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Tolkien pretty awesomely once told off a racist publisher who was asking if he had “Aryan heritage”, but there’s some other stuff in his letters that’s more typical of his generations views. Suffice it to say, it’s probably for the best that he’s not around to use Twitter, but hey, maybe he would pleasantly surprise us.
@@allie6160 how anyone who faught the nazis and risked his life for your very right to exist can even be considered a "(insert modern insult)" is laughable and downright insulting
The part where Lindsay predicts that her social circle will become more insular and that she'll be love bombed by the far right is now more relevant than ever.
This has aged flawlessly honestly. This could have come out last week and felt entirely about whats happening right now exactly. Fully comprehended the scope of the ethics and consequences of the situation.
@@georgecrumb8442 I want to respond to this, but so much of it is incomprehensible gibberish that it's hard to know what to say. For the record I don't advocate 'canceling' JK Rowling, I don't think there's any point, she's a billionaire, it doesn't really have any effect. What I do believe in is condemning her views so that ordinary people can see why she's wrong and why her agenda doesn't derserve a seat in the theatre of debate. Also there's a false equivalency here: Lindsay got bullied off of KRplus for comparing Raya to Avatar, which is not a hateful position even if she's wrong. JK has offered to bankroll the legal fees of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, a far-right activist who lets nazis attend her rallies. I feel like we should be allowed to treat her with some measure of scorn.
Increasingly so, and yet there are still people who are shocked when something new she does reaches the mainstream awareness. None of it should come as a surprise by now.
@@willieuam3440 so he should kiss her ass and support opinions he doesn't agree with because that was his breakout role? That's not how the world works and he really doesn't owe her anything. People made the same argument about the Weinstein victims.
Calling JK Rowling “Joanne” is the funniest thing in the world to me. Okay, now that I have one of the top comments, I’d just like to say that for any people that don’t want to deal with bigots today, maybe don’t read these comments. I think the REALLY shitty ones are gone, but there were a bunch of weird TERFy comments with a bunch of likes a while ago. No one needs to deal with that shit.
JOann Rowling is getting a wonderful painting courtesy of me, her and some of her TERF friends taking it easy in a communal roman semen bath. I'd past a link to the twitter thread here ,but that's advertising. Just know, it's real and its almost done.
I just love how Rowling tweeted praise for Stephen King and then promptly, like within a day, deleted those tweets when he made a statement supporting trans people.
Edoc She’s actively bullying and questioning a community for their lifestyle. Saying that only biological sex is real and seems to very adamantly want to prove that, since she recently talked about whistleblowing in the NHS and how she wants to create a huge medical scandal. She’s taking this too far.
@jackaljade jackaljade If it truly bothers you, start a discussion about the video on a forum they do not moderate. Regardless, discussion specifically about trans people is not what this video is about. The video is discussing how to interact with the Harry Potter series, specifically if Rowling's views do bother you and you are not comfortable just ignoring them and separating the art from the artist. Finally, this is her channel, if she does not want to allow comments that may insult, degrade, or make any of her viewers uncomfortable, it is her right. This is her professional home, and she can kick you out of her house if she doesn't like the way you talk about things.
"You are trying to find an academic solution for an emotional and ethical problem." This is such a brilliant video, and I just wanted you to know that *that sentence* is the point where I decided you were my new favourite cultural commentator.
Another great quote of hers (from the "Bright" video) is "you cannot logic someone out of a mindset they didn't logic themselves in", or something like that. Either way, it's a brilliant quote.
Learning Orson Scott Card was a homophobe actually made a ton of sense for me, because we read Ender's Game in my seventh-grade English class at an Evangelical middle school, and I was always mystified by how something so cool managed to end up on the curriculum
It was one of my all time favorites in middle school (wasn't on any reading list, I just happened to read it). The gutpunch I felt from the twist at the end of Ender's Game did happen to mirror the gutpunch of finding out he was a peace of human garbage in a depressingly ironic sort of way. Rowling's coming out as a bigot mostly just gives me anxiety because she's elevating really harmful ideas at a pivotal turning point.
Its probably because he's mormon, which arguably adds an extra layer to the issues with purchasing his work. It's likely that a chunk of your purchase will go into tithing, putting money into the churches pocket...
Hoping any Potter fans over the age of 19 to realise that Rowling's work was always very right wing and traditional conservative Brit. None of her personal beliefs are that surprising
@@arlostein1000 Yeah, but that always read like a bit of harmless patriotism. Not that that's strictly 'harmless', I know, but there is a world of difference between realising that Harry Potter is suspiciously keen to evoke a rosey-tinted, nostalgic idea of British culture that wouldn't be out of place under Churchill, and loudly proclaiming - rationalising - right wing extremism (ala Churchill). I suppose my opinion is influenced by the factor of growing up with Harry Potter after emigrating, so as a child, nostalgia about the "idea of England" was innocent, not strange and insidious, but still.
@@arlostein1000 I was 18 or 19 when Half-Blood Prince was released, and it was in reading that book that the traditional values became an obvious pattern: No couples in the series had children out of wedlock, and the majority of marriages were based in mutual love and respect. The only exceptions were Voldemort's and Snape's respective parents, and the exclusions were part of the narrative to explain why both were so drawn to the Dark Arts. I agree that her beliefs aren't surprising. Perhaps fans feel more betrayed to find that someone who wrote such influential books espousing the power of love, accepting outsiders, and reaching across the barriers of bigotry is not practicing what she preached.
To be fair the fact that he is dead for a LONG TIME helps a lot. Also the fact that there are some pretty good fanfiction with his lore made by non assholes is good too
And I was wondering when someone was gonna bring up Lovecraft. I love his world, his fantasy. And i took a hard swallow to say i read majority of his work. But pretty much done. I would recommend some but HARD PASS on The Rats in the Walls. Guy is disgusting...end of conversation.
@@QarthCEO race is intrinsically tied to culture which shaped your beliefs, language, values and traditions, both consciousness and subconscious. Sex is only simple at highschool level education, gender was added to the scientific lexicon to differenciate biological sex from lived experience and personal traits that society associated with one specific sex, and was added to identify that while sex and gender traditionally correlate thry csn also be very different.
Along with that, she literally created a story where children are sorted into strict groups, and one of the defining things about the main character is that he chose for himself which group to be sorted into. Whether or not she intended to, she made an allegory for being a young person exploring gender identity in her own damn book series.
@@CaitieLou that's what most suprised me about all this shit. there are so many allegories that could be used to represent lgbt and make trans kids feel that they are not abominations and then she goes and shit through her mouth.. go figure
It's so funny that a few months ago we were at this point where we were still saying things like "I don't think JK Rowling believes she's transphobic", and now she's promoting merch stores that sell mugs that say "Proud Transphobe" lol
@@TheEwqua Yep Yep. She had posted a link to some sort of merch, which is fairly normal, but if you went to the rest of the website you could find pins saying shit like 'Transmen are my sisters'
@@julianasilva6946 trans men are men. Men usually prefer being called brothers. it becomes especially important for trans people since their gender identity is already being questioned. Donkey Kong says trans rights
@@julianasilva6946 How about this, dicknozzle, you explain WHY it's wrong or irrelevant. You're a nobody rando on KRplus, what crackhead universe do you live in where you think you can just Decide what is or isn't wrong or relevant by fiat?
In the words of Daniel Radcliffe: "If these books have taught you that love is the most powerful force in the universe, capable of overcoming everything; if they have taught you that strength is found in diversity and that dogmatic ideals of purity lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a specific character is trans, non binary, of fluid gender, gay or bisexual; if you found something in those stories that reached you and helped you at some point in your lives ... then that is something between you and the book you read, and it is sacred. And, in my opinion, no one can touch that. It means whatever it means to you, and I hope these comments don't taint you too much."
I was about to comment that the most wholesomely funny response I've seen to all of this was someone Tweeting basically "Now that we know JKR is terrible can we just collectively agree that Daniel Radcliffe wrote Harry Potter?". I can't in good conscious give JKR my money anymore, but I can and do still love HP for so many reasons, not least of which is how powerful its message about the strength of love is. And I'm so grateful that at least some of the people involved with it still see that, recognize how important it is, and realize that siding with bigots is in direct opposition with that.
If you've ever been to the local city dump, that's basically Twitter, except with more culture because the guys working at the dump might talk about clerks or something
I think the really interesting thing about these cases is that the author's personal beliefs and actions seem to contradict the values instilled by their works...but it's all the same person producing both seemingly hypocritical ideas. It's a good jumping off point to reflecting on how we might think we stand for one thing and end up standing for something else entirely.
Honestly, it highlights how much we, as readers, bring into the stories ourselves. I recently had a conversation with someone about the SPEW plotline in book 4. They insisted that the book came down very heavily in rejecting house elf slavery and their only criticism was that they felt that house elves should have been freed in the epilogue. My point was that the book itself leaves GAPING holes in its morality and lets the reader fill in: I read the book for the first time as an adult, right after I had first really started to care about social issues and effective activism. When I read it for the first time, I felt that Harry's largely ambivalent attitude toward the question was inviting the reader to sympathize with the status quo and, even if sympathetic toward Hermione's view, conclude that at minimum she was going about things in the wrong way and isn't that worse than doing nothing at all? I came away feeling that it was an uncomfortable attempt to tie up an uncomfortable loose end introduced in previous books. By having Harry largely avoid having an opinion and by having Harry's two best friends argue opposite sides, it invites the reader to project a very wide variety of meanings onto the story, allowing a wider audience to feel affirmed by the book. Kids largely want to like stories and want to like people in stories, and so leaving those holes open makes it really easy for kids to just assume the books had more to say than they actually did. As another example, see the lip service given against blood purity vs the plot's continual hammering of the importance of characters' parents and birth circumstances to their innate morality.
@@lerualnaej5917 A really good example of this is "Ratatouille", most people and even myself watched the movie and got out of it the message that "stealing is bad, unless it's necessary". But rewatching it, I realised how much the movie was against all kinds of stealing even to the point where Remy went without food for probably days. "The Squad" on youtube has a really great analysis of it, called "Capitalism, Poverty, and Ratatouille" if you want to check it out.
I know this comment was from 2 yrs ago, but so much truth here. To me, if an author’s work directly contradicts their own beliefs, it rings very hollow. Harry Potter, in my childhood, used to have great messages about the horrors of bigotry, but while the books themselves were exceptional - the true messages of it, the subtext, feels very meaningless now that the author herself is revealed to be a bigot.
*Death of the author* "I'm not dead yet!" Monty Python jokes aside, one of the hardest things to do can be to give yourself permission to out grow someone who helped you grow.
We say that, but then what about the unfortunate case of far-right extremists appropriating and glorifying films that are satirizing things like Nazis or bigotry (ala Archie Bunker), but those audiences take it and praise and identify it. Aren't they missing the point? Or is it valid, because "Death of the Author"?
C.S Lewis would be in the same boat, especially in me too movement. In the original series, he was really sexist about women. It was a sign of the times, I'm just being fair. The 1940s didn't have women in wars publicly, but I doubt he'd change much since then.
@@SaraNightfire1 As someone who read all of theirs works I must disagree. If they were in our times, they wouldn't be who they were. Lewis had his issues,but he was open-minded. He questioned himself and his beliefs.I truly doubt he would tolerate his own ignorance.
@@damesayo4656 Tolkien and Lewis would both 100% be right-wing, and there's nothing wrong with that lol. If you've truly read all their works you would know that.
Oh dear, you just had to remind me :D But hey, in his defense: He died young, and towards the end of his life, his stories and massive amounts of personal letters started to imply a change in attitude. He seemed to be realizing the error of his prejudicial views and might have corrected them, given a chance to live them through. He also married a Jew, which isn't mentioned too often, and their relationship seemed to value ones personal qualities over their background. I try to think he had hope, although his early stories are hilariously racist, and even the later ones are at least somewhat so.
@@Felyx90 In fact, it is widely rumored that one of his most famous stories, "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", was inspired in-part by Lovecraft discovering that he was part Welsh (and reluctantly accepting it) and/or his own fears of interracial marriages... The basic premise involves an old fishing town that is routinely visited by a race of mermen called the Deep Ones, resembling the creature in Guillermo Del Toro's "The Shape of Water". The village of Innsmouth is basically run by a cult, which raises hybrid offspring between humans and the Deep Ones as part of a pact. At a young age, the hybrids look and act like regular people, so they grow up in the village as everyone else, until their merman traits finally manifest in adulthood and they leave to join the Deep Ones at the bottom of the ocean. The protagonist discovers the village's secret, escapes from Innsmouth, and manages to alert the authorities who come in to capture/exterminate the Deep Ones there. But when the story ends, he discovers traces of the Deep Ones within his own bloodline and starts to transform. After briefly considering suicide, the protagonist decides to embrace his new form and dives into the sea. So yeah, the claim that Lovecraft would come up with an unusual story like that, just so he can liken it to marriages between people of differing ethnicities, demonstrates Lovecraft's reputation as a seriously disturbed racist. At the same time, I heard that people have enjoyed reading "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" as its own story and could easily divorce it from the author's original intent, to the point where it inspired the Fishing Hamlet DLC level in FromSoftware's video game, "Bloodborne".
Well, that's _magic,_ that's OK! Doing the same thing the hard way, Muggle-style, is what seems to upset her. She's a secret Slytherin! And a Death Eater at that! Hates the Mudbloods. she does!
So, an interesting idea I am in no way qualified to implement- Harry Potter fan-fiction with trans characters. Like make that one wizardess who does all that shapeshifting amab (if that’s not an offensive idea- please correct this notion if you’re a trans person who would find it so), maybe use her and a character that would be less “passing” to explore some of the differences within the trans community- or really any number of ideas that, as a mostly cis person, I have no experience with or understanding of.
It seems generally odd that wizards would not develop physical augmentation spells and start warping their bodies into any shape desired. Like, you're a powerful wizard. Why the heck don't you look like Geralt of Rivia or Fabio, or have a 30" horse dong? You know, the kinda vain stuff people would immediately gun for, given the chance. But we don't even see so much as magical beauty effects or cosmetic illusions. You just know at a magic school they'd have to outrule radiance effects because the girls would overdo it and blind other students.
@@coricoo_247 But that is unnecessarily shoved into a rare congenital trait as a post-hoc explanation as to why that would be anything but the norm. Witcher probably is being more realistic with a cabal of vain casters who create pompous appearances for themselves.
One of the reasons I am so for Eddie Redmayne is because he spoke out against JK before the movies / books were finished. Which I think is even more courageous than the others. Although I am incredibly grateful to them (Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson) for speaking out on this issue... But you have to admit it is easier to rebel against a former boss vs a current boss. 🤷🏼♀️
@@elbruces i don’t think he was implying they should have rebelled against earlier, just that he deserves more praise in doing so since he’s working for her.
The fact that orson scott Card has written homophobic and transphobic propaganda and also wrote about understanding Ramen (aliens we recognize as people) is so baffling to me
Ender Wiggins I know when I first read OSC without knowing anything about him as a person, I genuinely assumed he was gay. The dislocation between his writing and his personal views is really mindbending.
To quote Daniel Radcliffe: If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything; if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual; if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life - then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that. It means to you what it means to you.
These books taught me that enforcing and maintaining the awful status quo of your society is good as long as you aren't a literal Nazi. Remember when Hermione was like "hey guys slave labour is bad" and everyone was like "pfft shut up Hermione, they enjoy it".
@@BrowncoatAllywang And then the fandom got angry SPEW was cut out of the movies, like guys be critical a second. Thankfully now we can drag the books for all their flaws without as many people upping their arms.
JKR makes me all the more grateful for Megan Whalen Turner, an author who's motto is "not telling". You get what's in the text of her (excellent) books, and nothing more. I saw a talk she gave a few years ago where she mentioned WHY she has this attitude. Her first book was published right around when the internet was beginning to really grow, and she saw that readers would congregate online to discuss books, including hers. They had all of these great discussions about what certain things meant or what these characters thought...and she realized that as an author, as soon as she stepped in to explain something, that conversation thread stopped. So, speculation is up to the readers, and she stays out of it as a way to help that conversation flourish.
Lost Alone weren’t they both married in the epilogue of the last book? I mean if that’s your head canon that’s cool. But for a sec I though you meant just cursed child and retcon weirdness.
It's the whole thing about art, once the final stroke of the brush has been done, it transcends the artist, and it becomes many things to many people. Often people see things in the art that the artist never intended, or created subtext where none existed. I hated the Star Wars Special Editions for the very reason that something I loved, and things that had meaning were changed. It was like Da Vinci raising from the dead and deciding the Mona Lisa needed some changes and suddenly the painting was no longer what you fell in love with, it's something new and perhaps even entirely different.
Anduril - It’s funny that you mention Da Vinci and the Mona Lisa specifically, as scholars believe da Vinci took the painting with him wherever he went, constantly working on it and changing it, right up until his death. It’s likely he may have even considered the painting unfinished still when he physically couldn’t continue working on it due to illness.
to the harry potter fans who need a new book series about magic and wizard schools, i recommend the Earthsea series by Ursula K. LeGuin, it's super underrated, has amazing world building, and POC protagonists
Or read the vast amounts of HP fanworks if they really, really want HP stuff. I haven't read the actual books in years due to fanworks being, in some cases, better.
Imagine an author who writes a whole fantasy world that isn't steeped in bigotry. Imagine Ursula K. LeGuin, imagine Tamara Pierce, imagine Rick Riordan, imagine Mercedes Lackey (although she has some...questionable portrayals), imagine Andre Norton.
I think the problem with “hot takes” is it’s often reacting in the moment and there may be more facts or nuances that are still to come to light. Lindsay’s “brand” if you want to call it that is deeply researched, examining context and nuance, insightful, while also being entertaining and easy to digest.
The whole point of "you can't consume content without financially supporting the author" implies that piracy doesn't exist. I don't see how that's true.
Or just previous ownership. Like, burning your books isn't going to phase the cash she already got. Best thing you could do if owning them is just too much for someone would be to donate them so they'll be resold and she doesn't get a dime.
The argument is that even if you pirate something you're still giving the creator attention and raising their profile. And you're probably not going to be careful about talking about it to other people, right? So if you like the work, and you say so to anyone, you're raising the chance of that person seeking it out. Even disliking it could motivate someone to see for themselves. Even if you say nothing, a high amount of piracy is pretty headline-grabbing. Like if I told you that World of Goo is one of the most pirated games of all time, you'd be curious to know what made it so desirable, yeah?
It's kind of like some of the arguments you hear in the vegan community about already-owned fur and leather products. Some people say it's best to keep and use the products or give them away to someone who will since you've already bought them, and they already exist, and just chucking them out would be wasteful. Some people say that wearing them still contributes to normalising the idea that fur and leather are acceptable/desirable materials for those products, still supporting the industries not necessarily financially, but like, implicitly and socially. If you're giving positive attention to her works, then you're supporting JKR at least in concept if not directly. Still maintaining her popularity, which still gives her reach and ends up with her getting more money
The reason this is so hard to reconcile is that she wrote "It is our choices, Harry, which show what we are far more than our abilities" and then rocked up two decades later with "gender is stored in the chromosomes"
If you read more into how she portrays gender in the HP series, it becomes obvious she would end up here with just the tiniest of pushes. Want to hear something beyond fucking ironic? Remember Moaning Mythle? How she kept checking out Harry in the bathroom? Invaded his space? That wasn't portrayed as sexual harassment or weird at all, no, it was coy and risqué, a girl with a crush. The audacity of that bitch is something else.
@@l.n.3372 Yep. We're also supposed to feel sympathy for Merope Gaunt, who raped Tom Riddle(Senior)by using a love potion on him to conceive Tom Junior. If it was reversed(a man drugging a rich girl and doing this), everyone in the world would be up in arms. It's never mentioned again and I'm like "Ummm...no. Go back and think about someone else for once!"
@@IncredibleGoliath the secret to that is spending 4-5 hours sitting in the library reading through a whole book at once without checking it out. On a more serious note, I didn't actually know that, huh
@@sulfurcarbide7039 I believe their story is just about reading a book without checking it out. I've done that too, like when Kroger used to have the book section next to the pharmacy, I'd just read the books and put them back.
Two years on, her influence and money is seeing actual legislation in Scotland that was supposed to help trans individuals overruled by the English Parliament. She CANNOT be separated.
@@Nadia1989 Why do you wish against it? Only through these high profile cancels does the Radical Left movement get press attention. Especially with the Biden campaign and moderate Democrat voters showing excessive signs that they'll abandon far Left causes if it means they can win against Trump, we need these massive cancels more than ever.
I fucking wish she was canceled. But sadly, upper-class white people don't get canceled by the left. Now on the other hand, the right has proven very capable of canceling said people
@@sierra3052 lol you're mixing up the left with the right. What you described the left were doing, the right-wingers do that. The left mostly cancel upper-class white people.
As I am watching this, there is a tweet going around that essentially says that prior to JK Rowling, female authors were unheard of. People are just responding with lists of famous female authors ie. Agatha Christie. Bronte sisters ect.
Well thank God people are educating that person. It's pretty disrespectful to ignore the work of a bunch of women before Rowling, especially considering one of them started the sci-fi genre.
No other author is more financially connected to their "brand" than Rowling. That's why it's insane no PR manager has just told her to STOP TWEETING. This franchise is worth billions and employs countless people.
It’s difficult because she’s already made billions so she could get cancelled and cut off from the franchise and she’d still be better off than 99.9% of the population
@@TheSorrel I have to assume there's a Harry Potter PR manager knocking back whiskey in a pub every time she tweets, looking at their phone and sighing deeply.
There’s a small independent (owned by one couple) Harry Potter merch store in a small town not far from me. It’s a lovely place, in a lovely, very picturesque town, with a lovely cafe next door. It’s all very lovely, including the owners, who are very nice people. I feel bad for them.
You're spot-on about her; all the predictions you made about her publicly getting more comfortable with figures further and further into alt-right ideology. It's almost uncanny.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360she's not a feminist. She's a terf. There's a difference. Feminists want equality for everyone. Terfs want equality only for cis (women/) people. Also trans people know what a woman is. Why else would trans women transition to one? Why else would trans men & non binary people know that they aren't one? Fact is that science is on our side, not yours. Sex doesn't equal gender. There are multiple studies on how transitioning helps save lives. Every major scientific organisation is for access to trans healthcare.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 She is anything but. If she is hanging out with a bunch of alt right anti-feminists, she is an alt right anti-feminist. Not to mention supporting taking away peoples rights makes you wonder if she actually learned any of the lessons placed in her books? How long until she turns on her own again?
The main cognitive dissonance that I have with JK Rowling is that her stance on transgender people goes against the moral lessons that many people found in her books. Ask any HP fan, and they will probably tell you that the whole Pureblood plotline was a thinny veiled criticism of racism, and it taught the fans to be inclusive and open-minded, and not just towards people of different races but all sorts of marginalized groups. It would be like... being a fan of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood as a child, applying the lessons you learned to be a better person, and then growing up to learn that Mr. Rogers treats some people like crap. You are stuck holding a moral opinion that you learned from a creator and then discovering that creator doesn't even believe in that moral opinion that you learned from them. It is very distressing, because HP pushed me to the left-wing as a pre-teen and teenager because I applied the moral lessons to everyone, not just against racism. It's hard to explain. HP was formative to me, just far more then the author might have intended.
Was Harry Potter against racism? She has antisemitic caricatures and pro slavery arguments in her books. None of the wizarding race superiority plot lines are resolved. Things just stay the same.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 It was Ron who mocked Hermione’s anti-slavery activism. Ron was by far the dimmest of the 3 main protagonists in HP. Take that for what it is worth.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 And yet at the end of it, in DH, Harry and Ron magically agree with Hermione's opinions on house elves with no build up. I agree it's done badly, and I agree about the goblin anti-Semitism, but to call the series pro-racism is a bit of a stretch. Like, definitely don't buy the merch or watch the movies or play the game, but buying used books or borrowing from libraries? That's fine. The main message of the series is very much anti-racism. Harry himself doesn't like the Ministry because of its bigoted ideology and reforms it when he gets in.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 I think the books were intended to be anti-racist, but in some ways they end up kind of racist NOT because that was Rowling's intent, but because of clumsily bad writing. I also think in the specific case of the goblins she didn't realize the tropes she was following (picked up by cultural osmosis) were anti-semitic.
The fact that Rowling even blocked Stephen King, whom she used to consider a friend just because he has a different (positive) point of view about the trans community speaks volumes about how she refuses to open up for a mature dialogue which, if you think about it, is very sad. I used to enjoy the Harry Potter saga so much and now I really don't know how to feel or think about this even though I'm not trans.
@@Lolokbye Not sure if she blocked him, but she did take down a tweet praising him after he simply stated "trans-women are women" and unfollowed him. I don't think anyone other than Rowling and King can tell if she blocked him.
Ive been wrestling with my feelings regarding Harry Potter; I think I will stick around in the fandom because I still have love for this fictional world and I want to preserve some of it. Can’t leave a huge chunk of my childhood for TERFs to ravage, eh? I’m one of these people for whom Harry Potter means a lot. It was my escapism, sometimes literally the *only* joy in my life. Growing up LGBTQ in a country where my existence is outlawed did take a significant toll on me. I saw too much of myself in a boy whose presence people saw as a major inconvenience. Harry’s own family was ashamed of him and shoved him in a closet so no one could see him. As a kid I legit thought that Harry’s life was a metaphor for being LGBTQ (back then I thought that the entire world was like my country, and no one was allowed to freely write openly queer characters). Fifth book was especially hard for me to go through because of the media outrage and malicious propaganda aimed at Harry. Again, projection - I was thirteen when I saw in the news that the discriminatory law banning LGBTQ people from the freedom of expression and livelihood was passed. I related to Harry, I was barely in my teens and had to watch myself being torn apart by the strongest this world. Now I am the villain, now I’m a delusional psycho, now my life and my voice are worthless because strangers with power and influence don’t like me. And after everything that Harry went through in the books, after the closeted life, bullying, wicked propaganda and fight with wizard KKK, JK Rowling delivers. It’s unfathomable to me how the author who wrote the story in which love and compassion are the ultimate saving powers can become the main villain of her own tale. Thanks to Contrapoints, Jamie and Shaaba, I have a solid understanding of how she became a TERF and why her reasoning is bullshit. Still hurts to think that the person who gave little me hope decided to actively harm me, my friends, and my community. I’ll stick with AO3 and watch what kind of tricks people can do and how much they can improve and polish the source material. I’ll check tumblr for fanart. If I want a keychain or some shit I’ll go on etsy or make it myself. I found a good community through Harry Potter, I became a fan of the fandom and I think I’ll keep it that way. This way if I feel that I’m ready to move on from the story I can walk away peacefully.
I enjoyed your comments on “JK Rowl...”, and like you had reassess my relationship with Orson Scott Card. “Ender” meant everything to me, and then I encountered Card’s blatant bigotry. (The movie being so meh helped a lot). I thoroughly recommend the author Lois McMasters Bujold, as she is reminiscent of Card, yet quite positive in her handling of LGBTQ+ themes. I hope this is helpful.
@@IamJenJen101 a person still "in their shell" its kinda like the trans version of closeted. Tho I have seen it used to describe gay peeps too. In my case it was both.
It's such a weird duality, the fact that, as Lindsay said, Joanne (love calling her that. I'm gonna call her that, now) IS Harry Potter with how inserted she is in the world that she created, how she's still writing the scripts of the Fantastic Beasts movies herself, regularly writes about new HP lore etc etc... And yet, with the colossal amount of fan-created content that is around now, and the numerous other people who have now worked in bringing that world to life, it's like it doesn't entirely belong to her anymore already. A Harry Potter or even Fantastic Beasts fan can easily cruise on consuming fan-created content only. There's so much discussion around the universe, so much creativity in discussing the lore, that fans have altogether already massively rejected content put out by Joanne herself (Cursed Child for instance, and also not many people are into Fantastic Beasts, I personally am so it lowkey hurts to say, but it's true) or become critical of lore she came up with herself (criticizing all the loopholes in her coming up with magical schools for the rest of the planet, etc). She at the same time has immense influence on the franchise, and not so much anymore. Because of that, it is so very hard to tell the impact this will all have on the franchise exactly, because someone can now easily call themselves a die-hard HP fan and still decide to not go see FB3 when it'll be released, or give any money to the franchise. Even when talking about merch! There are so many wonderful fanmade items you can find on Etsy and such, now. I can't wait for that next FB movie to be released, not particularly to see what happens in it (2nd FB movie was shite, let's be real), but to see if it will do well or not.
@Unshaken Productions It's uh. It's very easy to google this but okay: variety.com/2020/film/news/joel-schumacher-dead-dies-batman-director-1234644961/
i also think reading copies of HP you’ve had for ten years while knowing Rowling is a trash can, and continuing to buy her work and engage with the new stuff, are two very different forms of comsumption
Yea I haven't bought any official HP merch or paid to see any of the movies since like 2016, stuff from creators on Etsy or somethin is usually better quality anyways.
God the spiteful hate on here. I do agree though, Donovan. If you already own her books and want to go back and enjoy her work for its merits alone, there should be nothing stopping you. As long as you're now aware going in that the author's personal opinions have coloured the text and that you should therefore read with caution. It is endlessly hilarious to watch people in the comments spit furiously, 'I never liked -enter Harry Potter book here- anyway! The Cursed Child was crap! Ha! Gotcha!' Yeah no. I'm not going to retroactively rethink about my experiences with Harry Potter and convince myself that JK Rowling was not a good writer. She was a phenomenal writer, a stepping stone for millions of teenage readers on their way to adult ficiton and beyond. Does JK Rowling have some questionable *personal* opinions? Absolutely. Who doesn't? The solution for me is not the Death of the Author, it's Living with the Author. Because no author, no creator, no artist, is unproblematic.
As for abandoning Harry Potter altogether completely...If this situation absolutely makes you feel horrible about loving Harry Potter and you feel you can't enjoy the books/movies/whatever anymore the way you used to or at all, I'd recommend distancing yourself from Harry Potter for a while---not swearing it off forever---and then seeing how you feel about it after some time has passed. If it didn't make a significant positive difference in your personal life, just return to enjoying Harry Potter and see if you can return to enjoying it as you used to or at least well enough. Point being; don't try to change yourself/your loves because of social pressure, or misplaced sense of obligation. Do it only if it truly bothers you personally that much. All I'm trying to say is, don't needlessly try to shun and erase from your life something that has meant a world to you and has/is making you happy. You can't unpay for those books and movies you bought years ago and selling them away isn't going to fix Rowling's actions. There's nothing wrong with the contents of the Harry Potter books and movies themselves in these terms. So you enjoying such content created by a less-than-great person is not saying that you support her newly outted beliefs. How could it? Such beliefs are not present in the content you enjoy. There are more effective ways to show your UNsupport of Rowling's new attitude, than for you to abandon something that's made you happy and has nothing to do with the toxic thing at hand. I mean, I understand that the Death of the Author is hard to apply in this case, but I honestly don't think it's impossible.
I think in general, idolizing ANYTHING is problematic. Especially if you are idolizing another flawed, powerful person of influence. When we begin to understand how to embrace both criticism and value out of a situation or thing or person or art piece, I think we’ll have a better more healthy view of the world. But that comes with a full acknowledgement from the start
What's fascinating in the end, as I think we sort of now have seen, that this was preparation for her new book. It's like she knew she was going to come out with this anti-trans book so she had to start off early making sure people knew her stance on trans people. I could almost imagine her thinking it would go well for her, that she read the room so badly and thought that her take would be seen as brave and important.
William Walshe I get that he’s not everyone’s taste but his whimsical style was a tool he used to dance his readers around an issue they took for granted, only to smack them in the face with how blatantly untrue their assumptions were. I get what you mean, but he’s Pratchett, he was his own genre.
Definitely visible in the newest work a la JKR that is specifically about this "cross-dressing predator" that JKR is so hell-bent on proving all trans women are. She legitimately wrote out her twisted fantasy to stand to her point and I'm so frustrated to see tweets and posts and opinions about separating the art from the artist.
I'm glad you brought up Orson Scott Card. I love his books, would read all his work, etc. When his rants came out, and I said to myself, "I can separate the author from the work, no problem." However, after a few months I realized I wasn't going out of my way to read any of his works, stopped looked for new ones, and basically had just stopped reading him. I surprised that it just happened for me. And while his works are amazing, I don't miss it, because there are tons of really great authors out there that I can read instead. Thank you for your videos, really insightful and thought provoking.
For me, "death of the author" more has to do with the interpretation of what's in-the-text vs an author's intended interpretation of their text, which I find to be a different issue from supporting the financial life of the person who owns the license. At this point, I own the books and the movies. They are on my shelf. Some of my money has traveled into and possibly out of her bank account. But I don't need to buy additional copies. I don't need to see any of the Fantastic Beast movies. I don't need to get anything else from her. So, at least I can dodge any future issues of "needing" something from her. (Ducked a bullet there.) There's other series out there to enjoy. Getting stuck on one usually just leads to eventual disappointment. I just hope I can enjoy each of them to their completion before each author "politically sundowns" their public image.
So you do agree that the author is linked in that you don't want to further support Joanne? Her tendrils are poisoning any further purchase of her works You can't separate the author's intent and enjoyment of it knowing this
Yeah, as much as reaching for the "death of the author" might seem appropriate, that appearance perhaps reflects the intensity of the animus that Rowling has brought upon herself, rather than having much particular relevance to her work or her public comments.
I'm not chucking anything I own, there's ways to watch new stuff without funding her 😇 I will keep calling her out. Sadly the world means a lot to many in the trans community. Many of us felt a connection to it.
Predicting it now: Lindsay Ellis doing a "hot take" video impromptu makes way more views and likes than her normal release schedule and it'll be unsettling though not entirely surprising cause KRplus likes to promote this stuff over, y'know, video essays.
I don't like notifications on my phone so I rarely click the bell on anyone (I know, I'm a bad subscriber sorry :[ ), but this is the first time youtube has shown one of Lindsay's in my recommends on the front page on the first day it's been out in a LONG long time.
Wouldn't surprise me, especially given that it's on a subject likely to show up in a lot of people's feeds as they watch similar videos. Either way, Lindsay continues, as she always has, to raise the bar for KRplus content.
I recently learned about this concept "desidentification" during my course on queer memory. A lot of queer, poc, or otherwise historically discriminated against, marginalized people do this often unconciously anyway. It is this act of recognising that something or someone or a quote can have an impact (maybe even positive) on yourself or society in general while at the same time distancing the parts you dont agree with from yourself and your own identity. Having a word for this really helped me understand my own process of consuming art & literature better and feel less guilty about enjoying problematic peoples work. Doesnt mean i will still buy or financially support problematic people but just that being aware of problematic peoples views doesnt ruin the whole experience or the memory of simply enjoying stuff theyve put out.
Please take 5 seconds to research George Lucas' philanthropy. Try not to let some movies about space wizards put him in the same category as a millionaire, highly influential, outspoken bigot.
In all seriousness tho, when George Lucas wanted to expand Skywalker Sound on his property, the local housing association pushed back citing noise complaints and disruption to the area. So Lucas just went "fuck you, I'm gonna build low-income housing instead"
I can't really let go of Harry Potter. Too many memories. I feels super weird because I know who is behind this. It's easier to enjoy Lovecraft - the dude died the lonely death he deserved and he cannot profit off me reading his work at all. For HP, I consume what I have - DVDs and the books I got 15-20 years ago - but I'm not buying merch, buying new books, going to the cinema, or even engage with fantastic beasts at all.
Fanfic authors cuss out joanne before the start of the first chapters. The marauders fandom has trans authors who engage in trans activism. There are ways to engage with different forms of media. Some people have genuinely made these characters their own.
As a British person, I hadn't realised how bad the cult of potter/ cult of Rowling was till maybe late high school when books like skullduggery pleasant, Darren Shae stuff, goosebumps, the worst witch series, Stephen King, Rick Riordan, Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett books were either being banned outright from the school or put away in storage...As a library monitor I found this really suspicious since when I was year 7 (11-12) they encouraged us to bring in anything but Harry Potter to read, but like five years later Harry Potter was now the only book kids could read and even affected the school itself like we had 4 house teams were split in if you were green you were automatically treated like Slytherin despite the mascot being an octopus. It wasn't till I was in my last year and parents found out that this changed and the other books were "released"... never found out why it occurred probably because the head was a super uptight hater of the arts and challenging fantasy. Even now as a 24-year-old who is waiting for literary agents to pick my book up I still get rejection saying "not enough like Harry Potter" or "Won't get the Harry Potter Market"..."Barley Urban Fantasy not set in a school" ... "what's a spriggan?"..."no one wants a female werewolf love interest" (all serious quotes from rejections) Um sorry for the ramble...its nearly midnight but this is like legit messed up Edit band for banned I hate autocorrect
I'll never get over the fact that the author of a book series about a boy living in a closet who finds out he is in a niche community, joining a new family who are in said community, and fighting for the basic rights of minorities, is transphobic.
@@Reggie1408 the whole treatment of spew as essentially a running gag rather than a worthy cause worth discussing seriously among the protagonists is textbook reactionary
@@breadvelvet, While I understand how spew was presented was an issue, it also doesn't help that Hermione seems to just want to jump in a free the elves without doing any research or anything into their culture. Since JK never does that, we're only left with one very narrow viewpoint of the situation. To be clear, I get why people have a problem with the elves in general. I just feel like Hermione could have done more besides assuming she knows what's best without really consulting the elves for their point of view.
Not only that, but it's quite the irony to see someone who in her books portrayed bigotry as something heinous, a lost cause and a seed of evil, say so many discriminatory stuff. To her fans, it must feel like an absolute betrayal of the core ethos behind her beloved oeuvre.
death of the author and supporting the author financially by consumption are totally different things, the text IS a personal thing to each of us, that has nothing to do with the ethics of supporting the author, which is a separate matter altogether, one can pirate or borrow or visit the library and enjoy a story by lovecraft without inadvertently doing something unethical, same goes for jk
Maybe it's because I myself am trans, but I find it illuminating, fascinating, and downright disturbing that people put more importance on a fictional world over the continued rights of human beings...
I don't want to discount what you are saying as I partially agree with it. Though at the same time I don't feel like it is *that* cut and dry. Though I'd bet that most of the people consuming media made by bad people work under (willful) ignorance of the immoral effect that the author can have, both in financial and also in giving them a platform. Especially in these days where it's way easier to give out about the horrible stuff people in a lot of industries are doing, it's becoming harder and harder to enjoy anything without having moral dilemmas. Just look at Hollywood, the shit that happened in the music industry and the game industry to just name a few examples... And because a lot of people use media to escape from life there is a part of wanting to divorce the work with the artist. And since media is all around us, can enrich people and can influence the creation of other media where do we draw the line? Is it ever justifiable to engage with media made by bad peoplr? Is having harmful opinion by the author enough to not engage with it? Or do we draw the line when people get directly hurt? What if the author is dead? What if the media is collaborative, do we dismiss every media where a director turns out to be a horrible person? And in this particular case we are talking about a fictional world that we consumed media of since we were little and while it's true that supporting Harry Potter means supporting someone in trying to take rights away... it's hard to let go of something that people got comfort in, resonated with and connected with. The bigger the part it plays or played in one's life the harder it is to let go. For me personally it's been hard to reconcile it, as this world was a big part of me growing up. And even though it have me good memories that I won't forget a lot of it has soured now. And since this is not a typical case in many aspects, while I would agree with drawing the line here, personally, I find it hard to put a moral judgement on the ones engaging with it, as I don't think many people are doing so in endorsement of Rowling's actions. That's not to say that this isn't a problem because it is and I'm also not saying that your feelings on this matter don't matter either. I just don't think that it's possible for everyone to undo the impact the world had on their lives and them not letting go makes all of them had people
This is what gets me, too. This whole group of people going "but it's so fooooooooormative!" Guys. This is the fictional equivalent of sucking your thumb. Yes, you did it as a child. No, you probably shouldn't do it as an adult. And if you're prioritizing your own childhood memories over actual alive people (who, also, have childhood memories), there is something wrong with you. There's having fond attachments to childhood things and there's unhealthy attachment disorders.
The only Harry Potter thing that I don't want to be affected negatively is the upcoming Harry Potter console game. Of course supporting it will means more money for her, but I pity the people who works hard on that game. It likely barely has any writing input from her too.
@@CTheng "One of the people working on the game stressed that Rowling has very little direct involvement." This is a selling point now. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-29/harry-potter-game-developers-rattled-by-j-k-rowling-backlash
@@CTheng well, I understand your point. I dont like video games at all so probably I'd never bought it anyway, but I know they required a lot of work, a lot of poorly paid work indeed. However the Joanne needs to understand that certain actions lead to certain consequences, and I would love some creators actually complaining with her about the things she says damaging their products and sells.
It has been interesting to follow people’s reaction to Rowling’s tweet. For example, in Finland, some people touring around flea markets, second-hand stores and libraries buy Rowling's literary production off. I don’t know what they’re going to do with these books or what they want, but libraries have refused to sell these books to them.
I think at some point, we need to look at our 'relationship' as fans with the creators of our favorite works. As a society, we shouldn't be putting people up on such a pedestal because things like this will invariably happen. This goes for all mediums. Not to say we shouldn't still admire someone's work, but blind devotion to someone for the sole reason that they created something that means a lot to you is unhealthy.
People have too much of a fascination on celebrities even b tier ones, in general. This idolatry is very toxic behavior I feel. If you don't know them personally, I feel it's just weird to blindly extol someone's virtues without really knowing them.
That's true, but I think creators should aspire to be worthy of devotion as well. They should think, "I'm gaining a lot of respect, so I should do my best to be a good person on top of that" Even if that means having to hold back on stating certain inherently toxic viewpoints.
I love that Stephen King was blocked by J.K. Rowling when he called her out on Twitter. --------------------------------------------- EDIT (because some of you are pedantic as fuck and I apparently oversimplified matters): OK. King didn't "call her out" so much as he posted a pro-Trans tweet that led to a chain of events that caused J.K. Rowling (who has frequently been accused of being transphobic) to reportedly unfollow & block him on Twitter early last week (multiple news outlets reported this on June 29th & 30th - a quick Twitter search will get you the same info). --------------------------------------------- J.K. has apparently taken a step back in recent days, but DID in fact delete a tweet praising Maine's claim to fame. Dear lordy, some of you are exhausting.
He didn't even call her out, someone commented what was basically 'if you're not a transphobe say trans women are women' and he agreed and wrote it. He literally said something affirming to trans people in a comment thread and she blocked him for it.
I’m a nonbinary person who grew up on HP and I feel very conflicted about the books and JKR in general even before she outed herself as a full fledged TERF. There are a lot of issues with the characters and what she’s said about them, Cho Chang, Dumbledore, the recasting of Lavender Brown. I have found friendship and great love and support in the corner of the fandom that I don’t think I can let go of. But I don’t plan to put any more money into her pockets. Those books and movies were there for me through some of the hardest times in my life. Learning the truth of her character and realizing things about the text and films that I didn’t notice or understand as a child is heartbreaking and feels like a betrayal, even though she’s been this way the entire goddamn time.
"It's weird how creators who preach love and acceptance, are themselves not loving nor accepting." It's because those creators only have to say it in the confines of fiction. Their version of the "different and opporessed" don't get to talk back. Anti-choice/forced birthers also have this same mentality. That's why you never see them taking care of orphans or impoverished children. Fetuses don't talk back.
I had the same confusion about Orson Scott Card. Couldn’t understand how someone with such shitty views could write a story of such acceptance with Speaker for the Dead
He's Mormon. They can be some of the nicest people to everyone they meet, but actually believe that gay people are sinning by being gay, even though they justify it by bleeting "love the sinner hate the sin."
If you ever read the enders shadow series his bigotry becomes a lot more clear. In one of the books there is a character who literally forced himself to get married to a woman because he thought heterosexual marrige is the only way to happiness.
@@cractor6307 he somthing many years ago along the lines that Gays should have their equal rights but not under the name of marrige as that is holy matrimony under god and god views homosexuality as a sin ( i guess he would prefer some life partner type thing. he does have a gay best friend and writes gay characters in his books so its not like the guy is evil, hes just very religious). I still like Sanderson and buy his books. He dosen't come across as a bad or hateful guy in how he holds his views he just suscribes to the religion his parents brought him up in. I have had many mormon friends in the past with similar views and they are some of the nicest, most understanding people in the world even to gay/trans people and atheists. If anything they fear for their friends souls and the eternal damnation they could experience for their sin or lack of faith. I don't agree with his views but I don't hate the guy. I buy his book for his acclaimed writing not his religion or politics.
I despise when it's a creator in fantasy and/or science fiction especially who doesn't use their supposed imagination and empathy to overcome ingrained bigotry or try to learn from some members of their audience and in fact uses their platform to hurt those who are especially fragile in their senses of self, i.e, the young and/or those dealing with their own identity.
As I sit here thinking "I'm game. Let's Boycott", I talked back to the screen saying, "well yeah, she's talking proudly now because she has the power/money/influence/backing to do so..." - AND THEN IT STRUCK ME - that video of yours on the last season of GoT and the quote about how "power reveals". This is what's happening. Power didn't corrupt her, she was always this way, it's just a safe time for her to show her true self.
phiferbb10tmjagP the series is not even complete and already in dire need of rebooting...but tbh, I just want Joanne to keep writing and burning the whole thing to the ground via her atrocious screenwriting ability!
🤣🤣 ikr? Poor Fantastic Beasts movies lol They've faced so much controversy already that I genuinely feel bad for the series. It's like everyone is out to destroy the movies and by everyone I mean their own people lmao
I was definitely a Harry Potter kid. I read all the books and collected the wands. My personal stance is to not give JKR more money. Every time you buy some officially licensed thing that says “Harry Potter” on it, she sees some of that cash. I’m certainly not going to sell my wands or books. I just won’t buy more.
coming to this video 2 years later and the line we the us are less terfy about trans people made me cringe alittle as a transfemale cause this country is fast becoming way dangerous for us
@Hravity well, anything can be morally analysed. Think it this way: you can apply it to Nietzsche and Heidegger and be fine now, be very wrong in 1932 and be VERY VERY wrong in 1943 (in different ways and for different reasons, but also.. let's start to stan Husserl). You can also be Elisabeth Nietzsche, and be a veeeeeeeeeeery bad user of this category. Just saying: Plato is right in Phaedrus (also, Roland Barth), but acting like the author is dead when it is pretty much alive via her actions? That is morally wrong when the author is doing wrong.
@@chiarasulis3575 It means that "Death of the Author" is a form of literary analysis which divorces the text from the author (unlike the regular literary analysis which interprets the text by looking at the author's life and times) and interprets the text only from within itself.
@@chiarasulis3575 Nietzsche's philosophy is hardcore individualism no matter how you interpret it and no matter how dead the author is. Understanding it as a motivation for organized violence (or organized _anything_) was _never_ a legitimate reading of his texts. Elisabeth Nietzsche wasn't wrong in applying Death of the Author, she was wrong in completely misunderstanding the whole, evident point of his texts.
2:22 I'm just gonna thank you for saying that, because I was having a bit of an issue; Harry Potter isn't something I can just put away, and it made me mad that I was feeling guilty for that when Ender's Game is taught in schools. You just made my day.
I just discovered the concept of "death of thr author" with your video, and it actually helps me a lot to deal with the dilemma. Thanks a lot! (the Omegaverse story got me here, I'm happy to subscribe to such great content)
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Pee is stored in the balls.
why are you like this
David Why are you like this?
The real hot take is always in the comments.
As *someone* would say " it depends on what you mean by pee"..
BUT LINDSAY YOU'RE NOT GIVING THE BALLS THE RIGHT OF *FREE SPEECH* ..
"I don't like to talk about my personal feelings because I like to pretend I don't have any" damn ain't that a mood
I was like "Same." when I heard that XD
"Tolkien's not on Twitter"
Let's be honest, he COULDN'T be on Twitter if he was still alive. Every tweet of his would end with "1/315".
Given Tolkien's very conservative views, He would definitely shutdown the SamFro shippers real quick ,and hunt after fanfic writers , thats for sure.
Could somebody explain to me why she referenced Tolkien? Was he a bigot?
@@allie6160 There's so much to unpack with Tolkien I'm pretty sure she covered most of it in a separate video somewhere.
Tolkien pretty awesomely once told off a racist publisher who was asking if he had “Aryan heritage”, but there’s some other stuff in his letters that’s more typical of his generations views. Suffice it to say, it’s probably for the best that he’s not around to use Twitter, but hey, maybe he would pleasantly surprise us.
@@allie6160 how anyone who faught the nazis and risked his life for your very right to exist can even be considered a "(insert modern insult)" is laughable and downright insulting
The part where Lindsay predicts that her social circle will become more insular and that she'll be love bombed by the far right is now more relevant than ever.
This has aged flawlessly honestly. This could have come out last week and felt entirely about whats happening right now exactly. Fully comprehended the scope of the ethics and consequences of the situation.
@@georgecrumb8442 I want to respond to this, but so much of it is incomprehensible gibberish that it's hard to know what to say. For the record I don't advocate 'canceling' JK Rowling, I don't think there's any point, she's a billionaire, it doesn't really have any effect. What I do believe in is condemning her views so that ordinary people can see why she's wrong and why her agenda doesn't derserve a seat in the theatre of debate. Also there's a false equivalency here: Lindsay got bullied off of KRplus for comparing Raya to Avatar, which is not a hateful position even if she's wrong. JK has offered to bankroll the legal fees of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, a far-right activist who lets nazis attend her rallies. I feel like we should be allowed to treat her with some measure of scorn.
Increasingly so, and yet there are still people who are shocked when something new she does reaches the mainstream awareness. None of it should come as a surprise by now.
JK: Daniel! Tell people I'm not transphobic
Daniel: Sorry JK, I must not tell lies.
I like how in this metaphor, Rowling is Umbridge. It feels correct
@@willieuam3440 so he should kiss her ass and support opinions he doesn't agree with because that was his breakout role? That's not how the world works and he really doesn't owe her anything.
People made the same argument about the Weinstein victims.
@Sandy Jones I know right? Yet those transphobes keep insisting that trans men aren't men.
That moment when you want to turn "Death of the Author" into "Murdering the Author"
@@vee1193 that's a lot of words to say "I'm an ugly transphobe"
Calling JK Rowling “Joanne” is the funniest thing in the world to me.
Okay, now that I have one of the top comments, I’d just like to say that for any people that don’t want to deal with bigots today, maybe don’t read these comments. I think the REALLY shitty ones are gone, but there were a bunch of weird TERFy comments with a bunch of likes a while ago. No one needs to deal with that shit.
For now when JK Rowling response with more TERF bullshit, lets just reply with, "Ok Joanne!"
JOann Rowling is getting a wonderful painting courtesy of me, her and some of her TERF friends taking it easy in a communal roman semen bath. I'd past a link to the twitter thread here ,but that's advertising. Just know, it's real and its almost done.
calling rowling joanne is like calling voldemort tom
I do it all the time lol
Joanne Karen Rowling
I just love how Rowling tweeted praise for Stephen King and then promptly, like within a day, deleted those tweets when he made a statement supporting trans people.
yeah was some funny shit
@Die Tägliche Dröhnung Internet The fact that you say something doesn't make it true.
It didn't really happen like that though did it....
Edoc
She’s actively bullying and questioning a community for their lifestyle. Saying that only biological sex is real and seems to very adamantly want to prove that, since she recently talked about whistleblowing in the NHS and how she wants to create a huge medical scandal.
She’s taking this too far.
@jackaljade jackaljade If it truly bothers you, start a discussion about the video on a forum they do not moderate. Regardless, discussion specifically about trans people is not what this video is about. The video is discussing how to interact with the Harry Potter series, specifically if Rowling's views do bother you and you are not comfortable just ignoring them and separating the art from the artist. Finally, this is her channel, if she does not want to allow comments that may insult, degrade, or make any of her viewers uncomfortable, it is her right. This is her professional home, and she can kick you out of her house if she doesn't like the way you talk about things.
"You are trying to find an academic solution for an emotional and ethical problem." This is such a brilliant video, and I just wanted you to know that *that sentence* is the point where I decided you were my new favourite cultural commentator.
It's certainly an interesting take. It made me really think about this issue. Love these hot takes
this line goes for so many things that are being Discoursed (tm) in general
Another great quote of hers (from the "Bright" video) is "you cannot logic someone out of a mindset they didn't logic themselves in", or something like that. Either way, it's a brilliant quote.
YES IT IS PERFECT
Learning Orson Scott Card was a homophobe actually made a ton of sense for me, because we read Ender's Game in my seventh-grade English class at an Evangelical middle school, and I was always mystified by how something so cool managed to end up on the curriculum
It was one of my all time favorites in middle school (wasn't on any reading list, I just happened to read it). The gutpunch I felt from the twist at the end of Ender's Game did happen to mirror the gutpunch of finding out he was a peace of human garbage in a depressingly ironic sort of way. Rowling's coming out as a bigot mostly just gives me anxiety because she's elevating really harmful ideas at a pivotal turning point.
Its probably because he's mormon, which arguably adds an extra layer to the issues with purchasing his work. It's likely that a chunk of your purchase will go into tithing, putting money into the churches pocket...
The best part of this will always be the line; "I can't believe Rowling's Patronus is Maggie Thatcher."
Well that line certainly brightened my day.
That's pure gold.
Hoping any Potter fans over the age of 19 to realise that Rowling's work was always very right wing and traditional conservative Brit. None of her personal beliefs are that surprising
@@arlostein1000 Yeah, but that always read like a bit of harmless patriotism. Not that that's strictly 'harmless', I know, but there is a world of difference between realising that Harry Potter is suspiciously keen to evoke a rosey-tinted, nostalgic idea of British culture that wouldn't be out of place under Churchill, and loudly proclaiming - rationalising - right wing extremism (ala Churchill).
I suppose my opinion is influenced by the factor of growing up with Harry Potter after emigrating, so as a child, nostalgia about the "idea of England" was innocent, not strange and insidious, but still.
@@arlostein1000 I was 18 or 19 when Half-Blood Prince was released, and it was in reading that book that the traditional values became an obvious pattern: No couples in the series had children out of wedlock, and the majority of marriages were based in mutual love and respect. The only exceptions were Voldemort's and Snape's respective parents, and the exclusions were part of the narrative to explain why both were so drawn to the Dark Arts.
I agree that her beliefs aren't surprising. Perhaps fans feel more betrayed to find that someone who wrote such influential books espousing the power of love, accepting outsiders, and reaching across the barriers of bigotry is not practicing what she preached.
“my formative fav author is problematic and I am having trouble reconciling that”
*laugh/cries in HP Lovecraft fan*
That actually helped me a lot with this.
To be fair the fact that he is dead for a LONG TIME helps a lot. Also the fact that there are some pretty good fanfiction with his lore made by non assholes is good too
I expect you've already seen hbomberguy's Lovecraft video, but if you haven't then OMG go watch it!
He's been dead for 80 years and he's not on twitter.
And I was wondering when someone was gonna bring up Lovecraft. I love his world, his fantasy. And i took a hard swallow to say i read majority of his work. But pretty much done. I would recommend some but HARD PASS on The Rats in the Walls. Guy is disgusting...end of conversation.
"It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be."
-Albus Flippin' Dumbledore, Goblet of Fire
@@QarthCEO If you have to resort to that for an argument then you really don't have a leg to stand on lmao.
@@QarthCEO race is intrinsically tied to culture which shaped your beliefs, language, values and traditions, both consciousness and subconscious.
Sex is only simple at highschool level education, gender was added to the scientific lexicon to differenciate biological sex from lived experience and personal traits that society associated with one specific sex, and was added to identify that while sex and gender traditionally correlate thry csn also be very different.
Along with that, she literally created a story where children are sorted into strict groups, and one of the defining things about the main character is that he chose for himself which group to be sorted into. Whether or not she intended to, she made an allegory for being a young person exploring gender identity in her own damn book series.
@@CaitieLou that's what most suprised me about all this shit. there are so many allegories that could be used to represent lgbt and make trans kids feel that they are not abominations and then she goes and shit through her mouth.. go figure
"It is our choices... that determine who we are."
It's so funny that a few months ago we were at this point where we were still saying things like "I don't think JK Rowling believes she's transphobic", and now she's promoting merch stores that sell mugs that say "Proud Transphobe" lol
She is? WTF?!?!
@@TheEwqua Yep Yep. She had posted a link to some sort of merch, which is fairly normal, but if you went to the rest of the website you could find pins saying shit like 'Transmen are my sisters'
@@julianasilva6946 trans men are men. Men usually prefer being called brothers. it becomes especially important for trans people since their gender identity is already being questioned. Donkey Kong says trans rights
This kind of stuff shouldn’t exist. Products that promote hate or bigotry shouldn’t be allowed at all.
@@julianasilva6946 How about this, dicknozzle, you explain WHY it's wrong or irrelevant. You're a nobody rando on KRplus, what crackhead universe do you live in where you think you can just Decide what is or isn't wrong or relevant by fiat?
In the words of Daniel Radcliffe:
"If these books have taught you that love is the most powerful force in the universe, capable of overcoming everything; if they have taught you that strength is found in diversity and that dogmatic ideals of purity lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a specific character is trans, non binary, of fluid gender, gay or bisexual; if you found something in those stories that reached you and helped you at some point in your lives ... then that is something between you and the book you read, and it is sacred. And, in my opinion, no one can touch that. It means whatever it means to you, and I hope these comments don't taint you too much."
That was ridiculously meaningful to me
It's all settled then. Powerful words.
My Harry Potter has spoken
Exactly. The lessons taught can’t be taken from you and are the exact thing that are showing us this is wrong
I was about to comment that the most wholesomely funny response I've seen to all of this was someone Tweeting basically "Now that we know JKR is terrible can we just collectively agree that Daniel Radcliffe wrote Harry Potter?". I can't in good conscious give JKR my money anymore, but I can and do still love HP for so many reasons, not least of which is how powerful its message about the strength of love is. And I'm so grateful that at least some of the people involved with it still see that, recognize how important it is, and realize that siding with bigots is in direct opposition with that.
I never got into Twitter, doesn't seem like I'm missing much. Every time something happens there feels like you fell in a pile of garbage.
I agree with this comment so much i wish i could like it twice.
If you've ever been to the local city dump, that's basically Twitter, except with more culture because the guys working at the dump might talk about clerks or something
stay out of it. every statement made by a celebrity is guaranteed to trigger people on twitter.
I second this sentiment
It is the death star trash compactor of social media
I think the really interesting thing about these cases is that the author's personal beliefs and actions seem to contradict the values instilled by their works...but it's all the same person producing both seemingly hypocritical ideas. It's a good jumping off point to reflecting on how we might think we stand for one thing and end up standing for something else entirely.
Honestly, it highlights how much we, as readers, bring into the stories ourselves. I recently had a conversation with someone about the SPEW plotline in book 4. They insisted that the book came down very heavily in rejecting house elf slavery and their only criticism was that they felt that house elves should have been freed in the epilogue. My point was that the book itself leaves GAPING holes in its morality and lets the reader fill in: I read the book for the first time as an adult, right after I had first really started to care about social issues and effective activism.
When I read it for the first time, I felt that Harry's largely ambivalent attitude toward the question was inviting the reader to sympathize with the status quo and, even if sympathetic toward Hermione's view, conclude that at minimum she was going about things in the wrong way and isn't that worse than doing nothing at all? I came away feeling that it was an uncomfortable attempt to tie up an uncomfortable loose end introduced in previous books.
By having Harry largely avoid having an opinion and by having Harry's two best friends argue opposite sides, it invites the reader to project a very wide variety of meanings onto the story, allowing a wider audience to feel affirmed by the book.
Kids largely want to like stories and want to like people in stories, and so leaving those holes open makes it really easy for kids to just assume the books had more to say than they actually did. As another example, see the lip service given against blood purity vs the plot's continual hammering of the importance of characters' parents and birth circumstances to their innate morality.
@@lerualnaej5917 A really good example of this is "Ratatouille", most people and even myself watched the movie and got out of it the message that "stealing is bad, unless it's necessary". But rewatching it, I realised how much the movie was against all kinds of stealing even to the point where Remy went without food for probably days.
"The Squad" on youtube has a really great analysis of it, called "Capitalism, Poverty, and Ratatouille" if you want to check it out.
@@username45739 I'm gonna regret this but what's "SB"?
and yet you wouldnt be able to respond to a single individual point she has ever made about this topic. what an amazing feminist
I know this comment was from 2 yrs ago, but so much truth here. To me, if an author’s work directly contradicts their own beliefs, it rings very hollow. Harry Potter, in my childhood, used to have great messages about the horrors of bigotry, but while the books themselves were exceptional - the true messages of it, the subtext, feels very meaningless now that the author herself is revealed to be a bigot.
*Death of the author* "I'm not dead yet!"
Monty Python jokes aside, one of the hardest things to do can be to give yourself permission to out grow someone who helped you grow.
that's beautiful
We say that, but then what about the unfortunate case of far-right extremists appropriating and glorifying films that are satirizing things like Nazis or bigotry (ala Archie Bunker), but those audiences take it and praise and identify it. Aren't they missing the point? Or is it valid, because "Death of the Author"?
Wow. That hit home. Felt something there anyway. Meaning of the phrase something clicked I suppose.
So you're saying the Harry Potter franchise is Rowling's horcrux
7 books, dude.
That is the reason she wrote 7 books
She made seven books and killed so many people in them. COINCIDENCE?
LMAO XD
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"Tolkien has been dead for 50 years, he's not on Twitter"
As a huge Tolkien fan, now to think about it, I'm really thankful he is
I don't even think he'd be into Twitter. He'd just be busy inventing new languages.
C.S Lewis would be in the same boat, especially in me too movement.
In the original series, he was really sexist about women. It was a sign of the times, I'm just being fair. The 1940s didn't have women in wars publicly, but I doubt he'd change much since then.
Imagine Lovecraft on twitter...
@@SaraNightfire1 As someone who read all of theirs works I must disagree. If they were in our times, they wouldn't be who they were. Lewis had his issues,but he was open-minded. He questioned himself and his beliefs.I truly doubt he would tolerate his own ignorance.
@@damesayo4656 Tolkien and Lewis would both 100% be right-wing, and there's nothing wrong with that lol. If you've truly read all their works you would know that.
"Dobby didn't mean death of the author. Dobby only meant the maiming or seriously injuring of the author." 🤣🤣🤣
Lovecraft fans: Oh, my sweet, summer child.
Oh dear, you just had to remind me :D But hey, in his defense: He died young, and towards the end of his life, his stories and massive amounts of personal letters started to imply a change in attitude. He seemed to be realizing the error of his prejudicial views and might have corrected them, given a chance to live them through. He also married a Jew, which isn't mentioned too often, and their relationship seemed to value ones personal qualities over their background. I try to think he had hope, although his early stories are hilariously racist, and even the later ones are at least somewhat so.
James Hutchings afraid to ask but what about lovecraft?
@@Felyx90 HP Lovecraft was a crazy racist, even by the standards of his time.
@@goodlookingcorpse yikes!
@@Felyx90
In fact, it is widely rumored that one of his most famous stories, "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", was inspired in-part by Lovecraft discovering that he was part Welsh (and reluctantly accepting it) and/or his own fears of interracial marriages...
The basic premise involves an old fishing town that is routinely visited by a race of mermen called the Deep Ones, resembling the creature in Guillermo Del Toro's "The Shape of Water". The village of Innsmouth is basically run by a cult, which raises hybrid offspring between humans and the Deep Ones as part of a pact. At a young age, the hybrids look and act like regular people, so they grow up in the village as everyone else, until their merman traits finally manifest in adulthood and they leave to join the Deep Ones at the bottom of the ocean. The protagonist discovers the village's secret, escapes from Innsmouth, and manages to alert the authorities who come in to capture/exterminate the Deep Ones there. But when the story ends, he discovers traces of the Deep Ones within his own bloodline and starts to transform. After briefly considering suicide, the protagonist decides to embrace his new form and dives into the sea.
So yeah, the claim that Lovecraft would come up with an unusual story like that, just so he can liken it to marriages between people of differing ethnicities, demonstrates Lovecraft's reputation as a seriously disturbed racist. At the same time, I heard that people have enjoyed reading "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" as its own story and could easily divorce it from the author's original intent, to the point where it inspired the Fishing Hamlet DLC level in FromSoftware's video game, "Bloodborne".
"Tolkien has been dead for 50 years. He's not on Twitter."
I agree with that first part at least
@@ctrouble2309 you disagree that he's not on Twitter?
@@nath7557 Ghost Tolkien out here making BTS fancams
Also, didn't he pretty much say fuck you to the nazi party for refusing to alter his books for release approval in nazi germany?
@@nath7557 Not even the dead can know mercy from twitter.
Rowling pretending that Polyjuice potion wouldn’t be used nonstop for gender stuff in the Potter world
Well, that's _magic,_ that's OK! Doing the same thing the hard way, Muggle-style, is what seems to upset her. She's a secret Slytherin! And a Death Eater at that! Hates the Mudbloods. she does!
So, an interesting idea I am in no way qualified to implement-
Harry Potter fan-fiction with trans characters. Like make that one wizardess who does all that shapeshifting amab (if that’s not an offensive idea- please correct this notion if you’re a trans person who would find it so), maybe use her and a character that would be less “passing” to explore some of the differences within the trans community- or really any number of ideas that, as a mostly cis person, I have no experience with or understanding of.
It seems generally odd that wizards would not develop physical augmentation spells and start warping their bodies into any shape desired.
Like, you're a powerful wizard. Why the heck don't you look like Geralt of Rivia or Fabio, or have a 30" horse dong? You know, the kinda vain stuff people would immediately gun for, given the chance.
But we don't even see so much as magical beauty effects or cosmetic illusions.
You just know at a magic school they'd have to outrule radiance effects because the girls would overdo it and blind other students.
@@MrHodoAstartes literally what Tonks did!!! Lol
@@coricoo_247
But that is unnecessarily shoved into a rare congenital trait as a post-hoc explanation as to why that would be anything but the norm.
Witcher probably is being more realistic with a cabal of vain casters who create pompous appearances for themselves.
One of the reasons I am so for Eddie Redmayne is because he spoke out against JK before the movies / books were finished. Which I think is even more courageous than the others. Although I am incredibly grateful to them (Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson) for speaking out on this issue... But you have to admit it is easier to rebel against a former boss vs a current boss. 🤷🏼♀️
I mean, they were kids when they were in it. And her TERF-ery hadn't really come out back then.
@@elbruces i don’t think he was implying they should have rebelled against earlier, just that he deserves more praise in doing so since he’s working for her.
I mean she was also never their boss, not like she wrote or directed the films
I didn't know that! What did he say?
@@lemonwhxre She wrote all the films
The fact that orson scott Card has written homophobic and transphobic propaganda and also wrote about understanding Ramen (aliens we recognize as people) is so baffling to me
Ender Wiggins I know when I first read OSC without knowing anything about him as a person, I genuinely assumed he was gay. The dislocation between his writing and his personal views is really mindbending.
flootzavut Same lol
How is he homophobic? Just because someone has a different opinion does not make them a homophobe.
@@genghiskhan7691 The dude literally donates money to gay conversion therapy groups and has talked about how he wishes being gay was illegal.
@@genghiskhan7691 if the opinion is homophobic, they are.
To quote Daniel Radcliffe:
If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything;
if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual;
if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life - then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that.
It means to you what it means to you.
I just love him for saying that. 💖 True hero
i think that is an excellent take on "death of the author" - it's a great quote on it.
These books taught me that enforcing and maintaining the awful status quo of your society is good as long as you aren't a literal Nazi.
Remember when Hermione was like "hey guys slave labour is bad" and everyone was like "pfft shut up Hermione, they enjoy it".
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@@BrowncoatAllywang And then the fandom got angry SPEW was cut out of the movies, like guys be critical a second. Thankfully now we can drag the books for all their flaws without as many people upping their arms.
JKR makes me all the more grateful for Megan Whalen Turner, an author who's motto is "not telling". You get what's in the text of her (excellent) books, and nothing more. I saw a talk she gave a few years ago where she mentioned WHY she has this attitude. Her first book was published right around when the internet was beginning to really grow, and she saw that readers would congregate online to discuss books, including hers. They had all of these great discussions about what certain things meant or what these characters thought...and she realized that as an author, as soon as she stepped in to explain something, that conversation thread stopped. So, speculation is up to the readers, and she stays out of it as a way to help that conversation flourish.
I think that makes so much more sense than Rowlings approach
Lost Alone weren’t they both married in the epilogue of the last book?
I mean if that’s your head canon that’s cool. But for a sec I though you meant just cursed child and retcon weirdness.
It's the whole thing about art, once the final stroke of the brush has been done, it transcends the artist, and it becomes many things to many people. Often people see things in the art that the artist never intended, or created subtext where none existed.
I hated the Star Wars Special Editions for the very reason that something I loved, and things that had meaning were changed. It was like Da Vinci raising from the dead and deciding the Mona Lisa needed some changes and suddenly the painting was no longer what you fell in love with, it's something new and perhaps even entirely different.
Anduril - It’s funny that you mention Da Vinci and the Mona Lisa specifically, as scholars believe da Vinci took the painting with him wherever he went, constantly working on it and changing it, right up until his death. It’s likely he may have even considered the painting unfinished still when he physically couldn’t continue working on it due to illness.
Oohhh that's nice
to the harry potter fans who need a new book series about magic and wizard schools, i recommend the Earthsea series by Ursula K. LeGuin, it's super underrated, has amazing world building, and POC protagonists
Bumping your comment.
Love EarthSea!!!
Or read the vast amounts of HP fanworks if they really, really want HP stuff. I haven't read the actual books in years due to fanworks being, in some cases, better.
Oh
Imagine an author who writes a whole fantasy world that isn't steeped in bigotry. Imagine Ursula K. LeGuin, imagine Tamara Pierce, imagine Rick Riordan, imagine Mercedes Lackey (although she has some...questionable portrayals), imagine Andre Norton.
"i'm gonna pop-off a hot take...without thinking about it for 6 months" i feel this on a spiritual level.
I'd love to get more "hot take" videos in between the essays
Same
Yes! Seems less demanding and just as interesting
Same here
Yeah, it seems like an easier way to keep engagement up between long, challenging videos.
I think the problem with “hot takes” is it’s often reacting in the moment and there may be more facts or nuances that are still to come to light. Lindsay’s “brand” if you want to call it that is deeply researched, examining context and nuance, insightful, while also being entertaining and easy to digest.
Plot Twist: Cornelius Fudge was JK’s real self insert character all along
Either Cornelius Fudge or Gilderoy Lockhart.
Im crying lmao
Top ten anime plot twists
Dolores Umbridge seems more like JK Rowling’s self insert.
@@Emplordxiii She put herself all over every villain and self-obsessed antagonist, let's be real.
The whole point of "you can't consume content without financially supporting the author" implies that piracy doesn't exist. I don't see how that's true.
Or just previous ownership. Like, burning your books isn't going to phase the cash she already got. Best thing you could do if owning them is just too much for someone would be to donate them so they'll be resold and she doesn't get a dime.
Piracy: it's a moral obligation.
The argument is that even if you pirate something you're still giving the creator attention and raising their profile. And you're probably not going to be careful about talking about it to other people, right? So if you like the work, and you say so to anyone, you're raising the chance of that person seeking it out. Even disliking it could motivate someone to see for themselves.
Even if you say nothing, a high amount of piracy is pretty headline-grabbing. Like if I told you that World of Goo is one of the most pirated games of all time, you'd be curious to know what made it so desirable, yeah?
@@ShadowSumac So... why are you here?
It's kind of like some of the arguments you hear in the vegan community about already-owned fur and leather products. Some people say it's best to keep and use the products or give them away to someone who will since you've already bought them, and they already exist, and just chucking them out would be wasteful. Some people say that wearing them still contributes to normalising the idea that fur and leather are acceptable/desirable materials for those products, still supporting the industries not necessarily financially, but like, implicitly and socially. If you're giving positive attention to her works, then you're supporting JKR at least in concept if not directly. Still maintaining her popularity, which still gives her reach and ends up with her getting more money
The reason this is so hard to reconcile is that she wrote "It is our choices, Harry, which show what we are far more than our abilities" and then rocked up two decades later with "gender is stored in the chromosomes"
"It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be"
@@ShadowSumac shut the fuck up terf
If you read more into how she portrays gender in the HP series, it becomes obvious she would end up here with just the tiniest of pushes.
Want to hear something beyond fucking ironic? Remember Moaning Mythle? How she kept checking out Harry in the bathroom? Invaded his space? That wasn't portrayed as sexual harassment or weird at all, no, it was coy and risqué, a girl with a crush. The audacity of that bitch is something else.
@@Elena-gj6ow
JKR also has no issue with love potions. Which are kinda date rape drugs. To her they're humorous and Fred and George sell them.
@@l.n.3372 Yep. We're also supposed to feel sympathy for Merope Gaunt, who raped Tom Riddle(Senior)by using a love potion on him to conceive Tom Junior. If it was reversed(a man drugging a rich girl and doing this), everyone in the world would be up in arms. It's never mentioned again and I'm like "Ummm...no. Go back and think about someone else for once!"
"Tolkien has been dead for 50 years and isn't on Twitter," might be one of my favorite things you've said. It's also true.
Waiting for an @CorpseOfTolkein twitter to pop up and start spitting hot takes
I think it would be just full of Legolas pictures and discribtions of how awesome he is
@@awfulwoman It would be mostly long tweetstorms about Elvish etymology.
SamFro shippers would be DECEASED if Tolkien got a twitter
What was problematic about Tolkien?
*Looks at Harry Potter books on shelves bought over ten years ago*
*Has no interest in Rowling's new content*
LOOPHOLE FOUND
Or just get them at yard sales
or public library, I know mine has had their Harry potter books for years
@@mollie-wankenobi8655 Authors actually get a royalty when you take their books out of the library. Think of it as Boomer Kindle.
@@IncredibleGoliath the secret to that is spending 4-5 hours sitting in the library reading through a whole book at once without checking it out. On a more serious note, I didn't actually know that, huh
@@sulfurcarbide7039 I believe their story is just about reading a book without checking it out. I've done that too, like when Kroger used to have the book section next to the pharmacy, I'd just read the books and put them back.
Two years on, her influence and money is seeing actual legislation in Scotland that was supposed to help trans individuals overruled by the English Parliament. She CANNOT be separated.
Is it weird that this keeps being VERY relevant?
Sadly, no. I wish it wasn't
@@Nadia1989 Why do you wish against it? Only through these high profile cancels does the Radical Left movement get press attention. Especially with the Biden campaign and moderate Democrat voters showing excessive signs that they'll abandon far Left causes if it means they can win against Trump, we need these massive cancels more than ever.
I fucking wish she was canceled. But sadly, upper-class white people don't get canceled by the left. Now on the other hand, the right has proven very capable of canceling said people
@@sierra3052 lol you're mixing up the left with the right. What you described the left were doing, the right-wingers do that. The left mostly cancel upper-class white people.
@@genghiskhan7691 I'm really not lol
As I am watching this, there is a tweet going around that essentially says that prior to JK Rowling, female authors were unheard of. People are just responding with lists of famous female authors ie. Agatha Christie. Bronte sisters ect.
Well thank God people are educating that person. It's pretty disrespectful to ignore the work of a bunch of women before Rowling, especially considering one of them started the sci-fi genre.
*facepalm* Women literally invented novel-writing.
Who’s Mary Shelley? Never heard of her she came before Rowling
JANE!!!!!!
(Austen if you hadn't guessed it)
dianna wynne jones was writing incredible childrens fantasy books before jk rowling even came on the scene, and as far as i know she's not a terf.
No other author is more financially connected to their "brand" than Rowling.
That's why it's insane no PR manager has just told her to STOP TWEETING.
This franchise is worth billions and employs countless people.
Maybe they have. What are they gonna do? Fire her?
@@TheSorrel Yeah, for good or ill, once you're as rich as she is you don't have to care what anyone else thinks.
It’s difficult because she’s already made billions so she could get cancelled and cut off from the franchise and she’d still be better off than 99.9% of the population
@@TheSorrel I have to assume there's a Harry Potter PR manager knocking back whiskey in a pub every time she tweets, looking at their phone and sighing deeply.
There’s a small independent (owned by one couple) Harry Potter merch store in a small town not far from me. It’s a lovely place, in a lovely, very picturesque town, with a lovely cafe next door. It’s all very lovely, including the owners, who are very nice people.
I feel bad for them.
You're spot-on about her; all the predictions you made about her publicly getting more comfortable with figures further and further into alt-right ideology. It's almost uncanny.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360she's not a feminist. She's a terf. There's a difference. Feminists want equality for everyone. Terfs want equality only for cis (women/) people. Also trans people know what a woman is. Why else would trans women transition to one? Why else would trans men & non binary people know that they aren't one?
Fact is that science is on our side, not yours. Sex doesn't equal gender. There are multiple studies on how transitioning helps save lives. Every major scientific organisation is for access to trans healthcare.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 She is anything but. If she is hanging out with a bunch of alt right anti-feminists, she is an alt right anti-feminist. Not to mention supporting taking away peoples rights makes you wonder if she actually learned any of the lessons placed in her books? How long until she turns on her own again?
The main cognitive dissonance that I have with JK Rowling is that her stance on transgender people goes against the moral lessons that many people found in her books.
Ask any HP fan, and they will probably tell you that the whole Pureblood plotline was a thinny veiled criticism of racism, and it taught the fans to be inclusive and open-minded, and not just towards people of different races but all sorts of marginalized groups.
It would be like... being a fan of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood as a child, applying the lessons you learned to be a better person, and then growing up to learn that Mr. Rogers treats some people like crap.
You are stuck holding a moral opinion that you learned from a creator and then discovering that creator doesn't even believe in that moral opinion that you learned from them.
It is very distressing, because HP pushed me to the left-wing as a pre-teen and teenager because I applied the moral lessons to everyone, not just against racism.
It's hard to explain. HP was formative to me, just far more then the author might have intended.
Was Harry Potter against racism? She has antisemitic caricatures and pro slavery arguments in her books. None of the wizarding race superiority plot lines are resolved. Things just stay the same.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 It was Ron who mocked Hermione’s anti-slavery activism. Ron was by far the dimmest of the 3 main protagonists in HP. Take that for what it is worth.
@@walruswasrob multiple characters mock her and talk about how the elves just wouldn’t be happy if they weren’t enslaved. It’s all over the books.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 And yet at the end of it, in DH, Harry and Ron magically agree with Hermione's opinions on house elves with no build up. I agree it's done badly, and I agree about the goblin anti-Semitism, but to call the series pro-racism is a bit of a stretch. Like, definitely don't buy the merch or watch the movies or play the game, but buying used books or borrowing from libraries? That's fine. The main message of the series is very much anti-racism. Harry himself doesn't like the Ministry because of its bigoted ideology and reforms it when he gets in.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 I think the books were intended to be anti-racist, but in some ways they end up kind of racist NOT because that was Rowling's intent, but because of clumsily bad writing.
I also think in the specific case of the goblins she didn't realize the tropes she was following (picked up by cultural osmosis) were anti-semitic.
The fact that Rowling even blocked Stephen King, whom she used to consider a friend just because he has a different (positive) point of view about the trans community speaks volumes about how she refuses to open up for a mature dialogue which, if you think about it, is very sad.
I used to enjoy the Harry Potter saga so much and now I really don't know how to feel or think about this even though I'm not trans.
That is ridiculously immature.
@@Lolokbye Not sure if she blocked him, but she did take down a tweet praising him after he simply stated "trans-women are women" and unfollowed him. I don't think anyone other than Rowling and King can tell if she blocked him.
@@Lolokbye possibly, however she deleted a tweet she had just made saying how much she loved him lol
Holly P
You don’t even know that, bruh
Tbh I don't know if it's possible to have a mature dialogue online.
Me: *sees Lindsey post AGAIN.*
Me: did I get knocked out and put in a coma for a month?
You have been in a coma for quite a while.
I am afraid it has been 9 years now.
For real tho
Same
T2266 damn. And Covid is STILL A THING lol
same haha I thought it was a mistake
Ive been wrestling with my feelings regarding Harry Potter; I think I will stick around in the fandom because I still have love for this fictional world and I want to preserve some of it. Can’t leave a huge chunk of my childhood for TERFs to ravage, eh?
I’m one of these people for whom Harry Potter means a lot. It was my escapism, sometimes literally the *only* joy in my life. Growing up LGBTQ in a country where my existence is outlawed did take a significant toll on me. I saw too much of myself in a boy whose presence people saw as a major inconvenience. Harry’s own family was ashamed of him and shoved him in a closet so no one could see him. As a kid I legit thought that Harry’s life was a metaphor for being LGBTQ (back then I thought that the entire world was like my country, and no one was allowed to freely write openly queer characters). Fifth book was especially hard for me to go through because of the media outrage and malicious propaganda aimed at Harry. Again, projection - I was thirteen when I saw in the news that the discriminatory law banning LGBTQ people from the freedom of expression and livelihood was passed. I related to Harry, I was barely in my teens and had to watch myself being torn apart by the strongest this world. Now I am the villain, now I’m a delusional psycho, now my life and my voice are worthless because strangers with power and influence don’t like me.
And after everything that Harry went through in the books, after the closeted life, bullying, wicked propaganda and fight with wizard KKK, JK Rowling delivers. It’s unfathomable to me how the author who wrote the story in which love and compassion are the ultimate saving powers can become the main villain of her own tale. Thanks to Contrapoints, Jamie and Shaaba, I have a solid understanding of how she became a TERF and why her reasoning is bullshit. Still hurts to think that the person who gave little me hope decided to actively harm me, my friends, and my community. I’ll stick with AO3 and watch what kind of tricks people can do and how much they can improve and polish the source material. I’ll check tumblr for fanart. If I want a keychain or some shit I’ll go on etsy or make it myself. I found a good community through Harry Potter, I became a fan of the fandom and I think I’ll keep it that way. This way if I feel that I’m ready to move on from the story I can walk away peacefully.
Oh
I feel great respect towards you for saying this whilst being so close to being published.
I completely agree. Thank you.
Friendship ended with Joanne
Now Donkey Kong is my best friend
Donkey Kong has always been our friend
Coconut guns
@@chriswestergaard4506 Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
He's the first member of the D.K. crew.
DK does say Trans Rights
old? jk
gold? dk
A compromise for the truly inextricable: More canon non-compliant fan fiction, less corporate sponsored circle jerks.
[Thanos voice] Canon can be whatever I want.
@@anadice9489 thanos said trans rights
Good idea. And lots of shipping that the autoher wouldn't approve of :D
YES. Fanfic is powerful in this respect.
@@kailomonkey I never read them before, but I think I just might start reading some of the Harriet fics now.
I enjoyed your comments on “JK Rowl...”, and like you had reassess my relationship with Orson Scott Card. “Ender” meant everything to me, and then I encountered Card’s blatant bigotry. (The movie being so meh helped a lot). I thoroughly recommend the author Lois McMasters Bujold, as she is reminiscent of Card, yet quite positive in her handling of LGBTQ+ themes. I hope this is helpful.
@Lindsey Ellis as an egg I loved you and now as a recently fully out trans woman this video means a lot to me and I love you even more!
I second this!
@Shlomo PilpulStein wats gross?
@Shlomo PilpulStein Loser.
Egg?
@@IamJenJen101 a person still "in their shell" its kinda like the trans version of closeted. Tho I have seen it used to describe gay peeps too. In my case it was both.
We need more unprofessional, pajama clad, ring-light visible hot takes
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agreed; this was one of my favourite videos from her, I found the unscriptedness much preferable.
I second that motion!
9:28 even the main character from Fantastic Beasts played by Eddie Redmayne(who played a trans woman in Danish Girl) spoke against her.
Eddie Rednayne is just a fantastic guy on so many levels.
@@renlysotherlover294 "the mob" - you mean the mob that has done so much to JK?
It's such a weird duality, the fact that, as Lindsay said, Joanne (love calling her that. I'm gonna call her that, now) IS Harry Potter with how inserted she is in the world that she created, how she's still writing the scripts of the Fantastic Beasts movies herself, regularly writes about new HP lore etc etc... And yet, with the colossal amount of fan-created content that is around now, and the numerous other people who have now worked in bringing that world to life, it's like it doesn't entirely belong to her anymore already. A Harry Potter or even Fantastic Beasts fan can easily cruise on consuming fan-created content only. There's so much discussion around the universe, so much creativity in discussing the lore, that fans have altogether already massively rejected content put out by Joanne herself (Cursed Child for instance, and also not many people are into Fantastic Beasts, I personally am so it lowkey hurts to say, but it's true) or become critical of lore she came up with herself (criticizing all the loopholes in her coming up with magical schools for the rest of the planet, etc).
She at the same time has immense influence on the franchise, and not so much anymore.
Because of that, it is so very hard to tell the impact this will all have on the franchise exactly, because someone can now easily call themselves a die-hard HP fan and still decide to not go see FB3 when it'll be released, or give any money to the franchise. Even when talking about merch! There are so many wonderful fanmade items you can find on Etsy and such, now. I can't wait for that next FB movie to be released, not particularly to see what happens in it (2nd FB movie was shite, let's be real), but to see if it will do well or not.
*2 LINDSAY VIDS IN THE SAME WEEK* ???
*DID ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER DIE OR SOMETHING* ???
No, but Joel Schumacher passed away last week.
Hal... its about TERFs..
@Unshaken Productions It's uh. It's very easy to google this but okay: variety.com/2020/film/news/joel-schumacher-dead-dies-batman-director-1234644961/
@Unshaken Productions Yes, that happened. June 22nd.
@Unshaken Productions Everywhere?
i also think reading copies of HP you’ve had for ten years while knowing Rowling is a trash can, and continuing to buy her work and engage with the new stuff, are two very different forms of comsumption
Donovan Gowen Truth. I am not spending a cent on her stuff now. Not that she cares in her tower made from money
Yea I haven't bought any official HP merch or paid to see any of the movies since like 2016, stuff from creators on Etsy or somethin is usually better quality anyways.
Sarah S. I understand that the books have no deeper message than “love is good, actually”. A message Joanne doesn’t even live by.
Thanks goodness I got the pirated pdf versions of the books off of utorrent. Piracy wins, I guess?
God the spiteful hate on here.
I do agree though, Donovan. If you already own her books and want to go back and enjoy her work for its merits alone, there should be nothing stopping you. As long as you're now aware going in that the author's personal opinions have coloured the text and that you should therefore read with caution.
It is endlessly hilarious to watch people in the comments spit furiously, 'I never liked -enter Harry Potter book here- anyway! The Cursed Child was crap! Ha! Gotcha!'
Yeah no. I'm not going to retroactively rethink about my experiences with Harry Potter and convince myself that JK Rowling was not a good writer. She was a phenomenal writer, a stepping stone for millions of teenage readers on their way to adult ficiton and beyond. Does JK Rowling have some questionable *personal* opinions? Absolutely. Who doesn't?
The solution for me is not the Death of the Author, it's Living with the Author. Because no author, no creator, no artist, is unproblematic.
As for abandoning Harry Potter altogether completely...If this situation absolutely makes you feel horrible about loving Harry Potter and you feel you can't enjoy the books/movies/whatever anymore the way you used to or at all, I'd recommend distancing yourself from Harry Potter for a while---not swearing it off forever---and then seeing how you feel about it after some time has passed. If it didn't make a significant positive difference in your personal life, just return to enjoying Harry Potter and see if you can return to enjoying it as you used to or at least well enough. Point being; don't try to change yourself/your loves because of social pressure, or misplaced sense of obligation. Do it only if it truly bothers you personally that much. All I'm trying to say is, don't needlessly try to shun and erase from your life something that has meant a world to you and has/is making you happy. You can't unpay for those books and movies you bought years ago and selling them away isn't going to fix Rowling's actions. There's nothing wrong with the contents of the Harry Potter books and movies themselves in these terms. So you enjoying such content created by a less-than-great person is not saying that you support her newly outted beliefs. How could it? Such beliefs are not present in the content you enjoy.
There are more effective ways to show your UNsupport of Rowling's new attitude, than for you to abandon something that's made you happy and has nothing to do with the toxic thing at hand. I mean, I understand that the Death of the Author is hard to apply in this case, but I honestly don't think it's impossible.
Amazing how not only is this still relevant, Lindsay effectively predicted a ton of stuff JK actually ended up doing as of 2023
When Lindsay talks without a script she turns into big Joel
this is one of the best comments here
I've found one. Another cultured individual.
Big Joel is all of us...
Big Lindsay
Luiz Henrique Rolim Antonio yes. This is unfathomably accurate
I think in general, idolizing ANYTHING is problematic. Especially if you are idolizing another flawed, powerful person of influence. When we begin to understand how to embrace both criticism and value out of a situation or thing or person or art piece, I think we’ll have a better more healthy view of the world. But that comes with a full acknowledgement from the start
Kill your idols, love their art
Never put anyone on a pedestal, because people are people, and people are flawed.
Except Mel Gibson. He idolizing him should not go wrong.
"Never meet your heroes."
What’s wrong being flawed? You can like them a lot anyways
What's fascinating in the end, as I think we sort of now have seen, that this was preparation for her new book. It's like she knew she was going to come out with this anti-trans book so she had to start off early making sure people knew her stance on trans people. I could almost imagine her thinking it would go well for her, that she read the room so badly and thought that her take would be seen as brave and important.
Thanks for posting this. I needed to rewatch this after a new HP game reveal to build resolve and refresh myself on the issue.
Just remind yourself that there are plenty of amazing indie games that can use your support more, and they’ll probably be a million times better too.
Calling her Joanne throughout is some BDE. I'm here for it. Would love more regular freeform videos in this style ✨
Related but unrelated: I'm so glad that Terry Pratchett was a truly extraordinary person, in addition to his works.
shit author tho...too complicated needlessly whimsical.
I wouldn't not have coped if he had turned out to be a terrible person
@@African_Rose Lol fuck off....The Disc World is just as oozingly cheesy as it needs to be.
Same with Ursula K. LeGuin.
William Walshe I get that he’s not everyone’s taste but his whimsical style was a tool he used to dance his readers around an issue they took for granted, only to smack them in the face with how blatantly untrue their assumptions were.
I get what you mean, but he’s Pratchett, he was his own genre.
Definitely visible in the newest work a la JKR that is specifically about this "cross-dressing predator" that JKR is so hell-bent on proving all trans women are. She legitimately wrote out her twisted fantasy to stand to her point and I'm so frustrated to see tweets and posts and opinions about separating the art from the artist.
@@username45739 bait
I'm glad you brought up Orson Scott Card. I love his books, would read all his work, etc. When his rants came out, and I said to myself, "I can separate the author from the work, no problem." However, after a few months I realized I wasn't going out of my way to read any of his works, stopped looked for new ones, and basically had just stopped reading him. I surprised that it just happened for me. And while his works are amazing, I don't miss it, because there are tons of really great authors out there that I can read instead. Thank you for your videos, really insightful and thought provoking.
For me, "death of the author" more has to do with the interpretation of what's in-the-text vs an author's intended interpretation of their text, which I find to be a different issue from supporting the financial life of the person who owns the license.
At this point, I own the books and the movies. They are on my shelf. Some of my money has traveled into and possibly out of her bank account. But I don't need to buy additional copies. I don't need to see any of the Fantastic Beast movies. I don't need to get anything else from her. So, at least I can dodge any future issues of "needing" something from her. (Ducked a bullet there.)
There's other series out there to enjoy. Getting stuck on one usually just leads to eventual disappointment. I just hope I can enjoy each of them to their completion before each author "politically sundowns" their public image.
Yeah, using "death of the author" in this context is a bit of a misnomer in regards to its intended academic use.
Thank you
So you do agree that the author is linked in that you don't want to further support Joanne? Her tendrils are poisoning any further purchase of her works
You can't separate the author's intent and enjoyment of it knowing this
Yeah, as much as reaching for the "death of the author" might seem appropriate, that appearance perhaps reflects the intensity of the animus that Rowling has brought upon herself, rather than having much particular relevance to her work or her public comments.
I'm not chucking anything I own, there's ways to watch new stuff without funding her 😇 I will keep calling her out. Sadly the world means a lot to many in the trans community. Many of us felt a connection to it.
Predicting it now: Lindsay Ellis doing a "hot take" video impromptu makes way more views and likes than her normal release schedule and it'll be unsettling though not entirely surprising cause KRplus likes to promote this stuff over, y'know, video essays.
I don't like notifications on my phone so I rarely click the bell on anyone (I know, I'm a bad subscriber sorry :[ ), but this is the first time youtube has shown one of Lindsay's in my recommends on the front page on the first day it's been out in a LONG long time.
Either way Lindsay we love all your content
Wouldn't surprise me, especially given that it's on a subject likely to show up in a lot of people's feeds as they watch similar videos. Either way, Lindsay continues, as she always has, to raise the bar for KRplus content.
It's been less than an hour and already almost 150k views, so yeah, probably.
Good for her for taking a stand for us.
Rowling has turned into Dolores Umbridge, so certain she's right she'd rather have a child be scarred for life than admit maybe she was wrong.
Oh, the irony... she became the very villain she created...
More so Petunia Dursley I'd say
@@tadstrange1465 nah even petunia showed some humanity near the end
@@fabiofuoco
That's what I'm saying. I think Rowling is an awful person but she isn't like that profoundly evil. Like it's prejudice.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake
I mean, if Petunia ever reached celebrity status, she probably would.
I recently learned about this concept "desidentification" during my course on queer memory. A lot of queer, poc, or otherwise historically discriminated against, marginalized people do this often unconciously anyway. It is this act of recognising that something or someone or a quote can have an impact (maybe even positive) on yourself or society in general while at the same time distancing the parts you dont agree with from yourself and your own identity. Having a word for this really helped me understand my own process of consuming art & literature better and feel less guilty about enjoying problematic peoples work. Doesnt mean i will still buy or financially support problematic people but just that being aware of problematic peoples views doesnt ruin the whole experience or the memory of simply enjoying stuff theyve put out.
"Harry Potter and the troubling implications of the characterization and physical descriptions of Rita Skeeter"
Normally this would be over-thinking/joking but I fully agree here.
"Harry Potter and the Goblin arguing over ownership of a sword that comes off suspiciously like a stand-in for Israel"
@@seamusburke639 woaah
to be clear, thanks for blowing my mind, Seamus. Btw I assume you are some sort of leprechaun stereotype cos duh
Seamus Burke holy SHIT
"Let's say that George Lucas goes off the deep end..."
I'll do my best to imagine this completely hypothetical situation.
Please take 5 seconds to research George Lucas' philanthropy. Try not to let some movies about space wizards put him in the same category as a millionaire, highly influential, outspoken bigot.
Hey at least he's just putting CGI dewbacks in a new hope and not denying the existence of an entire demographic
George Lucas isn’t problematic like Rowling, he’s just insane
Trusting Bob Iger is more naive than insane, really
In all seriousness tho, when George Lucas wanted to expand Skywalker Sound on his property, the local housing association pushed back citing noise complaints and disruption to the area. So Lucas just went "fuck you, I'm gonna build low-income housing instead"
I can't really let go of Harry Potter. Too many memories. I feels super weird because I know who is behind this. It's easier to enjoy Lovecraft - the dude died the lonely death he deserved and he cannot profit off me reading his work at all.
For HP, I consume what I have - DVDs and the books I got 15-20 years ago - but I'm not buying merch, buying new books, going to the cinema, or even engage with fantastic beasts at all.
Fanfic authors cuss out joanne before the start of the first chapters. The marauders fandom has trans authors who engage in trans activism.
There are ways to engage with different forms of media. Some people have genuinely made these characters their own.
If you're rewatching this one after Natalie's video on JKR, hello to you 👋
As a British person, I hadn't realised how bad the cult of potter/ cult of Rowling was till maybe late high school when books like skullduggery pleasant, Darren Shae stuff, goosebumps, the worst witch series, Stephen King, Rick Riordan, Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett books were either being banned outright from the school or put away in storage...As a library monitor I found this really suspicious since when I was year 7 (11-12) they encouraged us to bring in anything but Harry Potter to read, but like five years later Harry Potter was now the only book kids could read and even affected the school itself like we had 4 house teams were split in if you were green you were automatically treated like Slytherin despite the mascot being an octopus.
It wasn't till I was in my last year and parents found out that this changed and the other books were "released"... never found out why it occurred probably because the head was a super uptight hater of the arts and challenging fantasy.
Even now as a 24-year-old who is waiting for literary agents to pick my book up I still get rejection saying "not enough like Harry Potter" or "Won't get the Harry Potter Market"..."Barley Urban Fantasy not set in a school" ... "what's a spriggan?"..."no one wants a female werewolf love interest" (all serious quotes from rejections)
Um sorry for the ramble...its nearly midnight but this is like legit messed up
Edit band for banned I hate autocorrect
Where can we read what you wrote? Or did you published your book?
'no-one wants a female werewolf love interest'... Kelley Armstrong would like a word.
>No one wants a female werewolf love interest.
Guess you should try in the furry fandom, m8...
Maybe you could ride the Brand New Animal Wave and make your book an anime for that werewolf waifu appeal hahahha
I don't believe your perception reflects reality.
I'll never get over the fact that the author of a book series about a boy living in a closet who finds out he is in a niche community, joining a new family who are in said community, and fighting for the basic rights of minorities, is transphobic.
@discoandherpes Like what?
@@Reggie1408 the whole treatment of spew as essentially a running gag rather than a worthy cause worth discussing seriously among the protagonists is textbook reactionary
@discoandherpes I'd also like to know, I hadn't noticed that.
@@breadvelvet, While I understand how spew was presented was an issue, it also doesn't help that Hermione seems to just want to jump in a free the elves without doing any research or anything into their culture. Since JK never does that, we're only left with one very narrow viewpoint of the situation.
To be clear, I get why people have a problem with the elves in general. I just feel like Hermione could have done more besides assuming she knows what's best without really consulting the elves for their point of view.
Not only that, but it's quite the irony to see someone who in her books portrayed bigotry as something heinous, a lost cause and a seed of evil, say so many discriminatory stuff. To her fans, it must feel like an absolute betrayal of the core ethos behind her beloved oeuvre.
death of the author and supporting the author financially by consumption are totally different things, the text IS a personal thing to each of us, that has nothing to do with the ethics of supporting the author, which is a separate matter altogether, one can pirate or borrow or visit the library and enjoy a story by lovecraft without inadvertently doing something unethical, same goes for jk
Lovecraft isn't a good comparison since he's been dead for about 84 years and all of his work is published domain so anyone can change or add to it
Right???
Maybe it's because I myself am trans, but I find it illuminating, fascinating, and downright disturbing that people put more importance on a fictional world over the continued rights of human beings...
I don't want to discount what you are saying as I partially agree with it. Though at the same time I don't feel like it is *that* cut and dry.
Though I'd bet that most of the people consuming media made by bad people work under (willful) ignorance of the immoral effect that the author can have, both in financial and also in giving them a platform. Especially in these days where it's way easier to give out about the horrible stuff people in a lot of industries are doing, it's becoming harder and harder to enjoy anything without having moral dilemmas. Just look at Hollywood, the shit that happened in the music industry and the game industry to just name a few examples... And because a lot of people use media to escape from life there is a part of wanting to divorce the work with the artist.
And since media is all around us, can enrich people and can influence the creation of other media where do we draw the line? Is it ever justifiable to engage with media made by bad peoplr? Is having harmful opinion by the author enough to not engage with it? Or do we draw the line when people get directly hurt? What if the author is dead? What if the media is collaborative, do we dismiss every media where a director turns out to be a horrible person?
And in this particular case we are talking about a fictional world that we consumed media of since we were little and while it's true that supporting Harry Potter means supporting someone in trying to take rights away... it's hard to let go of something that people got comfort in, resonated with and connected with. The bigger the part it plays or played in one's life the harder it is to let go. For me personally it's been hard to reconcile it, as this world was a big part of me growing up. And even though it have me good memories that I won't forget a lot of it has soured now. And since this is not a typical case in many aspects, while I would agree with drawing the line here, personally, I find it hard to put a moral judgement on the ones engaging with it, as I don't think many people are doing so in endorsement of Rowling's actions.
That's not to say that this isn't a problem because it is and I'm also not saying that your feelings on this matter don't matter either. I just don't think that it's possible for everyone to undo the impact the world had on their lives and them not letting go makes all of them had people
This is what gets me, too. This whole group of people going "but it's so fooooooooormative!" Guys. This is the fictional equivalent of sucking your thumb. Yes, you did it as a child. No, you probably shouldn't do it as an adult. And if you're prioritizing your own childhood memories over actual alive people (who, also, have childhood memories), there is something wrong with you. There's having fond attachments to childhood things and there's unhealthy attachment disorders.
"I don't like talking about my personal feelings, 'cause I like to pretend I don't have any" - Lindsay Ellis, 2020
relatable
I want this on a t-shirt NOW
The queen has spoken
I live by that 😎😌
@LE Jimenez fictional robots are written by authors who have emotional bias
Given that all of Rowling's recent work related to Harry Potter has been utter crap, boycotting her future work should be easy enough.
Exactly
I was really enjoying the Cormoran Strike books (written by JKR under a pseudonym) but... no more
The only Harry Potter thing that I don't want to be affected negatively is the upcoming Harry Potter console game. Of course supporting it will means more money for her, but I pity the people who works hard on that game. It likely barely has any writing input from her too.
@@CTheng "One of the people working on the game stressed that Rowling has very little direct involvement." This is a selling point now. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-29/harry-potter-game-developers-rattled-by-j-k-rowling-backlash
@@CTheng well, I understand your point. I dont like video games at all so probably I'd never bought it anyway, but I know they required a lot of work, a lot of poorly paid work indeed. However the Joanne needs to understand that certain actions lead to certain consequences, and I would love some creators actually complaining with her about the things she says damaging their products and sells.
It has been interesting to follow people’s reaction to Rowling’s tweet. For example, in Finland, some people touring around flea markets, second-hand stores and libraries buy Rowling's literary production off. I don’t know what they’re going to do with these books or what they want, but libraries have refused to sell these books to them.
Just discovered your channel. You're the coolest. Such great, thought out, backed up analysis. Please don't stop.
Personally, I would have called it: Death of the Author 2: The Rowlering.
JK Rowling and the Chamber of TERFs
Death of the Author 2 - The J.K. Boogaloo
Antara Ballal lol I like this one
Death of the author 2: the electric Rowl-aloo
Harry Potter and the Deathly Unfollows
WE ALL HIT THE NOTIFICATION SO FAST WE FELT IT IN OUR SOUL, YOU KNOW IT.
don’t call me out like that 🥺
I'm here so often I don't need notifications lol
What? How did you know that?
I feel seen and attacked lol
Back again because Joanne keeps getting worse, uggggggghhghghghgghh
What did she do 7 months ago
Way late and completely unrelated to anything: your eyes are especially gorgeous in this video!
I think at some point, we need to look at our 'relationship' as fans with the creators of our favorite works. As a society, we shouldn't be putting people up on such a pedestal because things like this will invariably happen. This goes for all mediums. Not to say we shouldn't still admire someone's work, but blind devotion to someone for the sole reason that they created something that means a lot to you is unhealthy.
People have too much of a fascination on celebrities even b tier ones, in general. This idolatry is very toxic behavior I feel.
If you don't know them personally, I feel it's just weird to blindly extol someone's virtues without really knowing them.
That's true, but I think creators should aspire to be worthy of devotion as well. They should think, "I'm gaining a lot of respect, so I should do my best to be a good person on top of that" Even if that means having to hold back on stating certain inherently toxic viewpoints.
Patrick YES! 👏👏 Right on.
Simply put: 'making and consuming media would be a whole helluva lot easier if everyone were a little smarter and nicer.' I agree.
right? your mom might make a Mean casserole, but doesn't mean you can't disagree on things, or that you shouldn't still love them.
I love that Stephen King was blocked by J.K. Rowling when he called her out on Twitter.
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EDIT (because some of you are pedantic as fuck and I apparently oversimplified matters): OK. King didn't "call her out" so much as he posted a pro-Trans tweet that led to a chain of events that caused J.K. Rowling (who has frequently been accused of being transphobic) to reportedly unfollow & block him on Twitter early last week (multiple news outlets reported this on June 29th & 30th - a quick Twitter search will get you the same info).
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J.K. has apparently taken a step back in recent days, but DID in fact delete a tweet praising Maine's claim to fame. Dear lordy, some of you are exhausting.
Especially since the two were friends at the very most and respected each other at the very least when she was writing the books.
He didn't even call her out, someone commented what was basically 'if you're not a transphobe say trans women are women' and he agreed and wrote it. He literally said something affirming to trans people in a comment thread and she blocked him for it.
@@cfor8129 She deleted earlier praise of Stephen King after he tweeted that transwomen are women and then blocked him. My god.
Team Stephen King FOR LIFE.
@@cfor8129 Ok, there was no Wild West Stand-Off on Twitter, but part of me believes that he KNEW she'd see that and react.
I’m a nonbinary person who grew up on HP and I feel very conflicted about the books and JKR in general even before she outed herself as a full fledged TERF. There are a lot of issues with the characters and what she’s said about them, Cho Chang, Dumbledore, the recasting of Lavender Brown. I have found friendship and great love and support in the corner of the fandom that I don’t think I can let go of. But I don’t plan to put any more money into her pockets. Those books and movies were there for me through some of the hardest times in my life. Learning the truth of her character and realizing things about the text and films that I didn’t notice or understand as a child is heartbreaking and feels like a betrayal, even though she’s been this way the entire goddamn time.
@Vassili Petrovitch What are you, a prequels-era Jedi? "Only children need to feel loved"?? Are you even listening to yourself talk?
@Vassili Petrovitch Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
"It's weird how creators who preach love and acceptance, are themselves not loving nor accepting."
It's because those creators only have to say it in the confines of fiction. Their version of the "different and opporessed" don't get to talk back.
Anti-choice/forced birthers also have this same mentality. That's why you never see them taking care of orphans or impoverished children. Fetuses don't talk back.
What did we do to deserve this much (NameBrand) Lindsay content in such a short period of time!?
I am going to credit my Wiccan rituals.
Quarantine probably
Titan Uranus thank you for your service
Because her book tour got cancelled and she can put a mention in each video.
@@titanuranus3095 "I sacrificed a lamb in YHWH's name".
I had the same confusion about Orson Scott Card. Couldn’t understand how someone with such shitty views could write a story of such acceptance with Speaker for the Dead
@@DA-nk6gx wait, Sanderson is homophobic? God damnit
He's Mormon. They can be some of the nicest people to everyone they meet, but actually believe that gay people are sinning by being gay, even though they justify it by bleeting "love the sinner hate the sin."
Ah, because that's what writing fiction is?
If you ever read the enders shadow series his bigotry becomes a lot more clear. In one of the books there is a character who literally forced himself to get married to a woman because he thought heterosexual marrige is the only way to happiness.
@@cractor6307 he somthing many years ago along the lines that Gays should have their equal rights but not under the name of marrige as that is holy matrimony under god and god views homosexuality as a sin ( i guess he would prefer some life partner type thing. he does have a gay best friend and writes gay characters in his books so its not like the guy is evil, hes just very religious). I still like Sanderson and buy his books. He dosen't come across as a bad or hateful guy in how he holds his views he just suscribes to the religion his parents brought him up in. I have had many mormon friends in the past with similar views and they are some of the nicest, most understanding people in the world even to gay/trans people and atheists. If anything they fear for their friends souls and the eternal damnation they could experience for their sin or lack of faith. I don't agree with his views but I don't hate the guy. I buy his book for his acclaimed writing not his religion or politics.
I despise when it's a creator in fantasy and/or science fiction especially who doesn't use their supposed imagination and empathy to overcome ingrained bigotry or try to learn from some members of their audience and in fact uses their platform to hurt those who are especially fragile in their senses of self, i.e, the young and/or those dealing with their own identity.
As I sit here thinking "I'm game. Let's Boycott", I talked back to the screen saying, "well yeah, she's talking proudly now because she has the power/money/influence/backing to do so..." - AND THEN IT STRUCK ME - that video of yours on the last season of GoT and the quote about how "power reveals". This is what's happening. Power didn't corrupt her, she was always this way, it's just a safe time for her to show her true self.
frrr
JK: a
Warner Bros, making fantastic beasts 3: SHUT UP PLEASE
Honestly, they’ve made he team up with a real screenwriter so expect his name on it solely 😂
They should just cancel it at this point. Crimes of Grindlewald was a franchise killer, and her shooting her mouth off is fuel to the fire
phiferbb10tmjagP the series is not even complete and already in dire need of rebooting...but tbh, I just want Joanne to keep writing and burning the whole thing to the ground via her atrocious screenwriting ability!
🤣🤣 ikr? Poor Fantastic Beasts movies lol They've faced so much controversy already that I genuinely feel bad for the series. It's like everyone is out to destroy the movies and by everyone I mean their own people lmao
@@Poever ik, but if they do all the rightis will cry "cancel culture"
"Donkey Kong says Trans Rights."
That's gonna be a LIKE from me, dawg.
Teeth.
Hell, even Duke Nukem said Trans Rights. Do the likes of Rowling and Linehan really wanna be less socially progressive than Duke Nukem?
CSGraves if freakin Duke Nukem said it then hell.
@@fineapple3435 Apparently he was watchin' HBomberguy's charity DK64 stream.
I was definitely a Harry Potter kid. I read all the books and collected the wands. My personal stance is to not give JKR more money. Every time you buy some officially licensed thing that says “Harry Potter” on it, she sees some of that cash. I’m certainly not going to sell my wands or books. I just won’t buy more.
Buy wands on etsy maybe?
@@charliegrist749 Or just don't buy them at all?
coming to this video 2 years later and the line we the us are less terfy about trans people made me cringe alittle as a transfemale cause this country is fast becoming way dangerous for us
Oh god, I bet Death of the Author may end up having to be a whole series, won't it?
you make that sound like a bad thing
Hmm... who's on my list?
Kill the whole author
Hot take: it is easier to practice death of the author when the author is literally dead
Sounds like a solution
Always. Death of the author almost always requires a actually dead author to be moral.
@Hravity well, anything can be morally analysed.
Think it this way: you can apply it to Nietzsche and Heidegger and be fine now, be very wrong in 1932 and be VERY VERY wrong in 1943 (in different ways and for different reasons, but also.. let's start to stan Husserl).
You can also be Elisabeth Nietzsche, and be a veeeeeeeeeeery bad user of this category.
Just saying: Plato is right in Phaedrus (also, Roland Barth), but acting like the author is dead when it is pretty much alive via her actions? That is morally wrong when the author is doing wrong.
@@chiarasulis3575 It means that "Death of the Author" is a form of literary analysis which divorces the text from the author (unlike the regular literary analysis which interprets the text by looking at the author's life and times) and interprets the text only from within itself.
@@chiarasulis3575 Nietzsche's philosophy is hardcore individualism no matter how you interpret it and no matter how dead the author is. Understanding it as a motivation for organized violence (or organized _anything_) was _never_ a legitimate reading of his texts. Elisabeth Nietzsche wasn't wrong in applying Death of the Author, she was wrong in completely misunderstanding the whole, evident point of his texts.
2:22 I'm just gonna thank you for saying that, because I was having a bit of an issue; Harry Potter isn't something I can just put away, and it made me mad that I was feeling guilty for that when Ender's Game is taught in schools.
You just made my day.
I just discovered the concept of "death of thr author" with your video, and it actually helps me a lot to deal with the dilemma. Thanks a lot! (the Omegaverse story got me here, I'm happy to subscribe to such great content)