Jennifer Lopez on Getting Married to Ben Affleck, Jimmy Not Being Invited & the Nickname “Bennifer”
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- 게시일 2023. 01. 17.
- JLO talks about marrying Ben Affleck in Las Vegas, what she thinks of their couple nickname Bennifer, Jimmy not being invited to their second wedding, recording her new album “This is Me…Now,” her new movie Shotgun Wedding, working with Jennifer Coolidge, and her co-star Lenny Kravitz stops by in his helicopter to pick her up and give the whole audience tickets to the premiere.
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Her energy is different now. Like she’s truly happy and satisfied and content with her life and I’m happy for her.
Yes, I also thought the energy in this interview is the most honest I've ever seen her!
Yes I agree her enegry is so different now compare to before last year in all her interviews the people that were interview pick up on this to. Jennifer been at peace since she got back with Ben. With her last ex it seems that she was on edge a lot of the time and acting happy for the camera so we don’t notice she unhappy. Every red carpet appearance that she made with her ex she always would tip toe to be higher than him in the pictures and her ex would be checking himself out loads I thought to myself is this a competition to see who better in front of the camera. Low and behold Jennifer made a statement and said she hate it when people compete against her in relationship she was talking about her ex. Now since Jennifer been back with Ben in every interview a new level of energy like I am happy for real people and I am with my true loved finally and we have a new family together. On her red carpet moment with Ben Jennifer glowing like I never seen her before with any of the other people she been with. The same for Ben he glowing to like I never seen him before. They can’t take their eyes of each other or keep theirs hands of each other lol.
the is shotgun wedding january 27th
Don’t all Celebs look happy and cheery on these shows
I noticed she seems really relaxed and chatty. She always seems super sweet. But I definitely feel a different vibe from her in this 💗
Her laugh is contagious. I love that her and Ben found their way back to each other 20 years later. Very sweet and romantic.
Jimmy reading the lyrics to Dear Ben and her reaction after each line was the cutest, most wholesome thing ever. She is so happy and excited.
From the moment she walked in, I could not stop smiling. She's just soooooo happy, making my heart feel soooooo full. I really really wish Jlo & Ben will be together forever. ❤️
Aww the so beautiful 😍 how are you doing?
Same I could not stop smiling to.
I felt exactly the same way. Her happiness is contagious. I am in bed having my morning coffee and watching the interview...twice!!❤😍
I agree. Her happiness is contagious. I'm happy for them. Ben is truly the love of her life. It's great that thet reunited. I hope their relationship lasts this time around.
@kevin carter How are you doing? green with envy!!@
She looks accomplished, confident and settled down. She radiates peace.🤩
Lol. Is this Jlo’s pr team again ?
@@xplaybwoix no, i am just a big fan of her
❤
Exactly. Love her, especially her movies.
Untill they break up and she gets married to someone else again ..
How can you not love J.LO! In spite of all the hate people send her way, she is still so open and shares herself so freely with her audiences and her fans!
She always does so well in talk shows. Such a natural and a infectious personality.
She’s Fake is why , she lacks being genuine.
@@sophicakes22 cool story ☺️
And she’s actually shy.
She honestly seems like such a different person. It’s amazing what getting toxic people out of your life really does. I’m happy for her!
@First Last I think she's different in her interviews before she reunited with Ben. There's a huge difference with trying to convince yourself you're happy and actually truly being happy.
There is no noticeable difference lol Pls cut it out😂
Actually Arod wasn't toxic. Love her but lets be real she broke up with him behind a rumor. It was jlo that was really cheating. She was entertaining Ben via email before her break up. Don't let media fool u.
@@brittanymosley3649 Accept it's not the media saying Arod is the one who cheated. One of the women he was facetiming behind JLo's back was caught out so she admitted it and apologised. That's a fact and no amount of "it was all JLo's fault" is going to change that. Good on Jennifer for walking away and realising that she deserved better. As for Ben, he clearly respected her relationship and only reached out to her after Arod's behaviour was exposed.
@@brittanymosley3649 Toxic is claiming you love someone but defending the man who broke her heart and blaming the person you apparently 'love' instead.
It was refreshing to hear her talking about Ben so openly, about how they broke up 20 years ago and got back together again.
Same here I loved how Jennifer was talking about their loved 20 years ago and about the Dear Ben song that she wrote and Dear Ben part 2.
Only coz they hooked up again is the reason she can now not feel ashamed... She was dumped by him
jen n ben...all can relax n enjoy one another...all out of their business
@@janeking4059 Dumped by him? The way he dumped Garner!
yeah give it little time for her 10th DIVORCE haha
You can tell she's really in love and happy - it radiates off her.
Yes she is. What about you?
@@ggs8915 hello
Yes she was radiates with love.
dear ben lyrics LOL😂😂😂she is under the spell
you know what they say. 5th times a charm
The fact that this lady never give up on love is amazing👏
😂😂
Agree admire that
@@eternalabundance39 yeah so amazing
I know. We don't give up on love.
Love wins ❤️
JLo has worked so hard and created her own happy life. I see it not easy, a lot tears and media abuse over the years included, but she is relentless.
That's exactly what I see!! Amen!!!! ❤🩷💚❤🩷💚❤
Jlo switches men like she changes shoes 👠 😂. Ben will leave soon, he has a lot of self esteem and addiction issues . She found a man who she thinks she can ‘fix’ and will soon realize he’s a lost cause
@@sophicakes22 Wow, you shouldn't be talking about another woman like that. A lot of people man/woman goes through different relationships trying to find love, others just to have sex and fun , but I guess because they are not famous that makes it ok? in her case is different, same or probable less amount of man but since she is who she is people tend to judge her. Let's just wish her the best with this marriage, she seems very happy, is really contagious !!!
Yep ... Worked...really HARD!
SLEPT around with whoever...crossed her path....all kinds...all walks of life...just can't be alone for a minute!!! Yet ALWAYS preaching SELF LOVE .. something she knows NOTHING ABOUT;
@@diliaortiz1939 Amen, thank you!!!
So happy for both Jennifer and Ben. Love her on stage and interviews.
I think this is probably one of the best interviews you've done! I couldn't stop smiling and enjoying myself.
🤣 me, too...best wishes to their ♥!
@@Callmenow586 NO, we don't! 🤣
@@sirlancelote8290 I think the only perv is you as enjoying myself meant I was in good company and spirits. Please get your mind out of the gutter. Thank you.
@@KatharinaK117 Way to go girl!! ✌🏻👍
Same it is one of the best interview she done and you could see that she happy for real.
Jennifer looks so childlike happy 😊. This is adorable!
J-Lo has been breaking boundaries her entire career and as I see it she did it again. A few actresses in Hollywood manage to still get a lead in rom-com past 50 and this is her 3rd one in past 3 years. Jenny from the block is truly Limitless
And she looks good.. Sandra bullock and Nicole Kidman have unfortunately gone into the uncanny valley…
@@scarahjolielaide really? The last movie with Sandra I've seen was Ocean's 8 and I thought she was good
It is many years ago, now she looks terrible. @@brontiq
She looks absolutely happy,wish he all the best she deserves it she works harder than anyone.
I hate her she’s so fake and obsessed with herself and a very bad actress
It's ridiculous how beautiful she is but what gets overlooked is how much her inner beauty always shines through in interviews. I've never seen anyone transform the way that Ben has since their reunion but I think the same could be said for Jennifer. She looks truly happy in a way that I don't remember her ever being before.
Indeed ❤Agreed 🌟
She is so beautiful inside and out. I'm so happy to see her so happy. I can't imagine that level of happiness. Maybe one day I will be blessed, too.
She is an actress! She is acting like she is happy. YOU don't know her at all...
She has THE best makeup person!
@@tonygrowley5275 you can’t truly Act that happy and not Be that happy. At least i can’t. She’s glowing- it’s for reals
I'm not a JLo superfan but I absolutely love watching her interviews. She seems like such a sweetheart. I love her energy. She radiates positivity.
Her energy is so much more genuine and less superficial. She is so happy to talk and rave about ben. Congrats jlo 💙
That Jennifer Lopez-Affleck is absolutely adorable. She has a great personality and she’s beautiful what more can anyone ask for.
Ahh I'm so happy for her. She has such joy in her face and excitement.
Aww the so beautiful 😍 how are you doing?
She’s so cute the way she confirms Jimmy’s words about the Dear Ben song…you can tell she loves him
She really really loved Ben so much and was so heart broken when her and Ben broke up all those years ago. She said it took her 2 years to get over her heart break.
I just LOVE this woman for so many reasons.. she’s an inspiration. After watching her in Hustlers at 50?!?!?
Got my butt back in the gym and now at my best. Feeling better than I ever have even in my late 40’s..
She exudes HAPPINESS and abundance! I am sooo happy she got her happily ever after. Can't wait to see the movie.
Aww the so beautiful 😍 how are you doing?
I am also so happy that Jennifer finally got her happily ever after as she work so hard.
What an authentic wedding story! Incredible. So happy they got back together. I was heartbroken when they split when in my 20's! Some dreams finally do come true.
Yes dreams do come true if you believe
Yes I cried for months when they broke up. I knew it was destiny for them to get back together and I always prayed for them and now it came true. Don’t forget the power of god and love. We are so blessed.
You cried for MONTHS over people you don’t even know?
Crazy!
@@DoctorRevers Cried for months??? Seriously??????????
@@sarcasticallyrearranged Hilarious
Jennifer has an amazing energy ✨
She’s so real, we love that! 💙
i just love them together and i absolutely love that they just up and went for it. ❤ true love doesn’t need all the hoopla, just each other. many many years of happiness to them.
She is very happy with ben
Love looks good on her. I am so happy for them. we all deserve to be happy 🩷✨️
That’s why she always looks good. She’s always in love.
She looks so wholesomely happy
Hello
Her smile never ages, beautiful
She is so beautiful inside and out. She radiates love that makes me feel so hopeful for the future. I am happy she has gotten all the recognition she has gotten 🫂🩵
Wow!!! You can tell "really this time" how happy JLO is❤️👍👍👍
You can’t bring Jennifer and Lenny looking that way at their ages and not expect me to judge myself hard lol.
😂 I feel you !
Take solace in the fact she likely spends at least 20k per month to look like that. Speaking from experience. 💯
His entrance was amazing 😆
Looks like she has added fillers to her cheeks, her face looks very different. She was more beautiful before .
@@naheedali8035 I noticed that right away. She's gained a little weight too not that it's a problem.
I love Jennifer Lopez. Always have and always will. No amount of lies and misinformation is going to change that for me. She's iconic!
Me too obviously lol 😆
Couldn’t agree more!
@@bronwyn117
Yeah, I can’t agree either. 🤣
@@LGAussie
Evidently, with your words commented, the above grammar is not understood.
Your sarcasm failed here.
Same here! I stand with her as she continues to live her best life... keyboard warriors can remain jealous 💖✨
Funniest thing when JLo and Aaron breaking up was reported and I knew Ben was single I literally texted my sister and said I bet you they get back together. She was like no way and I’m so incredibly happy they did ❤️
Love her energy this is not an act she’s glowing and finally looks genuinely happy ❤
Who cares
@@Berighteousoneobviously you do cause ur on this video
@@DLoVesJLO Not how that works
@@Berighteousone so some one forced you to watch this video 😂😂😂
@@DLoVesJLO basically. Never again
So glad Jennifer Lopez is in the best place in her life! She's the sweetest and most wonderful human being!♥️🤗
Yes agreed ❤️
Yes I agree Jennifer looks the happiest I ever seen her before and Ben look the happiest I ever seen him to. Ben look so so hot since he got back together with Jennifer and Jennifer look even more beautiful since getting back with Ben.
I love her and love Ben. Two of the best humans left on earth. Truly a remarkable united blended brilliant family. Only the best for them. Truly. ❤
I keep rewatching Lenny enter and walk in the studio. He struts in confidence and the best supermodel walk ever. The guitar playing just adds so well to it
You just need to watch to movie, that’s his opening scene in the movie, that’s why jlo laughed. They recreated the movie scene lol
Always happy to see a woman happy! Any man that makes his woman’s heart smile and puts wings on her back is a gem💎
I’m flourishing watching her flourish. That’s how powerful she is to me. ❤
What a wonderful way to say it. "Puts wings on her back" I love ❤️
Not really into these things, ...but damn she looks happy as f%&k! Good for them
She’s literally glowing and so freaking happy ❤❤
That was an amazing interview full of different stories and a lovely surprise PLUS she suffered a lot 20 years a go and now she is happy again so good !
You know who else has suffered 20 years?
Jlo is everything! Love her so much. She has a smile that brights the room.
I know she's been in many relationships, but this one is different! You can feel that she's at peace and content ❤️
Yes you really can.
all relationships are the same. You fall in love the first months/years, which is unreal estate, you idealise the person, and then when this is over, either you break up or you start knowing the person for real , working and building up on the relationship on real love, which is accepting and valuing each other for who you are. So I would say only time will tell. You cannot know for sure, no matter how committed you are.
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview. You can see how much in love she is with Ben, and I'm so happy for them.
Me too! I love true love🥰
I can't believe she's turning 54! looks so good 🤩🩷✨️
I want to glow about the love of my life the way JLO glows about hers ❤ so happy for her
I love her despite how hard haters try to bring her down with lies and rumors. She’s above all of them , and I know she knows it which is why she never addresses those low lives
She looks so happy! It definitely shined through during this interview
Aww the so beautiful 😍 how are you doing?
I wish so bad I was her lol… I just want to live her beautiful life for one day
Jennifer is, looks , amazing. May God Bless Ben and Jen Forever and their families ♥️
I really hope to see J.Lo and Ben grow older together ❤️!!
I hope they stay together forever!!!!
Her dress is EVERYTHING one of my favorite outfits she’s ever worn she looks stunning
I know I shouldn't said this but Did you see her shoes? Nice
Dress was beautiful but those shoes got to go to clunky
I love JLo for this. She practically lived her whole love through the media from a young adult to an older mature woman. I am a 90s teenager, and I followed her career from In Living Color, South Central , Selena, Money Train and the list goes on. I could care less about her music career, the only Album I ever loved from her was On the 6.. that album was classic then and still classic now. She is a living Legend. Love her ! Love her!
I agree
I liked her Money Train type roles from the 90s! Glad she broke up with what’s his name
i love everything she does, music movies interviews she’s a real icon
hope this time works for her, she seems so happy, her face glows when she thinks of him😭
I was already enjoying the interview then Lenny appeared! This video just made me smile from ear to ear. I am so happy. Good vibes!
YAAAAAS LENNY KRAVITZ💜
I love her so, so much. Her excitement when Kimmel reads the lyrics of Dear Ben, it's too sweet. She's so in love and I'm super happy for her and Ben ♥ I can't wait for the new album! ♥🤗
For now!! She gets bored easy so I give them 2 years. Maybe 3?
@@susanbrogan6610 Too long. Ben will get easily bored of her. He will be missing lot of work because of her. He doesn't keep a woman that long
@@violetgurl80s60 He doesn’t keep women around that long? That’s wasn’t what happened with Gardner but then he did get bored with her.😂
@@shellyt1983 Wait when he relapse his behavior will be changing. Mark my word he will be drinking again his old demons will come back and haunt this man never changed his ways look at the way he's not smiling. Everytime I see him looks like he's about to relapse because of her work schedules. She only care about herself, her fame, her career and her money. In few months time Ben's behavior will be changing when he does he will be drinking again because of boredom he will be blaming Jlo for his downfall like how he blame Jennifer Garner. Most of you fans will be a laughing stock for shipping this couple. Will Jlo take him to rehab? 🙄🤔
Me to bring on the new album and Ben part 2.
So happy for her! I love seeing our legends' ages, settled down, and hv families. So beautiful 😍
Such an great interview. Speaking about the Vegas wedding made me chuckle. “Heyyyy what are you doing here???” 😅
OMG I got married there. Now 30 years later we are still together. I hope she experiences the same long lasting love,
JLO looks so extremely happy which makes her even more beautiful.
congratulations 🎉❤️🍰!
She’s so happy and I love it 🥲
Jennifer se ve más hermosa y feliz que nunca. 💖☺️
To people who say in the comments that Bennifer is also Garner and Affleck, they are wrong.⁉
Bennifer's nickname relates ONLY to the romance of mythical couple Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. In 2002-2003, they were crazy in love 👩❤💋👨and inseparable 🫂so Kevin Smith gave them this nickname, then picked up by the media.
"Lopez and Affleck's relationship earned Hollywood's first couple's suitcase name". Wikipedia💻
Garner’s fans 🦊tried to make Bennifer 2.0 work with Garner and Affleck, but it was not happening with this ordinary couple...
Bennifer 2.0 is the rekindled romance of the legendary couple 😍Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck in 2021.
She looks insanely happy to be with Ben Affleck again
This is what you call a timeless beauty
I wish I could afford her plastic surgeon. She looks amazing
@@janepearson5802 JLo is all natural. She does not need a plastic surgeon. She lives a healthy lifestyle and take care of herself that's why she still looks young and beautiful. If money was the case then every celebrity of her age were looking like her. Stop being bitter.
@@ankitpant439 I couldn’t have said it better.
@@ankitpant439 she is definitely not natural. Plastic surgeons say that about her. Not all celebrities look as good as her, they don’t do the right procedures and it’s a matter of genes and algo lifestyle, as you said. Also, she is not fair skin, that helps.
Ankit Pant
No 53 year old has impossibly smooth skin like that and for your comment that she’s all natural when you can clearly see the fillers in her face, especially her cheeks is hilarious.
She may have tried to do everything right, but, Father Time comes for all of us!
The “heyyy” ay 04:56 is amazing
I couldn't help but absolutely adore her. Whether I wanted to or not. 💐
You just have to how are you doing?
this is what "in love" looks like
now look at Ben's ex wife and tell me that again.
Shes "in love" to someone different every five years lol
No, that’s what a facelift looks like
Don't her 7 different children come from 7 different dads?
@@aymaanchowdhury81 no, both (2) with Marc Anthony
Jennifer Lopez always looks great! You always can rely on her looking sensational. She is positive, works hard, very talented....I wish her all the happiness in the world!
Lmfao 😂 how many men has this trick gone through?
@@falcfvr20 Good for her. Nothing wrong with enjoying hot looking men.
@@falcfvr20 does it matter? How many women has Marc Anthony gone through or ARod gone through. How come women are always criticized for dating a lot but men can do whatever they want - be 60 and date 20, etc and that is ok? Honestly she super talented, beautiful, hard working etc ...she can do whatever she wants and she seems really happy.
@kimberlyRidenour thank you. Mind You JLO has only been like 7 men we know of her whole life! She is an Icon who is in her 50’s we just know about 7. But Marc and Arod I’ve lost count. Isn’t Marc engaged to a woman younger than his oldest daughter right now? But hey it’s ok right. Love me some JLO and I wish her all the happiness, she deserves it!!❤️❤️❤️
@@nybriag7663 ugh! You're right about Marc! 🤢
I got married at the same chapel 17 years ago it was a spur of the moment a few minutes before midnight September 1st,am Liz from the Bronx, love JLo and Ben together , wish you lots of happiness to you both, I don't listen or care about the lies or negative stuff written about you guys, you are great together you belong together you were meant to be, true love does exist, you guys are the proof of it; true love never fails!! 🙏💓💚👍😁💕😋
Love her, so happy for her. They are beautiful together.
Yes, JLo has her stunning good looks, but she glowed when singing Jennifer Coolidge's praises. Now THAT is true beauty!
LOVE HER 😍 this was a fun interview 😄
As an aside: How gratuitous was that from-behind-the-chair shot when she bends over to take her seat? They've never done that with any other celebrity 🤔
@@marmar90000 Well, she is rather famous for her sexy caboose.
“hey!!! What are you doing here???” … “We’re getting married too”!!! Lol!! She is so cute!! Like they are freaking out aJennifer, they are standing in line with JLO and Batman that’s a big deal!!😂😂😂❤️❤️
Ugly shoes
This gives me hope! I’m so happy for them
I’m glad she’s finally married to the love of her life you can really tell by the way she talks about him❤
I wish you a happy and hopefully a lasting Married life.
Her and definitely will
@@BrandByAngel That's our prayers for them.
"You're perfect"
"HE IS!!"
"I just can't control myself"
"I CAAAAN'T"
"I can't be with no one else"
"NOPE"
"It seems I'm addicted to the way you like to touch me"
"YESSS"
😂
I LOVE HER
My favorite part!!! lol
dear ben lyrics LOL😂😂😂she is under the spell
I read this exactly at the same time in came up in the interview. And it was pretty special/funny lol
My fav part of the interview 😆
I thought she was so cute
This whole segment/interview is an absolute vibeeee
Just smiling In awe of how happy they are. Godbless her marriage in Jesus name
Amen 😊
I stayed at a hostel across the street from the wedding chapel in August 2020 for 3 night and side trip to Bryce canyon. During the stay, I can watch weddings going on at various hours, it was fun 😊 I used to imagine it in movies, then to witness it across the street was fun!
I’m honestly truly and sincerely happy for Jennifer, she has gotten a lot of hate over the years for her love life but for some reason her being back with Ben just makes sense 🥹 I truly hope this is the love of her lifetime and things work out between them now that they found their way back to each other ❤ she just radiates peace and happiness I wish people were more kinder to her 🥲
I hope she stays a good influence on Ben and he can continue to work through his stuff and she work through her stuff w him ❤
It's low key like Elizabeth Taylor remarried Richard Burton. History repeats itself.🙄🎉😁
How naive
She's lasted yrs in a relationship when she's in love. I respect her she won't accept a cheater.
I feel like all people love Jennifer, she is such a beautiful person 🥰
I’m routing for her, I really hope she has a happy long lasting marriage
What I loved about the interview the most is that Jennifer set the rumour straight that she wanted to rush the wedding so Ben don’t change her mind. Ben Idea the Vegas wedding and Ben plan the whole thing and told his wife to be don’t worry our sort everything out. Thank you Mrs Affleck for setting the recordal straight with regards to their wedding.
Love this woman ❤
I definitely felt Jimmy's sentiment. You invite someone to your wedding, they show up, and everything's good. Then they get married and you're not invited, you reasonably feel a way.
😅
While I agree that he should have been invited, I thought that it was in really bad taste to throw that out at Jen on national tv. But she handled it very well.
@@debrogers626 oh please. He was joking. Jimmy didn’t EXPECT an invitation. He’s an adult. It was a joke. That’s why he said it bc he knew JLo would take it as such.
I think it was pretty obvious he was joking. Hence the gifts he gave her. You can tell he has a lot of love for Ben Affleck and JLO.
I'm pretty sure Jimmy was relieved NOT to have to attend another wedding. Besides, he can always make it up and attend the next one.
Wow! She is GLOWING like we have never seen her, ever!
I love the movie so much. Very funny. Jennifer Cooligde is amazing in it too.
I love Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck together as a couple I'm glad they are happy back together I always thought they were awesome couple meant to be together and should never broke up they belong together .
It won't last like every other Hollywood wedding.😆
Same!! I used to love them as a couple and was always rooting for them to be together again.
That's so weird. How could you know if they were an awesome couple? You see like 0.006% of their life.
@@FireMaster7001 otherwise they wouldnt have separated and married other people. Lol ;) the little we know about them really screams divorce in the next 3 years or so.
Me too!
Really cool interview and the chopper thing, awesome!
Jimmy, love this video so much, I can't believe you uploaded it on my birthday. My birthday just happened 3 days ago. I just turned 23. I would do anything to meet Jennifer Lopez.
Lenny and Jlo.. the ones that never age
No, I think Jennifer Aniston is aging better than J Lo, in person you can tell that JLo got a facelift
I just saw the movie and noo Lenny +Jennifer looked old. But josh duhamel looks young😊
Who is Lenny?
@@HH-gv8mx Facelift? Ya think? Definitely nose job. Something about her I just don't like...maybe her favorite subject is her. I wonder if her family is nauseated by her self centeredness and can't pass up a mirror?
@@Leelee-op7vj 🤣wondering, too..
Always love listening to her telling her stories. Classic girl chat 💯
Jennifer Lopez never seems to age for us women who have watched her since the early 90s she's a beautiful heart soul and gorgeous
Has it been twenty years???? Wow ! Time flies. Wish them both much happiness!!!!
Making me feel like we are in the late 90s again
Those were good days...I wish
@@LindaC616 I wish, too 🤣🤣
I loved her in Money Train and obviously Selena . Jlo was that ish in the 90’s!!!!!
Great interview ❤ So proud of Mrs. Affleck ~ She has more than earned her Victory Dance ~ Beautiful to see she and Mr. Affleck together at last 💃🥰🌈🧚♂️💎🇺🇸
Wow, she is so radiant, just glowing, you can tell how in love she is
I really love her work ethic she inspires me so much
Maturity comes with happiness,she sounds and looks happy good for both of them