Understanding The Last of Us Part II | Girlfriend Reviews

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I don't even know what this means. I'm too young.

Made me laugh. TY ^^

THEHIGHLANDPARKDAD hard pass

This is a god teir comment

Exactly...now we won't know if she forgives him or not. Life aint fair 😑

NICE

Yes! Well say!

@Aidan Welsh life is unfair, deal with it. And in the game they portrait this quite well. It's just about the story you want to tell, they wanted this cruel emotional sad story. Just accept it.

and yet she didn’t kill her. what was the point

I can imagine. This game is a powerful allegory on the concept of undertaking trauma and grief. It was intensively illuminating. And though I haven’t played it in a while I still think about it.

I was going through a breakup as well when I first played it. It was about 3 months after the breakup but emotions were very much still there. This game prevented me from becoming more bitter and although forgiveness took a lot longer than I thought it would, Ellie’s final action is what pushed me. 2 years after this game and this breakup I’m still following the light.

Wow first song I learned and the reason I picked up the guitar was also the theme

That's so weird bro... I was going through similar shit, game came out at exactly the right time, Ellie is one of the most relatable fictional characters of all time

Just beat this game on the heels of a friend passing. I must say this has been the one of the most impactful stories in my life. Dealing with grief and loss, and what is is to truly be human and human.

I agree. This is why in the Premier intro of this game, Joel’s ghost said to Ellie, “What are you doing, Kiddo. Are you sure you going to go through with this?”

@@pfang100 IT ALLL MAKES SENSE NOW . THANK SO MUCH FOR POINTING THIS OUT. no really that’s a an astronomical point everyone missed.

are you seriously suggesting that joel wouldn't want ellie to kill abby? after living and surviving with joel for plenty of years, and witnessing all the people abby hurt around ellie, there's no way joel would have said, "don't do it kiddo. it's not worth it."

@@majinta0_0 I don’t think you understand, Joel is not some hero fighting for justice, Joel always wanted what was best for himself and now that Ellie is someone he cares about, his goals align with her best interest as well. Joel saved Ellie from getting her brain cut open to save the whole world, I don’t think he’d want her to risk her life for the sake of giving Abby what she deserves. Joel’s also wise enough to understand that revenge is only going to drive Ellie crazy, like it does in the game. That is the last thing Joel would want. The truth is, this is a very selfish revenge mission, it always has been. We tell ourselves we do it for Joel’s good name, which is definitely true to an extent, but we’re also doing it because we’re angry. This is not something Joel would want Ellie to go through with and as the player you start to see it from Joel’s perspective, past a certain point you want Ellie to just turn back and go home, try to just live her life. And if Joel were there, that’s exactly what he’d suggest they do, for Ellie’s sake

@@majinta0_0 Joel knew he wasnt a good person he never wanted Ellie to go on the revenge plot because whats next after that is another revenge plot, Joel knew he would die as a villain in someone elses story so he just accepted his fate, Ellie wasnt supposed to learn to take revenge but to learn that Joel wasnt a good person but just did what was selfish.

Cause it sounds like Ellie gave Abby her tongue.

@@adarshp.daniel3758 If you reread your reply replacing 'tongue' by 'fingers' you may reach the depth of my question

Omg downtown. lolol takes me back

Is that the worst joke i have ever heard or is that me

See... that just irresponsible. And definitely a PLOT HOLE!!!!!!

That song is the biggest recurring theme throughout the game. The game even beginsa and ends on a shot of the same guitar

@@Methos_ yes but they didn't cut it like this hearing it side by side hurts more 😅

@@Methos_ the moths on the guitar he gave her inspired her to get them tattooed on her arm :).

But many other games have done something but better look at war hammer 40k no one is the good guy in the story. It was a good game I guess but it does not work. I have made my own story and it is nothing to write home about. But if feels killing joe was done to fast. They should have done more with Abby before killing joe. My friends who are content creators and I sat through at least 3 play throughs of the game. The pacing is all off. More over I still down know Abby like we got to know joe. What I am saying is that they may have had good ideas but they executed very poorly.
Ps this is not about the game but naughty dog miss treated their programmers. There is A lawsuit coming against Sony about it. I don’t know how true this is but I feel like people know.
Thanks

@@calebcoleman2800 I think if you're upset about the death of a character you should learn their name first.
The point about crunch is a valid one though. I hope that improves at naughty dog.

Kratos and his son.

Shiv Vohra idk i feel tlou is more grounded in reality therefore a bit of a closer connection. Also i was the same age as ellie during both games which also helped

@@Red3yeX nah, they didnt have that much hard times together so you cant really connect with both of them, also you get to play as both in in both games (not much in 2 but still)

It was one of the most touching scenes I’ve ever seen on screen- movie, game, etc

I cried when Joel sang to Ellie

"After all we've been through, everything i've done, it can't be for nothing." - Ellie
*Ellie spares Abby at the end which makes it all for nothing.*

@@SunlightGwyn did you even watch the video? and most importantly play the game? killing abby would make it all for nothing...

@@spirosgiatietci And did you consider that those 100 or so people Ellie and Abby killed all died for nothing. You say it's all for nothing if Ellie kills Abby but what about those 100 people they killed? :'D

@@yiangaruga4928 those people didnt mean anything to ellie or us. They were simply an obstacle we need to overcome. The only thing they do is extenuate the fact that ellie gets tired of killing people which further proves my point

@@SunlightGwyn I mean, you did see that fight at the end right? It was a literally pointless fight fought by two people barely able to stand. Ellie had already lost before she started it, killing Abby would have changed absolutely nothing. Just took right up until the end for Ellie to realise it and at that point it was too late.

Honestly, I'd love to see what the public reaction would've looked like had it not been leaked.

I mean I played the game in its entirety multiple times and I still think it was kind of bad, but okay.

@@whythehellnot6502 and that’s perfectly fine. A lot of people are acting like the game kidnapped their child even though they never even finished it, which is what annoys me.

@@naturalbridge5330 True, I just feel like the way they split up the story was a bad idea. Too much jumping back and forth both cuts into immersion and stunts some of the mechanical progression of the game. I don't really know how I'd "fix" it besides maybe bringing the flashbacks back into the main p.o.v for each character and just having one hard split in perspective.

@@whythehellnot6502 Then he clearly wasn't talking about you lol nothing wrong with not liking the game my guy

For me it's about perspective and guilt, honestly never felt like it focused on revenge, that was more of a goal to justify the gameplay than anything else

It doesn’t need to be about one particular thing and it’s not. It’s about a lot of things, dealing with grief, the cycle of violence, trauma, friendship, love, empathy, forgiveness etc and it’s most definitely about revenge as well. Revenge is literally the only motive moving the plot forward at multiple points in the game. To say it’s not about revenge is just being dishonest.

I guess some people don't respect lev, 1 star, >:(

To be fair she said "known as".

@@Kendorable OP's comment is like snapping after a poet delivers a profound verse. OP's saying "Yeah, and it worked on me!"

TrumpKingsly it’s a joke.

In Italy, i read that person was walking and whistling and random person said:Seraphities

Ouch, the feels...

Scandicraft haha it’s true for Ellie though😂

Ellie I mean.

Now she’s the one leaving people

"Everyone I have cared for in TLOU was either killed or ruined by Naughty Dog."

I came down here to say the exact same thing. I almost cry while watching this video. I really, really like the way this was approached.

A lot of people see this channel as "that girl who says "pee pee poo poo", but... they have no idea.

Completely agree

Yeah this channel and videogamedunkey gave me a better understanding of the story and meaning

Yeah, with this game in particular, you have to be willing to meet it on its terms. You have to engage with the feelings it wants you to feel, sit with the uncomfortable ones for hours at a time, and trust it until it brings it all to an emotional catharsis unmatched in gaming. At least for me, it really worked.

dng2usb and what is wrong with wanting that

Jordan Thomsen because people act like shit no matter what. 🙃

Because this video may fuel the war between the haters and the supporters lol

@@jordanthomsen2556 Nothing is wrong with it at all, my friend. I want it more than anything, but I know the face of anonymous humanity on the internet... I know it all too well.
The request is a beautiful wish made by an innocent soul while standing in the middle of raging, rancid sewage.

@@dng2usb If only you were wrong friend... but this wish of peaceful debate is still needed

Largest pvp ever made.

I agree but factions 2 would be pretty dope too lol

KRplus comments can feel like a post apocalyptic nightmare at times. Naughty Dog went over and above with their immersion levels here.

@@nathanfisk4054 This IS Factions 2!

@@thenostalgiabusiness The realisticism is over the top. Kudos to ND.

Exactly how I felt. They're both broken human beings in a broken world. It's a sad story that overall left me with a sense of dread, which is fine. Not every story needs a happy ending. I quite enjoyed the world they built and the story they told.

I really hope they dont make another, at least not with the same characters. These games are too heavy to just keep on with this shit and characters themselves can only handle so much before it becomes genuinely unbelievable and a bit ridiculous. Ellie's story, at least as a main character, has to be done. Abby's story maybe has some room for more storytelling but I also feel her character arc was largely completed enough to where there's not much else to explore in terms of development. And Dina has a baby now, so she's not going anywhere.

@@maynardburger I actually think the opposite - I now want there to be a game where Abby and Lev take over as the main duo, in some regards similar to the first game (albeit they at least appear to like each other more than Joel and Ellie did). In my opinion, since I loved Part 2, if the game series is till good please keep making more.

Unfortunately I cannot see Naughty Dog creating a game like this ever again. I see them playing it safe for their next property. Maybe some remaster or remake, or some basic-story game. Because gamers have shown these extremely talented people that they cannot handle being told such a mature and complex story. They got so upset and refuse to take the time to look in between the lines at something that took risks. All they see is hate, so they do hate. The story is "about hate", the vocal minority hates it, so all there is is hate.
I seriously hope ND continues to make stories in video games like this, it's games like this that are undeniable proof that video games are art, but the backlash is so intense, is it even worth it?

@@Dorraj Yessssss! I feel the same way, ND took a chance making this game how they did, I loved every minute of it, cried, as shocked, smiling in some parts, jaw on the ground, screaming running from stalkers or the rat king, it was an experience, one that I will never forget, and I'm playing on grounded for my 2nd play through as we speak, I can only hope that they make a part 3, because this story deserves a proper conclusion, they can't let critic's put their dream of a proper trilogy away, I know they wanted to finish it off, but will we see that thanks to the world wide hate of the story, to this day, idk. 😞

Guess the game was well written after all. The game got on many peoples nerves the whole Company is being criticise by people who do not like that Joel died or how he died. SMH

There has to be a lot of forgiveness since there is so many stupid people in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if these people are the same one's that set businesses on fire in retaliation of racism!

@@hernandogarcia8920 Hate the writer, not an actor. In the end, she does that for a living, and is not responsible for the script or creative decisions about the game. She deserves no hate, because she just did her job, and did it well.

@@hernandogarcia8920 wow your so dark and edgy

Hernando Garcia what a horrible thing to say. She doesn’t deserve death threats. I hope you sort out what ever internal turmoil is causing you to be so hateful & angry.

Excellent comment and insight.
I don’t have ptsd, but I have gone through a lot of shit having a child with an ex who doesn’t have control of her emotions and does a lot of shit to hurt people around her.
Therapy have taught me something valuable, to see someone else’s perspective, not to forgive them, but to help yourself move on and focus on the important things like yourself and people you love instead of getting trapped in a mindset dictated with hate and lust for revenge.
So for me it was pretty obvious early on how much layers the game had. That what some people called bad writing was actually insanely good writing, because it mimics desperation, it mimics people flaws and emotions like no other game. It shows that people who we perceive as evil will still act from some sense of logic in their mind.
Your perspective just gives even more perspective of why the characters acted like they did.
There is no requirement to like the game, and there will be different reasons. But I definitely understand why so many had a hard time liking it, because millions of people have a hard time seeing the world from any other perspective than their own. And if they are hurt, that must mean someone else was wrong regardless of the situation.

Wrong. The Last of Us universe lacks morals. You're trying to comprehend your own experiences in real world to a post apocalyptic, it's survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world where the weak are killed and thr strong live. All of this is completely out of character of the universe and characters. Abby has no remorse for anything she does, but Ellie is a complete Train Wreck who went on a killing spree, but draws the line at Abby or her PSTD will erupt? Lol

This makes perfect sense

@@mistere3501 all the ppl Ellie killed are side characters, Not a main character 🤷🏽‍♂️ sorry but Abby is not a heartless person and if you played the game you would see that. People still have morals, it just adapted to the new way of living

@stealthyxghost i am sorry for what you are going through every day i hope there is a end to it. Thanks for giving this beautiful breakdown.

Recommend TheAlmightyloli video on it

Sadly, I wonder if the game developers wanted it that way.

@@mdredheadguy1979 of course not, lol

@@mdredheadguy1979 they knew there would be a little conflict, but not the crazy Fight Club that is the comment section

@@user-dg7iz5cy4k Honestly, I don't think the developers really thought through the possible out come of what they were doing. They were too focused on pushing a political agenda through this game.

@@mdredheadguy1979 and here we go again

I seldom cry comsuming any media whatsoever but i‘ll be damned if i wasnt bawling my eyes out during that part. Anyone who denies that the storytelling of this game on an emotional level is everything but outright miraculous just does not want to see it!

It does say a lot how most people's favourite scene is one that belongs in the first game.

the only good part

@@stefanlindner2048 Making the audience cry is easy. Even the most low budget indie films with new writers can do that.

I agree! I teared up when I was that scene in the game! Especially with all the rocket launches with SpaceX recently, what man can do when we work together is so beautiful. I love space 🚀

When he talked to her about her guitar in flashback one and how she needs time for her callouses to develop, I had an immediate flashback to Callous the horse from part 1. Idk if it was intentional but it had me leaning that direction before the dinosaurs and spaceships knocked me over the edge

I'm not alone!

I get a lump in my throat too

@KSTopNotch Stop it... :'(

Or baby girl

Same here! An amazing essay.

AGGGGGRRRREEEEEEEED No one else did it like you !!!

How do you like a comment 1.3k times?
Edit: found it

Well said bro.

too true

There is a better one actually..

Damn, preach man. I sweart I can't believe people wanted to off Abby at the end. Like dude? Have you been paying attention? It's okay that ellie let her live, now she knows that the cycle of violence is over, and maybe she can forgive Joel and herself. The ending is so bitter, it's difficult to even go through, but it's an amazing game and ending. Cried four times while playing it hahahaha

Alejo Tomas Ortega Exactly! After playing the game you realize that Abby isn’t evil. Ellie has 0 moral high ground over her. She beat to death a woman just like Abby beat Joel to death. I think people are stuck on the fact that she killed a character they loved and not look at her actions more objectively. Most people who hate on this game do not understand the message of it. Many people thought Abby was the villain that the developers wanted you to like but that’s not it. And some people thought the game was trying to make us view Ellie as the villain, but they knew we can’t hate Ellie because we know her and know she’s good at heart. Same with Abby, she’s a good person at heart. There is so much I can explain to defend this game.

Sure, thats why she almost killed ellies pregnant girlfriend at the end. You people need to stop defending this shit games writing.

@@Ape8658 You are forgetting the time Ellie killed Mel who was also pregnant. You need to stop you're blind hating.

@This Channel is abandoned I think that could have been good too, but imo, that limits what you can think about the ending. As it is right now, it's very open, and I like that

Naught doggy dogg

the prestige

@@michaelmirabella420 Is funny how The Prestige and this game have so many things in common, Revenge, obsession and a non linear narrative.

Doesn't feature cloning so we all know which medium is the best

@@neoperol and failed bullet catching

Its spelled “Cuckmann”.

same

Ellie was obviously suffering trauma and Dina seemed to care more about herself. Horrible character.
3/10 this game really makes you FEEL like you're a writing teacher watching their most promising student make all the wrong decisions in a sequel.

Well said, not often do you see people make a realistic world filled with realistic characters that actually make choices you’d see in our world, even if that means it’ll leave you feeling unsatisfying, bravo Naughty Dog

@@PatrickOMulligan I wouldnt say Dina cares more for herself. I mean, Ellie had to travel miles in a zombie apocalypse through dangerous cults and hordes to kill a single person, that too alone. If I was Dina, I wouldve tried to stop her too. In fact, I see Tommy as the bad character here. He was the one trying to protect Ellie at the beginning, and in the end, he just ends up provoking her to leave her life in a goose chase alone which might even cause her death. I probably would not say Tommy is 'bad' coz he was personally affected by Abby, I understand what made him do that, but Dina is definitely not a horrible character.

@@tishyo77 Tommy is pretty terrible throughout the game. Out of character and one of the many reasons to hate the writing.
Dina's horribleness goes much farther then this.

@@PatrickOMulligan Well, believe whatever you want to believe lol

he will be remembered ..

“And the cow poke die, on the lone prairie”

It’s like falling dominoes except the last one doesn’t fall

"I have a plan" - Dutch

Imagine playing micah and the game made you kill arthur, then at the end marston did not avenge arthur.. Dang that might get rdr2 goty of 2018..

😏touché

Top tier comment 11/10 Im honestly mad I didnt think of it

Well said my friend, well said.

Well said

i think i started liking her when she took care of lev like how joel did with ellie and told lev "you are my people" i was like oke i love her

This is ur top 3? U gotta play some better games

let people like games

I've been under the same opinion and understanding as the reviewer since I first played this game, but even while watching this review, I couldn't look at the screen when it shows the footage of Joel dying. I didn't even like Joel! Lol. It's just such a profound moment and a catalyst for so much emotional difficulty that I physically didn't want to experience it again.
This is truly one of the highest heights games have ever reached.

It is the same thing I am saying about Sarah's actress in the new HBO serie. I knew she was going to die in the first half hour, but still i needed a towel to wipe my tears, and if that's not good acting/narrative I don't know what it is

I think its a testament to how well written the first game is, considering he was barely in the second.

Well written and TLoU 2 go together like water and oil.

Because what happened later was..... Legendary

Vinland Saga had an amazing and possibly one of the best "coming to acceptance with reality" arc aka farmland saga. All TLOU2 had was Ellie crying by the sea, losing 2 fingers and her girlfriend+adopted child

A true masterpiece

@@asheqabeer1798 So you're only able to observe what is happening on the screen at face value, but not able to interperet any meaning from 30 hours of story that lead up to that moment and what it meant? Wow.

@@fiskeleif wha? Im talking about the similarity of the revenge plot

:Turns head slow::eyes closed::fist on mouth:

Because the writing and Joel's character doesn't line up from what happened from the first game.
Joel not explaining why he saved her and what the fireflies did to him and made him try to save ellie, when Ellie never had the choice to begin with. Yet Ellie cries because she couldn't die, when she never made the choice in the first place.

@@ChairyCrasher Exactly this. Many feel that Joel was, for a lack of a better term, "written out" of the story in order to fit in an entirely new narrative. This was supposed to be the conclusion to Ellie and Joel's story (in my and many others opinion), and we simply weren't interested in the story the developers chose to tell.

@@nicke7350 those are just your expectations for the game, the fact that it didn't do what you wanted doesn't make it a bad game

@@thedude1947 "Bad" or "good" is entirely subjective.
Do I think that it is a bad game from a technical standpoint; absolutely not. It is the best preforming and best looking game on the base ps4 to date.
Do I think it is a bad game narratively speaking; yes. The story relies heavily on the fact that you've either played the last game or at least know about the characters and their relationships. By pushing the focus away from those relationships and instead introduce completely new and unknown characters and relationships you are taking away from the narrative build-up from the last game.
By shifting the focus away almost completely from Joel and Ellies relationship they severely lessen the impact of the events and decisions in tlou2.
I'm not even going to get in to the fact that Naughty Dog intentionally tried to keep the info about Abby being a playable character out of any promitional material until the game's release.

@@nicke7350 of course it's subjective, I'm saying that just because something narratively didn't fit my expectations of a story that doesn't sway my opinion into saying it's a bad story. I think judging stories that way is inadequate.
Also you're talking like tlou2 is a completely different story from the original game, abby is a direct consequence of Joel's actions at the end of the last game , joel and ellie's relationship was explored through the flashbacks and narrative clues ,yes the flashbacks could've been integrated better into the story but I think they're fine. I think the game being exclusively about their relationship would've looked like a rehash of the last game with slightly different story beats , the game is way more interesting the way it came out.
I completely agree with the fact that naughty dogs advertising and the way they portrayed the game in public was dog shit.

notice how til the end she is never able to successfully play the song properly? during the game, she finds guitars and tries to play it and is emotionally unable to sing the lyrics. then, in the end, she finally has the right mindset and is probably ready to sing it, but now she can't physically play it.

@@isadora6092 Just one more thing Abby took from her...

@@Palpad100 or one more thing here quest for revenge took from here the two perspectives come through in how we each see the story, pretty amazing.

@@isadora6092 great analysis, totally captures the meaning of the story

Zee Duubs She can still play guitar even if shes missing fingers lol

Indeed. This review summed up what I was thinking but couldn't say

:)

I second this!

Third!

Fourth! Excellent analysis of the complex narrative. Thank you!

Wednesday is the perfect day for nuggets. Keep at it!

@@middieptb yes

I don’t hate the game because they killed off Joel, I just hate the fact that they tried to make me sympathize with Abby in the worst way possible. It’s written worse than the first game and I felt like I was playing a worse game but paid more money. But if you don’t like the game simply because Joel died, then you have no right to criticize the game. I can understand why people liked the game, it’s just not for me.

I don’t see how you can like that game, I was so annoyed playing it around the end I didn’t know why I was still going.

@@ogvamp2 Have some chocolate chocolate chip 🍦

I get why you titled this video "Understanding tlou2". I watched every episode of PewDiePie's Let's Play through this game and have ever since been trying to figure out how I feel about this game.
The way I see it, you can analyse the game on 3 different levels: the product, the story and the art.
1. The Game as a Product (or: the Player as the Consumer):
Every player spent 60$ on a copy of this game. They went into it hoping for a similary satisfying emotional rollecoaster as TLOU. They wanted to see more of the characters they learned to love, of tactical combat against zombies and of gorgeous graphics, scenery and music. However, 2-3 hours into the game, it utterly denies the Player this experience by brutally killing off a cherished "console mascot". As a player you feel ripped off. You think: "This is not what I paid for! I wanted to feel good! "
2. The Game as a Story:
I tried to imagine reading a large book with about a 1000 pages, where the story goes something like this: For the first 500 pages, you get introduced and emotionally attached to a protagonist. He's a sophisticated, conflicted character with some ideals and some bad sides about him. A bit like an archetypal man. As a reader I can totally get on board with that. Then, halfway through the story, this character get murdered, and very brutally so, with every bit of gore described in detail over the pages, by a character that was barely introduced, like 15 pages before. The next half of the book is about this murderer and their past. I'd throw that book in the trash. I cannot muster the motivation to go on reading. This is a bad story. A good story usually hooks you, gives you a sense of purpose to the characters actions and brings closure. It shouldn't make us force ourselves to continue reading.
3. The Game as Art:
This is where your video comes in. This game forces the player to consider in great detail the two sides of multiple intricate revenge plots. It forces you to question why you feel sympathy for one, but not for the other character. Here, the game transcends the cliché of the industry and assumes the roll of art. You hit the nail on the head when you said: "[... ] the developers presented their audience with a challange they couldn't overcome with their controller." As a player, you get the task of answering the questions "Who is right? What should we do? Who are we? Why? " I personally like this level of analysis the most, because it's the most sophisticated and gives the game a sense of purpose.
However, the question one has to ask now, is: What should a game be?
- I copied this from TapIntoEssen, because I thought this was the best comment I had read, going trough them all. I'm posting it here again, so that more people see it. I think the conversation about what we want from videogames is more interesting than how good or bad the game is.

Fredrik Pedersen
Games can and should be art, and to judge it sorely on the basis of “enjoyability” is wildly dismissive.

Fredrik Pedersen A+ comment. However I don’t think i agree with your second point.
I think it’s a pretty remarkable yet naturally unsatisfying story.
Do you think the unsatisfaction it presents is bad storytelling or were you referring to what people in general expect a “good” story to be?

The fart sound from "gamers" got me rollin 😂🤣🤣

@@federico520 that isn't hes point its another persons comment.

Yup. Been days and still feel empty and sad. I really enjoyed the game unlike others.

Completely, stayed with me for days 😂

Game was a masterpiece

I needed a hug, strawberry cheesecake, and bourbon. I hate bourbon.

An unforgettable work of art :)

ngl i felt it

Is it a sentence you thought you'd hear though?

Even if it made no sense

"It makes you feel like a person who just watched GoT Season 8 sprinkled with Last Jedi and a side of Rise of Skywalker."

@@stealthy9599 so how to make this made sense?

Seconded. Truth be told, that was my main gripe with the game (I loved it, but it wasn't perfect IMO). I didn't really like Abby's arc at the beginning - not because I disliked Abby, I wanted to understand her - I just didn't really like her story at first, or buddies that I was going along with... except Alice. When Lev and Yara came in... man, THAT'S what I was waiting for. That's when I was invested in her story. I loved their characters, learning about the Seraphites and their lifestyles, and truth be told, their scenes were probably my favorite ones in the whole game.

@@TassadarBJ dude the Abby story had so many great stuff! My favorite was the hospital, I almost pooped my pants

Alright. So by your logic, someone now has permission to kill Abby, slowly, painfully, and brutally in front of Lev, just because the writers decide to retcon some familial relation to someone Abby kills. Maybe fat hammer woman's boyfriend lol.
I'd pay to see it, not gonna lie.

@@FrankMcFuzz1 dont you get it? the person who was going to do that WAS Ellie and she chose not to, she ended a cycle soaked with blood even though all it did was cost her

@@MrAlienated option 2: kill all witnesses, and burn the evidence. End of cycle.

Had they changed the order of things and less new characters, it could have been the best of the two, sadly it didn’t even meet expectations. The ratings by fans speak for that. But, Druckman basically wanted it to be a depressing and sad story. He got what he wanted. I’ll be interested to see if people buy anything from Druckman again. There’s a lot of anger there.

Bugsnax is clearly gonna be game of the year so they sorta have to

🎵BUGSNAX🎶

Bugsnax is the true GOTY

You talkin' 'bout Bugsnax?!

bugsnax is clearly the girlfriendreview version of knack at this point

Sending love from here

I wish you the best in life, I hope your doing well

@@edenstern7875 thank you, same to you and everyone in this chat. Stay safe guys.

Neil Cuckmann -
“OK GUYS WE HAVE 7 YEARS TO MAKE A SEQUEL HOW ABOUT WE MAKE A SHE HULK CHARACTER TO THEN KILL OFF THE MAIN CHARACTER AND FORCE THEM TO PLAY AS HER FOR HALF THE GAME AND GIVE HER A PURPOSE IN HER ENDING WHILE ELLIE GETS TO BE ALL ALONE AND MISERABLE” YEEEAH BANGER STORY NEIL 💀💀👏🏻👏🏻😂😂

Facts

they were bullied and harassed, but neither of which is "assault". they were never "assaulted"

@@Kevinschart you're thinking of battery. By definition they were assaulted

Had us in the first half

Lmao

Maybe if this was lord of the rings?

why are u so funy

@@LetsGetHighOnMorris look mr frodo . Its an oliphant

He's a little fat... And he is a plumber :v

You try seeing Sammo Hung in action and tell me that he's not fat

But he *is* a fat plumber. Look at him.

Fat people can be athletic wow, shocker

He is agile. And also fat.

I felt a similar reluctance heading back to the aquarium as Abby. I knew what she was going to find and how she would react and I just didn't want to make that character go through it. She got her primary revenge with Joel, lived with the emptiness that followed, and then - because she got nothing from killing Joel - learned forgiveness with Lev... and she was about to be rewarded for that growth by learning Ellie killed her friends. I put the controller down before getting into the aquarium for a good 10 minutes, just unable to make that scene happen.

@@keeng On the topic of the aquarium, I went the WHOLE GAME without killing a single dog and then I have to kill one anyway! I was so sad :[ But yeah that game hit so many heartstrings, I have no idea how they set out to do something and accomplished it over and over again throughout the whole game.

@@TheeImagined lmao same here with the dog.

Their take on the plot was great. I wonder if there will be a full review of it. They didn't talk about the gameplay, which I loved

Was this actually in the game? I didn't see it

In the reveal trailer back in 2016. And in the game it’s the song Ellie is listening in her room in the beginning.

@@federico520 finally!!! People keep referencing "Through the Valley" being in the game and I just couldnt find it. But nobody could tell me where it was either.

Yeah and Joel was alive in that trailer, and a ton of the other trailers. Because false advertising is cool.

We did not know that. That is really freaking cool!! Thanks for this info!

That's some happy little accidents 👌

That’s cool, it’s the dude form almost famous.

avg_person best movie ever.

This is that moment when I'd be ok with losing memory for last 2 month to play it again blindly. Same goes for the first game and it says something about how good the second one is.

@@furtalance_x Very funny, m8! Just go on with your life and be nice to people who have different opinion than you. It's just not worth neither your nor our time.

@@furtalance_x and you wasting your time.

@@furtalance_x lol you're so triggered

@@furtalance_x Damn, imagine being this petty

It was more on guilt. Guilt that when she was about to forgive joel abby robbed her the chance to do so.

@@KuehneZoneify wow i didnt see it this way, you are right its not just about killing joel, its about a chance she think abby stole from her.

@@KuehneZoneify Ellie spent years hating Joel for no reason
Abby spent seconds deciding to kill Joel for what, those scientists were immediately trying to kill the worlds hope for survival after only 24 hours of trying. Genius move.
Ellie is more of an idiot than ever and then she didnt care in all her turmoil that her finger was bit off. Im sorry but if Im fighting to the death and my finger gets bitten off Im not just gonna go "oh well, leave, go save your dude"

@@10thletter40 It wasn't you fighting to the death. It was Ellie. It's not about having a fulfilling experience, it's about experiencing choices you didn't want to make through another person's point of view. The goal is trying to make you understand someone else's feelings even though you can't readily do it.

@@10thletter40 you're not Ellie so you can't put yourself in her shoes also, her hate wasn't for no reason and you know that

I dropped it … the game wasnt doing anything for me after 6 hours. With so may great games out there why waste my time

@@omarnavarro9690 Do you really want a answer? Especially if we take in consideration you are writing a reply in a TLOU2 video...

Metacritic users: Get a load of this guy.

@@sandrobsnake p

I'm sorry for your loss, my friend

literally everyones father dies. its not a unique experience

sending you a bro hug

@@nullakjg767 well aren't you the happy helper....

WHAERE IS JAAA?!?! 😂😂

@@connorlonergan4967 I came back and this still made me laugh lmao!

Wow, just wow

Yes exactly... the storyline is masterfully crafted though not perfect

@@Ackshai the storyline sucked. Joel's death made no sense they did it horribly with very lazy writing. Everything we loved about Ellie was not n this game she was written terribly. I didnt care to much at all when Jesse got killed and Tommy tells Ellie to leave her family to go revenge Joel even though Joel would never want that.. and Ellie was living on a farm during a zombie apocalypse and not inside the walls of Jackson? A phuckin farm n the middle of no where n that much danger? That is laughable it's so bad

@@JGriffin5150 Joel's death made perfect sense. It was visceral, troubling, perfect for inspiring a bloody revenge plot (I wanted to kill all of them), and warranted considering what Abby went through. Though I think it would have been more powerful if you'd had a chance to see Joel and Ellie happy first - like putting the Museum scene first in the game while teaching players mechanics and whatnot. Maybe Ellie could have woken up in Jackson after that scene, like Jacksepticeye suggested. With everything that has happened to Ellie, with everyone hat she has lost, it makes sense that Ellie would turn into a vessel of revenge after such a traumatic event. Neil literally marketed the game as being a game about revenge. I liked Jesse fine, but I also wasn't too fazed when he was shot. Tommy.... man, Tommy had almost more taken from him than Ellie did. He lost his niece, his brother, his family, his f*cking eye and leg. He relied on Ellie for his revenge after he could no longer do it. It was all that he had too, and she wouldn't follow through. Everyone loses a lot by the end of the game.
Though I also feel like the farm was alittle too much, as well as the sheep. Where did they get those??

Dude you are making me cry :c

kpafuca Kpafuco i agree. maybe once the initial flames die down in a few months we can all chat about It.

@@murderousrooster1914 the gaming community wasnt ready for something so challenging as part 2. thats why its so rare to see great reviews like this on the game, great discussions less so.

I see the problem in how we mostly discuss games. Like products, with empirical pro's and con's. But games, as a form of art, a more than just "good" or "bad". They deserve to be discussed on what they are and what they do. Not If they are worth 60$ (or at least not only that).

Agreed, so sad to see all the ridiculous stuff like death threats to Laura Bailey. Makes me embarrassed to be a gamer when I see such behaviour. Sadly that's the internet all over. You cant have a discussion with opposing views these days..

the fact its a game is irrelevant though, go spouting that you loved the new star wars and watch the backlash. Its sadly just our society now days, cancel culture, bandwagoning, twitter rage. We live in a generation that cannot accept opinions that are different from our own, i worry for our future tbh. I love this game, i think its a masterpiece. But if you dont thats fine, i can understand why you might feel that way. Thats the point of opinions

No people think the game sucks because...the game sucks

@@user-yw2ud8ec4r smooooooooooooool brain alert, go cry somewhere else 🤡 LOOOOOOOOL

@@user-yw2ud8ec4r the game itself its 10/10, the story its 10/10 too, y'all dick riding Joel too much

well put!

also she had access to an olympic level gym, i cant believe the people who trash the game for that

People act like they’re mad because it’s not “realistic” but really that’s just not their idea of what makes a woman beautiful.

Whenever someone complains about Abby not being realistic, my first thought is always those posts that compare Zarya and Stefania Ferrario

i love tlou2 but a woman can not get that big without the use of steroids, which i doubt exist in the world of last of us

Love your neighboor as yourself

@@elflaco1392 you dont have to spend your routine with people in comments section😅..

@@elflaco1392 But I don't love myself though

Check the new video, the reviewers got so much hate and death threats.

That's like wearing a 400 lbs suit and trying to get past a laser grid.

But she did forgive Joel. She just never got to tell him properly. That's what amplifies her feelings. And why she doesn't get to end the song.

I felt like her sparing and forgiving Abby was in part her also forgiving Joel, hence why they flashback starts before almost killing Abby

pop corn I don’t know if she forgave him. But I think Ellie’s journey helps her understand Joel’s actions. She sees what she did in the name of love so she understands how Joel could do what he did. I think that’s one of the main themes of the game, perspective along with understanding.

And that's a lesson that should apply for us all. Talk now or regret not saying anything when we lose that person.

What I think was very beautiful (and maybe I’m wrong in this) is that throughout the game she couldn’t finish the song just like she couldn’t forgive Joel. Forgiving him would be letting him go and she wasn’t ready to, but by the end when she finally was ready she couldn’t play the song because she lost her fingers in her blind revenge.

I think you should keep the suit on. I have a slight amount of hope since this is a later review, and it’s quite measured. Much like what ACG posted a couple days ago. I still expect the ratio to get a little rough in the next day or so

Either way good for the algorithm

Wait till the haters come here lol

Well....Angry Joe's fanbase are full of mad virgins...so expect a war around here

@@victorg.2816 you say that while using "virgin" as an insult and reducing people who did not enjoy the game to it. I just dont understand the reasoning behind hating or insulting people based on how they felt about the game. From anyone. Why cast the first stone?

I think in Ellie’s case, her revenge is more driven by guilt. Joel’s death is the result of protecting Ellie from Firefly, she couldn’t save Joel from Abby and she never get the chance to reconcile with Joel. The game is about revenge and forgiveness not for Abby, but for Ellie herself.

@Rana At least she is free from her guilt. The bracelet she's wearing at the end suggest that she's going to see Dina and JJ. They could have a family if only Ellie stop being haunted by Joel's death. To me, the ending looks pretty positive.

I mean it worked for Abby pretty well, I think

Have you tried it?

Puncake_general After Abby killed Joel, she dreamed about walking in her father’s death. What she saw is a horrible image of Lev and Yara hanged and gutted. I wouldn’t call it “pretty well” when her father’s death still haunts her.

I saw it as when she’s drowning Abby she has that flashback and yes realizes she’s gotta let go of Joel to move on, but also she thinks what Joel did was the worst thing anyone could ever do to her so can kind of imagine how Abby feels and if she could try and forgive Joel for what he did, maybe she can forgive Abby. If anything, maybe by forgiving Abby she can forgive Joel.

@@GrandioseOtiose yup, what a bad man, saves his adopted daughter over a world. yup, very bad

@@unnamed3257 He's a sympathetic monster. That's kinda the point.

@@unnamed3257 I loved the game and but next time I play part 1 I'm going to shoot that doctor and save ellie.. and just like Joel I won't have any regrets about it.
This game doesn't condemn Joel. He's only the villain in abby's story.

Another thing i found interesting, is that the arc that Abby go through is similar to Joel's arc in the first game. They are both exceptional fighters and survivors with a tragic past, and they reconnect with their humanity thanks to the innocence of a child companion. Both Joel and Abby did what they wanted to survive, and honestly, even tho Abby killing Joel is heartbreaking it has no comparison to what Joel did at then end of the first game. So if Ellie not killing Abby was a way for her to forgive Joel, if she can't at least try to forgive Abby, what chances did Joel ha to be forgiven?
Idk i think i'm saying bullshit here but i think it's one of the reasons of the decision of killing Abby.

But its sometimes justified.

@@AnakinSkywakka sometimes, but this game is all about how it isn't how you deal with grief. You deal with grief by embracing those closest to you and letting them help you heal from those wounds. Abby didn't let Owen help her with her grief, she went ahead with her revenge and that cost her all of her friends. Ellie put all her friends and family on the line, and that costs her his friend Jesse and causes her to suffer from severe PTSD, then after she's forced to let go she doesn't allow Dina to help her either, she lets go of her and that costs her everything. Abby learned her lesson and didn't kill Dina even though she was justified in doing so, and thus was allowed to live a happy year and then a happy life with Lev.

@@AnakinSkywakka literally never

@LikeNobodii you need to play again... You've missed basically everything...

@@ongobongo8333 bruh Batman

Lol cause there's only one way eh?

i understand that the flashbacks are an unnesesary way to force empathy upon players who already killed half of the characters in the flashbacks themselves. Killing hundreds of people completely uninvolved with your ptsd murder rampage has no reprocussions in a game about the continuous cycle of violence. Pregnant women= strong, even though dina is put out of commision for multiple levels because of complications like 2 months in, mel doing parqour and gunfights 9 months in. Also first impressions matter, or not? And false marketing is probably a big nono for most people, just a couple of things i enjoyed off the top of my head.

Lol the story isn't that complex

The story isn’t complex stop acting like it’s a work of art when it’s just poorly written

@@MrSwitchblade327 you lost the game that naughty dog is playing with your soul

Actually i hated Ellie as much as i hated Abby.
Druckmann somehow managed to write Ellie in a way to make her unlikable.

Shes left with nothing even she doesnt kill her the best she has is time to get better i guess but her support network is for the most part dead or hate her for was she has done