Boeing 737 nearly FAILS to TAKE OFF!!
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What happened here?!
In 2016 this Viral video was uploaded by BristolCardifairport. It shows a Boeing 737 from Royal Air Moroc, during takeoff in Frankfurt Main airport. During the takeoff the aircraft appears to struggle to get airborne. INstead of rotating and flying away, the aircraft makes a short "skip", lowers the nose and then has another go at it and manages to take off.
There have been tens of thousands of comments made about this takeoff on Twitter, KRplus and facebook and nearly everyone is questioning the professionalism of the pilots.
In todays "React" video, I will be breaking down the different explanations there might be to this strange departure.
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Chapter:
00:00 Introduction
01:28 Reaction
04:04 Flaps?
05:47 Trim?
06:33 Speeds?
08:25 External factor?
14:03 Conclusion
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A pilot with the heart of a teacher. Rather than harshly rebuke, he took the time to calmly explain. ๐
Thatโs what my channel is all about. It might take a bit of time, but Iโll get there.
I mean he is a line-trainer, so he is a teacher
@@MentourPilot sounds like my gf
Teachers donโt get nearly enough respect!
@@sundhaug92 not all line trainers are good teachers. He is VERY gifted.
Media = what the heck were the pilots thinking
Mentor = they were absolutely fantastic.
Jason, I would even border that on Click-Bait, but I will give Mentour a pass!
Armchair aviation experts = Those %&@ยฃ$ pilots don't know how to fly.
Joke aside, after incidents and accidents, "experts" will draw conclusions after 10 seconds. There's a reason why it takes 18 months, or more, to investigate accidents. Sometimes, a tiny crack, a small grain, or a tiny loose screw is all that takes to turn a routine flight into a disaster.
@@rickokemp1244 , Nah, about the state of the art here. LOL (no laughter warranted, however).
There is a meme gif going around about the pilots forgetting the flaps. It's hilarious but I didn't think the Internet was as wrong as it is
YES!
We pay full runway, we use full runway!
Hahaha
Pmsl ๐ Nice work.
@@MentourPilot Great teaching moment. Thank you
Spoken like an Indian ๐
Wasnโt Wizz,
I just find it sad that the crew of this flight did EVERYTHING right, and still get shamed on social media by members of the public who have no idea about anything but still have an opinion. These crew members did everything to protect the passengers, placing the passengers as a first priority, and the way they get treated by potential passengers are having them questioning the crews' skill. It's so unfair...to good pilots.
That is the definition of the public: no idea -- absolute opinion.
Nothing kills self-reporting and high safety standards like reprimanding people who can't possibly be perfect 100% of the time...you know, like all humans are.
@@enasniec-neicsnoc9591 Uhh, not me! Me is perfect all the time! ๐ฎ ๐คฃ ๐
Says a lot about information and perspective huh? I was humbled watching and learning.
Einstein said; when you have opinions, you don't know what you are talking about, and the more opinions you have, the less you know about the subject. If you have all the information about a given subject then, you can't have opinions, you just know. Opinion are conclusion reached when you don't have all the information. Never listen to opinions, they will always be flawed.
I went from thinking "Geez these pilots messed up" to thinking "Wow these pilots did an awesome job" in a shockingly short amount of time.
People are way to quick to blame the Pilots when they only have half the facts! That crew earned their pay that day!
Indeed they did
Once you understand it you realize just how close they could have come to disaster. I'm only an 'armchair' pilot and things like this really remind me of that.
@@Lucien86 I'm sure they soiled their pants on that one. There's only so much runway.
Or none
@@leroygreen1877 Rwy 18 in Frankfurt is 4 kilometers long, so they had still had plenty of runway left.
Those pilots performed flawlessly and professionally. The culture of reporting all incidents is why aviation is used as a template for safety in many other industries. Every report increases the store of knowledge which improves safety for everybody.
it is extremely inefficient.
It is a funny cultural phenomenon that flying is exposed to safety standards that are so much higher then any other mechanized transport. I guess it is due to the high fatality rate per incident.
Nothing comes close to Fatality Rates on Cruise Ships
Just the 3 largest sinking's in last 50 years is 10 x the amount of people killed in all plane crashes over last 50 years.
If you go back further 1 Ship Accident took over 12,800 lives (gustav after ww2)@@SamuelLanghorn
As a Moroccan viewer of your channel, I'm proud of the aircrew, at the beginning of the video I thought that they are inexperienced but when you explain external factors I realized how much they can control the aircraft as they control a toy.
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Must have been very frustrating for the pilots to get all this negativity over them knowing they have handled the situation in the best possible manner...
They don't care about haters
@@Fox-One1937 I highly doubt that. Sure people pretend not to care, but so many are bothered by it as it's the human condition to be valued.
@@AntonioCunningham I think it's more a corporate (RAM) problem than the pilots, who the identity stay secret.
@@Fox-One1937 The airline certainly does. The last thing an airline needs is for travelers to think that it employs incompetent pilots or that their planes are unsafe.
@@rookmaster7502
Actually, usually the airlines and aircraft manufacturers are in a rush to blame the crew; especially when they are dead.
Normally reaction videos are just purely emotion-based but this one was extremely informative. Props to @Mentour Pilot.
Glad you liked it
@@MentourPilot Glad you made it !
> Props to @Mentour Pilot.
Jets to him. I don't think he's flown props in years.
@@MWGrossmann 'eyyyyyy
I like how the thumbnail baits you into thinking it's a generic overacted reaction video.
Excellent breakdown of what happened. On two occasions I encountered the exact circumstances you described while departing runway 18. We handled them the same way, with the same result. Spot on analysis.
So this is not an exception but something that does happen time to time. Aren't such situations dangerous enough to require traffic control to prevent them from happening in the future (like introducing larger delays between landings/takeoffs on these runways)?
@@zefelder Correct. It happens from time to time, but is unique to Frankfurt when runway 07R is being used for landings, and runway 18 for takeoffs. Most departures on 18 receive clearance immediate after the crossing landing traffic has passed over runway 18. This allows for the departing plane to get aiborne before the vortices from the arriving plane reach the ground, thus the departing aircraft passes safely under the gradually sinking vortices without incident. In the video in question, the Royal Air Maroc began it's takeoff role about one minute after the Turkish A330 passed overhead, resulting in the incident. It is not certain if ATC gave a delayed takeoff clearance, or if they held the Moroccan jet for a minute in an effort to allow the wake vortices to clear the area before allowing it to take off.
One other factor is that the A330 is a large aircraft and creates large, powerful vortices. If the landing jet had been a smaller type, this inccident would likely not have happened. I mentioned in my original comment that I had encountered this situation on two occasions at the same airport. Once I was in a 737 with an MD11 crossing and was given takeoff clearance some 50 seconds later. This exact scenario played out with indicated airspeed dropping by 20 knots right as we lifted the nose off the ground. That was in 1994. The second time occurred in 2006 and an Airbus A380 was landing while I was in a 767. This time, the effect on my aircraft occurred as we approched VR when I, as pilot monutoring, saw a sudden drop in airspeed and simply delayed calling out VR until we reached the proper airspeed a few seconds later as we passed through the vortex and the rotation and liftoff were normal, albeit further down the runway than usual, but not jeopordizing departure in any way.
This is more likely to happen on days with calm winds, as the vortices from crossing heavy jets will linger longer and settle on the ground instead of being dissipated more quickly by stronger on windy days. Also, runway 18 is almost always a crosswind departure at Frankfurt because the wind seldom blows directly from the south.
@@jeffreydeeds9225 for a crew caught in a stalled rotation like this one but with engines running fine - would there be any contraindications against adding one or two flap notches on the fly, alongside other countermeasures?
@@hide3reptiles365 - I would think not. The flaps, unlike ailerons and spoilers, don't respond quickly to inputs, as they are generally slow moving and guided by tracks that keep them properly aligned. The biggest indicator is the air speed because all of your calculations for take off revolve around air speed.
@@jeffreydeeds9225 I'm not a pilot but intuitively I think you are absolutely right.
It is quite surprising to me that thece vortices are so persistent but despite the phenomena being invisible, considering the weight and forces involved for a minute, yea, I can actually totally appreciate that being the case. Especially as the vorticies meet the ground, the effect will be exaggerated and widened almost exactly allong the plane of the departing aircrafts trajectory.
How fortunate are we that whomever recorded this, also captured the incoming flight.
And this is why aircraft are assigned a wake turbulence category, of which that A330 would have been classed as "heavy" (which was probably what prompted the tower to issue turbulence warnings in the first place).
I'm not a pilot, but the scientist in me appreciates how you reasoned out the situation here.
Me too, I'm an Engineer. Far too much of the time Opinion counts for everything, not facts and reason. Here in the UK distrust of experts is now official government policy.
@@jonathanwetherell3609 Distrust of experts is widespread in the US as well. Witness the idiots who reject COVID vaccinations because "they don't know everything". ("They, of course, being the experts.)
@@Ambidexter143 and has been for a while.
@@jonathanwetherell3609 history will repeat itself distrust of the experts have resulted in loss of millions of lifes in the past. We've been living way too comfortably in th EU for decades now. It's just a matter of time people repeat their mistakes. This is why I think history is the #1 most important subject taught in schools and there should be more of it and very much(obviously) uncesored.
@@ualreadyknoitsyaboi oh please no.
Being a native moroccan, it bothered me a bit when i saw this video and people were so fast to come up with conclusions, some went as far as calling thr whole Moroccans to leave planes to the "professionals" and just stick with making food, like what's that even mean, I'm really glad that you made this really thorough explanation, hats off to you sir
I have flown a lot. From personal experience, the service onboard Royal Air Marc flights is top notch. Same goes for the pilots.
Making food? You mean stick to cutting tourists heads off?
โ@@MrAkurvaeletbe There are good and bad people regardless of their culture, religion or origin. You should really start to meet other people and get your butt out of mom's basement.
@@MrAkurvaeletbe What happened there has nothing to do with Moroccans nor their culture, all I can say to you is open your mind and your eyes and stop being a fool.
@@kipweit9634 But when the food is good it's totally their culture ? ;)
I know this video is a year old but holy crap Iโm completely impressed. I am amazed at how you reasoned out all the possibilities and showed the actual, pretty complicated and nuanced reason for the incident from a video that makes it look relatively simple.
Crazy, but simlar things happened to me on a couple of occasions while piloting 737-500's out of larger aiports. It's actually pretty chill, feels tame on the controls, just a tiny forward pressure on the controls to get back on track and you're off and running, not a comfortable experience for passengers I expect. Not dangerous at all really, the pilots were competent and composed. Good review.
I was nearly blown out of the sky once. In a glider at probably 3000 feet AGL (just been released from a tow launch) and a 747 cargo with technical problems comes over at 8000 maybe 10,000 (normally they are nearer 25,000 in that area as it's a good distance IE about 60 miles from EMA). Luckily it was a tandem with my instructor behind me. He took over and started going off in a direction I did not expect to give the wake as much time to dissipate as possible. Damn near needed a change of underwear though. It felt like being thrown about like a tissue in a gale..
Lets not close our eyes on reality. Profit comes before the security of people.
They build runways way to short, to allow to interrupt a disturbed take off, because of the construction costs.
They let land and take off planes in still shorter intevalls because the more traffic the more profits.
They keep the risks low, so the insurances remain profitable, but they have no intention of a risk 0.
Check the numbers of victims and accidents in the 60ies, 70ies, it looks like barbarian times in passenger flights.
In 50 years from now, we still be a barbarian time, for allowing so much potential risks...
I guess I'm a bit different than most air passengers. I LIKE a rough takeoff and landing. My favorite landing was on an RJ-145, I think it was, when we had a 27 knott gusty crosswind during landing. MAN, that was fun! I enjoyed the hell out of it!
The post production levels on this channel are really excellent, makes your content really watchable and very professional.
So happy that you think so! We are putting a lot of emphasis on that right now so Iโm glad you guys like it!
@@MentourPilot Yeah, I also got what Ben said... you put so much effort and it shows! Thanks.
Agree. Great to see the channel flourish in these challenging aviation times
I love getting on a Ryanair from Luton to Malta but sad to say... might not be again this year ๐๐๐๐
I personally think the post editing is way too much now, it was better before without all those animations and strange things happening (e.g. 6:28 and further or 1:27.. quite anoying) Just my personal opinion.
@@MentourPilot missing the dogs non-chalant jumping up on the couch though. Gotta find a middle ground between production value and dog sightings. :)
dude you got some next level graphics for a reaction video.
We do what we can! ๐
I was quite impressed
๐๐๐ very good explanation Peter. So much people are "shooting" down our colleagues!
Thank you for your vision
Actually my immediate thought was that the plane was more heavily loaded than the pilots had been advised. I am under the impression that just 5 tonnes more weight than advised in a 737-400 can significantly alter the rotate speed (by about 10kts?). I have only flown gliders though so do not have the requisite knowledge to state that as anything but supposition. That said I have been in a glider thrown about by the wake from a 747 cargo that was in trouble and 15000 ft lower than normal. That was even after my instructor took the controls and started heading for some space where he thought the wake would be diminished. I thought we had escaped it just as it hit. I nearly needed a change of trousers. Turns out the glider took now damage.
His explanation is sufficient. People tend to just assume that everyone else is just screwing up when, in fact, they're making the best of a bad situation.
Thanks Petter. Us 737 pilots are all painfully aware about the curse of setting ZFW into the wrong box on the FMC. And we all guard against it. Those vortices from heavies are often misunderstood. The A380 is one lady in particular we all learn to keep well away from!
That makes a lot of sense. If they are past v1, then they are committed. Lowering the nose to gain more speed was definitely the right decision.
Whatever you do, don't increase drag !
The Internet: "I'll never let the truth get in the way of a good story!"
Mentour: "That's the wrong attitude buddy!"
Indeed!
Nothing wrong with the attitude, it was airspeed :-)! (I'll see myself out :-)!) (Mentour - you need a "right attitude" T-shirt :-))
@@MentourPilot Hello Mentour pilot. This is my first time asking you for a request oh and BTW I am subscribed to your KRplus channel.
Anyway I have been really interested lately on AA flight 965 on Dec 20, 1995. That crashed in Boga Columbia. I just want your take on what happened. Like your opinion about that. Lmk whenever no rush or anything
I've already seen plenty of news saying "SN10 FAILED AGAIN! Crashes on landing!" Hey, sensationalism beats 'boring' truth for clicks 100% of the time. Goobers.
@@shirothehero0609
SN10 was a TEST prototype, it was designed to be pushed to the limits, their main goal wasn't even the landing but rather just gathering data about flight performance.
i suggest if you're interested in spacex stuff, stick to reliable youtube channels and sources like everyday astronaut and scott manley.
Dang. I just started watching aviation videos a few days ago because they started flooding my feed, and once you said there's more to the story I knew it had something to do with winds or turbulence before taking off, before hearing the explanations, rather than it being incompetence from the pilots. Now I have had absolutely zero knowledge of anything related to aviation prior to watching your videos. I didn't even watch the Tom Hanks Sully movie and I didn't watch documentaries about aviation, crash/accident related or not.
Mentour, you're really doing a great job educating people. You're the best, all the others I've watched just react to what they see on the short clips without any context at all and they are all quick to judge them as incompetent or irresponsible. You're the only one who actually searches for real answers.
You made a very good explanation of this situation. This happened to us in 1989 flying Frankfurt to NY on an older 747 (RIP). We took off westward and rotated to a pretty steep angle. We stayed rotated for what seemed forever, finally dropped the nose, gained airspeed then took off.
We used every foot of that runway and nearly took out the equipment at the end. Pilots were hard on the throttle too. Plane was shaking from the thrust.
The cabin erupted in applause when the gear retracted.
This is not reasurring that the same mistake was repeated by that airport
For a layman like myself, that was very well explained. Thank you.
Awesome! Thatโs exactly what I wanted to hear
I absolutely agree.
As a non-pilot but someone who loves plane spotting, this was so fascinating! You have such a clear way of explaining things. The graphics are awesome.โ๏ธ
Yeah the graphics were great
I thought of the same thing! Those animations are stunning and the explanation was very clear. I never knew wake turbulence can affect another aircraft like this. I always expect it to just be like a shaky turbulence or worst case scenario, American 587.
Great scientific communication here!!!
I'm terrified to fly... but for the last month I've been watching Mentor Pilot, and I can honestly say that most of my fears about flying are gone thanks to Petter... I commend the way you explain things. The way you break them down and and not just that but you also include the way things have been fixed and improved industry wide because of these incidents. I'm still terrified to fly, but like all fears, time overcomes most. Thank you again for the job you do. And thank you for doing far more than your job requires you to do.
I must be a masochist, I flew recently and was watching mentour pilot videos the night before flying ๐
As an aerospace engineer I really enjoy your videos. There is always a lot to learn. Thanks!
This is why people shouldn't pass judgment when they don't have all the information. People so quick to judge with social media theses days.
This was definitely one of the most out-of-the norm things I've ever seen at an airport while filming! A brilliantly well put together video Petter, thoroughly explained with fantastic graphics.
Funny no one noticed the person who actually took the video is chilling in the comments.
Possibly an ATC issue... rounde'm up and head'm out... target fixation. Great pilot reaction kept them out of the evening news
Nice one Mentour! The breakdown is fantastic. Indeed, I will be using the video link to clear the air on behalf of Royal Air Maroc as the professionalism of their crew is unquestionable. Thanks again!!!๐๐๐๐๐
Great job, Petter. I really appreciate how much you stand up for your colleagues when they come in for unjust criticism, especially when there may be an odor of cultural elitism in the mix. Terrific stuff.
Glad you liked it. I have the tools and the possibility to reach out, so itโs my duty to do so.
@@MentourPilot That's the spirit I love in your works, Captain!
@@MentourPilot
There's nothing quite like an informed opinion. ๐
Great job as always, Thanks.
Have a great day.
@@1ListerofSmeg This explanation remind me of police books I used to read as a teenager, such as Alfred Hitchcock, and Agatha Gristy, you never expect the end. Mentor Pilot can make a great lawyer as well :)
12:40 can we all take a moment to praise the quality of this amazing animation? How did he even do that?!
Fiverr is a great thing!
Taken! Appreciated....!!
Is this a subtle clue that you're the anonymous person that edits his videos?
@@NillKitty hahaha, no, I'm just a fan of details.
Iโve just watched a couple of videos and both of them featured really good graphics work-clear and easy to understand. The person or people who make them are doing great work :)
Youโre a credit to your professions, both aviation and KRplus presenter. Thanks for your hard work on these videos.
A long time ago I was a keen hang glider pilot. When we were several gliders hang-soaring the same ridge, we often hit the wake turbulence of each other. When flying quite close to a steep mountain ridge, this was not a pleasant experience. You felt like loosing control for a moment. We were feather-light with our hang gliders, and I can imagine the power of those vortices coming off a heavy airliner.
Some time later on, I was flying a microlight trike (basically a hang glider with an engine, seat and undercarriage). One day I followed about a minute behand a similar trike, and all of a sudden my wing pitched down violently. I immediately thought I had some kind of structural failure, but it was the wake turbulence of the trike in front of me that pushed me down. I probably hit both vortices symmetrically. As soon as I dropped under, all was calm and controllable again.
As a 22 year (3000ish hours in the 737) pilot, I love love love your content dude! Thank you, I always learn something.
Also, you're an aviation ninja detective, great work!
22? When did you start to learn? I'm 25 and just start getting to flight school and been told it's gonna be at least 5 years til I land myself inside a jet airplane
@@doducduy96
I'm not 22 years old, I've been flying for 22 years
@@dseanjackson1 do you think 25 years old is too late to start? Iโm about to apply for the PPL once my greencard arrived. If you have some spare time can you help giving me some advices I would be greatly appreciated.
Are you italian?
@@youneslaw3350
No, ma parlo la lingua come L2. Perchรฉ?
I enjoy how you teach. You have the ability to get a non pilot like me to understand what you are talking about without feeling as if I'm being condescended to. You're just like my brother in that respect!(he's a uni prof!)
Thank you! Glad you liked it
Yes same. All I know about flying comes from watching experts. This channel has contributed most of my knowledge. I often send these videos to friends of mine who are nervous about flying, to show them the kind of expertise they have on the flight deck.
Statistically way more dangerous driving to the airport!
I'm currently in 2nd year of university studying aeronautical engineering. Lately I've been watching quite a lot of your vids, and how you explain is so simple yet makes so much sense, really well done!
Very refreshing to see such a logical and informative reaction video! Sorry that the crew and airline are getting flak despite doing everything correctly. Thank you for sharing!
Honestly, Mentour, I never actually though of wake turbulence affecting another airplaneโs takeoff perpendicularly. I love learning something new, especially if itโs aviation related. This is a brilliant explanation. Those Moroccan pilots deserve credit after all the backlash by non-aviation people.
Also, that shirt is a must have. Iโm gonna place an order shortly.
Definitely a "one chance to get it right" event. Well done, crew!
Hey man, way to dive into the information on how it could have been a wet runway, and then proceeding to give knowledge on flying within those conditions, and it's not raining at all so you're just providing more knowledge than what's "needed" but as for the rain and the wind examples, and you describing what happens in these circumstances despite it not being that circumstance here, is actually incredible. Every teacher, or KRplusr that focuses on teaching viewers on their specific topic should think, prepare, and present things in this way. Excellent job bro, as always. But I just wanted to be specific this time cause I've been watching for years and briefly leaving a comment, but I figured you might actually see these and would appreciate someone specifically saying what you do so well and what sets you apart from your competition. Keep giving as much knowledge as possible! Keep giving us incredible content as well!
Fascinating - thanks for the clear explanation of the failure mode!
I regularly fly in and out to/from Frankfurt (mostly RWY18) but never considered it really. Will be definitely become part of my briefing if RWY 07 and 18 active in EDDF. Thank you for the heads up.
I yelled from armchair...FLAPS FLAPS FLAPS and almost stopped the video. Glad I stuck around...did not see that coming. Keep'em coming.
Glad you liked it!
Me too
Mentour Pilot - The CN-RNV of Royal Air Maroc is a Boeing 737-7B6. I also analyzed this video, and came to the exact same conclusion. I looked at 1) The trees (calm) 2) Wind sock (calm) 3) Extensive Audio Analysis using the Swedish Software Reason Studios, Indicated a) A microphone with no windsock b) That the wind noise was comparable to a light breeze, most distinctive from a sharp angle to the RWY. Conclusion on this part of the analysis was that CN-RNV had more or less a direct headwind 4-6 knots / 4-7 mph / 6-11 km/h / 1.6-3.3 m/s. This is a rough estimate. Noise could indicate that the headwind perhaps was slightly higher, but not by much.
Looking at the Airport Diagram of Frankfurt/Main next, approximating where the upset takes place corresponds with roughly the point where a line drawn from RWY 07R intersects with RWY 18.
Flight controls don't seem to have been touched at the point of the upset.
Only remaining, Final Conclusion: Upset caused by Wake Turbulence from a Heavy landing on RWY 07R (too) close in time to the Departure of Royal Air Maroc's Boeing 737-7B6, Registration: CN-RNV.
Upset handled very nicely and professionally by an obviously EXPERIENCED Air Crew. There is no panic, the flight controls appears to be left until end of upset, the nose is lowered in a controlled fashion, until such speeds that the aircraft starts flying.
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Mentor Pilot kicks ass. Best info, delivery on the net. No ulterior motives, ego to feed etc., we need 200 of him in politics, starting a long time ago.
This was, again, a really clear explanation. The way you tell the story and the supporting imaging make these video's great to watch, even for non-pilots like myself. Your accent is a bonus.
If only...
AAF-191 had instantly leveled off upon loss of thrust from engine-1 , they might have stayed airborne . This should be SOP from now on , if it isn't already . .๐
Your kindness and generosity towards other pilots, and ability to always teach and educate is such a great quality.
LOVE this channel - I'm a nearly private pilot (missed out on last 2 hours of training for health reasons) and so enjoy watching this kind of vid, but you're by far the best at explanations of events and issues etc. THANK YOU!! :)
Hidden behind their screen, it's impressive how people got a Dunning-Kruger effect judging a professional in action taking the right decision...
Thanks Mentour Pilot to re-frame the context with your *excellent* explanations.
Ahh. Twitter summed up in a single comment. ๐
Excellent use of Chekhov's gun in the first run of the clip where you don't trim out the A330 landing from the clip :-)
As a fan of aviation, your channel is rapidly becoming my favorite on YT.
You walk through and explain things very clearly, elaborate on any complexities that may confuse the layman, your illustrations/animations/schematics are clearly shown and pertinent to the point, your narration is concise and relevant, and your pacing is excellent. I especially enjoy your crash investigations/dissections.
Your videos are just very pleasant to watch, even if they werenโt about aviation. They are professional tier, and youโre the only channel Iโve full notifications on. Keep up the good work. ๐๐ผ
I enjoy flying (as a pax), and only rarely experience uneasy situations on my travels. But I still find these videos so very reassuring, educational, informative, and useful (even to a non-professional like myself). Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making the content of your channel as great as it is! :)
I live In Frankfurt and as enthusiast I know a bit about aviation. This runway is used only for takeoffs and each time I was taking off as a passenger from that runway, it was a pretty bumpy experience.
I live right under the approach to 16R in Sydney (the longest one).
When the bigger aircraft fly over, late final, not only can you occasionally see the descending WT in near dew-point conditions, but you can also often *hear* and sometimes *feel* it.
The sound is basically what a vortex sounds like, especially a vortex hitting solid objects (as it moves downwards).
I'd describe it as a sort of hollow, hissing, air-rushing sound, trending to a broken rushing sound when the vortices (vortexes?) hit solid terrestrial objects.
Since discovering this, I've developed a much greater (already great) respect for wake turbulence!
When it hits you, (ideally you are standing on the ground at the time!) it basically feels like strange, strong wind gusts that instantly seem to vary in direction, quickly transitioning, for example from left, to still, to right.
Post some videos pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!!!!
@@billdurham8477 **Filming the air intensifies**
The beat replication of this effect is in a tiny home pool, the round ones.
Spin around for a while, going as fast as you can so the whole water in the pool is spinning reasonably fast.
Now stop and instantly got the other way for about 2 seconds. And quickly stop moving, stand still.
The disturbed flow of water will hit you about the same way, rocking your body from left to right about randomly and sometimes standing still.
Air and water are both fluids to it doesnโt come as a strong surprise.
But still a cool experiment for those who want and can try
@@billdurham8477 Good idea! I'll try to remember to whip out my phone on the right kind of day at the right time. It has to be calm, and near dew-point to see anything, calm to feel/hear anything.
I grew up in the Rockaways in NYC, directly under several climb paths out of KJFK, and I've felt this effect many many times. I just didn't know what it was until now!
Well controlled in a smooth timely manor, great professional pilots. I have this view due to other options being explained clearly and excluded. Then a detailed reason of what and why the pilots did. As an engineer I really enjoyed this. Thanks, brilliantly done!
I love hearing someone who knows what they are tallinn about explain
Thank you. Glad to have you here
In a world where everyone has an opinion and can express it thanks to social media, we have people bashing pilots when they have no clue what they're talking about. It really inspires confidence in me that commercial aviators do truly know exactly what they're doing and why flying is one of the safest ways to travel.
Great explanation. As a 737 Mechanic I was able to see and understand all of your information. They did the proper work for a safe take off. Some donโt understand V1. VR and V2.
Great teaching and support for the crew of the Air Maroc. Must admit my reaction was similar to others, but glad that things were laid out and to see that the pilots dealt with the situation with outstanding professionalism.
I immediately thought they must have encountered a tailwind that made them lose lift. But I figured it was a weather event. I never even thought it could have been wake turbulence from the previous landing jet. Good take, and excellent video as always. ๐
Great explanation. I used to rely on my former USAF pilot father for explanations like this. Now that he is in that great hangar in the sky, youโre the man. Just subscribed!
enjoy your presentation style, and likely enjoy anything you feel like producing, due to your standards and values. thank you.
Thatโs so nice to hear! Thank you!
Greg Knipe I totally agree well said!๐
I'd like to know who does the editing actually.
Extremely well done captain Petter! You are always so fair analyzing everything.
Great explanation of an unusual situation ๐. I've experienced wake turbulence in a Piper Cherokee 140 with fairly severe rolling... I never thought an airliner would be affected. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
At 11:51, the word you're looking for is "perpendicular", at a 90 degree angle. The word used, "reciprocal" means 180 degree difference.
Indeed, I was a bit puzzled on this one, but the airport scheme fixed it. @Mentour Pilot, your graphics earns BIG KUDOS. As far as I remember you have graphic artist involved. I wish I could know the name :)
You know what people with KRplus channels love? Dicks who point out minor mistakes in the videos we can't do anything about because you lot broke KRplus to the point we can't re-upload videos. It's one of those times in life where you're meant to keep your mouth shut.
@Eric Bishard High Five man!
Fantastic, for us armchair pilots it's so easy to see this and immediately think "what on earth are the pilots doing" Yet once it's explained by a fellow professional these two Morrocan pilots are clearly doing the correct procedure for these circumstances, and us armchair pilots suddenly have some humble-pie to eat.
Excellent analysis Petter...more of these please sir.
By armchair pilot you mean simulator at home? I wish I had enough gpu power, haha
Totally agree! I see so many people commenting, even on Bloody Sim videos โshould have gone round, should have rejectedโ. Show me how many hours you have on an airliner then come back. Fantastic video!
We are so quick to criticize. We're all experts. We all have a "camera" with us now with the ability to broadcast the pic or vid along with our two cents instantly. Mentour...you have done a stellar job analyzing this before coming to a conclusion. Thank you. We can all learn from this.
Really Great analysis of the situation Mentour. This is great. I had my mind on the flap setting but your revelation gave me some More insight.
Thank You๐
Not surprised about profesionalism of Moroccan Pilots ,they are Rock !!
@Del Monte hater
@Del Monte you never travel by plane fool
As a SEL pilot, we always keep wake turbulance in the front of mind when near large aircraft. Didnt realize its a real hidden danger for large aircraft too. It does make sense.
Just subscribed to your channel after binge watching your videos for a whole day. I'm not a pilot so I don't have any knowledge on how to fly a plane, but I am an engineer (and an aviation enthusiast) and it's really interesting to hear the explanations and steps that pilots take to ensure that these giant metal tubes can fly safely in the sky. I always learn something new from your channel, keep the great videos coming!
Great explanation. I'm very happy to hear that the flight crew performed perfectly in an unusual situation.
Couch pilots and those who over exaggerate events such as the media have gotten really good at trying to annoy those who know about the industry better then them.
Indeed. It doesnโt annoy me when people have questions, it annoys me when they present them as facts.
That observation is valid regardless of the industry. The media exists to make money--that's it. If the headline had been "Flight crew totally chill in tough wake turbulence" it wouldn't get nearly as many clicks (read, money) as "Airliner nearly crashes on takeoff--Is your next flight safe?"
Any media consumer needs to remember that the tone of any headline should be considered to be overly dramatic until proven otherwise.
Also really interesting is this incident happened in 2016... Why is it suddenly being talked about?
@@MentourPilot Put it on a T-shirt, I'd totally buy it. That's a quote to remember right there.
Here in the Netherlands, we have a saying 'De beste zeelui staan aan wal' which literally translates to 'the best seamen stand on the coast' which is a comment on this kind of thing.
I am one of those who saw this video a few years ago and judged the pilots incompetent. The foreign airline name added to my confirmation bias. Thank you for your work on subjects like this and for helping me understand this situation, specifically.
Good on you for being able to own a mistake, keep an open mind, and learn from it. If more people would act as you and accept that they are not perfect then this country would be in a lot better place.
@@lisanadinebaker5179 fax ๐
-Described ie: Precisely Cancel Culture methodology of irrational reaction based on limited, or biased information.
"Disagree, as so popular today, spread the word, Cancel, any company, any organization and the absolute worst, The Individual"... Canceled...
from Everything.. Forever ;}
@@blogengeezer4507 Ah, just can't resist tossing your failed political ideology out there on a completely unrelated topic, eh? E for effort, but it's an F- overall.
@@KrK007 totally related. It basically means, if youโve not heard from the accused donโt rush to judgement. Itโs bullshit to believe all โvictimsโ without hearing the full story
Since watching your videos, I've had to learn to appreciate not jumping to conclusions. It's something I've always tried to work on, but that I'm learning to put into practice the more I watch how you break down videos like this one as well as the incident where Air Canada 759 almost landed on the taxiway. (The Air Canada one was especially helpful - I was VERY quick to just go, 'How did these professional pilots DO this?!' and blame them - but it was so much more.)
It's just so easy to blame and assume but it quite frankly doesn't help anyone improve and doesn't actually explain 'why' a situation happened. It might be a little more work to break something down and dig into it, but it's pretty much always worth it because it helps us prevent it in the future or learn to handle it better if it happens again. Thanks for being a great teacher and as well as giving everyone a chance in your reviews and break downs. Great work and kudos to these pilots for handling the situation well!
This is why i like Petters Reaction videos. He explains the things professional and calmly.
Not to be cheeky or so, but i had a feeling it was something with the flightpath of the plane that has landed just before.
Funny, all I thought while watching the clip was "hmm, looks like something went wrong there, I wonder what happened" ... people really shouldn't be so quick to judge things
Thanks for restoring the pilots' reputation.
Great explanation. You're a wonderful teacher.
Great graphical explanation, thanks.
Really love this channel. The air accident series is particularly good - you're a natural teacher.
More on the way!
The way you are tackling the problematic, and all the logic and animations behind are just brilliant.
Despite being far from the business, i am actually a civil engineer, i find my self every time intrigued by the topics of your videos, so thank you.
Best regards from Marrakech, Morocco.
By the way, thank you for giving credit to the guys behind the "flaps" hhhh
Outstanding video! Thank you for making it and letting people know about the skill and cool-headed management of a very unexpected event. It's easy to see how the situation could be misjudged. Wingtip vortices are very real.
Thanks for posting. Love this!โค
The people who questioned the proficiency of the pilots owe them an apology.
Most videos didnโt show the entire video, I never thought ground wake turbulence could do that.
-The up-down wobble was indicative of air currents unstable at that precise point ;}
Thank you so much for your professionalism analyzing this incident ,I remembered it when it happened since am a Royal Air Maroc customer I feel so relieved ๐.
I was told that the Moroccan airline pilots are one of the best out there.
Great video.
I've never flown on Royal Air Maroc, but I've always associated them with the uber-professional carriers like Qantas, BA, KLM, Avianca, etc. Have only traveled to Morocco by boat from Tarifa. ;)
@@VisibilityFoggy don't. An absolute trash of an airline lol
@@moritlh u were never on it right??
@@weatherloops 1000%
Great explanation. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Great teacher! Your approach was logical & very well explained, Thanks!
This is a great teaching moment too as a pilot. I've basically only ever thought about and been taught wake turbulence in terms of the same direction of flight as the heavy aircraft. This would be catastrophic if the departing aircraft was a small GA plane.
Frightening to consider actually.
Hey I really like your new motion graphics and improved production quality, lighting and audio. Thanks for your hard work on these videos.
We are working hard to achieve this. My graphics creator and editor Dominic is doing a fantastic job!
Glad you liked it.
Absolutely stunning bit of flying there; I'm sure there was a heart-rate uptick in the cockpit: bringing the nose down, gaining speed knowing that if the bird didn't get airborne at 2nd attempt they were all doomed, and no doubt flawless communication between pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Great explanation here - thank you so much!
Yeah, would love to hear the CVR recording. "Whoa, what's going on? Losing airspeed." "Maintain... Must've been wake turbulence from that Airbus." "Lowering nose to gain more speed?" "Let's do that, we still have some runway. Better safe than sorry."
Followed by some sighs of relief as they left the area impacted by the wake turbulence and regained their previous airspeed. "Thank God ... I'll draft a report of this incident."
Thanks for the explanation, Mentour pilot.
Kind of ground level windshear then
Yep! Thatโs how it will manifest itself
your videos have tremendously increased in quality and on behalf of everyone who watches it i wanted to applaud you and tell you that your efforts are highly appreciated .... thank you
Great analysis of this incident. Vortices are very powerful. Man can experience their presence (hear them) on the ground when there is a metal meshed fence close to runways. They appear some seconds after the plane and give wonderful sounds! Thank you, Mentour Pilot.
Think you nailed it! There are a BUNCH of videos on wake turb crashes from planes that left many minutes before the crashed aircraft attempted to take off. That turb can stick around for a long time.
Awesome analysis on the video. Those of us who are NOT pilots would easily be made to believe the pilots in this plane had no clue what they were doing. When the truth is actually just the opposite.