Jayden Daniels, NOT Caleb Williams, is the best QB in the NFL Draft π― - Dan Orlovsky | First Take
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- Jayden Daniels, NOT Caleb Williams, is the best QB in the NFL Draft π― - Dan Orlovsky | First Take
On First Take, Dan Orlovsky, Ryan Clark and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo debate talented quarterbacks in the 2024 NFL Draft class.
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They saying this just to have a debate on the show.
Nah Dan been saying this for months
Daniels is better
@@moman36Please remember to come back in the middle of the season
In actuality, they're sleeping on my boy Penix. I know he's a bit older than you would like, but he still has the most accurate arm in the draft.
@@jayinko1882yβall must havenβt seen Jayden play lol
DO is the same person that hyped up Zach Wilson and Trey Lance π
He hypes up every QB to be honest lol
@@RB-.-he hypes up mediocre Quarterbacks mostly lol
Because theyβre directed by producers to take a position and defend it. Sure they make it realistic, like Ryan Clark is going to back the LSU QB 9/10 times.
Donβt compare Jayden Daniels to those dudes, though. Thats silly.
Embrace debate. That is the first take motto. If someone doesnt have a different opinion, ESPN will make an analyst have one so they have an actual debate. Dan is the perfect person to be ESPNβs lackey. Heβll say anything for a check
Not really , Dan is a pretty good analyst itβs just his opinion
This coming from Dan's burner account. @@kaylynalexander
Caleb with the pink painted nails, pink lip gloss, pink phone and girl Keychain. He doesn't belong in Chicago with that bs
β@@imm85-yi4zpuuhh what?
@andrewdiaz1313 he wore last night to the girls basketball game
Every yr it's the same debate. At 1st sports media unanimously crowns Caleb Williams as the overwhelming QB. Then they add some Drake Maye in as being better than Caleb Williams. Then they add Jayden Daniels as being better than Caleb Williams. Then they add some JJ McCarthy being better than Caleb Williams. Then they add some Bo Nix, and Michael Penix being better than Caleb Williams. All of this after their college football careers are done. Why wasn't they saying this during the college football season?
Daniels was thatβs why he won heisman.
English? @@xavieonedavis1318
If only there was a real way to find out who the better player is. Like if there was some forum where they could compete against each other.
Imagine if teams played each other......Caleb's team could play bo nix' team, Caleb could play Michael Penix' team.
I wish USC PLAYED Oregon this year. Imagine if USC PLAYED WASHINGTON.
And after the season, imagine if they had an event where they threw and ran and we can compare their door speed, maybe even havem run a 40 yard dash......they could call it the combine
Caleb Williams probably wouldn't compete
@@user-bd3zy6wo7l I love your sarcasm. It sucks but loveable anyway.
Imagine Patrick Mahomes' 13-16 win/loss record at Texas Tech. Imagine how scouts, coaches and GMs would view Mahomes if they based his talent simply on his win/loss record. Would a sub .500 record be worthy of a top 10 pick? Imagine Caleb's win/loss record if he swaped teams with Michael Penix and the National Champion runerups @ UW, or had two projected top 20 receivers to throw to at LSU instead of Jayden Daniels. Imagine before Caleb Williams arrived at USC the Trojans won 4 games all season. Caleb shows up and they go 11-3. Imagine Caleb breaking records at a school historically known for producing NFL QBs and eclipcing USCs record for total yards in one season by almost 600 yards. Oh wait a min. That actually happened.
@@user-bd3zy6wo7l Imagine if football was a team sport π€£π«΅π€‘
The only way to really tell if a QB is going to be great in the NFL is to have them play in the NFL.
This is the same guy who ran out of bounds in their own end zone? Relax π
daniels is a better passer and runner! Williams is Bryce young 2.0
Never take what Dan O says seriously lol
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Ya, especially when talking about Quarterback skills. His NFL stats are horrid.
I mean he called CJ Stroud out preseason and hes forgitten more about playing QB than we will ever know
What is orlovsky on? I got to get in touch with his dealerπππ
u need to be hospitalized if you think williams is better than daniels! obviosuly its not a race thing.
RC knows the TRUTH about Jayden as well as every other LSU fan
Hes overrated ruined boutte draft stock and cant win big games
Yes that JD has 5 years experience in CFB to get to that level, CW went in better prepared had trained more, won his 1st gm against a rival coming in down 28-7, also they know the truth about the NFL being so much different, guys as bony as JD will get broke in half like Johnny Knox, durability is by far the #1 most critical attribute, or Iβm a better QB than even mahomes talent because they still have to pay a hurt guy. Also JD is not calm by nature which is also critical. They know the truths that fit agenda, most people are the epitome of morons because they have no conditioning on thinking with their brain evaluating every possible factor honestly.
Also itβs a proven fact that most fans over value players on their team, yet you use that like it proves something.
@@realngga0boutte ruined himself and was coming back for his senior year but he fucked that up too with his behavior
@@realngga0 this !!!
Wasn't a QB named Lamar Jackson in that same draft as Allen, mad dog π€π©π
He meant of the qbs drafted high that media said were supposed to he good
Dan you're the same guy hyping up caleb saying hes mahomes, allen and lamar in one. Stop the nonsense
Having a debate on a non-debatable subject just to have an argument.
There's a fairly decent chance that Williams won't be the best qb in this draft. Not sure how it's not debatable when none of them have proved anything yet.
@knowledgeseeker1528 Of course but we're talking about them as prospects. That's all they are right now.
@@ethanstechworld207 Sooo....it's debatable. They won't be prospects forever.
@@ethanstechworld207did you not hear what RC said? Itβs not about who has the most talent but who can show the habits to improve your game. Calebβs game took a turn for the worst last year vs Danielβs getting better. Long term success is more about discipline and grit more so than talent alone. Itβs not a forgone conclusion Williams is the best Qb prospect. I for one donβt think he is. Heβs got mid written all over him.
Caleb Williams was the first overall pick after his game against Texas in 2021. There is no debate
Guy could be better than Tom Brady (he isnt), but i aint touching a QB that wears a dress for GQ
Id change teams if caleb made his way to the VIkes
Lol something about his attitude and entitlement rubs me the wrong way. I will watching and waiting for him to turn out a bust lol
@@Rowsy91 can't wait for him to dump on y'all twice
@@deshawnthomas lol I doubt it but the secondary sucks so maybe
The div beings to Campbell and the lions for now
And either way Iβd MUCH rather go 0-17 for 5 years straight than have a βmanβ like caleb be my teams qb
@@Rowsy91 considering youβre about to trade up for JJ McCarthy most likely? Iβd bet so.
Correct the Lions (and the Pack are division faves)
I think itβs hilarious Caleb doing his thing has dudes like you pressed about him as a βmanβ.
Heβs a cool dude and talented at football. As long as he wins games? Dude can lead a drag parade down Michigan Avenue for all I care.
Orlovsky is the same dude that said heβs Maholmes, Lamar , and Allen wrapped up in 1 shuttup
So Caleb is supposedly the next mahomes and now Jayden is better? ESPN be saying bs
Mad dog is dropping knowledge on these fools ππππ I'm loving this sooooo dang much πππ it's so about time that someone with some sense got a chance to talk
When the bears find out Caleb cant read the defense they gonna wish they didnβt trade Justin Fields
Josh Allen couldnβt read defenses either.
Josh allen is a dog that offense is built around him we in the dmv knows he sassy and the bears locker room will understand that hes soft like marshmallow yall acting like he played in the sec he played in the pac 12 daniels is the real deal
@@Jaypesci I never said he played in the Sec, not sure where that came from. Once again, what conference was Josh Allen playing in again? Mahomes? Rodgers? None of them played βgreat competitionβ. Iβve watched Daniels since he was at Arizona State, he has improved greatly. Williams is still better though.
@@zachking566 he did superhuman things against the pac 12 Competition not the sec
These types of debates are the reason why, if you a GM in any sport, you shouldn't listen to sports media...
Williams is easily the best QB in this draft
Lamar Jackson wasnβt in the draft with baker and Josh Allen?
Yes he was in it
@@xmobkilla9067no that was 2017, Lamar was 2018
@@Silencer21they are all in the same draft class lol, 2017 was mahomes, Watson, and Tributsky
@@chrisanderson2056 The comment I responded to was talking about Lamar, but they deleted it
Caleb had 5 turnovers and 3 of those were in 1 game. Mad Dog's takes are mad dawg. Not sure what film he is watching.
My biggest concern with Jayden is his frame. Dude is a twig lol I think Caleb will hold up better. π» down
caleb cant throw and is hot garbage so good luck bearish
Hopefully he is good at bearing down?π
People overthinking this. Kinda crazy how bears fans are so mad that they get caleb over fields π
Why did you cut out the Penix discussion???
Grossman went to a super bowl cutler was straight
He does realize several QBs that weren't top 10 have won Super Bowls, right?
Remember everybody. We still have a MONTH before the draft. They need to come up with whatever they can since only NFL football exists in March/April.
DO same dude that said Justin Fields would be league MVP this year.. [crickets].
I remember when this was the same narrative around Zack Wilson and Mitch Trubisky as it got closer to the draftβ¦
If JD ends up being Lamar-esque and better than Caleb Williams, Dans whole nfl career will be validated
I don't trust Dan at all. He's the same guy that said Justin Fields was going to win the MVP.
Lamar is faster than everyone on the field and it's obvious just watching him play. Jaden Daniel's is pretty fast but he's not even close to lamar athletically. More like Josh Allen athletically but a way smaller frame.
β@bradd2400 you obviously didn't watch him at lsu...dude has them burners and a better arm than Jackson already
β@@Rivs5117 don't forget what he did with Joe Montana.
Even a broken clock strikes the right time twice a day
New topic my lord this calleb Williams thing every day on every network
Lamar was in the 2018 draft
Best in that draft
@@user-jp1em9op7vAllen still clears mr 20td mvp my g
If Caleb is can't miss according to experts why would someone else be the better qb..im not saying he won't be i just hate when analyst do the can't miss thing
Only is Caleb ran out of his own end zone while trying to pass
Jayden will be a legitimate threat! I'm a fan of Jayden, and this guy is rare as a person and QB. Mock my words and watch Jayden dominate throughout his career.
This is gonna haunt Dan more than the back of the end zone incident.
Ngl mad dogg be spittin facts lmaooo
Both them LSU wr will be first roundersβ¦ weβve all seen how well QBs turn bad on the NFL after playing with the best
Poles may listen to offers from QB desperate teams like Raiders, Broncos, Giants and maybe NE or Washington..
Doesnβt mean heβll do the deal, but heβs not foolish to ignore to someone wanting to fleece themselves without first hearing them out at the very least π
He could of when he had fields but now they taking a qb
That makes zero sense
Wasn't Dan Orlovski telling us all that Justin Fields was gonna play MVP level football?
Why is this guy still on TV talking about football?
Leave it to Molly to even make a haircut about her. ππππ
Baker won the Heisman Trophy, turned around the Cleveland Browns, led T.B. on a nice playoff run immediately post T.B. (Tom Brady) and yea, ok, he's just an "okay" quarterback
C'mon man!
Mad Dog being Mad Dog
Im surprise Caleb doesnβt have a Sephora deal π
Caleb gonna be a locker room cancer he already is doing the absolute most he possibly can
LMFAO clicked into this just to laugh at it β¦ aaaaand iβm out before my ears bleed from this take
Who had two first round picks in the receiver coreβ¦β¦.Jayden Danielβs π€£
Um ok?
Joe Burrow
@@Tiger4life1965Burrow threw for 5k yards and 65 Tds when he had 2 elite Wrs. daniels never threw for 4k in his college career. This was Daniels first year throwing for 3k
@@filmjunkie-97 JD5 was 200 yds shy of 4000 yds, and ran for 1100 yds. 40 TDS passing, and 10 rushing, while playing 3 fewer games than JB. This isnβt a comparison between JB & JD because they are both great! Just put some respect on JD5 name bro, thatβs all !!
@@Tiger4life1965is the 5 in JD5 for the amount of years it took for Daniels to become relevant?
washington would be insane to give up that 2nd pick
I think Ryan answered the question correctly. Nothing Dan said was false though.
Analysts and media keeps hyping JJ McCarthy left and right
Nobody is hyping him up lol. People are reporting what theyβre hearing from inside of front offices πhyping someone up is what theyβre doing with Jaden Daniels πtook dude 5 years and two top ten caliber wideouts to even get on anyoneβs radar lmao. If anyone is being hyped without reason itβs him
@@michaelmero426 LOL fanboy stuff
Caleb is kinda soft.....imo.
Didn't Orlovsky say Maye was his QB1 like a couple weeks ago?
My QB ranking
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Caleb Williams
3. Bo Nix (he's going to be a steal for some team)
4. JJ McCarthy
5. Drake Maye
6. Micheal Penix Jr.
Drake Maye could be pretty good but I think JJ is slightly better.
Saints fan here,
Baker is not as bad as yβall make him seem. Dude has some game π―
I miss football
This upcoming season gonna be wild βΊοΈ
Do yourselves a favor, do not listen to Orlovsky's takes, he deliberately takes the stupid opinion because it is different from what others are saying, even when the truth is so evident that it contradicts him.
I've been saying Jayden Daniels is the crystal clear QB2 of the class for months now. Idk about him beating out Caleb in terms of success at the next level, but I genuinely think he's the next iteration of Lamar. Possibly an even better passer than Lamar is. I think he's going to translate well to the NFL and succeed at the next level. He does a lot of things great on tape. His release and throwing motion is lightning fast. He's got a great deep ball. He's got solid pocket presence and knows how to manipulate the pocket and explode out on scrambles when he has to. He seems better at reading a defense and going through progressions more efficiently. Then again, he did have Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr to throw to so that definitely helped his case lol.
I think Caleb has more intangibles about him, but I genuinely think I'd be more surprised if Jayden ended up a bust, versus Caleb. Just a gut feeling.
Hey! Yo! Bada bing, bada boom! Thank you Mad Dog! There you have it.
Are these guys drunk?
Systems make players
Penix and Nix are both solid players watch them become stars instead of these two QBS
I donβt think Daniels is even the second best. This always happens. People try to push someone higher than the guy who has been seen as the sure fire number 2 guy. Heβs a good player but Caleb and Drake are number 1 and 2.
Who's second? Smh.
Mad Dog has grown on me because I used to despise his takes but he's quite charming, now
Unfortunately he does not know what turnovers are
Iβm gonna lol when Jayden Daniels goes #3 to NE patriots
Idk about that but what I will say is I fully expect a clown show organization like Chicago to ruin Caleb Williams
I never watched Jayden and said thatβs an NFL quarterback
and thatβs the reason why your not a scout lol
@@chapellebr9603I mean his 4 years prior to last year showed anyone with eyes what he is as a player. It wasnβt until he got two top ten caliber wideouts that he did anything remotely decent. And homie still couldnβt win games at that lol.
@@michaelmero426 that sounds like joe burrow to me so stfu
@@michaelmero426 they won like 9 or 10
games you act like they went 2-10 stfu
1. Caleb Williams
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Bo Nix
4. JJ McCarthy
5. Michael Penix jr.
6. Drake Maye
Switch Nix and McCarthy and thatβs where Iβm at
Drake Maye will be this years Will Levis
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon have rings. Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, and other top QBβs donβt have rings. Systems make players.
Good point about Penix.. I would take him over Maye or JJ
Jayden is the most talented QB in this year's class but who will become the next Mahomes needs numerous other factors to decide his fate in the NFL.
If Williams would have played for LSU he would have won the Heisman again and Daniels would have played worse than Williams at USC.
I thought ESPN let RC go?
lol itβs funny that they always put unproven players and try to make them the greatest ever nowadays. You donβt even have to prove yourself anymore π
Say it again brother
Not that crazy of a take. But Williams arm talent is a level above Daniels. But.... Daniels can make any NFL throw an obviously has all of the leadership, and physical tools to go with it.
And Joe Montana isnβt an all time top 5 QB. Love DO analysis π .
Penix will be the best qb in this class and sean payton will make sure of that im calling it rn
I'm sorry but you're not winning a super bowl with Baker Mayfield. He has one good season and they think he can win a championship?
he saved the browns and took them to the playoffs then nobody would give him a chance after he got hurt then he gets a starting job and takes his team to the divisional round. he's a good QB.
Man I like the bears but think Caleb is a bust
Take Dans βtakeβ with a grain of salt π
The twig comments on JD can stop. Heβs 210 and looks like he can gain more on his upper body. lower body looks solid
Heβs skinny bro. And thatβs fine, some guys are just skinny lol. He can probably add some weight for sure, though.
He didn't miss a single game in college. I'm not worried.
@@evanholley This is also true, I think heβll be good.
I just can't get that week 1 beat down by Florida State out of my mind. LSU fans might be able to provide some insight, but my prediction is that Jayden Daniels ceiling is mediocre at the NFL level. SEC was overrated last season. Only Bama and Georgia were good.
Dan isnβt lying, I remember last year the clear cut #1 pick in most people eyes was Bryce Young but I kept debating with friends that CJ Stroud was the best QB but Anthony Richardson had the most potential of any of them. Same case here but in my opinion not only is Jayden Daniels better but he also has more potential than Caleb Williams. Thereβs nothing Caleb Williams do that Daniels canβt and whatβs funny is there are questions can he play under center yes Jayden Daniels has less question marks also playing for a bigger conference and somehow heβs not the favorite not saying playing for a bigger conference 100% matters but it plays a factor. Jayden Daniels can do more in a Chicago offense but itβs possible Iβm wrong. Most draft picks outside of guaranteed generational talents are a gamble
Jayden Daniels is not better than CW at anything. He is taller & faster and that's about it. its like having 2 top 10 WRs does not matter
@@eliottgonzalez8844Joe Burreaux
Jayden Daniels is Lamar Jackson with Caleb Williams arm talent.I have been saying that Jayden Daniels is the best qb in this draft.
If that was the case why did it take him 5 years and two top ten wideout prospects to show that talent? Hmm?
And if you Play like that in the SEC π₯±
Josh Jacobβs isnβt a championship qb
Also how do you forget Lamar
Had to stop listening halfway through. Caleb is the best QB in the draft and weβve known this for 2 years now. No amount of prospect fatigue should change that opinion. Dan is just grasping at straws to try to make this a discussion that doesnβt need to be had.
Mad dog got dementia, itβs actually sad
Ainβt no team in the NFL winning a bowl with Baker Mayfield foh π
Honestly i hope the bears take Caleb first so he can deal with that ridiculous weather in Chicago.. they're both about to get generational wealth so money is there either way
Vikings have Drake Maye higher on the board than Daniels because he is more NFL ready and just flat out better
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yep
Jayden Daniels is such an obvious bust
JJ McCarthy has the arm strength and accuracy! But as a Hometown Chicago Bears π» fan, we need a Quarterback like Jayde Daniels, Michael Penix, or Caleb Williams! Dual Threat is what we need. I dont think we ever had a black quarterback.π
JJ is more of a running threat than penix is lol. He also plays every game and doesnβt have paper strings for knee ligaments. He also played in a pro style offense his entire career AND against better defenses. You saw what happened to penix when he went against a pro caliber defense in the championship game. Dude was a deer in headlights
Also Justin fields was white? I didnβt realize that!
Heck no
Drake and Jaden will be better than Caleb. Caleb might be better year one but through 10 years, Drake and Jaden will be elite I believe.
Watch out I put70 up on a high school team with the two best WR in the NCAA πππ tbh idk if any of these QBs is worth a darn. The chance of hitting a top 5 QB that win playoff games not even the SB and it's like .10 percent since Andrew luck. It's time to reevaluate the evaluators imo. If that's a pro level scouts best shot then yeah time for a change
I think more qbs are ruined than are really busts.
Garbage "hot take" for views and controversy. If he tries to be a running QB like in college he's gonna get snapped in half. And I don't really care about pro day workouts, and a guy missing a few throws or being a little off target isn't that big of a deal to me either. But what did raise an eyebrow from me was some of the late timing and lack of anticipation on Daniels throws during his workout. In a completely controlled environment with his own receivers, that shouldn't be happening.
The guy on the left reminds me of skip, another guy i cant stand watching
U can win a lot of games .
..
.with joe Montana
Jayden is actually better thoughβ¦
Bro they hyping this Caleb Williams guy up give me one USC QB that had been drafted since Matt LeinartππΎ (trash)that been successful