TZEENTCH REVEALED! - Kairos Fateweaver, New Daemon Units, & Chosen Problems - Total War Warhammer 3

First part of the video is an overview of the Tzeentch roster, what we know, and a look at Kairos Fateweaver. If you want to hear me discuss the issues I have with Tzeentch Chosen and the mortal side of the Tzeentch roster so far, go to 11:07. Obviously we dont have the full unit roster yet, so things are subject to change, but constructive feedback is important

I just love Kairos Fateweaver. Every other greater demon is just a weaker reflection of his patron god, while Kairos actually has something not even Tzeentch is capable of with his view of the future and past

Oh man the nostalgia from that Yellow Turban Dynasty warriors intro. Top notch

I hope Kairos is his own Advisor, and half of his advice/quests are deliberately a bad idea.

100% agreed on the Tzeentch Chosen. I have high hopes for the designs for all the monogod mortals after what we saw with Khorne.

I really hope the current Tzeentch warriors are either placeholders or get changed to look more unique. Tzeentch has always been my favorite of the big 4 and I've been waiting 5 years for his forces to get added into these games. The daemons look amazing, especially the 2 headed birb boi himself, but the mortal units need the same attention to detail.

Flying lords like Kairos need to be able to land of their own volition. We need a flight toggle in game 3, especially for these lords.

Since Tzeentch is my fav chaos god, I'm also disappointed with the bland look of the chosen considering Khorne has some dope looking models, really makes you feel left in the dirt. That being said, I'm gonna hold my tongue until they do the official roster reveal for ol bird brain

One thing i want to point out, is that on the screenshot at 11:57 you can clearly see how the chaos chosen on the right and in the middle dont have their shields equiped, even though they are holding their arms as if they do have them equiped. Personally, i think that they are still unfunished, so we need to wait for an oficial reveal before we start to panic, cause it just may be an old build/work in progress stuff.

I am way more excited for the Chaos gods then the other factions atm!

I fully expect new models for all the chosen by the time the full game comes out. Ill be pissed if Nurgle and Slaanesh are like this along with Tzeentch while Khorne got all new toys. I don't think we should be angry yet though as they haven't even highlighted Tzeentch as a faction yet and may have just not been finished with the mortal models yet

I thought Kairos only had one head prior to being thrown into the well of eternity. Anyway love your content

"I watch you. I see the hatred in your eyes, well hidden behind courtly graces. I listen. I know the terrible darkness that hides behind your well-rehearsed lies. I wait for you at the edge of sanity. I taste the pain in your mind, the yearning to end this charade. I make my home in the darkest pits of your soul. In the shadows, I bide my time. I patiently wait for you to open your eyes and realise that it is by my will alone that you draw breath. For I am Tzeentch and you are my puppet who dances to my tune."
-Tzeentch, the Changer of Ways.

The thing that makes it seem like placeholder the most is that the helmet has an undivided star which I don’t think even gamesworkshop would allow since they’re devoted warriors

CA has to change those generic WoC warriors painted in blue. Imagine getting the very same models for Nurgle and Slaanesh too! By Sigmar noooooooooooo!!!

As a Chaos main and fan, I completely agree. Chosen and Chaos warriors are iconic and should be a specific for each god unit.

I hate that people don’t see the problem with Khorne getting unique modeled Chaos Warriors. Yet Tzeentchs Chosen are just tinted a different color. Don’t exactly look like Mutated Tzeentchian Chosen.

I can understand the frustration with the chosen models it is a big deal when separating each of the chaos gods realms. I don’t think CA is dumb enough to not make each chaos gods chosen unique in look. Hope for the best but they definitely need to announce this issue.

Yeah those chaos warriors in that screen shot have to be place holders, I mean they don’t even have shields.

absolutely could not agree more with the chosen and warriors in these daemon rosters. spot on bro

I'm so excited for Kairos, my first army was a Tzeentch army and I'm so excited to finally play them in TWW3. Awesome video as always.

Ah you made me think the "Enter the Realm of Khorne" equivalent for Tzeentch had dropped already with that title lol, oh well.

Chaos has been the real focus for every trailer thus far for me :3

Considering how strong magic is in TWWII, Birdman will probably be tHe mEtA

The changer of ways demands unique models for his faction

At the moment I still think we will get unique looking warriors for Tzeentch, and that these are placeholders for the Cathay promo.
However, I also think it is fair to be concerned by what we’ve seen of Tzeentch mortals in the trailer. And I think it is also essential to discuss it and bring it to CA’s attention, so that they know what our expectations are.

not gonna lie, I really want to see tzaangors and kairic acolytes in warhammer 3

I'm painting kairos fateweaver right now (along with the rest of my tzeentch army) and I couldn't be more excited for this

lmaooo the Dynasty Warriors intro, those games have a very special early 2000's charm to them

I think Fateweaver is going to be my first campaign in WH3. While Kislev will probably end up being my favorite faction, there is something appealing about our two headed Big Bird.

I'm fully convinced it is just a placeholder. If they were finished they probably would have let them have more screen time than a split second on a disc

I'm wondering how they handle the Kairos spell tree - presumably like Teclis with at least one spell of every lore, and a GAC equivalent, with at least one bound spell. They'll have to go very hard to make him feel a clear step above Teclis or Mazdamundi as a spellcaster.

i really REALLY hope ca wont forget gutskirts for nurgle warriors...

I have faith that CA is gonna do chosen right. I mean look at vampire coast, they could have kept zombies, but no, they gave us dickhands mobs instead. They act like zombies sure, but apart from some borrowed animations, they have some new ones, new weapons, animations to go with, outfits, colors, and many variations and part swaps.

The biggest shame about it is that from all the artwork I've seen Tzeentch Chosen and Chaos warriors have always been my favourite aesthetically. So fingers crossed they get improved before release.

Thank you so much for championing the Monogod Chaos Warrior cause. Each God’s mortals look really needs to be different visually as well as mechanically too.

Thank you for your excellent points on the chaos warriors! I agree, and I really hope for the changes. Good luck everyone, on getting our voices heard!

Top Tier Intro. Brings back many memories.

I appreciate how level headed you approach this stuff. Always happy to fanboy and fawn over the great stuff, but not afraid to politely call out the stuff that isn't so great. Wayta stay unbiased man.

Always love ur vids for more lore and info

I don’t know their pipeline, but usually you’ll be done modeling, texturing, and rigging by now in this phase of production for sure.
It’s one of the first things you do in the production pipeline soo….I maybe wouldn’t prop your hopes up.

Sooo cool how all chaos is being represented cant wait for this

You are absolutely correct my friend! The only way change will happen is if we say something about it now! And if there are people saying what is the point that says something about their character and they need to get on board. The only way you want change is either make it happen your talk about the change to the people who can make it happen. Keep it up my friend!!

I appreciate you pushing for higher quality products. I have been on CA's case for a while about that. Honestly amazed they haven't blacklisted you over it though. CA has a track record of reacting badly to criticism.

very good points man, thank you for the video

Yo Indy, do you have a link to the awesome wallpaper you used in the thumbnail?
I would like that for my desktop background please

Though i kinda think that they're different enough just by being blue i also think they should give more attention to their armours and effects. Tzeench warriors should have weird eyes all over

Tzeench was my first army. started with building/painting Pink Horrors who I have waited to see in game since the original. Can't wait.

Well spoken MCTW. Thank you for speaking on our behalf.

Seeing both pink and blue horrors on the field together makes me wonder if they're doing the splitting mechanic, or if they're making pinks one tier higher than blues.

Perfect Intro! Top notch pop culture references, as always :D

I appreciate you pointing out areas where things are just copy pasted. Each unique faction should get its own models. You're also absolutely right that you will get what you put up with. If we don't say anything how will they have any idea what we find important. Keep up the great work!

It seems we get more birds.

I do think they need to build Tzeentch Warriors / Chosen from the ground up (aside from animations, obviously).

I’m dying to see the Slaanesh roster. I will be devastated if the chosen for Him look and feel the same as the Undivided variant. They should be slimmer and faster and elegant af. I demand it. Slaanesh demands it.

It will be interesting to see the Tzeentch campaign builds to max out winds of magic for Kairos. Could be some crazy magic focused army builds.

This Great Demon Lord of Change reminds me of myself. Thanks for the insight

Great video as always, couldn't agree more about the mortal chaos warriors needing to be more distinct. Honestly I feel we should have had this since Warhammer 2 now and the fact we are this far into development into Warhammer 3 and they haven't even gotten around to making unique chaos armor when the new chaos factions were originally half the draw of Warhammer 3 is a bit confusing.

Indy where did you get the picture of the Dragon and Kairos staring each other down without the logo? I need that for me desktop background

In one of the screenshots, there are Tzeentch Chaos Knights (aka with Chaos Horses) in the background

As you mentioned early (and later on) in the video, there are some concerns.
One of my concerns is if Tzeentch will be able to properly represent its mastery over magic while ALSO being able to contend with other factions in terms of ranged combat since that appears to be the army's main means of dealing damage side from spells. Much concern for my favorite faction ;;

I think there's a more interesting conversation to be had about these (apparent) Chosen. They may just be Tzeentch Chaos warriors using the Chosen skin, in which case fine, but if they are supposed to represent Chosen, then we have to wonder why Tzeentch has gotten them when Khorne didn't. It doesn't really make sense from a thematic perspective, so perhaps it suggests that Khorne will be getting his own unique version of Chosen as DLC down the line, while Tzeentch will not. If they expect to be putting in equivalents to the AoS units for each god as DLC, then it would make sense that Khorne would be getting high tier, armoured berserker infantry while Tzeentch would be getting tzaangors and acolytes.

The great wall, im getting those vibes (remember that movie lol)

You know what would be rad? If they back-ported all the Disciples of Tzeentch mortal models from Age of Sigmar into Total Warhammer 3. It would not only liven up the roster of units in this game, but be a back-door pilot for bringing them into The Old World (whenever that comes out). It's not like it really compromises the Lore(TM) if Tzeentch cultists in that style showed up in the original setting.
Same with all the other Chaos armies from Age of Sigmar. They've all got their own sets of mortal followers, any of which could comfortably be brought into the Old World with minimal disruption.

That dynasty warriors reference is exactly what i was thinking when i see Tzeentch with all the flaming attacks.

Would be cool to see some Tzaangors and Tzaangors on a disc's

I agree with u about the lack of effort on the Mortal Units, but hope they sort it if enough CC's speak up. I do think that the Disc-Riders is nice addition and it also looks like Tzeentch get Chaos Knighs Cav.

This channel is the leading voice of the people!

I can't wait to play as the Daemons of Tzeench.
using battles are distractions, mainly just screwing around with other armies with my changeling heroes (if there are any in game)
just let them fight eachother.

Wait, where is that second part of that hilarious intro from? Was there another Cathay video or something I missed?

A very important distinction: none of the 'flames' in Tzeentches army are actually flames at all.
It's pure chaotic mutation energy.
If I recall correctly, there was a mechanical distinction on the tabletop also.

one thing you got a little wrong with Kairos's lore is saying he had twin necks *before* being thrown into the well of eternity. Kairos's head and necks splitting into two is supposed to have been one of the changes caused by being thrown in there.

Agreed, need unique models for each faction

Do you think you can make a video about The Lizardmens when they almost got wiped out because the first chaos spawn?
I just saw your video back from 2016 when you played with medieval II with a warhammer mod, where you play this kind of battle.
Its would be cool to hear the story, because soon we can play with Demons too. :)

I feel like CA just refuse to acknowledge the fact that people are just as excited for marked mortal units as daemons if not more. I know there’s plenty of room for DLC but from what we’ve seen so far the mortal units of the gods seem very underwhelming.

Completely agree. The daemons look awesome but the chosen should not be palette swaps. The comparison for monogod faction mortals to Empire, Bretonnia and Kislev troops was a very sensible one. Can't wait to see the proper reveal for the full roster in the future.

Might be the wrong platform to ask but we have reveal trailers for Korne vs Kislev and now Cathay vs Tzeentch. Could/should we expect a Nurgle vs Slaanesh trailer or will they be introduced individually? Would be kinda weird to have a versus trailer since they’re not direct rivals (Nurgle being Tzeench’s main rival) but not having anymore confirmed races for WH3 at launch doesn’t leave them with any clear opponents for a reveal trailer.

Guys age of reckoning is still around!! its called Return of Reckoning now and still has those awesome Chosen looks!

Will be awesome to see how they deal with Kairos being able to see the past and future but not the present. Equally he was the most powerful mage in Warhammer Fantasy so hopefully it correlates to ingame.

The Cathay Question has finally been answered!

considering what they did with the vampire coast and cathay, CA suddenly not being able to give actual differences between chaos warriors would be insane

With the chosen and that, i hope they go more on a "age of reckoning" as you say, just like with Khorne. They do have "tzeenchtian" options and ideas already, some of the WoC lords have visuals (helmets) that look fitting as an inspiration!
Still i am more worried about the blue horrors all being ciclops. It is cool to have some, ofc, but all? This can also be "placeholder", but still, few people seems to have noticed it!
Also.. I hope they split! In any case, i am loving the vissuals/feeling. Lots of fire, lots of magic, lots of color. Man, I wanna try them so hard! Haha

100% agreement with everything he said. CA is good at listening to us.

Also worth noting that Kairos was NOT Tzeentch's first pick to throw into the Well of Eternity, Tzeentch threw in a bunch of other Lords of Change and they never returned, ever. Not that "they died and rematerialized/were reborn in the warp" but these powerfull Lords of Change were snuffed out from existence, Kairos who was Tzeentchs vizier was essentially Tzeentch's last gambit.
Secondly, although Indy mentions Tzeentch "grabbing Kairos by his twin neck" Kairos actually didn't have his second head until AFTER returning from the Well of Eternity.

can't wait to play this force

I also hope we get Tzaangors at launch in some capacity as a unit/hero

pink horror precursor attack reminds me most of dwarven satchel charges honestly

I'm looking very forward to tzeentch, and I agree wholeheartedly that the mortal units deserve better.

Tell you what mate when the game is released I'll be looking forward to doing more amazing replays with you! upgraded KFC bird is gonna be soooo powerful.

It'd be a really cool mechanic if Kairos Fateweaver could never see where enemy armies are, but always where they used to be and where their current orders will take them. And seeing into the past, the location of the army becomes more accurate as the time increases.

Hear hear! Unique chaos warriors! Unique chosen!

I appreciate that people are making a big deal about the design issue. CA, I don't think the community means anything bad by our feedback, but we just want to see the best game we know you can make.

Ohhh yeah cant wait to overwhelm my foes with the power of The Great Birb!

That Yellow Turban meme was masterpiece

Didn’t expect a Dynasty Warriors clip at the start

god damn does the 16:45 chosen look so much better than what we've seen so far

I'm trying to think of how maybe they could differentiate armor aesthetics between the chaos factions and thinking on how each one's some what described and shown think I got a reasonable concept in mind when it comes to chosen units and heroes.
For Khorne, well the Warhammer 3 first trailer with Keislev probably had the closest to the what I think most of us would think when it comes to Khorne. Heavy thick broad plated armor with rigid spikes and with emphasis on hitting hard and staying longer in the fight. The armor drenched in a deep crimson color with some orange or plain matte black iron. Defense and armor piercing is their bread and butter, they stay longer and hit harder to get more blood for the blood god. Definitely see the skulls being emphasized heavily for them. Weapons bathed with dancing flames to add that little extra bite damage wise with thick broad spikes to have wounds bigger and drain faster.
For Tzeentch, definitely can see the blue tinge and with some gold inlay bordering or maybe obsidian inset as there was something about it having some dampening effects to magic. Might make Tzeentch's forces some what more resistant to magic should say Nergul's forces use plague based magic or other factions use the other schools. But the main armor I think would be more on the lighter side, probably closer to medium based like say breastplates and half-plated armor. Good for mobility and gives wide range of motion when casting, and in addition would consider more avian accents like feathered capes and shoulders and/or talon like shaped gauntlets with bird skulls embedded in a semi-collar like fashion a necklace infused into the armor. Might give chosen some limited spells like the wood elves got in the Twisted and Twilight DLC with the Zoats or the Coatl in the latest Silence and the Fury DLC . Nothing too crazy, but minor de-buffs and maybe one or two offensive options like plague of crows and such. Tzeentch doesn't strike me as one to fight straight up so his forces having access to weak variants of these spells makes more sense to me to give them better odds to holding a bit longer or taking the strain off the heavy casters so they can bring to bare their powerful spells to something a bit scarier like a dragon and such. And most if not all their weapons are magic based damage.
For Nergul, honestly can see that with heavy plate similar to Khorne with subtle to apparent differences. For starters don't see it as broad or as spikey, definitely on the thick side that's for sure. Instead see slightly more then average heavy plate looking closer to Bretonnia's forces, but instead of looking as well cared would be more like rusted and disheveled. Basically go to 15:31 on this video and pause it. Now the pic of the warrior on the right, take the main body of that armor and picture this in your heads. The entire thing looking rusted to all hell, bits looking some what eroded because of time and exposure. Now add some of that dampen green accents in the borders as some metals might get after years of exposure to the elements and water. The helmet, remove the horns or have wider set with minus the skull wreathed around the neck with bones and/or rotting flesh like fingers and/or toes. Now put a weapon looking just as badly aged and disheveled as the armor in the hand, slime covered dripping caustic like substances and giving a foul smell of rot with maybe hints of rotting flesh and bits of bone near the guard and hilt. A massive eroded block shield and these guys aren't made for running. But they are fairly tanky and have poison to slow and staunch any would be foe from charging or being able to retreat easily as they are slowly hacked to pieces with I can only imagine as the dullest looking weapon to make anyone want to call a doctor for a tetanus shot just by seeing how badly cared for it looks.
As for Slannesh, well that one has been the odd one in my opinion. Not as powerful built wise like Nergul and Khorne, but more intelligent and cunning similar to that of Tzeentch but not as powerful spell wise. The main reason I think this as I'm thinking from a tactical stand point what has always been the most effective approach to warfare. The answer is not always been firepower or numbers, but intelligence and cunning. While Tzeentch leans more in the intelligence I see Slannesh more on the cunning. Wanting to get in close and unseen before striking by either being alluring and/or stealthy. And before anyone jumps to anything let me explain, Slannesh tends to be linked with sexual obsessions and ecstasy. In truth the first trailer said they were about obsession, meaning excess. That comes in many forms ranging from physical like sex and drugs to metaphysical like power and authority. In that regard can see heroes playing a big roll for sabotage or some other action regarding to intrusion and possibly influence with minus to upkeep and actions like that of Skarsnik. Their armor base would definitely be light to medium, leathers and chainmail with maybe some half-plate. Giving most of the chosen infantry dodge with maybe increased speed and damage output like dual wielding weapons done in a theatrical flare of dancing and such. Might even give them some kind of special ability to consume something to have someone go on a suicide rampage or make the entire unit go in a frenzy of excess of pleasure at the sheer slaughter and terror they inflict that lasts for a few seconds but has costly effects afterwards. By that mean like they tire faster and have slight de-buff to damage and defense while recovering as most of us know hangovers suck and you're usually sluggish and slow to respond to anyone or anything in that state. As for aesthetics and accents, I see the gold trimming or even chrome like bordering. Definitely see barbed weapons to slow and cause bleeding effects as what is more fun then causing that extra level of pain. The slow effect wouldn't be as potent as Nergul's poison and the effect only lasts as so long as they are engaged and maybe a few seconds after disengaging as most of that roster would probably be fast as they need to be if they want to have any shot in surviving and winning.
Do apologize, this was supposed to mainly my take on what each faction armor should look like but it turned into this. That said hope this is reasonable to what think most would kind of expect and would like to hear any alterations and such to any of this if someone comes up with something better more fitting.

Aside all that, i wonder if they are going to implement the Horror split mechanic in some capacity

Were can i find the gameplay video you showed

Oh man dynasty warriors 3 👏 🙌🤙