Cavs players have a problem with coach John Beilein's style, according to a report | The Jump
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- 게시일 2019. 12. 05.
- Rachel Nichols, Ramona Shelburne and Kendrick Perkins react to a report in The Athletic that Cleveland Cavaliers players are tuning out first-year head coach John Beilein and turning to assistant J.B. Bickerstaff.
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One anonymous player talks about the coach, and it becomes a story?
Like Perkins said “put your name behind it”
You mean unonymous?
John who?
Source = a veteran player's mother. 😀😀😀
Danny Burns ?
3 Players, but yeah
Perk talk like his voice Chopped and Screwed
bruh XD
😂😂😂
Well he is from Texas.
He talks like millions of other people
Smartguy1002 I knew it
The problems are their guards who avg 1 assist a game each
Dexter Paranada that’s not the problem🤦🏾♂️
That actually is their problem. Their guards are selfish and don’t know how to run a team
Ryan Schick for one you clearly don’t watch Cavs games to know anything if you think their guards are “selfish”. Secondly assists of a point guard arent a measurement of team production. It’s just a stat. They have 5 players averaging over 10ppg, one of few teams to do that. Their main problem is their defense and lack of depth. Though I do agree that Garland is horrible at the point guard position scoring wise, Sexton is maxing out his role on this team and shouldn’t take the blame for being thrown into this clusterfuck combo guard offense.
@@RussellMonstarWestbrook Your username shows why you don't think that's a problem XD
A Tribe Called Quest I don’t find a correlation... try again
maybe if they didnt play like a college team, their coach wouldnt coach them like that
Truth
afromp Belein is a college coach
"Unanimous sources"
Perk you mean anonymous sources my dude.
The Last Uchiha loooooooooooooooooooool
Brooks Orlando yeah but i’d still trade him W2’s as would you 😅
@@paulwalkeer1842 🤣🤣🤣 in a heart beat
I swear when I saw this earlier I had forgotten this team existed. Then couldn't believe they were being discussed on television. Kevin Love was a good player once.
He still is a good player, just a horrific team
@@neilpm12 man I liked him in Minnesota, but Cleveland is such an obscure team now, wasn't sure he even played any longer, I remember him have mental issues a that last time Bron was there.
Neil M He’s always been inefficient and too inconsistent. Never liked him
@@Jay-dn2pg I agree with inconsistency, but he is efficient
@@neilpm12 I can't consider him efficient when he shoots a career 44% FG. His career high was 47% and that's even before he was shooting 3's at a high rate. With an average of 44%, that comes out to A LOT of less than 40% fg shooting games. And that somewhat ties into the inconsistency. He's not always reliable.
I'm rich now, you can't yell at me 😤
Im sure the Coach isnt too fond of how they playets play either lol.
John who
Right
Imagine playing for the Cavs, and still having an opinion.
?
Onkel Kroko I would love to play for the Cavs I mean I’m in the NBA
Onkel Kroko U still getting paid millions sooooo....
College is coach-centric the players need to adjust to the coach. The League is player-centric the coaches should adjust to the players.
With the exception of Coach Gregg Popovich and the San Antonio Spurs.
@@mohammadcali554 Good point! I think Pop is great, possibly the 🐐. But, to play devil's advocate, if you think he did not luck out by getting Tim Duncan, the most coachable superstar EVER, you are mistaken. Tim ALLOWED Pop to coach his way. Other superstars probably would not have! What if he had the #1 pick a year earlier or later. That would have been AI or Olowokandi. Not the same buy-in, talent, and wouldn't be the same result. Proof: look at the Spurs with LA as the best player. Even Pop admitted he had to adjust to LA to make the player more comfortable.
His old af whatchu expect from a boomer
All the teams that have a dynasty have had a coach centric team, gsw, spurs, 04 pistons, 08 and 10 lakers and celts, 2011-15 bulls, 14-17 raptors these teams had a culture and system
How much does that happen with the great coaches though? Riley, Jackson, Doc, Pop etc. I think that B is a good coach and these guys that are 18 to 20 prob shouldn't have much to say since they are still developing skills to just be competitive in the league. Maybe a vet doesn't like the extra work or change in style but the vets on this team are prob not part of the long term plan of the Cavs anyway. The young players should be able and willing to adapt pretty quickly seeing most just left college.
Finally news that ain't bashing my Knicks.🤦♂️
Jon Beilein is a great coach. Give him more time in Cleveland and he’ll turn them into an elite team in a matter of a few years.
😂
bricks, straw, and lawn chairs the holy trinity of building materials
It's love all the sudden they say they are listening to offers for him
when did the cavs get a new head coach ?
In the summer
Not a big headline but yeah this dude was from Michigan State
@@ja4309 Michigan, not Michigan State
@@ja4309 pretty sure if Izzo decided to leave MSU it would be a big headline
0:20 it’s so bad in Cleveland that players are flopping against their own teammates during a timeout.
Looking like special education class 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@enderdadon696 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀
Jr smith put his name on it and we see how that worked out..that is why the source is anonymous
John Beilin is an outstanding coach. Cleveland without Lebron James is a losing franchise. Ultimately it comes down to this very simple concept, players are responsible for scoring the ball, defending the ball, rebounding the ball and passing the ball. If you're in the NBA and you can not preforme those basic fundamental skills which are the foundation for winning and losing, at a consistently high level, that's on you not the coach.
Lol... “No one expected Cleveland to do anything this year anyway...” Perkins
He is not lying and unless Cleveland lands the next Michael Jordan I doubt they will be relevant at all for the next decade
It’s Truu thoo 💯💯💯
jdelgado216 2 years later The Cavs are one of the best teams in the Eastern Conference and have 2 all stars and the Rookie of the Year front runner
Finally some talk about my Cavs 😁
If I had to guess this quote came from either Love or Clarkson. As long as Garland, KPJ, Sexton, and Osman are cool with Beilein it shouldn’t matter. TT the only vet who will prolly be on the team beyond this season
James K i think clarkson or larry nance
James K the rookies and osman will be klm with it imo as a fan the coach aint really the issue
I don’t think Love would say that. I think it was Nance cause his role has dropped
Peter Smith yeah
The Reaper I don’t think it was Nance he’s one of those players who’s gonna play hard regardless. Love has scored less than 10 points in 3/4 last games. He looks disinterested
on the draft prospect vid they listed Garland at 6'3 on google they list him at 6'1 both on the inside and the outside
I played for john at Canisius College. He’s a hall of fame coach but they are probably bitching about his offense called “2 gaurd”. I’m sure of it
"Unonomous?" 🤔
Erik Hopkins 😂😂🤣😂🤣
Probably Kevin Love who said this, he was looking dejected the other night after not getting the ball on the block a few times, then all of a sudden cavs open to trading him.
They were open to trading him before the season.
The problem is he should be coaching college. Cavs need a real coach.
Their alot to learn from college to NBA basketball, I remember coach k learned about NBA basketball from chuck Daley on the Olympics team, Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll made the successful jump from college football to NFL football
Cerl84 Brad Stevens didn’t have this problem. And Boston wasn’t as good when he was hired as they are now. He’s the reason behind it.
@@selfishstockton6123 dwane Casey Detroit pistons coach spend years learning NBA basketball john Berlin is more a basketball camp college basketball coach, teach fundamental of basketball ,great college x and 0 basketball coach
Please keep perk on the show 😂🤣
Cleveland Cavs head coach could retaliate, " Get me some better FINISHERS via Kevin Love trade & watch my offense succeed."
Truth
I think John Beilein is doing great, the team unexpectedly won 10games. I expected them to just win 15 games or less this season.
MMMMMAAAAAANNNNNN😂😂😂I LOVE PERK😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏HE'S FIRE😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏
ive never noticed perkins finger
Did he say unanimous source?
Because their leader Kevin Love thinks guys like Jimmy Butler doing early workouts is just a show. It's how you win.
Because it's stupid to humble-brag about working out at 3AM before team workouts at 10AM. Anyone who has ever played any sport knows that training smarter is more important than training longer.
@@Wheelio On non-game days he's in bed by 6. 3am is just when his day starts. No one said he's doing intense training at that time. Who knows what it is but it shows dedication. It sets an example. When your top guy is committed then the rest fall in line.
From what I remember he wasn't on social media or anything talking it up. It got reported when he was asked about it.
Yo ive always said this some so called allstars in this league should come off the bench. If you could only play one side of court especially as big man who gets cooked by every one on the opposition he shouldve been a bench player from the jump on the Cavs. He couldve been the likes of Kevin Mchale, Vinnie Johnson etc.
Wheelio Idk, I’d trust Jimmy over Love. One is in incredible shape playing the best basketball of his career rn and the other is in mediocre shape and basically just a 3 pt shooter now
I think its Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson bc reports came tht they are looking for trades for Thompson and Love
Perk you gotta get a better suit 😂😂😂
Everybody knew this was a bad idea from all angles.
Wonder how they gonna blame this on Lebron “the Coach Killer.”
Just cause Lebron is a coach killer doesn’t mean they gonna bring him into this. The media loves Lebron
Has no one learned from the past college-to-pro hirings of Callipari, Patino, etc?
Kevin McCoy ya but there’s also like Brad Stevens
@@peterjo5215 BINGO! When these young players stop acting like spoiled, entitled babies and actually buy in (like the young players in Boston) then maybe they may actually accomplish something.
Brad Stevens worked
ShaqXDeezil the problem is that this team really isn’t that young. Most of their players are pretty old (26-31) and have been apart of championship teams. With the exception of those who entered the league later, a good chunk of these players have been around since 2013 are nearing their 30s. While their younger players may have bought into the system, it is the older players that need to be convinced. In the case of Brad Stevens, most of his veteran players were out of Boston by the end of his first season and the younger players bought into the system. In the case of the Cavs, most of their veterans have egregious contracts with multiple years left that are hard to move. So unless the front office is able to move them, the veterans will continue to complain and they will continue to lose
@@gurnawazgill8576 Please you think K Love, Tristan Thompson, Clarkson, Nance or Delly are complaining about a new coach? It's not. It's the young players (per multiple reports) and it's because the new coach is criticizing their fundamentals. I do agree though that some of those veterans should be traded, primarily for cap purposes.
What were they doing last season ?
Was Ramona in Willow?
Like the situation in Bulls. An old-school coach plays stubborn to the changes in the game itself. Similarly, the same can also be said to the Spurs, Pops is struggling to adapt to the new play style of basketball.
Maybe but Pop has the support and achievements to back him up unlike a lot of coaches
No. Pop just don't have talent on his team. He maximized it
The first non Knicks drama all day
Perk need a new suit
He flee
@@gpropho he's what?!?!
The first non-lolknicks drama all day. Thank god.
Knicks is the gift that keeps on giving so there will be more!
As a Michigan basketball fan his style can definitely be frustrating, but it definitely worked there. Maybe it just doesn’t work in the NBA
What happened to Perk's ring finger?????
After watching the Cavs get blown out with their starters against the Celtics bench in preseason I knew not to waste money on tickets to regular season games.
Cough cough Brandon Knight. Put 1 and 2 together a vet who is a free agent this coming summer looking for his next contract, and he is not getting playing time.
1:00 garland is 20 and sexton is 21 in january perkins always cappin
Ahhh for the mean time garland is 19 and collin is 20 so yeah
They are tanking.. coavh is doing a great job
Who didn’t see this coming?
How much you want to bet that it's Kevin Love? He for whatever reason became available like 2 days before this report. Nothing changed from before.
I heard it was because they didn’t like how he was criticizing their fundamentals
Probably some veteran who's not getting minutes unwilling to form to the system *cough* Brandon Knight? *cough*
Logan Adams don’t assume. it’s not good
How they claiming he got a college style if they ain't even play in college like that lol ??
Skills they all played in college wise guy except Cedi Osman
@@geraldbuncum3861 wise guy
23 1 wise guy
@@geraldbuncum3861 wise guy
Buom tut wise guy
If your not gonna put your name on it then your not a solution to the problem. Meaning you gotta go.
You can’t treat young men like boys when they make more in a month than you do in a year 🤷🏽♂️
GotAL2Say 19-20 making millions sounds like a grown man to me. Favorite this comment cuz he won’t be the coach still in 2 years
The team started off 5-6 in this system then they lose 11 straight. Tristan is having a career year in this system. The real issue is a two young point guards.
Its obviously love or Thompson lol
hire mark Jackson in to develop them
Look who is up to be traded now....Kevin Love. I doubt this is a coincidence.
It was definitely K. Love
Oh, cavs are rebuilding alright, and they are using bricks for offense and air for defence.
i wonder why these bad teams get a pass year after year but the knicks stink is such a major topic ?phoenix stunk for so many years they have a top 10 pick in almost every position now they look to be on the come up. cavs have 2 top 5 picks the only team i give credit to is the Celtics cause they find a way to win and get top picks almost every year
@KingLeo80 maybe. but i dont see us spending more money then any other team so i dont agree with that . but the big market point maybe i can see that
Grown men in the NBA
Quality of player means a lot. 😀😀😀
A trash player that struggled last season is struggling right now, NOT SURPRISED.
Some coward "unnamed source."
This is the reason why the NBA needs to shake up how the regular season plays out. We needs better stories than the tanking Cavs having issues with there coach lol
Call me crazy but it seems that where ever jb Bickerstaff goes the head coach is in danger
We just gonna ignore Kendrick Perkins’ finger🤮
It’s all the coaches fault them most players like Kevin love can barely put 15 a game
NBA PLAYERS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR COACHES, COMPARED TO THE NFL, MLB, EVEN SOCCER THERES STILL RESPECT FOR COACHES ..... THIS IS ALL ALLEN IVERSON FAULT
We don’t need LeBron they said 😂😂
what a jacked up beard
Jim Boylen a college coach
Love teaches fundamental basketball, basketball camp stuff
I can't go through a first take video without staring at KPs sideways finger for half of it.
blkey this isn’t first take
@@geraldbuncum3861 ur right, same thing
Funny how a team looks before and after LeBron leaves.. He was the entire cavs org now they are nothing. Coaching isn't the problem
John who ???
It’s tt, we finna trade him don’t worry
Sexton and garland cant guard.
kendrick, stop shaving your mustache so low
they all just want to have there life easy so they dont like when "college style coaching" is applied.
Trade me if you think im a child.
F*** em Just let them coach themselves
😂😂😂
They can't coach themselves, even if they think they can.
John who?
anything would be better than the stiff they got.
Their grown MAN NOT KIDS LOL
All these College Head Coaches coming to the NBA and trying to coach grown men the same way they coached in College. There is a difference between coaching a 18-22 year old kid who isn't getting paid to play and guys who are getting paid $Millions and your in a league that is ran by the players not the Coach. If a teams All-Star player wants a coach fired, that coach will be gone within 24 hours. You can't be coaching grown men like they are apart of a AAU Teen Team, there all going to look at you with an expression on their face like. This guy is something else and not give you the proper treatment as a Head Coach. College Coaches thinking they can come in the league their 1st year and start treating talking to players like Greg Popovich's talks to his players. Greg Popovich has been a Head Coach and previously an Assistant Coach for (31 years in the NBA as a Coach) with (San Antonio Spurs (assistant)
1988-1992, Golden State Warriors (Assistant Coach under Don Nelson) 1992-1994, then San Antonio Spurs 1996-present. Coach Popovich had to build up the credibility within the league, didn't start coaching his team the way he does now back in 1996 when he started coaching the Spurs. The only Head Coach to win a Championship in both College and the NBA history was Larry Brown. (1988 University of Kansas), (2004 Detroit Pistons). There is a reason why College Coaches don't work out in the NBA. They lack the ability to communicate with there players like they are an employee (Which they are, The NBA is a business not in College anymore), they are no longer students.
NBA players knowalot more about basketball than college basketball players and even college coaches , aside from money and luxury of nba college basketball is better, less games more basic teaching
Hire Fizdale
What style works for them? Everybody on that team trash and complaining about the coach.
Nah its not the coach the players and coach just really sucks, time re-do everything wait another 50yrs for a championship for Cleaveland.
Tragic bronson alert
I don't know who is worse the Knicks or the Cavs
LeeTravius Mckay Knicks and it’s not close
Im a knicks fan so im gonna say...
The knicks
Jason I’m not just talking about record tho I’m also talking about overall dysfunction
Jason atleast the Cavs didn’t sign 17 pfs and expected to be good this year 😂
@@peterjo5215 its pretty close
I know Perk is respected by nba players but Cotdamn he’s awful to listen to on this show. The mush-mouth delivery is makes it hard to take him serious.
90th comment
first
Shows you how great LeBron really is
Should have stayed at BitchAgain
Perkins is a total tool. Does that suit fit
How stumpy is Romona?
Yeah well then the Cavs players don't respond well to success and winning at literally every level. I know college isn't necessarily equal to the pros, but Beilein at Michigan made 2 National Championship appearances, for a 4-5 year stretch he helped develop lots of NBA talent from guys who weren't necessarily top recruits (Trey Burke, Nik Stauskas, Caris LeVert, Duncan Robinson, Derrick Walton Jr.). He developed players better than any other coach and I'd take Beilein over any other coach. Anyone can win with guys who are bigger, stronger, and faster (Calipari, Roy Williams, Coach K - no offense to Coach K he is awesome) but it takes a master to win with out it.
Beilein won a Big Ten title for Michigan a decade ago or so, and he started four 6'2"-6'4" guards and his tallest player who got minutes was a 6'7" combo 4/5. I mean, come on. The guy is a master. The Cavs would be ridiculous to turn on him, of course they aren't going to win now, that roster is trash. Give Beilein a chance, give him a few drafts and let him and his staff develop guys.
Should have stayed in college
*Unless your name is Brad Stevens, college coach's never workout in the NBA...... Can't treat grown men like little boys*