The Office - Signs of a Declining Sitcom

popo007 that one was one we all need to hear long before adulthood.

i kept seeing this quote circulating moody tumblr boards and thought it was a really deep poem lol but are YOU KIDDING ME?? IT'S FROM *ANDY*????

I kind of did. I had about a two year run where everything was smooth in my marriage, I had just enough money life wasn't a constant struggle, and I had a job working with some people that I actually liked. Knowing it's the good old days just makes it even harder when you know it's also coming to an end before hand.

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!!

someone should write a song about that.

I laughed for 10 minutes straight when I first saw this part. It was the saddest thing I've ever heard

there ya go, 100 likes :B

Definitely one of the most "Michael" things ever said on the show. My god the guy was hilariously lonely

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@@toomielola3495 I definitely didn't laugh, it was straight up sorrowful

True

The whole sitcom is built around Dwight. If You don't know it yet - You have to rewatch the entire series and gather all the hints that point towards that, because if You're not watching with "those eyes", You've missed the plot entirely.

@@eugenijusdolgovas9278explain please

@@eugenijusdolgovas9278 explain more please. I see arguments for Jim or Michael, but Dwight just seems like he ends up at about 3rd on the call sheet (and 3rd in order of main "characterness")

It's not Michael. Not Jim. Not Pam. Most certainly it's not Todd Packer. Jim and Pam may seem front and center, but towards the back half of the show they took back seat a bit. Dwight shows the biggest change in character out of the whole cast. He accomplishes the most professionally with his farm and buying the office building. He makes his own family. His wedding is the finale of the series. We know more about his family structure than any other character. I've seen Mose countless times, but I've only seen Jim's brothers like twice. He becomes kinder (as in nicer, not the Pennsylvania-Dutch interpretation which would mean "dirty child"), he accepts his coworkers as his friends and ultimately reconciles with his biggest enemy. He is no longer a senpai anymore. No longer an assistant TO THE regional manager. He is manager. He is Dwight. The hero you never knew you needed, but the hero you most certainly deserved, idiots!@@xPOWERx-ne1jr

Meh. The reasons were there for Dwight not to be with her. Writters were being weird

True, I vouch for the "hardassery"

I Think Angela was very unlikeable for most of the show but they show its more human side in the Last season when She wants to give a proper Bath to Dwight aunt and when She cries in the car because She loves Dwight and Oscar conforts her, also You don t choose you end up falling in love and it was pretty obvious that they were always in love with each other, but they break up, because Dwight killed her cat, without even talking with Angela first, but yeah Angela was overall, pretty mean to everyone especially Phyllis and Pam, but Dwight wasn t Nice most of the time, but yeah maybe Dwight deserves better, but he loves Angela and he wouldn t be happy with any other person, so both Angela and Dwight got a happy ending and character devepolement

they were both conservative caricatures right? Dwight with his love of violence and authority and his backwards farm life (directly addressed with his fascistic speech at the sales convention), and Angela with her outwardly church-mom judgemental, holier-than-thou outlook mirrored with a secret degenerate side. It makes sense that they'd be drawn together into some kind of quirky trad couple.

Angela was a cheater. Dwight should have never married a woman that does something like that. She cheats with you she'll cheat on you.

I don't think so. He just misinterpreted them being rejected as a love connection which made it more awkward when he tried to kiss her.

wolvie45 yeah lmao I didn't think he got rejected by her either because I really don't remember that at all ... must've been just a small love connection, as you said, where Michael thought he and Pam had something but they didn't ... also wasn't he super drunk or something? I mean, I don't remember that scene, but from that clip he either looks really drunk or really tired 😂

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My favorite comment in a while 😂😂😂😂😂

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And he was never heard from again...

His name probably is the name of the guy he killed. Most likely he is truthful about the "the last person to trash "Creed Bratton" was Creed Bratton (dead guy)"

@@georgepapadakis2954 Yes, that is the joke.

Quantum Wantum but you make more money as a leader

@@georgepapadakis2954 wow u just found out the joke. Good job idiot!

Yesss I agree. Obviously the last season was not great like the others but it was entertaining enough for me to watch and still want to continue.

I agree kind of I would say it got worse but not bad

_is_ the simpsons that bad nowadays, though? it's nowhere near as good as it used to be, but the show rarely gets terrible aside from a few episodes across seasons. at worst it's just mediocre as a whole, but not necessarily garbage

@@DTheAustralian Hard disagree, everything past season nine for The Simpsons ranges from the banal to the painfully atrocious. Hell, Julie Kavner hasn't been able to do Marge's voice for the past several years. I don't blame her, she's 72 years old, but it's agonizing to listen to it.

@@DiabolicalApostle
Isn't that a bit of an overexaggeration? That's almost 30 years of content, and it's _all_ bad?

Except he just became downright mean instead of nerdy and overly dedicated.

he has more character in a single flake of his dandruff than the snow bank youve got there.

To me, this is an awesome take. He hasn't "lost Dwight" but rather he's grown and, in my opinion, realistically oversteered so as to not be codependent. He's his own man and needs no direction. Even further than that, I never viewed stuff like his doomsday program to be "mean." I only saw it as a way to push his coworkers who (whom? Toby, clarify this grammar please) weren't doing their best. Is it Dwight-like to do this based on his lessons from Michael, but manifested in his own way? Could he have planned to cancel the program from the beginning? Was he testing to see how passionate his coworkers were to keep their jobs? So many questions that will likely never be completely answered, but it was quite interesting to see how much he shifted throughout the show. From servant, to leader. He ultimately attained his goal, but isn't really perceived -as a person- much differently by his peers. That's some great character consistency. But maybe I'm missing something, happy to be challenged!

It's not about that; those things were all great. He was just incredibly rude and mean. I love Dwight, but there was an arc that this video touches upon really well about his crude meanness to Michael and Jim. He evens out after Michael leaves.

@@aryanram02average Indian weirdo comment. Social media got worst on average once u guys got access to internet.

Dammit I was gonna say that

Lmao oof

Thats what she said

Way to go. Loved it lol

she then broke up with me and led me on for several months leaving me hopelessly in love and thinking of suicide

Actually it was when we had Robert California and Nelly in the office. They were dragging those characters on and it was annoying.

Featuring a cameo from Warren Buffet!!! (Someone thought that would be funny, obviously). Most new characters weren't great, the best ones were Pete and Clark because they rebalanced things with some much needed somewhat normal personalities.

@@velazcoemily3253 I actually really liked Robert California, I think he really fit the show well.

Tyrous i think it would have been funnier if they hired jim carrey lol ngl

Michael leaving is when I left. If he leaves I leave

he ended up as an admissions officer for Cornell. That's his happy ending.

… and Toby🥲

Agreed, except Creed who literally got arrested. But other than that yeah, Andy was really done dirty as his previous development got torn down in the last few episodes. Even Toby still got to be a writer in the end (mentioned his newest story in a cut scene) but Andy is really ruined.

Hot take, I don't think Andy was ruined at all. He carried his foundational behavior throughout the series. Plain and simple, he was always an asshole with self-interest prioritized. He's a loose cannon. I interpreted his character and the choice to make him regional manager as a way of expressing that he's always been selfish despite quite a few redeeming situations and that his arc post-Michael only bolstered Michael. He's constantly portrayed as selfish, and expects everyone else to go along with him. He's like Michael, but without such empathy.

While I agree that Andy's character being ruined was probably the worst thing about the show, Andy did get a happy ending. He desperately tried to be famous and ended up failing horribly, but in the finale, all the Office fans recognized him and loved him. So he ended up getting what he wanted.

I don't think the show could have worked with the extremeness of Dwight being manger for two episodes it worked when he was acting manager for a bit but he would end up being watered down so much so that he wouldn't make the office filled with all of Dwight weird stuff like paintings of himself and weird deals and old technology and security doors and his character would be ruined along with the fact that the office wouldn't have the mundane and uninteresting 9-5 job feel that made it special

@@Joe-fy9uy That was painful to read. Use these in the future.. .,...,,,,...

@@Steve-tf1wvhow about in future go fuck yourself and that was easy to read except one bit and that was because I I forgot to put an S at the end of Dwight's

Dwight is too crazy to be the manager

But he owned the building

It wasn't the writers fault, though. Steve Carrell just went to do movies in Hollywood and had zero time to come back, except those few scenes in the series finale. Can't be helped.

@@CesarDaSalad that’s not the key reason, the network simply won’t let him back after not renewing his contract. Even in the finale he’s snuck into the set under NBC’s nose (note that his name did not appear in the end credits).

@@loongchh I mean after already having him on the show it would be weird for Michael to say that he's moving to Colorado and come back.The reason he appeared in the final is because they wanted it to be a sweet moment the guy Dwight looked up to for years went to his wedding.

@@loongchh Snuck in... and was filmed? In a rehearsed scene?

@@kadenhon7418 “he was snuck in under the nose of nbc”

They built him up for so long and then just tossed him in the trash. I have no idea why..

I never liked Andy. Just seemed too forced. Everyone else I could picture actually working there.

One of my biggest grudges with any tv show ever. I liked Andy, like a lot, he was great. They just ruined him.

It hurts me he was done in a poor way

It makes sense though, people dont always turn out great

Easy to do when you only have a grand total of 12 episodes; the US Office had 201. The UK show never had the popularity of the US one so it never needed to grow and change in ways more popular shows do.

@@bwhere45 never had the popularity? Yeh cos Ricky Gervais, Stephen merchant and Martin Freeman never did anything after the office did they you condescending moron, without the British office there'd be no American office and it was overseen by the two people who created the original but yeh sure after Britain held its hand and gave it the template then it proceeded to overdo the formula and flog to death the romance element which the British one didn't, well done on highlighting exactly why the American office is inferior, because it went for 200 fucking episodes and didn't quit while it was ahead.

@@bwhere45 That's what happens when your art is too closely tethered to commerce, like it is in the US. You put your writers under immense pressure to come up with ideas long after the show's momentum had run its natural course. Thankfully UK sitcoms are allowed to be shaped more by auteurs than stakeholders, so you get a more cohesive story arc.

@@TheMotiveDJ Quite well put. American comedy rarely gets it right, imo. Too contrived, too slapstick and ridiculous. There's a few exceptions like Curb Your Enthusiasm; but for the most part: The Office US was an in-your-face, obtrusive, loudmouth disaster. Like a woman shoving 200 pictures of their grandchildren down your throat for 3 hours whilst you try to be polite. LOOK AT THEM - LOOK AT THEM!!!

@@jjr1728 agreed. And it's a shame really. The US Office had an opportunity to model itself on its UK prototype and elevate the viewing habits of American audiences. But it didn't. It went down that same path of broad slapstick comedy. There's a sophistication to the writing of Gervais's Office that I wish American audiences had an appreciation for and understanding of.

She was like Friend's Phoebe: just a filler weirdo just for the sake of having a filler weirdo.

Yes! From mutual loathing to genuine best buds in a completely credible way- similar to the Oscar/Kevin bromance. The Office showed male friendship in a way that would never be allowed now.

Rafael Colella and realistic problems between jim and pam

They did a good job by making it go slow and take a long time

jim and dwight and pam and dwight are the best friendships on the show tbh

They are like brothers. They fight all the time but they will protect each other at all costs

BioDiver *NAILED IT*
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Andy was never a fitting main character. He was a great side character, if he had the position and screentime of Angela, a lot of things would've worked better

I think you missed a nail:
Whatever happened to Kevin's brain in the later seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was still funny, but he was dumbed down so drastically that I felt bad for finding him amusing and began to wonder when they would make a "so dumb he forgets how to breathe" joke.

I always felt that Andy's character didn't really change. He was always a dick and a bit crazy, as seen way back when we first met him. However, he also has a strong desire to be liked, and so he took the anger management classes and tried to make his personality more "acceptable". That is when he turned into a more dopey character for much of the other seasons. He wanted to be liked and to fit in. He has always been a person to change his personality to fit in (as shown when we met him, again). Once he was the top person in charge in the office, however, his true personality could come out once again, as he did not need to fit in as much anymore, as now people would like him for his position and being their boss. That is also why he begins to emulate Michael Scott, just like he did when he first met him and tried to rise to the top (so he would be liked).

Sabre was pointless and stupid

EXACTLY. To a lesser extent, I see the same thing with Creed. People are always talking about how they wished they saw more of Creed, but…. No you don’t? The point of Creed is that his is so insanely mysterious that the off the wall things he says don’t make sense. What do you want, an episode of Creed committing a crime and we just see how he does it? That’s not funny.

@@LunatheMoonDragon right like you just wanna hear about some crazy shit that creed did and be like haha creed is crazy. that's the entire conceit of his character. you know practically nothing about him and sometimes he comes out of the woodworks and says or does something completely insane and you get no explanation.

uuh speak for yourself, id find an episode where creed commits heinous crimes extremely funny

Yes toby you are a joke to me

But even Toby fits perfectly into what makes Michael the character he is... as the HR person he by necessity represents orderliness and professionalism in the office, the exact opposite of what Michael wants it to be (a fun casual place where everyone is everyone's friend). So when Michael says, "I hate so much about the things you choose to be," it's true - Toby is the anti-Michael simply by the nature of what his job is. But the fact that he's just an awkward mild-mannered guy doing his job as best he can, and shares none of the same animosity, is what makes their interactions truly great

@@blarneystone38 I mean... you're right... but what does that have to do with my comment?

The exception that proves the rule.

yes

Wow someone speaking facts and ain’t nobody commenting

Yesss he was used perfectly

creed is pretty underrated i would say

he was just perfect so that everyone loves him but he has no major plot lines that would interfere with our love of him. he’s like just enough without being too much or too little

He was sprinkled throughout the series just like his little mung seeds he was sprouting in his desk.

#metoo

One of the most awkward scenes ever, lol. It was so painful, I cringed so bad I had a headache, hahah.

Perfectly illustrating the difference between Steve and Will. We'll does not know how to humor or situation comedy. Maybe Steve's experience with The Daily Show prepared him better. Will Ferrell not being funny is what doomed him on the show.

They always say this about the greatest moments on tv and film. And we're just supposed to believe it..?

@@departmentofdate2263 You don't have to believe it. More often than not the 'greatest' moments in tv and film are scripted so far be it from us to cry fake when they say it was unscripted, which, has little to no effect on the scene itself if you didn't know it beforehand. If you did know it would just make it funnier and therefore a more enjoyable experience for you.

She was the most underrated actor on the show for me, she played her character really well and made you like her and hate her at various points across the series

I always thought that she was Hillary Clinton, but pretty. Then second time I watched the series, I realized that Michael told us in the first episode.

Jan would be the metaphor. Bonus; collapsing like a giant star is a simile.

I really liked Jan's character in the first 2 and a half seasons, because she was realistic. At first, she seemed like any no-nonsense corporate boss. Then, you saw how her divorce made her really unhappy, and she was able to find comfort in Michael, who despite being ya know, Michael, was actually very sweet, and even stayed up listening to her talk about her divorce for hours. Somehow, that sweet and realistic connection which they had in season 2 morphed into a toxic and abusive relationship as Jan became more depressed and used Michael only for sex.
Though that isn't a completely unbelievable turn, I think that when you compare Jan from season 2 to season 4, it just doesn't seem believable that someone so seemingly put-together became such an abusive and toxic character. I think that if they hadn't decided to take this turn, Michael and Jan could have actually been in a Claire-Phil type relationship from Modern Family, which seems more realistic.

@@madsin6516 fr legit at first i liked jan hated her at moments and i grew to like her as a character not exactly a person but yk what i mean

It’s super late, but I liked it and would happily read more.

Well, I read it, it wasn't that bad lol

it was actually a very good read. Perhaps a little long winded, yes, but very good points, and as a long winded person myself, must also say that perhaps you are making a lot of points without all the arguments which is what makes your friends not "understand" you. But I really liked your comment

M J Grasscutter I think he was just stating a fact. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything🙃

@@mochalatte8878 why would he talk about him being good then🙃

So, the mockumentary became a real documentary there?

but they showed it to us then it counts

MCE Mitty me p
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batshineman bingo

Also his height helps...

Oh yea cause height helps when u look like a dying fetus

Alex Extant lmao

batshineman his success with women was WRITTEN BY WRITERS. IDIOTS.

I actually found badass Dwight funnier than dweeb Dwight.

Would you say his independence apex occurred at Michael's roast? I think that might've been the spark for his turning point.

Yep I agree. Although I felt they handled his "gun incident" way too dramatically/harshly lol, it was funny and also made sense to address I just felt they went overboard with their criticism of him.

Creed was the bomb

I'm pretty sure the actor who played Creed is just that crazy and has a cooler backstory then Creed

rewatching the cafe disco episode yesterday and realized that Creed exits the bathroom eating a chicken leg 😂😂😂

Honestly I always balanced on the line between feeling bad for Creed and wishing he could retire.

The only time they crossed the line was when he came to work covered in blood but didn't know it was Halloween and wad like "that's good timing" that was fucking stupid.

Wtf nippa

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I laughed so hard to this hahahah wow thank you

*THE BEST*

Best character of the whole show

Same but it got so annoying as it went on for so loonnnnggg it got so tiring and it was cringe

He's my favorite character and they ruined him

how can they build up to Andy and Erin being together since basically Erin came into the office and in s9 some random guy comes and now Erin is with him...

Same, I can’t believe she chose a dude named plop over Andy

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Hahaha

Yeah

"When he came back in the final episode, I didn't give a flying fuck"- Everyone who's seen The Office

he was the most best character. horrible move to fire him.

IWantToHandstand That was one of my favorite episodes. A friend of mine told me that a main character was going to be fired, so I was really worried that it would be Dwight or Jim, but then I found out it was Devon and audibly said:
“Who’s Devon?”

That's what she said

I agree because something about The Office just made you want to binge watch it. And I believe Steve Carell was asked if he wanted to do a reboot but he said something in the lines that he didn’t think that a reboot would re capture the same essence (in a sense) like the office and the office good at that time.

I didn't laugh once while watching 5 seasons.🙃

@@TheIndianVCC damn thats so sad

@@TheIndianVCC your life must be so sad with no sense of humour

@@akilamau683 Or maybe you are just a crazy fuck who laughs at everything... The Office is very overrated,, B99's the best.

Yeah, and as he mentioned they couldn't just go back to what he was before. The issue was that it didn't quite work with comedy.

Yeah, but it makes for terrible TV. And it backfires when later on we're somehow supposed to be rooting for the guy who's been a jerk to everyone for the entire show.

No doubt. Angela wrecked Dwight.

It’s also because Dwight found out that Michael didn’t submit his name for manager, like he said he would. Dwight was done with him at that point.

Yeah but it ruined the character. It didn’t make him more like able or anything it made him annoying. He went from a guy who idolizes Michael for no reason and a naive idiot who didn’t understand people to a guy who thinks he’s above everyone and is a huge dick. Before it was funny when he thought he was great because he had obvious flaws but now he’s just arrogant and doesn’t have that some idiot quality.

yeah! and he stays extremely weird till the end that's really important too

Facts

I agree 💯!

Don’t think so

Elfin Stuff calm down mate don’t get all covid19 on me

@@LeeM1992 ..what the fuck type of comeback is that

I’d say it’s better on average than 99% of Sitcoms, but not at its worst. The Office’s worst moments are truly questionable

I got really annoyed when Pam and Jim's marriage was getting messed up

But then you didn’t get to see most of it cause he was at athlead most of the time which sucked

@@swagmajormonogram9004 Agreed. To me that plotline felt kinda forced or at least rushed towards the end. I didn't mind them becoming sorta friends but having Jim as his best man was a bit too much for me personally.

@@bluepearl_22 tbh I would of preferred the show to end on a high when Michael left instead of dragging it out for two more seasons

so they ruined their chemistry as enemies. I'm not surprised. I stopped watching after about my 10th cringe in season 7. It became so painful

dwight carried the show after michael left...like the florida stuff and then his season 9 growth is amazing...

Matt Ford honestly I love every season I do think it goes down but if the last two seasons were a standalone show it would still be better than most others I've seen

I like the last 2 seasons as the finale of jim and pam arc, the rest had become pretty average..

@Matt Ford agree to disagree

Matt Ford season 9 was great...

Season 8 was shit because of Robert California. Season 9 was good and the last 3 episode was great.

*Creed was a better boss than Andy*

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Keep it runnin

“Just another day at a dog food company”

Same !

I was expecting the worst after he had left but actually didn't miss him that much. I guess for me Michael was not main character. And then Andy an Erin, whom I always considered annoying and unnecessary background characters became likable to me and instead of missing Michael I started enjoying other people. At the end all characters evolved into what viewers and other office workers expected them to be, dumb Kevin, obnoxious Meredith and so on.

@@marcinsobczak2485 I agree and disagree. I do think that the office didn't really feel the same after Michael left, as it just didn't have that same simplistic yet slightly chaotic vibe that Michael brought to the show. However, I agree that Michael's leaving made me realise how funny and interesting the side characters were. I think that the episode "Pool Party" really made me realise that.

That were EXACTLY my feelings... A miniseries of spinoffs with small arcs of "What if..."
The series real finale was Michael in the airport and asking to cameramen "hey guys will you let me known if this ever airs?"

In theory, giving the other characters more time to shine is not inherently a bad thing, but the writing just wasn't there to execute it as well.

Too true though fr

"Someone should write a song about that."

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy life to type out one of the first spoken phrases of this video. Your service marks one of the best elements of the internet and being a human.
May God go with you, into the 13 heavens, and provide you with everlasting glory and joy. You fucking idiot.

@@Zancb Either you're on your period or you just found out you're adopted. Hmmm its probably both tbh for that reason ill let it slide u just remember to buy tampons and accept the fact your parents never loved you. Just ask yourself can you blame them?
Look i know its a hard thing to accept but the quicker you accept it the quicker you can start being a nicer better human being and make it to the "13 heavens" u unwanted worthless piece off trash. Have a good day miss😁

@@Zancb It's really not that serious man

"Hot like Jan, but in a different way."

lol. It's not a romantic crush, he just really, really, really wanted a 'best friend'. Ryan was the coolest person he knew (in Michael's mind).

@@kennylaysh2776 says who? a crush is a crush

@@timenotime Not how it works. Straight men with a "guy crush" is when they want to be that person, and have that person see them as a peer. I don't know how women work with women crushes, but the way Michael wanted Ryan to like him is a common platonic thing with men.

Kenny Laysh ah, the antichrist

Yeah and I hated him.

I loved Andy Bernardz a.k.a The Nard Dog!

@@sathisharajah I hated Andy and there was a point I started to like him in the show and I hated him again.

@@mryanikofficial so true!

Nah they knew what they were doing at first.

Same. Until there is a reunion, special or anything that explains what happens after the finale. I have a very good fanfiction (too good, it doesn't seem like fanfiction at all). Its called Insouciance by Kizuna_Tallis that explains Andy and Erin being back together after s9. They tried it again and this time without trust issues both have. Andy with self esteem issues caused by his parents and everyone close to him eventually gave up on him the real reason why he ditched Erin and barely kept contact with her while Erin has abandonment and always thought of herself unlovable which perfectly caused her rebound with Plop.

@Krisha Patel Same. I really strongly wish that NBC, the cast and Greg Daniels and the writers see it and uses it when they decided to have a reunion/revival/special.

@Krisha Patel What do you think of Todd Packer part of the story? Todd Packer is on point.

absolutely, watching him get built up into a genuine heartwarming guy and then have him torn down immediately was such lazy writing.

@@echodelta2172 agreed. And the way they did it just for the sake of cheap laughs is just disrespectful.

I felt sorry for Dwight often. He was always honest in his admiration for Michael. Dwight hated Jim because Michael liked Jim just for showing up....

Yeah, it really bothered me that this wasn’t talked about in the video at all. People change sometimes, and although not always fun to watch, it’s a necessary part of character development.

Do you think Michael respects Holly? Like the time he gets horny and declares that she's the "best thing that's ever happened to this office" at the end of her first day at work? Like the time he cries and whines when she breaks up with him? When he insults her new boyfriend? Asks Pam to read the unsent letter she wrote him? Cuts her sweater so he can creepily have a piece of it? Throws her Woody doll in the trash? Doesn't take "no" for an answer when he badgers her into breaking up with the other guy?
They answered the question, "What happens when your boyfriend doesn't reciprocate respect?" with this: you get married and ride off into the sunset together.

I think so too! It’s interesting and decently realistic to see someone as extreme as Dwight become more nuanced over the seasons. As his loyalties shift from Michael, he becomes more experienced and acts accordingly. The whole point is to develop Dwight’s character, and I think it was done realistically and gave him more depth as a character.

Yungtown Highlights Ya but how did he suddenly gain people skills.
He was borderline autistic. He had been his entire life. Then he actually knows how people think? (as opposed to just egotistically claiming to know how people think when in reality not at all).
The rest is pretty justifiable. But they could have handled that same growth while maintaining other aspects of Dwight.

Steve Carrell decided to leave. I'm sure NBC would have renewed his contract if they could've.

@@richardmarshall210wrong.

Agreed. It was cute at first, but it just kept going on and on, despite the fact that there was little holding them together. They didn't really have any common interests or reasons to be together, making their back and forth even more boring and unbelievable.

It was bad because of how they fucked it up in season 9. When Andy went to Florida to win her back, I felt it was very romantic and they were so cute when she would constantly stick up for him. It's a big sticking point for me why I dislike the last season so strongly.

it was a mess, but the worst part was pete and Erin getting together at the end. The writers dragged the viewers across this stupid love story for way too long and at the end the whole thing was pointless.

@@rohantumkur7915 Season 9 was a very mean spirited last season for most of the characters... so that finale with the "happy ending" felt very artificial.

@@rohantumkur7915 much like many love stories. i think it may have been trying to touch on how outward compatibility doesn't make up for your deeper hangups that will prevent a relationship from working.
Andy was always a trust fund kid who had his whole life paid for by mommy and daddy and he never broke from that. Once he became manager (after failing miserably as a salesman) and gained the tiniest bit of confidence in himself, he reverted to his old tendencies of being entitled and expecting no consequences for his inconsideration, often letting his personal feelings impact his work to the massive detriment of the company and his subordinates (losing the white pages, for example)
To me, it makes sense because he actually was only putting on a front the whole time to gain people's trust (including Erin) because he had no real power...

You can't eat cats, Kevin

I prefer to believe the "Kevin is secretly a genius" kind of theories cause it explains how he slowly became more and more stupid as a way of hiding him laudering money from dunder mifflin. It makes his character way more interesting in my opinion.

Literally ruined him immediately after Michaels last words to him (Kevin) "Don't be a caricature"

I always loved when his poker history was referenced. I always imagined him as a really good player but for obvious reasons it doesn't come into play in the office work day, until it does.

Kevin got noticeably dumber after Dwight made Holly believe he was mentally challenged. It's almost as if the writers suddenly thought "hey, actually that's a great idea, let's make this character funnier by giving him an unspecified mental disorder!"

you must not know about Gabe Lewis

@@LITMOVIESCENES feel it, it’s like a warm pumpkin.

@@garrettfobes1091 lol...dude is great...Has a ton of lines

i stayed for jim and dwight’s development. and probably waited to see if erin and andy would go anywhere

@@LITMOVIESCENES Gabe may be the worst character in anything ever

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Michael focuses on the big-picture stuff while Jim focuses on the day-to-day stuff.

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Nice work. The worst thing he did was to demand payment for the months he was on the boat and even got a bonus.

I wonder how much of that was writing and how much was Will Ferrell. He ad libbed in the song scene, maybe some of the other weird stuff was ad libbed too?

Will Ferrel does well when he sticks reasonably close to a script. On his own, though, he sometimes mistakes being obnoxious for being funny.

I was so relieved when they said that hes in a coma

The most unfunny comedian after Seth Rogan

@@olliee1919 soo true!

Ethan Hudson I really enjoyed his character growth. He matured and becoming independent

I agree

Ethan Hudson thank you

Totally agree

His growth and evolution was why he was finally ready to be manager in the end. His character arc was my favorite.

mini The cameraman subplot is still the most useless complication in the show

That describes every American sitcom which goes on to become a huge era / generation-defining hit. The grounded pathos of the early seasons, when the creators are hungry for success and the actors aren't on multi-million dollar deals or having their heads turned by film offers, gives way to later seasons which give off a lazy, too-pleased-with-itself feeling where the showrunners realise that the audience will continue tuning in regardless of whether the quality of the earlier seasons is matched or exceeded. This complacency is apparent in every facet of the later seasons, because the compelling conceit that transfixed audiences at the beginning and made the whole thing must-see TV, has simply played itself out. The show peaks and the organic story reaches its apex, and then the decline begins. Yet the show doesn't end because it's still pulling in audiences and making money, and so it continues on fumes, recycling earlier plots and characters, but it's a shadow of its former self, and anyone but the most unreasonably ardent fan can recognise it's just not as good as it use to be.
Does this describe the US Office? I haven't seen an episode, but I do remember watching shows like Friends, Cheers, etc., when I was a kid, and the phenomena I described seems to follow a definite pattern.

Charlie Picone i personally think that the little cameraman sub-plot, thought kind of useless added a little touch of introspectiveness, like this character that had apparently been with the show since the start and that we never heard of but was there. The scene were he tells them to give her a minute after that awful jim phone call was kind of sweet, i do believe it should’ve ended right there.

scrappboy I liked the idea but they just...... didn’t do anything with it after a few episodes

That's why I always say the main character of the office isn't Michael, or Jim, or Andy, or Dwight. It's the Office itself. As soon as each individual character began having sweeping season-long character arcs, the focus of The Office shifted away from the office, and it began to lose its charm.

Yeah, but unfortunately he stopped being funny after he had changed. It just didn't work for the comedy anymore and that is a problem for a sitcom. It would have been fine for a different dramatic type of show.

@@andrejlondyn yeah but then again, after awhile. the a character staying the same gets unfunny too. while some of Dwights old jokes and moments will always be unforgettable, there is no physical way any writer could consistently keep those moments coming, and keep making good ideas with a stagnant and not very flexible character like the classic Dwight

@@aster1760 The problem is that the writers did use the same comedy tropes and repeated the same jokes with Dwigh, but it just didn't work anymore, since they changed the character. That's exactly the point the author of this video was making.
The way out of this for a writer is to also change the jokes if you change a character. Or end the show while it's still funny.
Why do you think the authors of the original British show only did 2 seasons and one Christmas special? They just didn't wanna compromise their artistic integrity and rather finished the show then making it into some kind of soapy unfunny drama. Unfortunately in America they always try to milk these shows until a dead end.

@@andrejlondyn and I'm saying that both ways woudnt have worked. If they kept dwight the same the jokes should have got stale and people would have complained. If they changed the type of jokes with the evolved character people would have complained. Because hell that's what people are like with shows, their picky as fuck and dont want compromise, and it's a shame the length of the show was dragged out because of money, because that's exactly what kills shows

@@aster1760 Ok. Fair enough. I can definitely agree with you on that one.I would say 2-3 seasons is enough for any sitcom and if the authors want to make a show with different characters they should just write a new show.
And yes people will be never happy no matter the writers do and I'm probably one of them;)

I will never forgive the writers for not showing us Michael's wedding or children. Ever.

@@bluepearl_22 I KNOW!! I just said in a previous comment that the show should have ended with a double wedding with Dwight and Angela and Michael and Holly. Maybe have one last episode after that to show life after the documentary, with Michael and Holly's kids and stuff.

Yes. Why the plot is everyone don’t know about it and he just disappear forever?!!??!!!??!!??!!?!!!? Why don’t give him a party or big speech? I am so angry about it.

Agree I would've had Michael email them ( probably Pam) from time to time he loved those guys too much to never speak to them again

@@athenajaxon2397 ik steve carell like left the show but it would’ve been so happy and funny if he like sent them videos of him like showing his house and holly and his kids. that’s like on character for him to always be thinking of the office and sending them updates on his amazing new life. i rly would’ve liked that and i’m sad they never showed his new life

Yeah. Its why I hated Season 9. They don't really know what to do with both Andy and Erin and ruined their relationship due to forcing both to be the new Michael Scott (worked in S8 but didn't in S9 due to them removing Andy's Personality and replaced all with Michael) and New Pam (didn't for Erin since she is dumb, immature like Andy or Michael) just to force us Plop (heavily debated by writers since its very risky and it was. Also proves that they don't really know what to do with Erin just like with Andy).
S7-8 was Erin trying to win Andy back after dumping him, while in S9 was just her dumping him again due to Andy's mental health decline and instead of supporting and helping just gave up on him. Also a failed attempt to prove Erin being mature since it just showed her being more immature and selfish than before who lacks understanding (probably due to her in orphanage competing and misinterpret Andy's abandoning her even though he is protecting her and doesn't want her to see him at that condition.
Well S9 is very compact due to pointless change and Plop having no purpose and too normal in The Office who should have left long time ago just like those employees from Stamford for the weirdness of The Office. Clark Jr. had more purpose and made more sense but they had to add Plop which also made Nellie pointless instead of her taking Kelly's job and Clark taking Ryan.

i felt the same way. they butchered his character and made him a selfish villian. i personally think they did it because as a boss he was outshining Michael. Andy as a boss was selfless, defending his co workers, being positive and caring. unlike Michael Scott who was extremely selfish but in a funny way, especially at work parties, and Michael Scott cannot be forgotten, so season 9 Andy was written.

And Jim and Pam fighting I thought that was completely pointless

Greg Daniels actually did rewrote him just for the sake of jokes and to force Plop down our throat, and lazy way for Dwight to become the manager. Even Rainn Wilson thinks the final season had a lot of mistakes.

brebytheway I totally agree

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Without the good-heartedness.

They didn’t do that but okay sure

@@douglasmcintosh464 They did, such as his misunderstanding of words and hatred of a co-worker.

@@douglasmcintosh464 Exactly. They didn't. Andy's character is obvious: he's got a major dad-acceptance issue and while he hails from a rich pedigree, but he's not really Cornell material. His heyday is clearly behind him, and the conflict between being what he wants and what his father expects of him keeps him in a weird, mediocre flux. Being in actual management can bring out these insecurities. It's normal. And how he treats Nelly makes perfect sense. If you were dealing with all of these issues, lacked confidence, and then got not only screwed over but treated like a walking crisis, you might respond in kind. If you don't understand the human ego, then you don't why Andy acted the way that he did. His changes through to the end are just his journey in coming to grips with himself. Jealousy is normal. Revenge is normal. And we're talking about trying to get hyper-realistic about a show in which a manager kisses a gay subordinate and runs over another and somehow doesn't get fired.
The last two seasons of the Office were necessary, even if it was the studio's fault for not bringing Michael back when Steve clearly wanted to. Comedy isn't all about laughs. You need drama, you need instability, and the other things we saw in those last seasons. Would I have preferred it be *with* Michael Scott? Sure. But the shakeup made sense, and it's baffling to watch people dissect things the way this video does.

@@joshuabell1790 It's a fictional TV show buddy

At the beginning of the show I felt like Jim was too good for Pam. At the end I felt (and still kinda do think) that Pam is too good for Jim.

yeah and kelly changed a lot through out the whole show she was shy and quiet and in the end she was sassy and extroverted

Yeah I really liked her character development the most 🥺

Chanel, Kelly doesn't count as character development lol. They just didn't know what to do with her the first season

@@MrAgentTurner yeah she kinda just went from them not having any clue what her character would be in the beginning to kelly just essentially reflecting mindy kaling as a person. in the office ladies podcast they talk abt this a lot it’s rly funny

LOL, had the same Thought, Would love to someone record over some long period of time, and tell me what is wrong with me, cuz i am fucking clueless

it doesnt work when you attack something with a bias. This guy spent 34 minutes of recorded time analysing a tv show and its realism. Forgeting its only here to entertain.

AHAHA 😂

@@ZulousOG Right! The Office was still had great entertainment value even towards the end.
To overanalyze it doesn't take the fun of it may for me at all.

Where did I go wrong? What were the signs of my decline?

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I'd say it went from brilliant to still quite good between 7 and 8. For me however, 9 was very hard to watch.

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Yeah I thought that made Dwight unlikable. Definitely my least favourite part of the Michael seasons

@meowyeah like when dwight cried when he wasn't invited to michael and Jan's dinner party i liked how they gave him a character right there but when michael loses the sabre leads and dwight doesn't go with michael and talks back to michael which makes me hate him more than i ever did

@meow "No personality" lol

@@asuspiciousturtlewithinternet he realised that he was friends with Michael for years but michael never really liked him nor helped him in any way so he stopped being nice to michael like dwight said sometimes the acorn becomes the oak and that's what happened dwight grew up.

exactly !!

Yeah I agree, after Michael left they should’ve let Dwight be manager for the last couple of seasons

I tend to agree. His was about the only character arc that I liked. He and Michael.
They turned Pam into a bad wife and b*tch for a while at the end
They turned Andy into a total psychotic mess
Kevin went from unassuming to not even human

@@MrTCHOSS Kevin and Andy's changing were disgusting. Pam's nasty side was just more shown at the end but she had always that slightly fake personality in a subtile way but it was more covered with her kindness and shyness. And yes I'm so glad that Dwight changed.

@@PatoNani18 True, Pam sorta did have that conniving, manipulative character train the entire time... she just didn't feel empowered to let it all out until she started wearing pant suits

i know i never expected it especially how angela reacted at first when oscar was revealed to be gay. i guess it also shows her development though

@@tsou22 they became good friends in real life while working on the show so the writers wrote it in

It wasn't out of nowhere. You could see they both worked together to keep the senator's life secret. People bond under certain conditions, why wouldn't those two?

I didn’t like how they had the senate cheating on Angela with Oscar. That was stupid writing.

Didnt she try to murder him?

I wonder which is which

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