BuzzFeed Unsolved Network So interesting, hope you guys are staying safe. Kinda creepy how everyone in Hollywood back then was just prone to murder, not that anything’s changed.
#postmortem As you are both something of celebrities yourself, if you were murdered or "disappeared" how would you prefer it be done? How much of a mystery would you want to leave behind? Love y'all!!
“She had a trunk full of Christmas presents for family and friends”, Todd seems like the coolest person who was way ahead of her time. To meet such a tragic end, it is really unfortunate
@NCT_ LOVER_ Absolutely! They both were highly intelligent women who were often reduced on their (to be honest stunning) looks. I think Thelma deserves just as much attention as Marilyn!
Shane: I don't think Tom Hiddleston is a murderer.... There's a darkness in him, though. Tom Hiddleston just trying to watch the boys not solve unsolved crime: Yo, wtf
She's been rediscovered of late - at the time she was considered a knockoff Jean Harlow, which is really unfair because they were both very talented, much in the same way Naomi Watts and Nicole Kidman are compared - and a lot of people have compared Thelma to Brittany Murphy, which I can understand in a lot of ways
I love how these two guys have such clashing personalities and yet, they seem to be such a good pair and always come up to the same ideas when it's about positive things.
My sister, who's a lawyer, told me why you leave someone one dollar: so you can show that you are intentionally leaving them nothing. If they are left out entirely, it leaves the door open for people to contest the will.
It's like a cousin of the the "selling the house or car for $1" thing. Just so that you have evidence that it's a legal transaction. A former coworker of mine did actually contest a will because she was left out of it - she'd been married for less than a year when her husband died suddenly (I think brain aneurism or something, clearly not foul play), and her adult stepchildren were going to kick her out of the house and take everything.
AxxL AxxL yo who are you never heard of you. And yes look at my channel and insult this isnt my main if you look at post date and my main is none of your business. You aren’t the best your trash. Bye bye get good at the game
I really appreciate that Buzzfeed starts off with a suicide warning and an outreach number for a hotline. Thank you for considering those that struggle with suicidal thoughts and depression. I love this show.
She only left him $1 so that he couldn’t claim he was left out of the will and gain more of her estate. So pro tip if you’re writing a will and you hate someone only leave them $1
Here's my lengthy "novel" of thoughts regarding Thelma Todd's death. I *sincerely* apologize in advance. I've always found the death of Thelma Todd to be an incredible, baffling mystery. It's frustrating that her death was declared accidental when there's SO much evidence pointing to homicide. I feel like more should've been done, bc we all know forensics wasn't what it is today. However, you DON'T get those injuries from sitting in a car & being poisoned by ANYTHING. It's not even like she was "violently" throwing up, bc there wasn't vomit anywhere. It seems VERY clear she was placed where she was found. I'd also like to know specifics like which ribs were broken?🤔 What part was her nose broken at - As in, the top part of the bridge & vertically or the midsection of the bridge & horizontally? If we knew that, we could take measurements to show if her nose was broken from hitting the steering wheel & if so, what part of the steering wheel? By that, we could even learn if she hit it by her own doing or by someone using force. (Like what forensics do to determine if someone jumped or was pushed.) Was there bruising? If so, how fresh was the bruising? Did the bruising show discoloration? If so, what were the colors of bruising? Did they get darker towards the middle, to determine the point of impact? Or was it all one color? Did her broken ribs have any appearance or sign of healing to show they may have been broken on a previous date? In *EVERYTHING* I've heard or read, these questions were NEVER even asked. I'm not a detective, but I find it hard to believe that no one has thought about asking these questions, let alone actually answering them. In most things I've read about this case, everyone that knew her found "suicide" to be the most unlikely, unbelievable theories. Although she had her stressors in life, those closest to her said she was a force of strength that would never allow anything to have enough power over her that she'd simply 'give up.' She was a fierce fighter that no adversary was deemed strong enough to make her 'throw in the towel.' You never know...Natalie Woods' case was reopened. Maybe Thelma Todd's will be, too.
there are photos of her body in the car and it looks as though she was in the passenger seat and fell side ways (not onto the steering wheel) lading me to belive she did not break her nose on the steering wheel
i wonder if anyone looked into Mrs Martha Ford's phone records. assuming she was telling the truth about the call and the date/time of it, couldn't they have traced back to see where the call came from, and whose phone Thelma used to make the call? that could've provided more info on her last moments.
I completely agree with you on this except that carbon monoxide poisoning doesn't lead to anything besides the victim passing out quickly and calmly and then dying, as in falling asleep and never waking up again, without throwing up or such, so this could still be the causing of her death even though she was murdered (which she definetly was)
@@thiemica3610 It never ceases to amaze me. I love hearing all the different scenarios from others. Thank you for your response! I wish we could find out what happened.
i always find it so unbelievably frustrating that cases like this are deemed "accidental" when there is clear evidence of it not being an accident. makes my blood boil every time
Post Mortem: Todd's leaving her Ex husband a single $1 in her will means that he was not completely cut out of said will. Therefore he would have no legal standing to contest it.
You can contest a will? Maybe that's make sense for a child, but odd for a an ex. Nevertheless, thanks for info! She really seemed like an introspective gal
Meena well it is dated from when they were still married, so he would have been her spouse, not her ex quite yet. so it makes as to why he might contest it.
That’s nonsense....you can contest wills for a variety of reasons. Having your name mentioned doesn’t negate legal standing nor does being cut out create it. She’s allowed to leave him nothing or everything and he’s allowed to contest it regardless.
Shane seemed really interested in this girl's life and persona, and her story actually reminds me of the book The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. If Shane needs any book recs I think he would love that one!
please make a series called “buzzfeed solved” where you talk about things like this, tell us all the theories, but at the end reveal what actually happened
Allow me to introduce you to Puppet History over on Watcher. It’s Shane’s chaotic grim and morbidly funny brainchild. Also the puppets sing about their tragedies
"Agent with underworld connections" Shane's email sign off based on this series: ... Looking forward to the meeting tomorrow! All hail the Watcher, Shane Madej Agent with underworld connections
Y’all don’t know how much this series means to me. It’s literally the one thing filling me with joy in this time of sadness loss and high stakes stress
It's a slap in the face but also legally responsible. That way he couldn't claim he was "accidentally" left out of the will and go ahead and try to get more money.
They must be careful of joking like that with each other though. Words hurt even if you know the other person doesn’t mean it, and sometimes that stuff comes back into your head at the worst possible times.
Her death is very sad, she seemed like a really cool woman but I just keep getting distracted by the little tuft of hair that’s sticking up out of the top of Shane’s head
Shane's hair always gets me. Even when it starts out okay, he moves around so much and touches it so much, he always looks a bit mad scientist-y by the end.
He was also her lover (one of them, anyway) and probably felt it was his right to tell her what time to be in. She didn't seem to pay much attention to what he thought his rights were, though - she was very independent, by all accounts.
@@jazzabighits4473 A mobster approached her about allowing a gambling operation and probably made some effort to extort her - that doesn't in any way negate my statement. In addition, the fact that she was "with a bunch of dudes" is irrelevant. She chose who she kept company with and didn't allow some controlling, overbearing man to dictate how and when she would come and go. She made her own living. Yes, all that qualifies her as being "independent" - especially for those times - when the pressure to tie on a apron and build your life around fetching a guy's slippers was strong.
@@gibsongirl2100 Being with a bunch of dudes isn't irrelevant, it shows she wasn't independent. It's good she was able to make her own business and all that. Still, I'd argue that this was a suicide rather than a murder or an accident.
Thelma todd is an ancestor of mine, I can’t remember exactly but I think she is my granny’s distant cousin or something like that on my mums side, (so not rly a close relation) and my great aunt is acc named Thelma after her. I’m glad that i have some sort of relation to her, but knowing she died this way is horrible :(
Everyone's talking about Shane quote on body positivity while I felt this quote by Thelma Todd saying "Building on beauty is the worst thing any girl can do" is most relatable than any other body positivity struggle I've ever seen.
I like it too. As a beauty queen herself, Thelma Todd probably had to learn this herself. Lots of beautiful women came to Hollywood in those days, but if that was all you had, you weren't going to have a career. You had to hone your skills as well.
We really need to popularize that quote. I see WAY too many young women and girls trying to capitalize on their looks to the detriment of things like their education, personality, character, skills etc.
yeah the world is a shallow place, sadly we can't all be a "jack of all trades" in regards to balancing looks, personality, career and all that, no one is a perfect package, and no one should have to be. i think we should all learn to appreciate ourselves, but also never assume we're perfect the way we are, cause there's always room for improvement, as long as we're the ones in charge of what improvements we might need, i think that's not a bad way to be
fun fact: she probably left her ex-husband $1 for legal reasons. if she had left him nothing, he could have filed as being forgotten in her will and received a portion of her money, but by leaving him just $1, it shows that she remembered him in the will and decided to leave him as close to nothing as she could :))
My theory is that the chauffeur made a move at her after getting dinner together and she rejected that move due to the fact she has a new man in San Francisco. So Todd and the chauffeur got in a quarrel and the chauffeur knocked her out and he put her in west’s garage to started the car to make it seem like west murdered her.
Yeah and there is no way to tell if he was telling the truth about her "being unusually quiet" and that she rejected his usual offer to walk her to the door. His telling of events would make it seem that SHE was off that day. Also, who's to say that he didn't give her peas and carrots on the drive home.
I wish Shane and Rywn would do an opposite series where the killer is known but they don't know them and after all the evidence they conclude who they suspect and later check if it was the real murderer
Impossible. Do you know how many research they do on the internet for a video like this. All those details, names of all the persons, times, suspects, etc. Its impossible to avoid the name of the killer if a case is closed.
I dont think it will, only speculation here and I dont think any suspect is alive now............... But at least some justice will be made and be heard to Thelma's family
The older Shane gets, the more he looks like a millennial angeleno version of Remus Lupin. Honestly, I’m here for it. Sending love from MN. #postmortem #shaniac
Hell blacklisting still happens, like brandon fresher spoke out about being sexually assulted and for about ten years wasn't in any movies. And just recently is finally back.
My theory: Todd went to visit West after the party, either to tell him that it was over because she had met somebody knew or just to see him but somehow word got around to him that she was seeing somebody else. He got angry and jealous and beat her, which would explain the nose and ribs. She was probably scared of him and feared that she would spend her life alone as his side piece and be beat when she tried to leave, because that is the victim mentality, and in her drunken state, thought the only way out was through suicide. It may actually have been an accident that he locked her in the garage. Abusers do inexplicable and inexcusable things when they're angry, such as locking people up to "think about" why they need to continue being obedient. Either way, she sat in the running car in a locked garage. Maybe she was so drunk that she genuinely forgot about CO poisoning, but it seems unlikely to me, considering fight or flight kicks in and even in a drunken stupor, I've never been drunk enough to sit in a running car in a closed space.
Just a quick something that stood out to me. When the chauffeur said that she always asked him to escort her to her door, but didn't on that particular night. Maybe it could have been because she was expecting someone she knew to be there. So if someone she trusted was there, there would be no need for her usual routine. Just a thought. Would be something I would do. Well, I mean, not now after watching this video. Or is it possible the chauffeur is the one who did it and put her body in her garage.
She couldn't have been put in the garage after her murder since the coroner stated in the autopsy that her blood saturation was 70% carbon monoxide- meaning she was breathing when she was in the garage
When she got to the house, she went inside. She was hungry and ate some peas and carrots. In the meantime, she and her partner/boyfriend get into an argument - possibly because she didn't come home when she said that she would - adding on top that he's mad about her new beau. They fight, it gets a little physical - her nose and ribs pay for it. She goes downstairs to the garage because she's going 'to leave'. He says, "FINE and DON'T COME BACK!" He locks the garage door after her. She gets in her car, feels tired, cold, and she's in pain. (Broke ribs will make it hard to use your arms - Nurse here.) She turns on the car to stay warm and between her alcohol use, painful breathing, and broken nose, she falls asleep and it's over. Years later, her partner confesses that he is responsible because of the fight and locking her out. #Postmortem
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Make sure to leave your questions for our Post Mortem episode down below!
BuzzFeed Unsolved Network So interesting, hope you guys are staying safe. Kinda creepy how everyone in Hollywood back then was just prone to murder, not that anything’s changed.
#postmortem is shane secretly attracted to ghost lore?
What do you guys think is the most interesting case you've gotten into so far?
with this episode of tinseltown shane’s mustache made me feel uncomfortable. Shane why did you shave it?
#postmortem As you are both something of celebrities yourself, if you were murdered or "disappeared" how would you prefer it be done? How much of a mystery would you want to leave behind? Love y'all!!
“She left her ex $1 in her will.”
That is the level of petty I aspire to be tbh
No needed to do it so he couldn’t of said he was left out unintentionally and get more money
@@AutumnLoki it's both you do it to say "no I remember you so heres a legal will saying you get nothing"
If I did this I would leave it with a note that would read: “don’t spend this all in one place”
I feel like 1¢ would have been pettier lol
Remember inflation, that would be around $13.
“s-s. bad. don’tdoit. don’t-. just-...eat...sjdsds..... ᵇᴼᵈʸ ᵖᵒˢⁱᵗⁱᵛⁱᵗʸ....” - shane madej 2020
@@MsGinRoom13 look up small text generator
It sounded like he was having a stroke
Is your pfp of Bertram from Jessie?
Hamilton Hargreeves At a dam Disco perhaps.
hard to take seriously
when Shane was trying to talk about body positivity it sounded like a father trying to comfort his daughter
He’s gonna be a great dad.
The word “awkwardly” is missing here.
my dad when he had to go to family therapy for my ED
"grow a mustache if you hafta!"
Not good...don't do it...just eat...body positivity☺
I forgot how addictive these videos can be lmao
It’s so addictive
I'm binging for like, the billionth time 😂
No deadasss tho I’m on a bingeeee😂🤦🏾♀️
Same
OMG, IKR
“She had a trunk full of Christmas presents for family and friends”, Todd seems like the coolest person who was way ahead of her time. To meet such a tragic end, it is really unfortunate
Kezia Basaraba simp
@@maydayjanette226 Come up with a new insult instead of parroting a femicunts' word.
@@englishatheart lol stop simping
What does simp mean
Kezia Basaraba lmao
"The hair back then.... very firm, firm"
"Yes"
"Yes"
" *_FIRM_* "
Damnit ya beat me to it
K H I just watched this part at the same time I read this comment. Conspiracy?
Like, yeah, we get it Shane, hair back then was over-styled to stiffness.
Very.. 𝒻𝒾𝓇𝓂
I am looking for this comment LMAO
Everybody gangster till the Theory 1 music come on at night
😂😂😂😂
So true 😂😂
On my soul 😂😂😂
No Capp🤣🤣🤣
Honestly
Shane: "I'm not a demon"
Also Shane: "I'm an agent with underworld connections"
Ayy 69
Yuhh 666 likes 😶
"Don't blackmail people."
*blackmail rate drops to 0%*
Our profile pictures are disturbingly similar
@@conch462 Omg yeah that's weird
MEGA OOF I thought you replied to yourself
I blackmailed my friend once. We both laugh about 'cause it wasn't that serious
“Stop serial killing.”
*"Don't do it... Ltbdjjdt... Eat... Ldhjtldhjjtl... BODY POSITIVITY"*
-Shane Madej, 2020
The hero we deserve
suddenly my eating disorder has been cured
Shane had 3 fingers of rye before and during this episode
toby matt that doesn’t sound like body positivity
We stan Shane.
Thelma Todd thought way ahead of her time and I respect her for it
@NCT_ LOVER_ Absolutely! They both were highly intelligent women who were often reduced on their (to be honest stunning) looks. I think Thelma deserves just as much attention as Marilyn!
Shane: I don't think Tom Hiddleston is a murderer.... There's a darkness in him, though.
Tom Hiddleston just trying to watch the boys not solve unsolved crime: Yo, wtf
PLEASE ABSBSHAJAK
my loki poster watching the video with me: yo, wtf
Sad Tom Hiddleston noises
A famous person: Gets absolutely murdered.
Lazy Cops: It's probably suicide.
'lazy' cops.
Aka the murder of Kurt Cobain done by Courtney Love
hong kong police force in a nutshell
welp, I'm a metalhead i don’t think she murdered him, might know what happened. but, i used to think she did. until i started looking more into her
@@amysmart1246 I don't think she directly killed him, more of a hitman murder. She's got the money
Shane Madej's Golden Rules:
- Don't murder
- Don't marry your 13-year-old cousin
- Don't get addicted to diet pills
Aww just missed it for one
I read the diet pills as soon as Ryan said that
and “body positivity”
-don’t fat shame Bigfoot
Forgot one
-Eat the rich
Shane and Ryan are just fangirling over Thelma Todd
Who can blame them ;)?
It's not fangirling necessarily I think.
And so am I!!
She's been rediscovered of late - at the time she was considered a knockoff Jean Harlow, which is really unfair because they were both very talented, much in the same way Naomi Watts and Nicole Kidman are compared - and a lot of people have compared Thelma to Brittany Murphy, which I can understand in a lot of ways
I love how these two guys have such clashing personalities and yet, they seem to be such a good pair and always come up to the same ideas when it's about positive things.
Well maybe Ryan accuses Shane of having overlarge bones and a big head becos maybe Ryan's head is small, tho.
Shane: “Do...just-....body positivity.”
*BREAKING NEWS: Self-hatred drops to 0%*
Pretty sure we just witnessed a stroke.
Lailah :0
Lailah We did it boys! Body dysmorphia is no more!
*FAKE* NEWS
I think he was about to say something that would of been worded improperly, making him seem crass, and he caught himself. lol
Shane looks like a grandpa who’s refusing to accept he’s becoming a grandpa
😂😂
Or a 40 year old history teacher who’s very close to throwing hands with a student
#roastmortem
Indeed
🤣🤣🤣
The fact that Thelma left $1 to De Cico and everything else to her mother was a brilliant fu. What an amazing woman.
They need to cover Marilyn Monroe!
Saniyah R YES
Saniyah R YES
That's a strange case
Done too much. No new evidence.
Why?
“stop serial killing”
“eat”
“don’t blackmail people”
holy trinity of advice from shane
don't trust rich people/cops/government is good advice too
also "love your body every day"
Steal from the rich
u also forgot all rich people are evil
stop quoting. its annoying
My sister, who's a lawyer, told me why you leave someone one dollar: so you can show that you are intentionally leaving them nothing. If they are left out entirely, it leaves the door open for people to contest the will.
Can you leave them 1 cent?
@@lee-lv8zo I would hope so, ultimate pettiness😈
It's like a cousin of the the "selling the house or car for $1" thing. Just so that you have evidence that it's a legal transaction. A former coworker of mine did actually contest a will because she was left out of it - she'd been married for less than a year when her husband died suddenly (I think brain aneurism or something, clearly not foul play), and her adult stepchildren were going to kick her out of the house and take everything.
Melanie Magolan did she win?
Melanie Magolan from that alone I guess the guy didn’t update the will after he married her, I have no idea about what that means legally though.
The car was a transformer but he didn’t realize there was a person in him while he was transforming and broke her ribs and nose
I believe more things would have been broken after transformation
WHEELJACK YOUR HUMAN-
It was definitely Gloria; I've never seen a more villainous hair style
😂
😭😭😭😭😭
But she’s that villain you love lol
You are under arrest!
Wh-why?
SINISTER HAIR!
Shane Madej saying he doesn't like talking to people he cares about is almost too relatable
Ikr like I love you bro but I'll never talk to you after this mandatory thing were both at
I wish more people would understand how real of a thing this is. Talking to the people I care about on my feelings is the hardest thing I can ever do.
AxxL AxxL yo who are you never heard of you. And yes look at my channel and insult this isnt my main if you look at post date and my main is none of your business. You aren’t the best your trash. Bye bye get good at the game
@@AxxLAfriku who asked
AxxL never heard of you, you aren't that great
Actually, leaving her ex husband $1 is a way to avoid lawsuits. If he wasn’t left anything, he could have claimed he was left out accidentally.
Change ur profile thx
But you're he's ex wife.you don't owe that person anything.
John Buckley change yours too...
John Buckley you know you have a character as your one too so you should change as well
Everyone saying who’s name to change all handles are gone guessing you all did it? XD
I really appreciate that Buzzfeed starts off with a suicide warning and an outreach number for a hotline. Thank you for considering those that struggle with suicidal thoughts and depression. I love this show.
"It's bad don't do-- don't-- just... e-- edlebeglelgleb-b-body positivity." - Shane Madej 2020
why does shane look like ryan just woke him up and forced him out of bed just to film this episode
p it’s because of the virus, all the shops are closed so they probs can’t go get a haircut
because he did
because.. why not?
Because he lives in the studio
#roastmortem !
She only left him $1 so that he couldn’t claim he was left out of the will and gain more of her estate. So pro tip if you’re writing a will and you hate someone only leave them $1
Bethany Johnson I thought the same thing! Our landlord did that to her estranged son and left us the house😂
@@Sharayaslover wow, that is a cool landlord
BornForThis lol I’m saying. I need me a landlord like that!
😂 well that should be a given 😅😝
I’m a landlord. And I can see that. If someone took care of the property well, and were long time GOOD tenants... I’m for it
Here's my lengthy "novel" of thoughts regarding Thelma Todd's death. I *sincerely* apologize in advance.
I've always found the death of Thelma Todd to be an incredible, baffling mystery. It's frustrating that her death was declared accidental when there's SO much evidence pointing to homicide. I feel like more should've been done, bc we all know forensics wasn't what it is today. However, you DON'T get those injuries from sitting in a car & being poisoned by ANYTHING. It's not even like she was "violently" throwing up, bc there wasn't vomit anywhere. It seems VERY clear she was placed where she was found.
I'd also like to know specifics like which ribs were broken?🤔 What part was her nose broken at - As in, the top part of the bridge & vertically or the midsection of the bridge & horizontally? If we knew that, we could take measurements to show if her nose was broken from hitting the steering wheel & if so, what part of the steering wheel? By that, we could even learn if she hit it by her own doing or by someone using force. (Like what forensics do to determine if someone jumped or was pushed.) Was there bruising? If so, how fresh was the bruising? Did the bruising show discoloration? If so, what were the colors of bruising? Did they get darker towards the middle, to determine the point of impact? Or was it all one color? Did her broken ribs have any appearance or sign of healing to show they may have been broken on a previous date?
In *EVERYTHING* I've heard or read, these questions were NEVER even asked. I'm not a detective, but I find it hard to believe that no one has thought about asking these questions, let alone actually answering them. In most things I've read about this case, everyone that knew her found "suicide" to be the most unlikely, unbelievable theories. Although she had her stressors in life, those closest to her said she was a force of strength that would never allow anything to have enough power over her that she'd simply 'give up.' She was a fierce fighter that no adversary was deemed strong enough to make her 'throw in the towel.' You never know...Natalie Woods' case was reopened. Maybe Thelma Todd's will be, too.
there are photos of her body in the car and it looks as though she was in the passenger seat and fell side ways (not onto the steering wheel) lading me to belive she did not break her nose on the steering wheel
i wonder if anyone looked into Mrs Martha Ford's phone records. assuming she was telling the truth about the call and the date/time of it, couldn't they have traced back to see where the call came from, and whose phone Thelma used to make the call? that could've provided more info on her last moments.
I completely agree with you on this except that carbon monoxide poisoning doesn't lead to anything besides the victim passing out quickly and calmly and then dying, as in falling asleep and never waking up again, without throwing up or such, so this could still be the causing of her death even though she was murdered (which she definetly was)
@@thiemica3610 It never ceases to amaze me. I love hearing all the different scenarios from others. Thank you for your response! I wish we could find out what happened.
Her death was ruled an accident not suicide
i always find it so unbelievably frustrating that cases like this are deemed "accidental" when there is clear evidence of it not being an accident. makes my blood boil every time
Shane: "just eat... body positivity"
That's... what you said.
consume body positivity. got it. thanks shane!!
I love him for trying though.
i mean it checks out
eating disorder GONE
1 thousandth like
"iss..bad. don't do it- don't. just- eat. djsb....bodyy positivity"
-Shane Madej 2020
he tried
nailed it!
He got it out in the end XD
He got it out there.
What a man, what a speech.
“Do you care about me?”
“Clearly”
“That’s weird cuz I don’t care about you”
“Oh” 🥺
Do uk when u can bluntly say to a person's face that u don't care.....when u actually care a lot.....and that is clearly visible there🤗
“I smell a sitcom!” Is one of Shane’s best lines
I’m obsessed with Shane looking like a chaotic history professor
Emilee Nicholson please tell me i’m not the only one who thinks he looks like remus lupin lmao
Alexa&Co yas
Emilee Nicholson I knew he reminded me of someone... lmaoo
@@hilol9222 oh my goodnesssssssss yaaaaah
Alexa&Co
Holy crap! Your right!
Post Mortem: Todd's leaving her Ex husband a single $1 in her will means that he was not completely cut out of said will. Therefore he would have no legal standing to contest it.
That I have to remember :D
You can contest a will? Maybe that's make sense for a child, but odd for a an ex. Nevertheless, thanks for info! She really seemed like an introspective gal
Meena well it is dated from when they were still married, so he would have been her spouse, not her ex quite yet. so it makes as to why he might contest it.
By leaving him $1, he can’t argue that he was accidentally left out of the will. Thus entitling him to a larger sum of money.
That’s nonsense....you can contest wills for a variety of reasons. Having your name mentioned doesn’t negate legal standing nor does being cut out create it. She’s allowed to leave him nothing or everything and he’s allowed to contest it regardless.
So we just not gonna mention that Shane looks like Remus Lupin? Nobody? Just me? Alrighty?
Especially from AVPM lol
@@izukubf avmp? Sorry, I'm confused lmao
@@Miranda-qe2jm A Very Potter Musical! It’s a parody of the hp movies and Darren Criss is in them . They’re on KRplus!!
@@izukubf ohhh
@@Miranda-qe2jm yeah! Plz check them out! Starkid musicals are really good
Shane seemed really interested in this girl's life and persona, and her story actually reminds me of the book The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. If Shane needs any book recs I think he would love that one!
when u see other TSHOEH fans in the comments *excited bookworm noised*
I love that book!!
@@Saucystitch my favorite book of all time 🥰
After this video, I was craving something to read with that Old Hollywood vibe, and you have just given me the perfect solution!
@@zenbrandon oh man you're in for a ride!
“The hair back then... very firm, firm.”
“Yes, yes.”
“... Firm.”
He's really losing words this season lol
Yo that’s insane. YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO TOO?! You know what? No. I refuse to believe this.
what happened to the hair ? >
Doolarse I was looking for this 😂
🤣🤣🤣
please make a series called “buzzfeed solved” where you talk about things like this, tell us all the theories, but at the end reveal what actually happened
I would love that!!
Cedar Lakewood doubt they’d do that what with them more or less focusing on watcher
Seconded! I love this idea!💕
Well their wouldn’t be any theories, maybe how it was solved to replace theories?
• Jaida • They could maybe give the theories from before it was officially solved?
Shane has a way of being straightforward in the most chaotic grim way he can, and it delights me and my morbid sense of humour
Allow me to introduce you to Puppet History over on Watcher. It’s Shane’s chaotic grim and morbidly funny brainchild. Also the puppets sing about their tragedies
@@sunsun5005 I watch that show already, I love it!
Shane's body positivity single handedly cured my dysmorphia
makes you think more therapists and stuff should talk like that, might actually make them more accomplished :)
Only a truly sick murderer would take someone out for their last meal and then only serve them peas and carrots.
Well she was on a strict diet. Why make her suspicious by feeding her something else right before he was to murder her.
@@jellybaebi tru lol
@@jellybaebi Thats pretty considerate of him
@@jellybaebi I thought that only applied to her original contract of one year with Paramount?
Scary
"thats crazy cause i dont care about you"
take it back, ryan.
_take it back_
We all know he doesn't mean it.
Apollo 11 yah it’s all part of his “I’m tough” act until they go and look for ghosts😂
I was looking for this comment 😭
your username is interesting
Say sike right now
shane: all the rich people are murders
also shane: i dont think tom hiddleston is a killer
“I don’t know. i have never been accused of murder befo-“
“Yet”
Seemed like a cool lady. Way ahead of her own time.
Ikr
That’s prolly why she got murdered
Royal Maniac probably**
@@simplyburnsy u can also say prolly lmao
Ph yea
Ryan and Shane's backs must be hurting by carrying buzzfeed
BRUTAL honesty
Tbh there the only part of buzzfeed I watch
Lmao
Blake Gammon They're basically Atlas holding the heavens lol
My head hurts from reading this exact same comment on every BuzzFeed Unsolved video
"Agent with underworld connections"
Shane's email sign off based on this series:
...
Looking forward to the meeting tomorrow!
All hail the Watcher,
Shane Madej
Agent with underworld connections
I REMEMBER ALL HAIL THE WATCHER IM LAUGHING 💀
Y’all don’t know how much this series means to me. It’s literally the one thing filling me with joy in this time of sadness loss and high stakes stress
“In Todd’s will, dated back when they were still married, DiCico was left one dollar”
Me, howling: OKAY SIS DAMN
It's a slap in the face but also legally responsible. That way he couldn't claim he was "accidentally" left out of the will and go ahead and try to get more money.
He had it coming :)
I’m living for Shane and Ryan’s hair slowly getting longer and more disheveled
Like some crazy guys who doesenr sleep but try to solve some old misterys
Yes
The chaotic energy grows stronger every episode.
i was gonna say, they’re slowly morphing into disheveled mystery clones
Shows the effects of the quarantine
"Who describes themselves as an 'agent with underworld connections?'"
"I do, generally"
I love Shane leaning into the "he's a demon" bit
shane forgetting that this was about the murder of thelma and then remembering and being bummed out is a mood
Ryan: "Do you care about me?"
Shane: "Clearly "
Ryan: "That's crazy 'cause I don't care about you."
[Wheeze]
"Oh"
Damm
Ryan is a tsundere. 🆗
That was meeaaaan🥺
They must be careful of joking like that with each other though. Words hurt even if you know the other person doesn’t mean it, and sometimes that stuff comes back into your head at the worst possible times.
Her death is very sad, she seemed like a really cool woman but I just keep getting distracted by the little tuft of hair that’s sticking up out of the top of Shane’s head
I have named the tuft Tom.
nunfog I love Tom
Yeah, he's really working that hobo/just rolled out of bed look lol
Shane's hair always gets me. Even when it starts out okay, he moves around so much and touches it so much, he always looks a bit mad scientist-y by the end.
Me too. He looked like a strutting rooster.
Who was Thelma’s *business partner* to tell her what time to be home???
Yeah I was also thinking about that
He was also her lover (one of them, anyway) and probably felt it was his right to tell her what time to be in. She didn't seem to pay much attention to what he thought his rights were, though - she was very independent, by all accounts.
@@gibsongirl2100 So independent she was with a bunch of dudes and possibly mixed in with the mafia? Lmfao
@@jazzabighits4473 A mobster approached her about allowing a gambling operation and probably made some effort to extort her - that doesn't in any way negate my statement. In addition, the fact that she was "with a bunch of dudes" is irrelevant. She chose who she kept company with and didn't allow some controlling, overbearing man to dictate how and when she would come and go. She made her own living. Yes, all that qualifies her as being "independent" - especially for those times - when the pressure to tie on a apron and build your life around fetching a guy's slippers was strong.
@@gibsongirl2100 Being with a bunch of dudes isn't irrelevant, it shows she wasn't independent. It's good she was able to make her own business and all that. Still, I'd argue that this was a suicide rather than a murder or an accident.
Thelma todd is an ancestor of mine, I can’t remember exactly but I think she is my granny’s distant cousin or something like that on my mums side, (so not rly a close relation) and my great aunt is acc named Thelma after her. I’m glad that i have some sort of relation to her, but knowing she died this way is horrible :(
Woah. Interesting. Would love more details on this.
All humans r related
An aunt isn't an ancestor, but a relative
StIgnatius 16 yeah❤️
This deserves more likes
Everyone's talking about Shane quote on body positivity while I felt this quote by Thelma Todd saying "Building on beauty is the worst thing any girl can do" is most relatable than any other body positivity struggle I've ever seen.
I like it too. As a beauty queen herself, Thelma Todd probably had to learn this herself. Lots of beautiful women came to Hollywood in those days, but if that was all you had, you weren't going to have a career. You had to hone your skills as well.
I saw somewhere, probably tumblr that being beautiful with no personality is basically clickbait in real life
Ikr! I liked that thought actually
We really need to popularize that quote. I see WAY too many young women and girls trying to capitalize on their looks to the detriment of things like their education, personality, character, skills etc.
yeah the world is a shallow place, sadly we can't all be a "jack of all trades" in regards to balancing looks, personality, career and all that, no one is a perfect package, and no one should have to be. i think we should all learn to appreciate ourselves, but also never assume we're perfect the way we are, cause there's always room for improvement, as long as we're the ones in charge of what improvements we might need, i think that's not a bad way to be
fun fact: she probably left her ex-husband $1 for legal reasons. if she had left him nothing, he could have filed as being forgotten in her will and received a portion of her money, but by leaving him just $1, it shows that she remembered him in the will and decided to leave him as close to nothing as she could :))
Katie Puperi 25 ¢ is how much I would leave
“I’d eat free food off of- ah nevermind I’m not getting into this.”
My theory is that the chauffeur made a move at her after getting dinner together and she rejected that move due to the fact she has a new man in San Francisco. So Todd and the chauffeur got in a quarrel and the chauffeur knocked her out and he put her in west’s garage to started the car to make it seem like west murdered her.
Yeah and there is no way to tell if he was telling the truth about her "being unusually quiet" and that she rejected his usual offer to walk her to the door. His telling of events would make it seem that SHE was off that day. Also, who's to say that he didn't give her peas and carrots on the drive home.
“Three fingers of rye” Americans will literally use anything other then the metric system
Jay Leno uses burgers to describe how wide a gap is between car's engine and a fender!
Sounds better than 5.08 cm of rye
Or 0.000129032 km of rye.
Bartenders using their fingers to measure isn't just an American thing
@@ambientsounds1416 Oh no, that's fair, I was just clarifying.
Laura Scott you’re wrong by 16 elephants
Shane: “Do-...... Ju-.......Body positivity”
*I am cured of all insecurities, thanks Shane, for showing me my worth*
My body dysmorphia, the disordered eating ... just gone, like that. Incredible
Orla Browne dysphoria? never heard of 'er
He a little confused, but he got the spirit
He was trying his best.
"Love your body everyday"
I love the chemistry of these two guys.
They have perfect chemistry for the show.
"Grow a mustache if you have to!"
Shane? You okay?
You have a mustache.
Shane’s “speech” about body positivity was better than most youtubers. Thx Shane I needed that
Cant wait for the simps to come after THIS
Matilda Persson yeah we should always respect and love our selves
Matilda Persson it was sweet 🥺🥺😀
If the person in your display pic is actually you then you're definitely not hideous. 😊
We love an accepting king
Ryan: "I don’t know, I’ve never been accused of murder before."
Shane: "...Ÿęt."
A comment with 1.3k likes with no comments confuse me
“...Ȳ̸̢̢̧̢̥̰̲̺͚̘͈͙̻̭̭͔͔̼̘̞̩̺̲̠̪̬͙̬͙̤̥̝͔̦̼̠͈̹͓̻̺̖̭̳̭̮̖͓̩̪̮̺̼̮̫͛̈́̇́̓͑̆̈̃͆̎̂̉͗̀̓̏̀́̎̍́̀̈́͌̍͒̌̈́͂͊͛͠͝͝e̷͚͓̘͚̺͍̭̫̣̰̱̫̻̺̰͈̺̾͊̊̑͒̆̊̈̐̐̑͆̃̀̄͐̀̋̒͌̓̈́̂͂̍́͌̽̇͋͐͊̉̇̂̏͒̐͐̔̈͋̈́̈́͛͂̒͆̏̐̏̐͂̃̈́̋̋͌̚͜͜͝͝͝͝ţ̷̨̡̛͖̰̮͓̜̹̺͍̫̬͔̣̖̩̝̙̣̻͈̙̱̜͈͙͕̞̞̥̮͐͛̃̓̄̄̎ͅͅ”
This whole episode is Shane just struggling to speak 😂
Shane: Just... eat... uh...Body positivity!
Ryan: Nailed it
I wish Shane and Rywn would do an opposite series where the killer is known but they don't know them and after all the evidence they conclude who they suspect and later check if it was the real murderer
Like the game cluedo!
Kirk Douglas died nearly two months ago. That man was old as dirt. He was in high school when the Empire State Building opened.
That'd be such an interesting and fun game!
This should be their spin of this show but doing it on Watcher!
Impossible. Do you know how many research they do on the internet for a video like this. All those details, names of all the persons, times, suspects, etc. Its impossible to avoid the name of the killer if a case is closed.
One day they're gonna solve a case and we won't know how to act.🤣
“I have recalled and now I’m sad” is the story of my life
Shane looks like an e-boy with that haircut lol.
If he was an e-boy he would be making bank
or a homeless man
@@evandymon WTF?
what type of e-boys do you look at????
@@monetdudas3804 can you make that shorter I cant read that much
man thelma sounded like a really fun person and quite progressive for her time. hope her case gets solved one day ):
I dont think it will, only speculation here and I dont think any suspect is alive now............... But at least some justice will be made and be heard to Thelma's family
I hope so too she probubly didnt deserve it.
I solved it. But i died before i could serve justice
"That's crazy 'cause I don't care about you"
Hello, 911? I would like to report a murder
Petition to remove the Mannequin behind Shane
I am also a shawniac
@NCT_ LOVER_ he edited the post, he spelled it wrong and I was joking about it
it’s so scary for what
alternative title: ryan and shane respecting women for 25 minutes straight
Beatriz Braga Poubel period
The older Shane gets, the more he looks like a millennial angeleno version of Remus Lupin. Honestly, I’m here for it. Sending love from MN. #postmortem #shaniac
broke: shane is a demon
woke: shane is a werewolf
Nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking Shane looks like a different version of Remus Lupin.
I can't unsee it now-
Omg I’m living for that
I'm here for dat
Hell blacklisting still happens, like brandon fresher spoke out about being sexually assulted and for about ten years wasn't in any movies. And just recently is finally back.
Shane: A little extra sauce on this one.
Ryan: *epic laughter*
“Do body positivity.”
“Tom Hiddleston has a darkness in him.”
I want stickers of all of Shane’s one liners.
yess! we need stuff like 'I'm the Phantom of the Sky!' :)
And then put the sticker on my walls
@@msmity63 it is my wall. Everywhere I look: A LITTLE EXTRA SAUCE ON THIS ONE
I started to cross stitch and embroider during this quarantine and I now have a new project, Shanes one liners xD
𝘠𝘦𝘵
Nobody:
Shane: “ there is a darkness in tom hiddleston”
is it bad that when he said that my brain went "Hiddleston could put his darkness in me not gonna lie". my horndog brain has gotta stop
666 likes! perfect
Masume Abbasii 😂 I see you sis
Robyn Wilson same😂
@@robynwilson9227 oh Robyn there's a lot of us that agree. I don't respect the man. But he can definitely GET IT, but only dressed as Loki LMAO
Ryan says he’s drinking 10 fingers of rye. *stacks 8 fingers together.
Shane’s speech on body positivity brought me to tears
They wonder why she was eating peas and carrots as a hangover cure but SHE LITERALLY WASNT ALLOWED TO GAIN WEIGHT!!!! I would be snacking veggies too
oh
At that point wasn't the contract void? I have the attention span of a goldfish
They said it was one of her earlier contracts, we don’t know if she was still on that contract
"The trunk of her car was also full of Christmas presents for family and friends"
That's the saddest line in the whole video
My theory: Todd went to visit West after the party, either to tell him that it was over because she had met somebody knew or just to see him but somehow word got around to him that she was seeing somebody else. He got angry and jealous and beat her, which would explain the nose and ribs. She was probably scared of him and feared that she would spend her life alone as his side piece and be beat when she tried to leave, because that is the victim mentality, and in her drunken state, thought the only way out was through suicide. It may actually have been an accident that he locked her in the garage. Abusers do inexplicable and inexcusable things when they're angry, such as locking people up to "think about" why they need to continue being obedient. Either way, she sat in the running car in a locked garage. Maybe she was so drunk that she genuinely forgot about CO poisoning, but it seems unlikely to me, considering fight or flight kicks in and even in a drunken stupor, I've never been drunk enough to sit in a running car in a closed space.
Just a quick something that stood out to me. When the chauffeur said that she always asked him to escort her to her door, but didn't on that particular night. Maybe it could have been because she was expecting someone she knew to be there. So if someone she trusted was there, there would be no need for her usual routine. Just a thought. Would be something I would do. Well, I mean, not now after watching this video. Or is it possible the chauffeur is the one who did it and put her body in her garage.
"Who eats only peas and carrots!?"
Someone whose contractually obligated to keep a certain weight requirement.
Oh yeah
I'd never have got that. Well done
That makes sense.
Shane: "I don't like talking to people I care about."
Me too bud.
Sophia Madge I don’t like talking to people in person in general.
You must not care much about me then...
it's weird because he said the line right as i read your comment
I don’t like talking in general, instead I like to emulate those old people who’ve been married for decades and just sit together in silence
Same
She couldn't have been put in the garage after her murder since the coroner stated in the autopsy that her blood saturation was 70% carbon monoxide- meaning she was breathing when she was in the garage
I love hearing about peoples crimes that Ive never heard of before. Love your take on these circumstances surrounding these cases. Perfecto!!
"Do you care about me?"
"Clearly!"
"That's crazy because I don't care about you."
DON'T LIE, RYAN...
Claire Field this is revenge for the poe postmortem i am so sure of it
I like how Ryan was shocked and like “WAIT you never talk to me!” So he clearly cares about Shane caring about him🤣
*cough SHIP cough*
Course they care about each other!
It's a bromance and very very beautiful.. Looool
FRoM LoNdon wIV LoVe 💋
Anika Chanchani #postmortem
When she got to the house, she went inside. She was hungry and ate some peas and carrots. In the meantime, she and her partner/boyfriend get into an argument - possibly because she didn't come home when she said that she would - adding on top that he's mad about her new beau. They fight, it gets a little physical - her nose and ribs pay for it. She goes downstairs to the garage because she's going 'to leave'. He says, "FINE and DON'T COME BACK!" He locks the garage door after her. She gets in her car, feels tired, cold, and she's in pain. (Broke ribs will make it hard to use your arms - Nurse here.) She turns on the car to stay warm and between her alcohol use, painful breathing, and broken nose, she falls asleep and it's over. Years later, her partner confesses that he is responsible because of the fight and locking her out. #Postmortem
This is EXACTLY what I thought, too. Makes the most sense, to me, with the evidence, confession, and combined 2 of the theories.
I was thinking maybe the cracked rib and bloody nose were from the ex-husband who obviously was abusive. But I like the rest of this theory.
Mark it with a #postmortem so they'll see it!!!
Only problem is how did Todd get from her apartment to his house 500m away without any evidence? (dirt on shoes, touseled hair, etc.)
I wouldn’t be able to think of a theory like this ever. Nice one
Love watching ”old” movies and true crime so love this episode thanks guys
Just listened to this on the podcast My Favorite Murderer! I love hearing the different takes on it ❤️