The Wallfacers | Three Body Problem Series

Got it, so he would have taken them with us?

Hey Quinn, quick question, do you consider the "Redemption of time" canon?

It's all good friend your voice is what makes all this work.

@@loszhor The plan was to secretly turncoat to the ETO and have the mosquito swarm piloted by ETO loyalists. At the doomsday battle, the loyalists would turn on the Earth fleet and destroy them in a surprise attack. Then, as a sign of loyalty, the remaining loyalist ships would transport a mass of ice water to the Trisolaran fleet as they would be severely depleted in resources after the four century trip. At that point, Tyler would take direct control of all the mosquitos, rush the Trisolaran ships and detonate their H-Bombs in lethal range of them. As others in the comments said, he would've been a triple agent.

No worries. Great analysis/recap.

Are you a fan of Frederick pohl? I've been wanting Quinn to do some Pohl, but nobody knows who he was

Im 70 and have gotten many excellent recommendations from Quinn. I always enjoy the content. He is an intelligent and well spoken young fellow. Respect.

Bump

​@@RovingTrollNever mind that, have you any Heechee artifacts to sell?

@@skateboardingjesus4006 Nah, just this lame two-way spaceship with an unknown destination programmed into it

I came here to say the same thing. That was the whole ultimate purpose of the plan.

Yeah it kind of bummed me out that he didn't mention that.

Just the comment I was looking for. I do wish this was mentioned in the video as I remember it being one of the best Wallfacer plan reveals in the book.

I think that might've been an easy mistake to make. Tyler's interaction with his wallbreaker is only 4 pages (pgs 195 - 199 in the Aug 2015 paperback). In contrast the book spent several chapters using the public response to Tyler's plan to establish the public negative hatred for wallfacers, particularly the loss of trust.

@forensice459 I remember that he wasn’t actually persecuted, he felt that he deserved to be, but everyone else believed that his plan being released was actually part of his plan. The guilt and the pressure from being hailed as a hero while believing he was a horrible person drove him to suicide.

It has its perks as anything you ask for is yours

I would ask for a helmet that magneto used😂​@@burtknighten4438

Yeah I would pass for sure … I like to think I’m smart but unless I was able to brainwash myself with some seals … that would be a hard pass from me dawg

Not only that but the difficulty of carrying out the plan in complete secrecy by unknown individuals whose motives are not known. You would have to trick everyone into believing one plan while in reality it's failure was key to your real plan's success.

​@@upgrade1015 you're not allowed to pass. You're made one and that's your life. That's perhaps what's even more difficult to deal with

If it's unofficial...

If Luo Ji didn’t educate the world about Dark Forest I doubt the members of Blue Space would’ve come to the conclusions they did. Also I believe stalling Trisolaris for half a century prevented Trisolaris from hunting down and destroying Blue Space since the crew knew Earth’s location

I agree! And I'd also like to say that the fourth book was cringe fan fiction 😂

@@BrantMarcksson lol but it did the job in the end

@@omgjlmiub think its Galaxy that needed convincing ,bluespace was out of there from the get go. They ate their dead crew members to achive their goals of escape. Think that was evidence of the mindseal if any.

Yup was part of his plan to fool the wallbreakers & trisolarans, in reality he wanted to use the kamikaze swarm to blow up the trisolaran fleet, but only after sacrificing the earth fleet to ensure the trisolarans trust.

Exactly. He wasn’t a traitor. His plan was to act like a traitor to the absolute last moment to get his mosquito swarm close enough to the Trisolarian fleet. Once close enough he was going to remotely control all the ships and have them attack.

Tricelolarions don't understand deception though right?

​​​@Must_Do_Better
Correct, but their human collaborators DO. The only reason there can be any fight back against wallfacers is because of the ETO - the organization of human collaborators. Remember in the very beginning when ppl are recruited to play the 3 body video game, and then those players most invested are invited to a special mtg, where they are told the unstable 3 body world of the video game is real? They're told about the Trisolarans and why they want Earth and most of them decide to take the Trisolarans side: either because theyre bitter or cynical about humanity and want us to go extinct, or because they think the Trisolarans will allow those humans that help them destroy humanity to survive and join them. This mixed group starts the ETO not long after.

I clicked so fast.

@@UncleJacq I clicked faster

the show can do nothing but suck after learning about this book from quinn. Like I tell people the stories that he tells us.

​@@kblskables2877Go read the books yourself.
They're great books. But, I think you'll be disappointed.

That targeted virus was one of the spookiest things I've ever read.

I'm going to be honest, I despise this type of localization. The reason I've started to read these novels is so I can chat with my Chinese wife on them.
The idea the changed it to hide the concept of a future book, despite it being in the original Chinese release, only causes misunderstandings in between our two people.
It's ironic that the book also critiques this, and then the localization staff promptly did it.

So that's why it is unfamiliar when I watched 'Ball Lightning' situation in "Three-Body: The Animation" in BiliBili, it is actually in the Chinese Books!
I hope to read the original part of Frederick Tyler's plan in English

​@@FacesforceYeah that's really insulting of him to change that to be quite honest. Lost a bit of respect for the author after hearing this.

​@@whoaitstigerTBH it sounds like a publisher / marketer decision, rather than the author's necessarily. Authors typically don't have the final say.

@@quixotiq Well it's a common thing for the chinese government to make things a little dumber for the west. Like TikTok is totally dumbed down for western childrens, while very restricted and science oriented for chinese children.

Yeah it never made sense when I was listening to the audiobook for why humanity was so against leaving earth.

@@MyAramil
Bacause it was a "defeatism".

If it wasn't for the exchange between those two ships then Luo Ji (hard to say that without hearing 'my boy' following it lol) would never have understood the Dark Forest state of reality.

@@Unit-3475 I thought it was just pragmatism to me. They're not getting here for 400 years? Yeah let's build some ships and get the fuck outta here. Go to Alpha Centauri

@@aarondonald1611
That's... that's a Trisolaris system.

Same! I read the 3 books in 4 days non stop

I have completed reading these books for three times and started the fourth turn. And the original Chinese version is different from the English version which is less good

Just saw this last night. I really liked the way Saul immediately turns away, telling everybody “I’m not a wallfacer! I never signed up to be a wallfacer! I DONT WANT THIS JOB!”
And everybody smiles at him as if his denial is just a diversion.

You can also watch chinese drama named three body which I heard is a better and closer adaptation

@@malihaahmed9291 i have seen the tencent show and the netflix one is a better adaptation imo. and the pacing is good too.

@@malihaahmed9291 Arguable. While the Tencent adaptation is very close to the 3BP book, they added a lot of stuff and it really dragged on. While this is great for a book - it doesn't translate to the screen as well. It was still good, but it could have been ten episodes shorter.

In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."

Reminds me of the Spectres in Mass Effect.

This is my exact story. Except that I hooked only one friend. But second one is in the making already... It was just one yt recommendation to Quins video about a dune.

The Wallfacer project was interesting.
Project Swordholder was a plot crutch to undo what had been achieved.

@@Unit-3475 meh. I enjoy things more.

In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."

And then as soon as he "retires" his plan falls apart in a few minutes. I love it

he is the only character that doesnt fill me with rage when i think about their actions. except for the police officer who accompanied luo ji through time

@@adamlouis3725 In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...

@@yuyuan7204 chinas numbers around covid deaths are absolute nonsense

@@adamlouis3725 you just make me laugh. go and see what is the ture world like. As long as you come to China once, all your doubts and negative impressions about China will be broken.

I hadn't read any new science fiction in almost 15 years until Quinn's videos rolled across. Now I've got more fiction on my shelf than textbooks for the first time.

It was my favorite book in the series. Unnecessary? pish posh!

The bit where the woman holds her baby up as New Europa is being squished so it gets another few seconds of life 😢

And he is ultimatly failed.

⁠@@Unit-3475Only by his successor.

@@Unit-3475
In my opinion, Lou Ji didn't fail in his role in books 2 and 3. He succeeded in posing a constant threat to the Tryangle throughout his life, and [spoiler]: he continued to be a menace to the Tryangle even without being a sword holder, even when Sophon couldn't read his mind.

@@PhuongLe-kv1hy
Luo Ji failed because although he developed a deterence system, he did not think through how it would work without him.
The result was the worst strategic decision - ONE SWORD-HOLDER.
And no any contingency protocol.

@@Unit-3475 you was right but to my view point:
the main point of Lou Ji plan is to keep the balance between Human and Tryangle in his life time and if you read book3 he was success untill The sword project change to next character. The Tryangle choose that time to attack because they know Lou Ji no longer a threat. If he had to do anything to prolong his threat to the Tryangle, they will change the tatic, it could be a different scenario.

They're explained in Death's End.

Those stories are really really smart

Can you elaborate? I must’ve missed it in the book

@@alexpacino1 Beihai's plan was to capture a ship capable of interestelar travel and pilot it to another star system. He killed several scientist and investors in space to asure that a fussion drive was not the main of propulsion of hummanity's fleet and later he succesfully captured the Natural Selection and escaped, baiting four more ships to chase it just before Doomsday Battle.
He died when Natural Selection was attacked by Ultimate Law in a effort to asure the survivality of that vessel but UL was destroyed by Blue Space in the Battle of Darkness. All his efforts resulted ultimately in Blue Space and Gravity escaping the Solar System and granting hummanity a place in the universe after the Dark Forest attack.
I consider him the most succesful of all Wallfacers, even if he wasn't nominatelly as such.

that is correct.

I thought I just misremembered Taylor's plan but that's correct! Taylor was planning to remotely detonate hydrogen bombs on the traitor ship once within range of the Trisolaris fleet, convinced they would bring water after the human ships attacked other humans.

his plan was to attack the earth's fleet and then present a gift of water to the trisolarians. Once his fighter fleet got close enough he would remote control the ships into exploding in the middle of the trisolarian fleet.

@@TentaclePentacle Someone else explained in details and only now I understand this - there is a difference of this plot between the chinese and english versions of the books. In Chinese version, it is the ball of lightening/quantum army, but it is changed to kamakazi attack in the English version. Hence my confusion.

@@DannyChean how is the ball of lightening/quantum army suppose to work? Earth doesn't have any quantum technology due to the sophon lock.

It’s coming soon to Netflix as a series

Just don’t consider bad adaptations as ruining anything. It’s not like they only have once chance to get it right. A popular IP can inspire many new adaptations every few years.

@@ecbrown6151 by the same guys who ruined Game of Thrones lol

this serie seems so dumb. They're all suicidal traitors with stupid plans it makes 0 sense.

Tencent has a tv series on the first book, all of it is on youtube.

Ya because nobody reads

Tyler's story is totally different from the original version in Chinese.
They had to make up a new story for Tyler in the English version,
because in the original version, his strategy was heavily dependent on a theory and scientific discovery in another Cixin's novel "Ball Lightning".
which happened in the same universe but many years ago before three-body problems.
Most of western readers who didnt read this novel probably wont understand it.
To be honest, I dont like what they did with Tyler's story, it just doesnt fit.

​@@huaninglyu7372Oh wow I had no idea about this change? Could you elaborate a bit further on what the plan in original chinese version was like?

@@miguelpereira9859 The search for the Kamikaze fighters is the same. And the last minute backstabbing is also the same.
the difference is, In the original version, the plan was to use a special kind of weapon from "Ball lighting" , carried by the Kamikaze fighters, backstab the Earth fleet at the last moment, turn the entire Earth Fleet into a quantum form, in a state between existence and non-existence, alive and death. He put his hope on this quantum ghost army still be loyal to their mission after this. And this quantum form army become capable of defeating the aliens.
To understand this better, I strongly suggest to read Ball Lightning, its an awsome novel anyway.

​@@huaninglyu7372 wait this is a much better plan than the western translation 😮

we dont want unpredictability, we want assurance that the sword holder will push the button when necessary. her problem was the same as every other female in the series; shes a stupid, naive, useless world ending idiot

In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...

The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...
"Humanity does not thank Luo Ji..."

@@yuyuan7204 china's real estate is collapsing and it makes up a huge portion of their gdp

​@@yuyuan7204yeah yeah China number one okay 😊

Savoir of Humanity

In fact, there are many things discussed in this book, including the Cultural Revolution in China in the first book - and some scenes in the subsequent two books actually resemble the Cultural Revolution. But I find that many Western readers just think of the Cultural Revolution as "ugly China" and don't think deeply about it.
The British neuroscientist failed because he had too much power, and Taylor failed because he did not have enough power... In fact, when you say that Tyler should have succeeded, have you considered the wishes of those who were sacrificed by him? What is more important, the victory of humanity or the morality of humanity?
China has long been contemplating the pros and cons of totalitarianism, and in many cases, totalitarianism may not necessarily be a bad thing. Dictatorship is similar. The ultimate failure of Luo Ji in "The Three-Body Problem" is because not only did the Trisolarans live under his deterrence, but Earthlings also lived under the same threat. Earthlings resented Luo Ji's dictatorship and ultimately stripped him of his position as the Swordholder.
Regarding the Cultural Revolution in China, as depicted in the first book of "The Three-Body Problem," how do you view it? The Cultural Revolution was not sparked by Western media to tarnish China with “communism.” It began with the aim of overthrowing those who exploited the people, but eventually morphed into a situation where anyone who was better off than others was targeted.
A similar scenario occurred when humanity, dissatisfied with Luo Ji’s "dictatorship," replaced the Swordholder, who should have been decisive and ruthless, with Cheng Xin, who they saw as a representation of "truth, goodness, and beauty." However, in reality, Cheng Xin not only lacked deterrence against her own people but also lost it against the Trisolarans.
During the COVID-19 pandemic in the previous years, the most popular phrase in China was "Humanity does not thank Luo Ji."
It is known that the medical conditions in the United States are better than in China, and its land area is about the same as China, but its population is much less (indicating a much lower population density). However, in these years, due to the pandemic, over a million people died in the United States, while in China, less than a hundred thousand died during the initial outbreak, and thereafter there were hardly any significant changes.
A large number of Chinese people's lives were saved due to the government's mandatory policies. But many people crazily attacked the Chinese government, believing that the government restricted the freedom of citizens...

For real. If it wasn't for him, humanity would have ended (except for the two gals that did escape, and the brain dude that got shot toward the Trisolaran fleet, forgot his name lol) after the flattening of the solar system.

@@adventurefaps9571
I hate her so much.

@@adventurefaps9571
And yet his name is not mentioned in any video for this trilogy!
It's like talking about Christianity and never mentioning Jesus.

Define 'survive'. . .