Netflix missed the point of Avatar

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Fuck opera gx

Misogyny is having a renaissance it's just dressed up as what's socially acceptable rn. ._.

​@@Emma-Mazerenaissance? Bro it never left

I find it hilarious that they removed the sexism from Sokka's character because they thought it wasn't relevant when if anything, it's more relevant than before due to the rise of Andrew Tate esque influencers and incel culture in general causing more and more men to become increasingly hostile towards women's rights.

​@@shawerful5209 no but the masculinist podcasts made it worse 💀

​@Emma-Maze what's strange is that sexism in recent shows and movies isn't being direct about it and having moments, it's actually infecting every single element of a character

anakin is very offended

Disney/Marvel magic systems are basically a mixture between "if you're not born with it then fuck you" and pay to win 😂

The fact that pisses me off even more, is that in the first episode there flying away from Zuko, Zuko blasts a fireball at them and Katara just has water and gets rid of it.
Where does she get the water?! I don’t see a pouch with her! She couldn’t possibly have bended it from the ocean while being hundreds of ft in the air. The only way she could have gotten that water is if she got it from the freaking air.
What!?

@@emaster9663​​⁠that bothered me too! But that’s what the video is saying. Like, she was just that naturally talented. In the cartoon, it’s a slow build of her becoming great. In the show, she already was.

Thank you! I've been saying that if that's the precedent, then Aang just needs an earthbending scroll, and a firebending scroll, make a 20 minute montage of him practicing and make the finale s2e2. Like clearly you DON'T need a master in NATLA, that's canon in that version now. So keep Toph and Zukos arc sacred and end this ASAP.

YES THANK YOU I hate them so much, the whole point of Azula is that she's bad, bad from birth, she knows and she enjoys it, at the end we see her fall apart but with a reason, now they are making her insecure from the begging?? Whats the point then

@@lemon8dand what they did to her lightning is ridiculous, took 100000 years to charge, with weird moves that look nothing like in the show and she shot it to a wall and didn’t even do anything to it, the real Azula used her lightning to break an earth wall made by Toph in like 2 seconds.

Not to mention Azula is now a major component of Book One…for some asinine reason. WHY can’t we just leave nice things alone?

They introduced her so early that she literally spent 80% of her screentime standing around doing nothing. Definitely the right way to introduce a highly competent and terrifying fighter 🙄 plus, insecurity is _not_ the only symptom of a dysfunctional/abusive household, so it's not even like they made her more realistic?? The changes to her personality are patronising af.

Bro that shit pissed me clean off. Was so hard to acc take her seriously.

Idk how you drop the ball when you have the story already laid out for you on a silver platter. How do you fumble something when they have the perfect script already? lol

@@Ugly_Single_Near_You-jw2er i could understand wanting to change it up a little bit instead of doing a shot-for-shot remake but the changes they made are so fucking confusing.

​@@elfappo9330It's so weird. Like it's more gratuitous and violent but also...tame? Like the characters losing there anger, spunk, and even saddness. Even the main villains honestly lose a lot of their cruel nature. It's like the main characters are repressing their emotions for some bizarre reason.

@@ohwell1547 If a character in media demonstrates a problematic trait, that would be an endorsement of that behavior!

@@ohwell1547 Americans, driven by their puritan origins, don't shy away from violence. Media has become incresingly violent but oh lord save yourself if you show genitals or nudity in general.
In this case they could show dark gritty violent stuff to appeal to GOT TV show morons fans but forgot to properly write a script without the help of AI.
Because the script feels like a chatGPT regurgitated crap.

"She has no flaws and has really good one-liners!... why is no one clapping? Do you hate women?"

Love when they just make all of the male, especially white male characters stupid and pathetic so the girl can show em who’s boss…

So true! It's baffling! Strength can come in many different forms, not just by being physical!

Queens and princesses pulled strings and influenced things in setting were women didn't have rights, after all

Yes! This kills me because the strongest women I know are people who are actually pretty reserved and quiet. When I think strong women, I think women who have been through hell and back (not just SA, since there's so many instances of unnecessary SA violence against women in media) and chose to not let it break them, who can still be kind, still be intelligent, and still stand up for themselves despite their past pain. Physical strength is great and that's awesome that there are characters for those women to feel represented through. However, I feel like more thoughtful or quiet women tend to be depicted as the meek, frail icons of femininity who need to be rescued, and it would be so refreshing to see more female leads who have mental strength or resilience instead. Strong doesn't equal violent, in my opinion.

Nah, they'd say "Blindness is controversial" and "We can't have characters with actual problems" then make it so she can not only see, but also already be able to bend metal and fly.

i am genuinely so afraid by this terrible writing bc i just know that's exactly what they're gonna do to my girl. i swear to god if i hear her say she wishes she wasn't blind i will explode

​@yourshoulderdevil5229 ...the scary part is that I'm not convinced that isn't exactly what will happen. Modern media seems more and more allergic to the idea of women who don't come out already perfect straight from the womb, and disabilities have to give you superpowers or otherwise it's not considered "positive" representation x.x

@@sleepysera Exactly. I despise the way they're stripping away everything that makes a woman unique in favor of "diversity" when in reality it's the opposite of diverse . They're literally doing the exact same thing they claim to be fighting. It's awful.

@@yourshoulderdevil5229 No shot, they know they’d get canceled if they didn’t make her blind. More realistically, it’s going to be mentioned once when she’s introduced, she’ll have one emotional monologue about it, and then it will never be acknowledged again.

Not sad or upsetting at all. Paramount gave them a studio and funding to do as they please. A theatrical animated release is due next year and more Avatar shows to come (hopefully a firebender; the potential is wild).

@@nyanuwu4209 the theatrical, is it based on Kyoshi? I thought I heard something about it being about her maybe I’m wrong

@@nyanuwu4209 After Korra (and yeah i know Nickelodeon interfered a lot with the pre production and afterwards; they didn't trust enough the IP or the showrunners i guess) i'm not so sure about the creators having the sauce anymore.
LOK was milquetoast. It lacked something. And it ruined the lore by mid second season. It also introduced mecha spirit kaiju laser fights and mecha robots laser shooting menaces. totally stupid. It not ruined the Avatar past lives connection, thus destroying the relevancy and connection to ATLA, it also ruined the spirit world by making it tame and "westernized".
What the fuck is the new avatar is gonna do if it occurs post Korra? How's that avatar state work? There's only fucking Korra to drive for wisdom and jeez... i know i woulnd't want that. of all the avatars, korra? The one that managed to destroy 10,000 years of tradition?
And talking about that. LOK big theme was a bout that and I have a personal issue with that: it became a show about dismantling the masterpiece that was the predecesor: Aang, Katara and Toph were a shitty parents, the Spirit World became a fantasy medieval LARP with vibrant colors with a new portal for tourism, Bending became so lame, and even special master aspects of bending like lighting and metalbending became ubiquitous, the bastardization of airbender nomad culture, the quasimedieval-preindustrial setting of the OG show (i don't want high tech in my Avatar show, no thanks!), the ruining of the new Avatar team by not having a clear storyline for Korra only for her to end with a girl because "we are progressive, right?" stunt.
There's so many stupid shit in LOK that I just prefer to ignore it exists.
I'm not holding my breath for the next Avatar show even if its made by dimartino and konietzko. They didn't get why ATLA was a masterpiece and that's the reason they failed wtih LOK from the get go.

​@@Afreshioare we even sure ATLA was their work at this point? Because the 2nd season especially the avatar wan bs screams this wasn't our stuff so we are changing it

@@Afreshio "It ruined the lore" How? I'm not reading a fuckin' essay when you started off with some sweeping nonsense.

That monologue had me TEAR BENDING

@@heatherleslie6643 but not in a good way

@@heatherleslie6643 This show is so full of bullshit that it's making me tear bend!

I had nightmares for a week after I saw that scene.

Lol

did you watch it yourself?

Especially after Blue Eye Samurai, which is an outstanding animation, def not mindless and not aimed at kids, that has been a major success

@@eden22.7the live action didn’t do a good job with making the characters great & did Katara dirty such as making her seem calm than her usual self. They didn’t understand the tones and messages on what makes it amazing

It's also baffling that this show "for adults" based on an existing IP felt it so necessary to front load all of its exposition, when the original brand new show meant for kids respected its audience enough to drip feed the relevant information.

The Netflix How to Train Your Dragon series were some of the best content on the platform.
Also Netflix has been paying for the rights to popular anime. So clearly they understand good animated content has an audience. I think there must be different execs at the company not communicating with one another because it feels so disjointed.

bruh we gotta band together to fight off the higher ups!! who's with me

The fact that the original creators left the Netflix adaptation is TELLING!

Thank you so much for saying this. There’s some myth, endlessly circulated online, that media, particularly modern media, is always the result of a single “hack writer” who doesn’t understand basic storytelling. And, you know, NOT because of a bunch of executives homogenising the work, and creating ridiculously unrealistic standards that writers have to aim for. Who, at the end of the day, don’t even care about art or media. I really hope everyone sees your comment, and maybe the myth can be debunked a little.

I left movies too, I landed in indie comics. It has proved to be a great creative outlet for anyone who wants to create a story that isn’t instantly destroyed by executives who are just eager to get back to their beachfront property.

but is it better than drew's content?@@waterraideryfga8195

I mean, "A picture is worth a thousand words", right? We should be well past making mistakes like this. Go back to silent films, lol. FORCE them to show, not tell!

This is an Avatar problem, not an "Everything sucks nowadays" problem.

​@justinstewart9145 the Wheel of Time adaptation had the same exposition problem. It's not an everything sucks problem, but it's not exclusively an avatar problem either.

It's weird they have so much talking but nobody ever has an actual conversation like a person would

Talking’s a cheaper scene to film

You wont regret it

Dude same. I finished yesterday and it's A W E S O M E. Gotta thank Drew

I just finished it and bawled. 10/10

I watched it for the first time a few weeks ago. An utter masterpiece. Shame I slept on it as a kid!

These comments make me so happy as a long time ATLA fan! The original is an absolute masterpiece and I’m so glad that y’all enjoyed it!

Legitimately INSANE this line is in the show.

That line is like the silly quirky version of the line that one edgy guy from riverdale says thats like “In case you haven't noticed, I'm weird. I'm a weirdo. I don't fit in, and I don't... wanna fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on?”

he’s not like other avatars 🥴

You can't just have your characters say how they feel. THAT MAKES ME FEEL ANGRY.

@@zacharyrichardson8435Ah, a man of culture.

Tiktok brainrot has taken us all. Don't question the netflix overlords. There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

It's very insulting that they didn't learn from shamalans movie. Ugh and please don't bring up Gran Gran in the remake...

​@@davp4435I mean... 'There is no war in Ba Sing Se'...

To be fair my 7 year old self didn't pick up on any of this. It took me multiple episodes to realise toph was blind back then.

@@jamesmccomb9525probably because you watched it out of order when it was airing? Because the first episode she’s in they literally say she’s blind like 100 times.

Israel 🇮🇱

No, he works with peasants and dismantles the monarchy, but sometimes he's a little snarky about it. Truly the mark of an antihero protagonist.

I love how your comment is exactly something Kuzco would say😂 especially the last line

it ony a movie

Jokes aside, that's the behavior I hated especially coming from the fans of the OG show. Just because the movie was shitty it doesn't mean we have to settle for a less shitty tv adaptation. And the same thing happened with the Percy Jackson tv adaptation. They both sucked and fans shouldn't settle of it just because "they're better than the movie"

It's like saying that the spoiled orange juice is better than the raw sewage. Yeah, it definitely is, but neither tastes good nor leaves you feeling good. One's just more devastating than the other!

​@phonoix plus, to paraphrase a review of the show i watched "if they'd somehow managed to make a show even half as bad as the movie, that could only be taken as proof that Satan is real and he has killed god"

Classic Drew.

He's a very good fire bender, but yeah, his family members are better and it makes him seem worse than he is in comparison

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exactly, people underrate the hell out of Zuko when comparing him to the rest of the family, like he defeated Zhao in an Agni Kai in like the third episode and he gets better from there especially later when he learns from the dragons.
He's still a great firebender it's just his family is that much better but that's also like being the 6th fastest person in the world

He developed into a great fire bender and was probably close to average when a young child. He was being compared to prodigies and beaten down by his father for his imperfections. No child will flourish under those conditions.

People who didn’t watch avatar close enough. Comment on it all the time and I cannot stand it

Zuko wasn’t as good as azula but his tenacity put him at her level whenever they would fight

They didn’t do zuko right. At all. You obviously didn’t watch the cartoon

@@kertdeck I said "sort of" and also outlined where they failed. I barely paid attention to the live action as well. I've seen the cartoon like 3 or 4 times through.
Quit being such a condescending ass

I think one of the perfect examples of this would be Miles Edgeworth. My man is introduced as the most smug, prickly, piece of shit scumbag prosecutor who fabricates evidence and gets his witnesses to lie. And the whole of the case is spent on Edgeworth being this piece of shit. So when you eventually get to the end of the third case and Edgeworth helps you out, theres this massive sense of wow holy crap this guy is nice, and then the fourth case just doubles down on that.

Honestly. Just tell him its a bad adaptation :) maybe hell watch atla with you :)

I just finished watching the original series a few months ago and my dad would say the same thing. He ended up watching a few episodes with me and he enjoyed it.

Instead she taught him that ladies are easy and he doesn't even have to try. Oops, looks like they did the lesson in reverse!

Yes! Also Sokka gets told and mocked every. Sexist. Quip. He throws. Every. Single. Time. He was obviously always shown as being in the wrong!
Now in this show its become a part of the story itself lmao
Suki is mothering Sokka because she finds him hot

Growing up isolated as a kid sokka legitimately taught me that girls are equals and are capable. I always loved that part of the show because of how much impact it had on my own life and the straight up ruined it.

and somehow made the scene more sexist, by making Suki into only love interest first and a character second.

Not to mention he wasn't even that sexist? He had some shitty views on women due to the fact that none of the women in his life challenged that viewpoint. Then all it took was three interactions with Suki for him to go "oh I guess I was wrong". He's a three dimensional character. He's arrogant and stubborn but he will admit it when he's wrong.

right? like that scene was to show how ruthless and monster-like ozai was, not only would he steal candy from a baby he'd yeet a stroller into a lake too for fun if it meant showing off his power lmao

It is so important to Zuko's character that he is not naturally a talented firebender because it adds to his frustration with himself not being able to please Ozai. Zuko has to work extremely hard to become a good firebender with Iroh showing him how the other elements can be implemented in his firebending as well. Having him be strong enough to defeat Ozai during the Agni Kai detracts from Ozai's menace and Zuko's journey. Zuko did not want to fight his father because he loved him, and to Ozai, love and compassion are weaknesses. To have Zuko fight back diminishes his love and respect towards towards his father, that he later learns is undeserved. Having Zuko starting off that strong also will change the dynamics between him and Azula as Azula was "born lucky" and Zuko was "lucky to be born." Azula is a prodigy and Zuko is a late bloomer which causes tension that is spurred on by Ozai. Azula uses her natural power and Ozai's favor to torture Zuko who is weaker and more passive. Zuko has to learn that might does not make right and this series is not setting him up for that journey.

exactly! which is what establishes ozai to be ruthless and cruel, and zuko to being his opposite

​@somebody3558 Not to mention that it completely negates his and Aang's journey to learn about firebending. Zuko's firebending comes from the rage and pain of being a failure in his father's eyes. When he makes the decision to break from his father, he loses his ability to firebend. Having him be powerful enough to defeat Ozai, but not doing so out of love or compassion, completely destroys the whole plot line of him and Aang discovering the Sun Warriors civilization. Although I suppose that plot line was already destroyed when they made Aang less childlike and more serious. Aang doesn't take firebending seriously, hurts Katara, and then refuses to firebend again out of fear. Aang, like Zuko, cannot see how firebending can be anything more than pain and destruction.

@@cheyenne6913 Jeong Jeong adds to this by that also being his view, which he does a damn good job of imparting onto his temporary pupil. Roku would not approve. If he appeared afterward, that is.

OOO you’re in for a treat: “a deep dive into everything wrong with the new avatar show” by A Clockwork Reader :)

I'm not really sure there are sets. It seems mostly like awful blue screen.
Also IMDb might as well be useless for qualitative assessment of television shows especially. The ratings are always overblown, and not in a way that's consistent

And they are absolutely going to use that plot-thread in book 3 because they will have totally forgotten that they wrote Zuko to be a strong bender from day one 🙄

The entire point of him wanting the avatar was because he was untalented at violent pursuits

@@AYVYNnot even close

@@hassabarabi8755 How? It’s an ultra-militaristic regime and he wanted to prove he wasn’t a pansy. He constantly got assigned the lowest quality soldiers and supplies.

And it was super important for his relationship with Azula and his sense of identity. He had to work for everything, he was "lucky" to be born, while Azula was the prodigy from an early age. Zuko wasn't very powerful at the start, and it helped make Zhao into a more intimidating villain once Katara, another prodigy, was able to beat Zuko despite having way less training. Making Zuko strong from the start takes away his struggles and how much he had to work for everything from earning his father's praise, to not being upstaged by his sister, to his efforts to capture the avatar.

It also makes Pakku’s refusal all the more asinine. An aspect of that which I think is too often overlooked and could have been said more overtly.

And it's so important to her because she is the _last_ southern water tribe bender. (Excluding Hama, who we meet later). For most of her life, Katara believes she is the last person who can keep this part of her culture alive, and she's right.

There's a lot to be said (by someone better connected to their indigenous roots than me) with how indigenous women have been stripped of their importance in their culture in the face of outside threats to traditional ways of life. Reaching out for elder wisdom only to find trauma and unhealed wounds from decades past is such a common experience from what I've seen. To this day, the biggest fans I meet of the show are Native.

@@lukaj679 Native and indigenous to where? Like the Southern Water Tribe are based on indigenous Eskimo/Innuit culture, the Earth Kingdom are mostly based on indigenous Chinese culture etc. It's very vague to refer to "indigenous people" and "natives" without being specific as to what place you're talking about.

@@saint4life09 I was referring to Katara and her culture, but irl my interactions have been from people from my continent, specifically Ojibwe, Díne, and Potawatomi

okay legit question. IS it better to be kicked in the face than in the balls? i get that crotch shots are incredibly painful, but head trauma can legit fuck up your LIFE
so not the point, but u got me wondering

​@@battyrae1398I mean one normal kick probably wont cause permeant damage to the head but getting kicked in the balls could permeantly hurt you and hurts more

Balls worse
Let's put it this way
Flicking ur finger to my face is annoying
Do the same to my balls I shall wish for death for several lifetimes 😢​@@battyrae1398

getting kicked by balls in your face

oooh... kinky@@asphyxious4605

So much more impactful and really emphasizes the point that these are all just CHILDREN forced to grow up too soon because adults started an unnecessary war.
They all just wanted to go home 😢

​@@Life_of_Ty So true

Wanted to go home AND make his father proud.

Dont forget restoring his honour!

@@j_fenrir I'm pretty sure live action zuko only says honor once in the entire series!

@wendella.4074 did I say I thought it was bad? I said I thought it was hilarious.

@@wendella.4074 this was the most brain dead thing i’ve ever read. please tell me it was satire-

And she says it in the most absolutely deadpan unemotional way

@@TheeWandaStanmost definitely bait. Every comment they’ve left on this video are the most horrific, clearly stupid takes imaginable.

​@@wendella.4074 obvious bait

The fact that they Netflix didn't even consider taking the chance to turn that into a action scene surprises me. They could have shown a scene of him getting cornered before zooming in, him saying, "I won't be going down alone," or something like that, then cut to the present.

it’s hardly even a theory. there’s no other explanation. like bloodbending, the act of bending the air out of someone’s lungs (breathbending, i guess?) is one of those techniques that is entirely taboo, especially to a pacifist nation like the air nomads, but still very much possible. only meant to be used in a time of dire need.

@@GhostedMemes It's kinda sad bc it shows that whoever wrote this part wasn't even interested enough to entertain what that scene could mean. Not imaginative at all.

But the skeleton wouldn’t be burned… the flesh would. Right?

@@GhostedMemes corny ahh marvel line

I couldn’t watch anymore after that episode

Yes. I hated netflix bumi. The main reason i love bumi the most in the og was because he reminded so much and also acts the same way as my late my great grandpa. They're both senile but funny,loving and strong over 100 years old men. I was super eager to watch that episode and ended with disappointment.

Exactly!

It was a great way to experience the story from Aang’s perspective as a scared kid

real

I remember talking about the show to my friends and I was like they waited until two episodes to show Ozai's face.
An incredible amount of restraint. lol

The first scene is sozin not ozai but i agree they should’ve kept him hidden like the animated version does

The trait that annoys me the most is when she's so mean or snarky to others for no reason other than to desperately try to convince the viewer that she's "badass" or "tough". It's never portrayed as a flaw that she eventually learns and grows from, that's just how she is and she stays that way throughout the whole thing. It's exhausting to listen to.

They take a patriarchal understanding of strength and how women being “strong” in any regard means projecting “masculine” qualities onto a woman

we need to be talking about this WAY more. Strong characters navigate emotions, they don’t abandon or ignore them.

It’s like they think “fixing” sexism is giving women toxic masculinity, instead of showing the flaws in that mindset

Its not that we should respect women because they’re just like the stereotypical man(emotionally detached), we should respect women because they are people

very very disappointing

I would say 2 iroh and zuko were both perfect

​@@sonfoku73I disagree with Iroh. Serious Iroh is definitely perfect. But they completely cut his more jovial, humorous, and we barely get any of the Iroh wisdom

I wish sokka and katara were darker tbh

@@garretheatherman3074 they made him too serious because Iroh liked to flirt with women and we can't allow that in the "modern age"

exactly!! it's such effective teaching. it works as both a message that sexism is disrespectful (and pretty silly/unreasonable) behavior, and to show that it's a pattern of thinking/decisions that can be changed by the person doing it.
You would think that a story that is (in theory) a heavier and more mature adult-aimed retelling would have room for *more* nuance now -- why would they scrap character development entirely instead of digging deeper into its complexities?!

I imagine that it was also really good for boys who probably saw that they or their friends acted like Sokka, but learned that they shouldn't because it's harmful and stupid.
Like, they think "I want to be cool like Sokka!" and part of what makes him cooler is that he gets past a personal flaw and becomes more open-minded.

i totally relate. my parents inflicted us with the classic sexist gender roles "you girls stay in the house and clean while your brothers play outside" kinda garbage, and seeing katara being annoyed and standing up for herself and sokka eventually changing was AMAZING. i remember it so vividly. i related to katara so much as a kid. this dynamic was such an important aspect of their characters and it's such an important lesson for viewers!!!

Well it’s sort of a redundant point made again with Master Paku. And Sokka has way more characterization from being sexist for the first four episodes

I've mentioned it in another comment but yeah. It bugs me that if you watch the show Sokka only says sexists things in two episodes. Once in the first episode which leads to Katara finding Aang and in the 4th with the Kyoshi warriors. To me it feels like the creative team knew Sokka made sexist comments and thought he was like that the entire series when the reality is it gets shut down very quickly yet is still a major aspect of his arc.
In my best explanation-- Sokka's actions are just as much of a direct result the war in the way Katara's motherliness is. In his perception he was left behind because he wasn't man enough-- he was still a kid when their father left but by far the oldest left seeing as all the other men were like 8 and younger. He wanted to be something because he believed he had too by example, and yes it manifested in a shitty way. But Sokka very quickly is turned around to seeing what actually makes a warrior and leader, beyond gender and perception of masculinity and it makes him better in so many ways-- Sokka didn't need to be given Katara's arc of 'growing up too fast to take care of the family' because Sokka was forced to grow up just as fast it's just Katara shaped herself into being motherly while Sokka digressed into being self conscious. It just feels so much like seeing the word 'sexist' and Michael Goi got scared instead of wanting to actually create a conversation about it.

Yeah 'cause God forbid strong women from beign nurturing!

right

I really hope they don't do the same to Azula. One of my antagonists in TV history.

@@Paratetthis is a comment of all time

They got rid of it for another “girl power” protagonist. Nothing wrong with girl power, but main characters should be flawed, individuals, and grow. Here they just…removed all that and said “she strong” and that’s it

I guess they didn’t wanna be seen as sexist so they just took away anything seen as feminine on womanly because….. women shouldn’t be feminine…? And they replaced her with absolutely nothing. Even Toph enjoyed some feminine things like wearing dresses and doing makeup. She liked her spa day with Katara. And Toph was putting on a front with her whole “idc about what people think about me, I’m blind so idc about appearances.” Katara seeing right through it said “I know you don’t care but you are really pretty” and Toph was really happy with that. It just sucks that writers think a female character having feminine traits is inherently sexist and bad. THAT in itself is sexist

exactly, like if i could comprehend the complexities of the show when i was 7 years old, doing so again at my big age nOW REALLY SHOULDNT BE AN ISSUE LIKE I PROMISE I CAN HANDLE IT

The cartoon was so much more mature than any remake could ever be. This is why the DCEU is unnecessary and we would be better off if it didn't exist

I think the reason for this is that the old money who has way too much say on how shows are made didn’t grow up seeing this sort is story. It’s new and strange and incomprehensible to them and they DO need it spoon fed to them.

Plus, live action isn't more mature than animation. Animation is an artwork, and all of these live action adaptations, from Disney to Netflix, are missing the beauty of that artwork.

This is why I like children's media way more ;-;

Yeah, W take

Don't translate.....
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु ‎...

it’s so disappointing to see a character that subverts gendered expectations and provide consequences to misogyny be turned into a sexualised object for a character to ogle at and have her personality (and the message that told) stripped from her

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"We worried that if Sokka was dismissive of women and then got corrected, people might see that as objectifying women. We wanted to correct that, so we turned women into oversexed reproductive machines that can't function if their ovaries are activated.
"We want people to know that women are physically capable and the only thing that's stopping them is their silly women feelings."

the way suki ended up basically thanking sokka was wild

It’s just
Book 1:
at this point.

How is that an issue? It would be one if they titled the first season "Water". But no, it's just "season 1" ._.

@@sinixyntawhat book do you think season 1 of the live action covers…? let’s use our critical thinking please

@@strawr7198 I've been arguing with that guy for a while, they don't know how to think.

@@sinixyntais it hard living without a brain?

No your not

@@yungsinnxr5397whose not is this

>speaking as an academic
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Beautifully explained. The changes to her personality aren't empowering, it's basically a reinforcement of the whole "girls are so emotional and it's annoying" stereotype.

That last line lmao 😂 you described the Netflix version so well.

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What a great Statement

Baby girl not to take away from you but Jamaican is a NATIONALITY not a race. You’re multi cultured. As am I being Afro Syrian Jamaican.
Also I hated EVERYTHING to do with this Sokka and Suki.

@@aanyamallick7747 I think you misunderstood them here, they’re biracial and clearly the black side of their family is Jamaican. My ethnicity is Jamaican and Nigerian but my nationality is British and my race is black. Jamaica can be both a nationality and an ethnicity but not a race, which luckily nobody said it was.

thinking that the story was already written by athoer people in 2004 makes it even worse

jessie gender did a great video that goes even more into depth on that specific arc, highly recommend

Fr like, "we decided to fundamentally hollow out a strong female character and reduce her to a love interest, as a treat to the feminists"

Nah she still shows that she knows more than Sokka when she is teaching him. I don’t like that they took away him learning more of a lesson but it’s really not that bad as people are making it out to be.

imagine taking away the diegetic sexism and replacing it with non-diegetic sexism

the spoon-feeding just makes me so mad. nicque marina i believe (did not spell that right please correct me im sorry 😭) did a little rant about how we got to this point and she was so right. the ridiculous amount of exposition, insanity of sokka’s remakes, the destruction of suki, ozai and katara’s characters, and so many other elements (get it) made this such a lackluster remake. the actors are doing their best and I won’t fault them for it; but this remake was so unnecessary.

That might change after he masters all four. They can say that line in the animation because of the line in the intro saying he's got a lot of work until he can save anyone

Especially since, if they just used the narration of the original show, it wouldn’t have been a problem. Katara literally says “only the avatar, master of all four elements, could stop them”
It’s implied that there is only one avatar by the *the* proceeding avatar in the sentence, which then results in the “master of all four elements” part being connected to the ‘singular avatar’ implication. This results in most, if not all, of the audience realizing, yes, there is only one person who can master all the elements
The original narration was perfect

@@prequel_moment First 10 minute made me not like the show. The part where the earth soldier had to repeat and explain in simple terms what Sozin just said.

I fucking hate shows that tell and don't just show, spoon feeding information like we're dumb. I hate that shit and always makes me stop watching

You also missed the point of zuko

Not even mentioning how well this illustrates how Zuko is a good person deep down. He wants to save as may fire nation lives as possible which is why he speaks up in the meeting in the first place. Then he refuses to fight someone he calls family. His father tried to kill that piece of Zuko by burning him.
But the netflix version makes zuko care about "the throne that is rightfully his" instead of wanting to earn his families love and acceptance back. And fights his father in the agni kai... after waiting a little bit lol killing his character faster than you can say "Compassion is a sign of weakness"

@@halodeer everything they’ve done to humanize Ozai feels off. Ozai is a sociopath. any attempt to make us relate to him just tastes sour to me. same with Azula. the story doesn’t work if they’re not cold, unfeeling monsters. i appreciate them trying to give us a way to relate to them beyond that, but ATLA did the job in The Beach. that’s the closest we ever got to intimately learning about Zuko’s family, and it worked perfectly.
if Ozai and Azula truly care about Zuko more than their thrones, the whole story falls apart. maybe they’ll make this new characterization make sense, but i’m doubtful.

@@hurricanejaney Totally agree. ATLA is an allegory for WW2 (Ozai being H*tler) so we don't need to get to know Ozai to know hes evil and the gaang needs to defeat him. His personality/backstory doesn't add anything to the story and characters so it makes sense they don't develop his character at all.
Off topic but I liked that they made the evil guy have zero personality in the og show. Its more powerful for kids to grow up believing they can defeat the evil in the world no matter how untouchable and unrelatable they seem (even if the evil is their own parent, if you're looking at it from Zuko's perspective).

@@halodeer straight up. if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. there’s no need to change anything; the original series is perfect. just translate it to live-action, episode by episode, and they’d have that Game of Thrones-type audience foaming at the mouth. if they can’t do that, then they ought to leave well enough alone. i don’t want to gatekeep but the idea of anyone watching the live-action series without seeing the original makes me cringe

The moment when Zuko finally breaks free of his father's influence in season 3 is so momentous. I mean, they are both just there and Zuko doesn't even raise his voice. No pyrotechnics, no fighting, just a promise. It's so powerful.

​@@BiittiriisiAnd Zuko actual pratical reaction to Ozai's attack in the throne room in season 3 is made much better by the fact that Zuko had never reacted before, it shows us that he is truly free from Ozai, to the point were he is not afraid to fight back. Now that he reacted in their Agni Kai this scene will have much less impact

@@Prometeu21 Haven't watched the netflix adaptation but there's also the detail that it was the first time Zuko redirected lightning, a much stronger, faster lightning created by his own father. His retaliation against his father proved Zuko's strength mentally, but his reaction time proved his physical strength. Not to mention it's a move entirely created by Iroh, showing how much he loved and respected his uncle.

FR WHY DOES EVERY CHARACTER NEED TO HAVE ZUKO'S DADDY ISSUES NOW 😭

Bruhhh! It was a pivotal thing in the beginning of Book 3 to contrast Ozai with Hakoda, and show how better at fathering Hakoda is. And that's because he loves his children unconditionally while Ozai only tolerates and accepts Zuko back because he thinks he did something "heroic" (killing the Avatar).
In the original, Sokka always had this mindset of wanting to make his dad proud, and wanting his dad to see him as a grown man. And every single time Hakoda is on-screen with Sokka, he reiterates on how much he loves and is proud of his son.
"There's no Netflix adaptation in Ba Sing Se" 🙂

What, for real? That's so stupid, Sokka and Katara's dad is like the one good father in the show lol

@@DiogoChris THISSSSSSS OMLLLL Hakoda is a direct opposite to Ozai (and i would argue so is Iroh, but thats a seperate essay). He's supposed to remind us that, As a man of Power and Influence, he still has responsibility to take care of his kids and he loves them and cares for them with such grace. Sokka and Katara are great comparisons to Zuko and Azula, in a lot of ways i wont go into directly but they are the products of how their parents treated them. Katara and Sokka are always striving to be better, to do better, not (just) because they feel like they have to (i say just because of the whole war thing going on), but because they want to be better people for their family, to help, to provide, to care for, to nurture. Azula and Zuko feel required to prove themselves, literally and figuratively, because otherwise they don't deserve a place amongst family. The constant pressure to perform for the bare minimum. Zuko is only able to get out of that mindset because he has Iroh who shows him that love isn't earned but is unconditional.
i say all this to say that we lose such a cascade of characterization from both sides, good and bad, by that one detail change. People say Zuko wasn't done so bad but his characterization depends so much on all the characters around him that even through this he looses so much more than people think he does. All the characters lose, we lose, because netflix decided to make a dumb edgy version of Atla

​@@Crysta11ize I don't know what they are talking about. In the Netflix show, his dad literally protected him from the truth that he failed his boating trial. He's a great dad in the Netflix show. It's literally not "for no reason"

What’s annoying is that she thanks HIM for ‘showing her the world’. But in the animation, SUKI is the one who shows Sokka the wider world of women actually fighting and protecting their people. It’s so crazy that they reduced Suki to being a thirsty warrior

@@IsraelLlerena it just seems that they got all the script but never uynderstood anything about what this is about and just scrapped it

The funniest part about that is they were like "we're going to make sokka not sexist, so that we can create sexist interpretations of other characters"

@@samuelgehm5149Yeah, I was about to comment on that

Damn you nailed it so well lmao

And way more impactful than a cheesy “compassion is weakness,” like come on. That’s some serious 12 year old edge lord shit.

​@@ethanduke3005 Damn was that a quote from the live action? That's so silly.

@@egg1223did you finish the video you're commenting on?

@@Nlkysome people like to look at the comments before finishing the video! It’s ok :)

@@ethanduke3005 If this "Compassion is weakness" pays off when we see Ursa, i think it might just be worth it. only just tho

Atla isn't anime

The thing about anime is that 90% of it is shit made to appeal to weirdos and/or the lowest common denominator, you need to find the good ones (and to be fair, the good ones are REALLY good)

The original didn't have sexism it beated the racism out of sokka. Which is like negetive sexism by my book.

​@Man-of-Steel674 um it didn't precisely beat the racism out of him😅 but yeah I agree

Hahaha so true! 😂 really sad. The show stinks but the actors and actresses are nice to watch!

Soooo bad

@@Man-of-Steel674 what do you meqn

It's not unadaptable but there's just no point in it. The show accomplished what it wanted to and then some.

Why dont they adapt korra. That show was pretty rough and you could fix a lot of things with an adaptation. Why try to change a near perfect show.

@@ashleycraig8223
I imagine it's cuz Korra doesn't have the fanbase that ATLA does. So while it would still draw impressive numbers, it wouldn't be as impressive as Avatar. Also, let's be honest, while giving Korra another shot to be done better is a good idea, I imagine a live action Korra would also wind up worse than the original. They just don't care enough about story, only visuals.

@@AxelKNG fair enough. I guess I give them too much credit

This is the fundamental problem with remakes. The passion gets squeezes out of it.

They decided to fire all the writers and probably used AI.

​@@HowManyHintsDoYouNeedactually the head "writer" for the netflix adaptation is a sports journalist. (I m not even kidding, check him, albert kim)
This is just a sad case of nepotism. Incompetents are put in charge and shyte hits the fan ... Classic.

And it doesn t need a long scene.
In the original there is a short scene with aang and katara sledging on penguins.
Katara " ahaha, i haven t done this since i was a kid"
Aang "but you are a kid?!"
Takes 10 sec to establish she had to mature quickly because of war and doesn t see herself as a kid. Boom, job done.
Instead the netflix gives us 2 min of grangran redoing the intro exposition... What a waste of time.

I've been watching through the original show for the first time, and i just finished s1,
i feel like it's episode 1 they're ridinh penguins and Katara yells "I haven't done this since i was a kid!" and Aang replies "You are a kid!"
and they just gloss over it, but it works so well to establish who she is as a character.
this

they took SO MUCH from all of the characters in this show. it really feels like they shaved this awesome show down to just 1 dimensional characters and dialogue. i really wanted to like the show but it is just so bad. I've seen people argue that it is a good show if you never watched the original but it just simply isn't. the characters aren't just awful because they are a watered down version of the originals, they are also awful because they had no depth at all.

I like how once aang realizes it's bumi he knows he and his friends were never in danger. he knew their friendship would hold over 100 yrs and bumi was just pranking him, it rlly contrasts w/ how frustrated he was thru the ep when he didn't know who it was

EXACTLY! I stopped watching after the Bumi stuff

Revealing and then fighting = I don’t even recognize my friend anymore. He’s so different.
But fighting and then revealing = I didn’t recognize him at first but that’s my best friend and he hasn’t changed a bit.

They made Bumi dumb as a baby instead of a wise 112 year old man. Who was a reminder nothing is too late

do you guys remember when aang recognizes bumi in the original show, after saying his name, and getting confirmation, he literally wells up in tears? that's literally the moment aang realizes not all was lost after he saw the aftermath of the air nomad genocides. in this one bumi hates him for leaving cause they mixed his personality with the old man from the storm

OOOOH. that’s good.

It's always animation that displays these emotions better than live action.
Not just ATLA, but also Mulan when they walked into the village nearing the end of a goofy, optimistic song to the empty, broken village with just a children's toy remaining on the ground. It made the main villain way more scary in anticipation for the final fight.
Same for into the spiderverse when Spiderman was killed by Kingpin. We didn't even see him get killed technically. Just a loud shout, a slam of the fists and then a quick and ruthless line "get rid of the body", confirming the death. Audiences couldn't even believe it until the scenes of news reports confirming the death and the grave scene. Which further played with emotions when Peter B showed up and my first reaction was "Did Spiderman turn into a zombie? Spider-powers kept him alive?" which got answered with the whole comic book intro joke.
Show, don't tell.

Yeah I found it really weird that they showed the air nomad genocide on screen. It was especially weird that it was at night, when fire benders are most weak

some of my favorite advice is very similar, of giving your conflict a face. don't just say there was a radioactive leak into the water and its ruining the wildlife, have someone see a mutated deer drinking from the river. it gives the reader/watcher/player enough of an idea to know exactly what's going on without disregarding their intelligence and just shoving the explanation in their face. avatar does it so well, while nexflix,,, yeah

One of the worst changes on a sea of terrible ones Disney did with their live actions; when Mulan and her comrades are cheerfully singing about their ideal babes… just to find an obliterated village with a doll whose owner clearly is not longer alive - that’s brutal and well done while the adaptation butchered it completely.

Oh it gets worse!

I couldn't finish ep 2 😅

I also couldn't finish episode 1. Straight up terrible opener to one of the best shows ever.

All of his lines are extremely canned and makes it sound like he's ready to break out his soap box

I couldn’t get past the first 8minutes. You are much more tolerant than I 😂

I wouldn't be surprised if most Netflix properties _did_ go with the first or second draft purely bc of the executive's laziness.

@@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead I was thinking about that and I am almost positive it's the truth

not atla

you mean everyone else just wanted to hear him be sexist. i hate this overused and untrue misogynistic statement so much. "his ENTIRE character arc" if you and everyone else really thinks him being sexist was his whole character you were not watching the show at all

They also, in an effort to remove the sexism le bad from the show, ended up entirely removing Pakku's entire story and connection to Katara. Robbing Katara of MORE arcs that would've saved her already more boring portrayal. That was supposed to be the peak of her arc of proving herself to everyone else.

Lol I kinda agree, both their arcs were rushed and suck now, and no not every one just wanted to see sexism. That wasn't his entire character arc for the whole show, but it was definitely a huge part of it. Honestly the show deconstructs sexism very well and probably helped create a lot of future feminism, so they really just wasted that chance in the end

​@@eden22.7Idk Drew's points on this hits the nail on the head. If you don't understand why it's important to either be there or be replaced with something else, then you're exactly the type of people the writers are catering to. It doesn't HAVE to be sexism. He got past it right after his stuff with Suki so it's easily replaced. But what they replaced it with is worthless.
They just change seemingly small things not realising how much those small things mean and doesn't replace it with anything else. Aang not running away. Sokka's conflict with Suki. Pakku's arc and connection to Katara (which imo is EVEN WORSE cus now Pakku legitimately has no arc whatsoever.)
THEY didn't watch the show. THEY didn't understand the writing. And this strawman argument is just completely pointless when you understand that they could've EASILY removed the sexism and replaced it with something else. But they didn't. Because they didn't realise it served a plot purpose. Because they didn't watch it. Stop excusing bad writing.

@@eden22.7 Hyperbolism doesn't suit you either as an argument against perceived hyperbolism.
Sokka's sexism fuels his initial character and subsequent development through the end of the Water book.

They’re even more powerful when you think of the fact that every other bender has a weakness; water can only bend if there’s water nearby, earthbenders (as bumi said) can only bend if they see earth (besides toph) and firebenders can only bed fire in conditions that fire can exist in, whereas air exists everywhere and without it everything would die. So really the only weakness for airbenders is their own skill and willpower

THIS. I couldn't put into words why it bothered me but you've done it perfectly. I wish they hadn't shown us

Not a small gripe!! Valid and correct gripe!! I couldn’t figure out exactly why I didn’t like that we saw the fight at all

They also played down the firebenders in that sceen. The fire arme is just a bunch of people throwing fireballs. We dont see how the meteor makes them more powerfull, as you said it just looks like the air nomads are weak. Not only is ther no sign of how the comet is powering them up, that way its like the comet doesnt power them up at all! In the cartoon it was always this "When the comet arrives the firebenders will be invincible" there is real horror in there, which is proven right by the massive flame wall they used to scorch the land, from the airships. Like this i dont feel like it will be bad if the comet comes, we already saw what it can do and it doesnt look like much.

@@shae.2214 Wow. Never thought of that before... I feel like if I could bend any element it would be Air.

I guess you could say the same of books too

same with Disney. no one ever asked for a Live action Lion King or Aladdin; those films work so fine, because they are animated. The live action versions take away from the personality of the films and characters

i dont think thats 100% true considering they are putting more love into creating anime and you also have arcane that had alot of adult parts. i think its more the directors of the show and maybe some overreach but just look at the fact that the original creators of last airbender where working with them but left part way through so sounds like the people involved just didint care not so much the studio

@@gordatadosat least with a book it takes a literary medium into a visual medium - there is more change which makes book adaptations more justified.

I feel like they could easily just make another avatar universe series and keep it animated either going forward again (the next after Korra in a world with 2000-esque tech) or tell the stories of well known avatars like Kyoshi or Yangchen (both could be a more mature series since Kyoshi was known to be ruthlessly practical and yangchen is a story of a powerful monk having to grapple with the dilemma of selfishly choosing her own pacifism or using violence to make the world more peaceful).
They wouldn’t have to compare to the original show as closely and they’d obviously still get some backlash (legend of korra got a lot of hate even though it was objectively pretty good). There are also tonnes of plot lines they could explore in the world of avatar since they have only just touched how bending could integrate into technology, the inequality issues of having only some benders etc.

KRplusr Little Joel said it best. "We never see Aang have fun. We only see him watch kids play and smile so that the audience knows that he likes fun"

Also implies that they didn't go through with their war plan, which, of course they did

Were all like sokka "the effects were decent"

if they reveal that Toph is gonna be a 7ft tall behemoth that screams to see, I might consider watching season 2

Yes the changes are certainly intentional. It's clear that katara and sokkas family dynamic is completely different, and that theyre setting it up for katara to blossom into an assertive strong bender

it’s so sad to me that the actors (especially kiawentiio, at least from what i’ve seen) are receiving hate for their acting in the show. it’s not their fault the writers and directors absolutely missed the mark.

@@eden22.7too bad they forgot to write some emotions for Katara

they have so much personality and chemistry in interviews together and the writers/directors managed to capture none of that in the show

​@@drewisgooden it'd almost be impressive, if it wasn't so sad

Differences between men and women! Can't do that in current year!

@@KrodaStagg you're pathetic

⁠@@KrodaStaggwhat are you talking about? everyone in this current year is upset about the changes. the only ppl who think you can’t do it are these studio executives for some reason

@@KrodaStagg ...lol wut
the comment wasn't about the differences between men and women? who was talking about that? Granted I'm not actually totally clear on the original poster's point--like yes Sokka's blatant mysogeny stops being a thing after Suki's iconic line, but that doesn't mean he stops growing as a person and leader. Sure it's not really realistic for one interaction with somebody to stop all mysogeny, but it's a story so we can grant it a degree of poetic liscense. Still, what does all that have to do with the differences between men and women? Indeed it's more about the similarities between men and women, she literally says that she can be a warrier in... in the same way that a man... can... ah shit this is bait isn't it!
dagnabit see this is why i don't have twitter, i am totally that sjw snowflake who can't resist replying to some dumb comment that's obviously only said to draw people like me who like correcting people like moths to the flame
Ah well--either way I kinda like the implication that Suki was just so badass and awesome that she was the catalyst for Sokka to stop being an entitled shithead to his sister/mom figure. I've never really given her much thought before, but thank you for making me ruminate on the awesomeness of Suki, random youtube comment

@@constantlybored no, the ones who are upset are the fans, most people don't care.

This reminds me of Sokka's quote (from the original) "I feel like I've lost part of my identity. Imagine if you lost your arrow, or if Katara lost her... hair loopies!" I think it perfectly encapsulates the entire show, but especially Zuko and his scar.

Can't make characters with facial scars too gross looking in live adaptations. He can join the many, many other novel and cartoon characters with facial scars that suffered this. The idea of what is 'acceptably' ugly in movies/TV shows is very narrow. He could be a supermodel and they still wouldn't let him have a proper full size scar.

​​@@calamitysangfroid2407 tbh I don't know why they're so afraid of giving him an "ugly" scar when the poor guy is gonna have to wear that hideous bald ponytail anyway 😂

He disfigured him primarily because Zuko REFUSED to fight, which Ozai interpreted as his son’s weakness. The whole point of how Ozai respected power over anything else is dispensed in the live action remake, unfortunately.

i always noticed that in the original, homie lost his eyebrows because of his scar and that eye is in a permanent squint because of the scar tissue, but in the live action his eyebrows are still intact and yeah it really feels like he just has a weird birthmark.
I'm not saying they should've yoinked the actor's eyebrows, but...

DANG what a good quote

that's such a good quote

And a quote for the Netflix adaptation is: "Hero good, villain bad".

Bro wtf that’s so good and such a good representation of how good this show is, the cartoon I mean

When you set a course for the light, but, metaphorically as well as literally

Not only that but I wouldn’t be surprised if they kept wasting their budget on so many of these set pieces, it forced them to have all these tell don’t show scenes with people dumping exposition. They didn’t have money left to film more scenes that would have required massive post production work. Which again, shows why animation is more appropriate sometimes.

Isn't the entire point of ATLA animation kindness and empathy?
Horrible remake

YES! The fact that in This Political Climate they decided it was a good idea to visually depict a horrific genocide at the VERY BEGINNING of this show? NOW????? And the genocide was portrayed with so much more solemnity and respect in the original, without showing a single airbender being murdered on-screen. It just makes me very sad. I watched the first episode and couldn't go any further.

yuppp it was so much more impactful in the cartoon because we werent told or shown the genocide, but we could make a guess w/ the way Sokka and Katara were acting. it sets up dramatic irony, we are anticipating the moment Aang finds out what happened to his people. and just finding skeletal remains leaves much more to the imagination, which somehow makes it more horrifying? like if they wanted to make it more "for adults" they could've left more morbid/unsettling clues Aang would be oblivious to or in denial about. maybe plates left on a table for a dinner that would never be eaten, children's toys with scorch marks. would have made him discovering his mentor's skeleton a better pay-off, because it's what forces him come to terms with reality, takes away any denial about what the fire nation is doing. it would also be the first blow to his child-like mindset, his innocence. the flashy scenes of firebenders murdering people really takes away the horrific nature of a genocide and dumbs it down like a baby sensory video- but for grown ups!

It really does feel like the difference between a war movie and a War Movie. People who respect these important, dark subjects understand that the event itself isn't the important thing; it's the aftermath. Making the fire nation's slaughter into a generic fantasy spectacle feels so tacky compared to the scene in the original, where we only learn what happened after Aang finds Gyatso's skeleton. It's showing us what they did AND the impact it has on him as the sole survivor, and it does so without showing a single actual murder.

alright i'll pause the video until you're done

give a shoud when we can unpause again

@@drewisgooden Thanks so much, KRplus should really add that as a feature.

@@luukarkesteijn694 Will do; should be aaany minute now, I swear.

Congratz lmao

The original writers left on their own.