids across the Chicagoland area. some thrills.
One of 4 people who hit over 400 home runs and will never make the HOF.
I remember people talking about how in 1982, the NL HR leader had a lower batting average than the NL Cy Young winner. Kingman .204 / Carlton .218.
That's a brilliant statistic. Thank you.
He did have great 1979 season with the Cubs, when he hit .288 avg/48 hrs/115 rbi with a .956 ops. Also went .268/35/118 w .826 ops with 1984 A's. Hit 35 bombs in his last major league season [1986] with the A's at age 37.
EdMan57; Yup; that 1979.season had the 23-22 Cubs' victory vs. the Phillies (I believe Kingman had 3HRs in that game).
Didn't call him King Kong for nothin.😮😮😮
I remember when he came into prominence with the Mets in 1975. Think he was pretty unknown before this. My best memory of him was a multi-strikeout game at Shea where he destroyed his hair dryer after the game (the tantrum made the NY Daily News). The Mets flew out to LA and he hit 3 homers against the Dodgers in the next game. It was fun to watch him bunt, too! Almost always got on base!
He could fly
I would say 2023 Kyle Schwarber = 1982 Dave Kingman, but at least Schwarber walks a lot.
That seems to be the only difference, though. Tons of HRs, not many other hits, tons of Ks, and defense that makes your eyes bleed.
He was fun to watch.
Always a great trivia question. Only player to play in all 4 divisions in MLB(back when they were only 4) in one season. Dave Kingman
And, I believe, all finished in last place.
@@jimwerther actually no. It was 1977 and Yankees won the World Series that year(Reggie 3 homers in the clincher) Kong wasnt eligible for post season roster.
Dave Kingman was my favorite Cub. I loved hearing Jack Brickhouse call his home run shots.
I've been waiting for a video about Kingman's 1982 season!!!
109 hits on the year... Led the league with 37 home runs.. and it took a hot (for him that year) last week to get over the Mendoza Line.
Another season of his that's interesting is 1976... a great "What if?" season... Had 31 home runs at the All Star Break (this in an era when 50 home runs hadn't been reached in 11 years, and would only be reached once in the next 14 years) then got hurt soon after and missed a month and a half. Came back, was still hurt but hit another 6 home runs in a little over 30 games.
Yep, he had 31 at the break. He might have hit 60 that season, but he broke his wrist diving for a shallow fly in left
I’m a Yankees fan since I was a kid in the 70’s but Kingman was one of my favorite players because of the bombs he would hit. That September he spent with the Yanks in 77 was awesome to my 9yo self. 😂
"Chicks dig the long ball." - Dave Kingman
saying the same thing over and over for 9 minutes.
As a Chicagoan, I saw him play for and against the Cubs. His best years were with them, especially 1979. He hit 48HR, 145 RBIs with a respectable.288, avg. and while no Billy Williams in the field, he was not a liability. He went to high school in Mt. Prospect a NW Chicago suburb. Too bad he didn’t stay with the Cubs.
Played on FOUR teams in ONE year.
Angels, Padres, Cubs, Yankees in 1977.
Mets Padres Angels and Yankees
If I'm not mistaken, the home run he hit at 1:37 was a one armed shot. His one hand slipped off the bat mid swing and he had to muscle it over center with one arm. Incredible. He was not so bad. As a Cub fan, his 1979 season was amazing and he batted .288. In 1978, .266 and in 1980, .278. I guess the Cubs got his best seasons :-)
Kingman also had a season in like 1976 or 77 where he hit a homerun for 4 different teams in all 4 Divisions. Let's tough to do.
Still a better hitter than Joey Gallo
The year I was born. June 12, 1982. What a year.
love these random stats like this, let's see if Schwarber can eclipse him at some point in his career. Seems to be gunning for the one trick pony crown
Good presentation, Sir.
Dave Kingman was the Mark McGwire of the 70's to mid 80's.
Kinsman with the cubs hit tons of home runs 1979 48 hr 125 rbi and 288 batting ave I think if he was coached and encouraged better and played with the cubs his entire career he would have hit 500 plus home runs for sure plus had a good hitter behind him
So, in human terms, Kingman rarely got a base hit, but when he did, more often than not it was a homerun. Is that about right?
In any case, homeruns are entertaining. Maybe that's why his career lasted so long.
Yeah that's the basis to it. He hit a lot of home runs during a time where very few hit as many as he did.
@@walkoffstudiosand many of the home runs were hit out of Wrigley field, way out
KONG!!! Listen to what the late Tommy Lasorda said on his opinion of Kingman's performance 😂😂😁
You could argue his 1979 season is one of the best in Cubs history.
And he was legitimately great that season.
Not sure what happened after that (first half of '80 season was also good, but completely fell off 2nd half).
Injuries were part of it probably, his somewhat bad attitude didn't help either.
Dave Kingman’s 1978 season with the Cubs was outstanding as a hitter. We had cable and WGN. I saw an afternoon game where he hit a ground ball towards shortstop that was so fast that even though the ball was just next to the shortstop the shortstop could not field the ball. All three of his cubs years were above average for Kingman. It would appear that Kingman would have had an above average career if he could have stayed a cub. If you want to see another player who had few doubles compared to home runs. Look up Roger Maris in 1961. Are you going to rag on Roger Maris. We’re you alive to see him?
Impressive strange stats compiler.
Dave was big slow and his fielding was brutal....but he was hired to hit home runs...which he did very well... teams knew this too..that's why he lasted 16 years. which many don't
That's a nutty season, but at least he'll be remembered for a unique story. Nice surname at least.
All this means nothing. Fact is, Kingman will always be known for having this question asked about him:
"What's your opinion of Kingman's performance?"
I'm not a big fan of WAR, especially in baseball, as a stat for two reasons. First, it kind of depends on who the replacement is. An exceptional up and comer or veteran playing out the string can skew that one way or another. Second, a single baseball hitter can have very little affect on the outcome of every game. A pitcher has far more control. Also, the rest of the team has to do things like get on base for a power hitter to drive in.
For example, Kingman played for the Mets during a period where they were mostly a last place team. They were just plain awful. I know,. I lived through it as a young fan. They weren't winning no matter who their firt baseman/outfielder was.
In 2024 he’d be a “Generational Talent”
Kingman was such a bad fielder, one season he had 15 errors just playing DH!
He hit a few homers on check swings with cubs
The big kingmans.big home runs.
kingman for the HOF :)
Thanks for the laugh
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@@nala3038 if he stuck around 2 more seasons he would of hit 500 homeruns he would of had to get in especially for era he played in. his last season with athletics was his best season. kingman has said he was black balled as no one signed him as free agent the next season
To me, it was baseball version of a gunner. Score the most points on a bad team.
Didn't McGwire once lead the AL with 51 HRs to go along with a .201 BA? Off the top of my head, I'd say it was 1991.
In 1991, McGwire did have a .201 average but he only hit 22 HRs, but a year prior in 1990 he hit 39 with a .235 mark.
Also, a decade later in 2001 he hit 29 HRs with a .187 average.
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Gee, that's what I get for going on memory, huh?
Thank you for the correction.
as evidenced by his low on base percentage, Kingman wasn't the best at getting on base??? Whaaaaat 0:30
Frank Howard at 2:44. Thanks.
Kingman was a terrible baseball player, but he sold tickets. Everyone wanted to see a Kingman homerun.
Kingman is the anomally not the stats. Bad average or not Kingman was always the most feared hitter on the Mets.
No wonder Kingman isn't in the Baseball Hall of Fame>
today he would be paid big $
Kingman was making BIG money with the Cubs and Mets. take that money back then/he was making. and put it in today's economy...2024.BIG DOLLARS.
He looked slender of frame but yhe Mets snnouncers marveled at his strength.
Kingman would not make a major league baseball team in this era.
yeah, you are right. as a LONG time, baseball guy/man. the talent sucks today.
@@mysticakhenaton1701 agree on that one
Are you shittin us? So in your opinion, Joey Gallo would, who never should have made the majors under any circumstance. Kingman would definitely have made the majors in the present era, he still had enough talent to make the roster of a majority of MLB teams. A large no.of major league players today have nothing but AAA talent and don't belong in the majors. Kingman proved he belonged, with power numbers of 442 HR's and over 1200 RBI.
If King Kong Kingman was playing 20 to 30 years later all his statistics would have been much higher in a better way. All the tiny ballparks all the physical advantages of training and nutrition and all of that. The man was at his peak like 40 years ago. If he was playing today everything he did would have been better than it was 40 years ago.
Nutrition?😂😂😂😂. If that's what you want to call it. I call it PED's
But he was always fun to watch.
Kingman played on piss poor teams. With any protection, his numbers would've been better.
Would love to see an Average Joe steal a base in an MLB game.
OPS up ya ass!!!! He’s KONG!!!!! ⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️
I’m sorry but if you hit .204 and get 99 RBI’s you had to be clutch. Who else has come close to that?
In 1982, Kingman had a surprisingly incredible .973 OPS in high leverage situations, compared to a .573 mark in low leverage ones. When it mattered, he was amazing.
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Overall, though, his clutch numbers are terrible.
Adjusted OPS? WHO CARES! WAR? WHO CARES!
One of two players with 400+ career home runs and not in the HOF. The other is Darrell Evans.
Many others, too.
The new stats are dumb. The run,homerun and rbi. are all that really matter. NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE EVER HIT BALLS OUT OF A STADIUM. Kingman did it on numerous occasions.
Bizarre is a word 14 year old girls use