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Major problem is developers/publishers are making us pay full price for unfinished games, and then don’t properly fix the issues post release.
Nailed it!!!!
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Ain't dat the truth.
This dude nailed it 👌 and plus the fact i miss the times to where when u actually play the game for the long time u can unlock stuff with in game money instead of the loot or gacha system
@Multi it never will sadly.
Yeah for sure. A big problem to me is that games are focusing way more on being addictive for the sake of your dollar and play time than actually being fun.
Aye team aps in the building!
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Than Just Download Them 'Illegally' Like I Do
Addictive my ass lol
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Look how far y’all came, so proud of you guys to get a feature with t-pain.
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In all honestly I feel like t-pain would actually love to talk with them
This t-pain is an idiot lol
‘Smash 4 and Ultimate are the same game to me’
‘Battlefront (2015) by EA is a good game’
Shouldve given more time for Ben and Dylan the ones that play the most variety of games
@@premium-juicebox def them two play pc games an console
What does he mean by “GTA RP”
11:36-11:38 Mark Expressed that emotion for the whole community 💀
L take
This was the comment I came here to find 🤣
ON JESUS SANDALZ😂😂
That take was so bad
It looks the same but if you played it you could tell it feels hella differently
Games were SO MUCH fun back in the day when we used to play after school with friends either online or together in the same room. Those days!
Yeah I'm moving towards indie games I'm hearing positive stuff about it but triple A games are chalked
Maybe its not the games it could be u cause your older lol
nah u were just a kid
But that’s nostalgia hitting you
It's nobody's fault that you can't go to school anymore and play games as a stupid kid who had no responsibilities. Ofc everyone would love to be dumb and in their mom's house playing with their friends
Respect to Mark letting everyone hear Dylan when Dylan was trying to talk in multiple moments.
tf u think Dylan is
@@Zane1004 I’m sorry, did I disrespect your man crush?
@Oh Yeah Yeah coward.
@@Zane1004 Dylan is way too laid back to be heard in a convo like this. He ain't the yelling over people type.
@Oh Yeah Yeah L profile pic & name
As a 33 year old schoolteacher...I legit just play what I can and for self care. My backlog is immense but I go at my own pace. Currently tackling the two Ori games on Switch. And Final Fantasy 14 has been phenomenal for self care to immerse myself in something away from real life for a bit.
Mega upvote, if I could, for stating FFXIV. That game just makes me forget about real life, just wish I had more time now than I did before though.
Some people already said it, but I feel like the quality of multiplayer games have definitely gone down or stagnated. Single player games though are still really good and getting better over time. Spiderman, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, Zelda BoTW, etc. The cutoff was 2015 up till now and all those games came out after 2015. Also there are a lot of indie games like at dead of night, Dandara, etc. No one mentioned VR games and everyone mainly brought up multiplayer games and ignored the single player category in this video. There's a LOT of good single player games that are complete at launch.
Between microtransactions, loot boxes, releasing games half made, cruching employees, taking out base game content to rerelease as DLC, the gaming community becoming bigger and more toxic and entitled, games costing $70 now, yearly releases of the same game, live service games, the soul being taken out of the industry, and straight up work place abuse.
I can safely say gaming has fallen off. Games are still the best entertainment medium imo but the industry has really taken major steps backwards.
Yes
Yeah and now the feeling you can get when playing with someone even either like online or offline, now is more likely to be online and that just kinda feels dull when you can just do that with friends you don't irl and that just doesn't hit the same anymore playing the game but not in the same room together
The only point I can defend is the $70 price tag, because games have been the same price since the late 80's / early 90's, so that's just over 30 years of inflation they haven't accounted for, and the cost of making games has risen yet the end product remained the same price. Even then if you game on PC there tends to be regular steam sales, humble bundles, and more that let you get pretty steep discounts on them if they aren't given away free by epic.
I agree with your sentiment but I don't agree with how you phrased it. Gaming is more popular then it's ever been, so i'd hardly say gaming as a whole is "falling off", but i'd say the quality of video games is falling off. Although once again it depends, Nintendo is built different, their games tend to avoid the modern problems with games like microtransactions and DLC (not to say they don't have those, but they're more supplemental, you do not need to buy them to experience the full game). A good example is xenoblade 2, it's essentially a gacha game, where you try and collect rare heroes by opening what are essentially loot boxes for a random chance of getting what you want. The big difference is that it's all programmed into the base game, you essentially collect loot boxes while you play the game, and the game has a system where if you get really unlucky with your summons, the game will pity you and increase the odds of finding rare characters. It's definitely a similar format to other gacha games, but it's designed so instead of paying for every individual lootbox, you just buy the game, and then have to find every single loot box by defeating enemies or exploring, which is a fun and creative way to implement gacha game mechanics into an RPG. It does have DLC, however is it essentially an entire new game, they designed a whole new world to explore and completely changed the combat system. The DLC is so different from the base game that Nintendo even sells it separately, as in you can buy the DLC by itself without buying all of xenoblade chronicles 2. My point being i'm a massive nintendo fan boy but for good reason, they're just better at making games then everyone else
I think all of these points support the perspective that video games are NOT falling off. I feel like the definition of “falling off” to you and them in the video is “I dont like it, so it’s falling off.” “It’s not as fun as games when I was a kid, so it’s falling off.” “Companies are money hungry, so it’s falling off.” If the definition of “falling off” is simply your personal opinion, I feel like the debate is pointless lol if you tell me that you don’t like games nowadays as much as you did when you were a kid, I would say, “Ok, that’s cool.” What is there to argue? Lol kids playing games today are going to complain in 15 years about how videos games aren’t as good as they were in 2020. That’s just the circle of life
Story driven games are making a comeback. Games like Ghost of Tsushima, Detroit: Becoming Human, infamous 1,2,3 . Are amazing games that people sleep on
I love Infamous so much
Couldn't have said it better 🐐
Nah fr sum of these story games be fye
True
Far Cry 3-6, Horizon Zero Dawn…
T-Pain got it backwards. It's not the consumer's fault that we've been force-fed microtransactions and in-game purchases for a decade. The fact that Dan Houser left Rockstar because Take Two only cared about GTA V online is proof of a cash grab, not innovation.
The point is that if they weren’t successful then they wouldn’t do it. If the consumer stopped paying for them the industry would evolve past it. Because it’s still making money they are just going to do it over and over until they have gotten all the money they could from it.
It is the consumers fault. Stop buying it. Why would a corporation stop putting out what sells? The company as an entity doesn´t care about outcry if you keep paying for it
It is consumers fault. y'all have the power to say no but don't.
I disagree, if I ran a gaming business I’d be more concerned about the bottom line than broke mofos moderately complaining that I’ve added micro-transactions. ESPECIALLY if the micro-transactions are showing a considerable uptick in revenue in my cash flow statements.
In other words, not enough people are opting out of buying for it to be worthwhile to go back to an old formula that paid less.
Is it the company’s fault that it’s been added? Sure, depending on what prompted the change (there could be other economic and logistical factors that demanded them to increase revenue on games that they can only produce once every year or two). Is it their fault that micro-transactions still exist? Nah, if consumers demanded against it, they would’ve reverted back.
CP made the most valid point. It is the consumers that are falling off as they really and truly have the power to influence how games are made
That's true. People have power with their wallets
Naw dawg the devs are just getting lazy
Bro Madden 24 literally promised to be different after the consumers literally made a stand. Guess what day 1 early access nothing worked
Not really
Idealistic bullshit
Indie games is a huge factor that is being ignored here and a reason why video games aren't falling off (as hard). There are more people coming in and creating new games with heart and passion.
I was just about to comment something like this. I've been leaning towards indie games a lot these days. It's kinda like going back in time in the sense that indie developers have that hunger and passion to make a name for themselves.
Many of The AAA game series we know of had to do the same thing when many of us were growing up. Now many bigger companies have become comfortable to the point they know what they can get away with because many people are familiar with them and in many cases very loyal for better or worse.
on console tho? Let me know something. Cuz I ain’t getting a pic lol
@@borrowingair you can definitely download them on consoles, but I'm unsure if they have hard copies of those games. I don't mind just downloading. I don't know what console you have but you could probably find indie games like: Hollowknight, celeste, cuphead, Ori, shovel knight, Sonic mania, Hades, UnDErTaLE, etc.
@FuckOuttaHere if you think indie games are the same shit then you haven't been playing alot of indie games
@@lspuria8440 sonic mania an indie game?
There’s gotta be a part 2 of this specific segment. There’s a lot that y’all can discuss about different gaming franchises and what not.
facts
I like it when people say "and what not" lol
It just elevates them.😂
“Why would the companies innovate when they know we will buy the patties and condiments later?”
This is true not just for video games, but for most commodities on the shelf today.
Hit the nail on the head: Game companies have innovated their mouse-trap to earn as much money as possible over a longer period of time.
At the age of 28 most of my gaming was done in my teenage days and early 20s. Gaming has changed since we were young I grew up off Jak & Dexter, Call of Duties, Halo, super Smash, Need for Speed and even World of Warcraft. These companies made great games back then and what was sold was just the game. Now things have changed and the youth didn’t have the same experience that we had all they know is buying half a game and buying the rest of it later through DLC packages and other in game content. No one cares about making a good story line or a great end game experience that doesn’t make them as much money but what does is the micro transactions. The kids don’t know better cause they never experienced those low res captivating games. Games have fallen off because the way in which these companies acquire there money isn’t through the game why reinvent the game and make it more captivating off rip if when they can break it down over 3 years and you still gonna buy it. Stock pricing going up shareholders are happy they don’t give a damn about your experience they want that cash. It’s all about micro transactions sadly.
Daxter dagnabbit, DAXter!
Sorry I'm a super fan and that bugs me.
Completely agree bro, and for reference I’m the same age.
Once greedy capitalists came into the picture profits started trumping the art
Couldn't have said it better myself 💯
@@dapperfan44 you were right to correct me. I feel ashamed that I made that mistake. That game was everything back to me in the day. Especially Jak 3
Not all of them but yeah
I think this back and forth needed a hardcore gamer, I haven't heard the argument about any indie games, the creativity is insane with those early access games nowadays, you can't just argue with Cod, Halo, BRs, Among us, etc.... RDC plays games casually and they play very specific types of games (nothing wrong with that) BUT there are many many more genres and games you have to take into account when discussing this.
As someone who mostly plays single player games, both indie and AAA games are still hittin' for me.
@@Marku912 Yes definitely, God of war, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, FF7 remake, Zelda Botw, Fire emblem three houses, Astral chain and so so many indie games on Pc have been some of the best experiences I've ever had. Story telling has come a long way
@@ArrancerLord it doesn’t need a hardcore gamer just people that play games, out of 1000s of games that come out a year, 3-4 have replay value
I don't think you need to play indies to be a hardcore gamer. It really depends more on time investment. If I spend 40 hours playing Candy Crush every week, then that would make me a hardcore gamer.
Besides, indies just keep mimicking 2D Zelda, 2D Metroid, Earthbound, Mega Man, and Minecraft with some little quirky psychological narrative. The ones that get too creative end up getting mediocre reviews. I wish they would make some more 3D collectathons and 3D Zelda-likes because there's a severe drought of those amidst a market over-saturated with FPS games, BRs, live service games, and 2D indie platformers.
@@Trinidaddy_Gaming indie games are more than just pixel retro games. Nowadays, you go on steam and look up indie games. Song of Farca, Mutazione, Artful Escape, Midnight Protocol. All games that don't copy old school games and are completely original and innovative just like people want. The problem is, mainstream gaming pushes FPS, fighters and sports. Therefore, people aren't even aware of the tons of games that aren't AAA that exist.
I think it really comes down to enjoyment and memories. Games these days have had peak storylines, have pushed for maximum fun, have had amazing graphics, and top tier music, but we aren't the same kids anymore that got home from school and rushed to play whatever game we got. Our choice of what we invest time into has changed from middle school days. Games haven't fallen off and probably won't for the foreseeable future with titles like God of War: Ragnarok, Elden Ring, BoTW 2, The second spiderman game, and many other games.
That’s a raw reality. I wish I could enjoy games the same. I just simply can’t, I have other focused
I don’t believe that for a second, games are worse now
@@TheMastermind729 it also kinda depends on which genres you look at. Fps games I’d say are worse now gameplay and story wise but single player and indie games have far surpassed older games. It all depends on which games, genres, and teams you look at.
@@orange9911 I agree, I think the main split here is between single player games and multiplayer games
I'll disagree with one of those. I don't think I will Ragnarok Was that good. It felt like watching a movie with way more cutscenes than it should have rather than being an actual game
this should’ve been a whole 2 hour long podcast, was not nearly long enough to dive into any of the points or topics or get any true conclusions. This topic is a big one !
These guys need a whole ass podcast 4+ hours. Very entertaining and knowledgeable about the topic.
I’d say yes because a lot of the huge publishers that use to be respected like Ubisoft, Blizzard, EA, etc are constantly shooting themselves in the foot with garbage water business decisions. They’re all worried about how they could make the most money while being as cheap as possible.
Fans overhyped CDPR because of Witcher 3 and put them on an impossible pedestal, and because of that, I believe Cyberpunk suffered heavily.
Konami use to be loved by everyone but then they decided to shit on their best dev and jump out of gaming almost all together. Now we’ll most likely never get another Silent Hill or MGS ever again.
Now, all games are just copying each other and it’s honestly so damn boring. Almost every shooter has a battle royale in it and while some of them are good, that doesn’t mean we need all games to have one.
Like them or not, right now it seems the only ones putting out anything worth any money are Nintendo and Sony but even these two have issues as well.
I disagree, it’s mostly AAA/multiplayer games dropping the ball. Many indie and single players games are still going strong. Rdr2, Spider-Man, God of War, and many more games are still incredible. There are still tons of indie games that are better than many AAA games.
Overall I think the majority of AAA companies have turned their focus on money rather than quality. Also multiplayer games are just following trends and just releasing games WAY earlier than they are ready. But there are still a lot of good quality games out there.
@@thatonedude6596 Yeah it’s easy to say this generation if your just looking at surface level stuff
@@thatonedude6596 Yeah I’m not saying ALL games are falling off, I’m saying most of the big publishers are and because of that, gaming as an industry has dropped in quality. I almost put Square Enix on there but Square has a 50/50 track record while also putting out the greatest MMO on the planet.
Games that are under Sony like Spider-Man, GOW, etc are the exception since Sony prides themselves on having those standards. Rockstar is cool too but the problem with them is they aren’t releasing anything. From 2013 to 2018, they didn’t release a single game up until RDR2. People have been eagerly awaiting the next game in the GTA franchise but instead, we keep getting GTA V over and over. Hell, they didn’t even bother to make it look like a next gen remaster for PS5 and Xbox.
Indies are always going to do their thing but alot of indies are overlooked simply because they are indies.
It's the big triple A companies that are dying because they refuse to make games for the consumer, they make games to please their shareholders. The future of gaming is in small, independent development teams that are funded by the consumer, not a bunch of old men trading stocks who've never even played a video game before.
Thats so true about the copying each other. We will never get another game like Metal Arms or Old school ratchet and clank, Perfect Dark, Mario Strikers, Mario Sports Mix, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, Halo Trilogy Sonic Adventure 1&2, Sonic Heroes, Mario and Luigi games
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As a game developer myself. Streamers are the #1 cause in my humble opinion, followed by casuals. Take my word here: Streamers play games for WORK first and FUN second... remember that.
I've seen many streamers look at games that they admit are fun but due to playing it giving them less viewers, they resume the games that "work".
So A LOT of developers now make games with streamers in mind, which is why theyre often invited for closed betas, etc
So, even if a game is good.. if streamers dont dive on it, most of you wont hear of it or care to play it - humans are also social beings and most gamers want to play games that "are being played". Also, most people dont play games for gameplay these days, they play for rewards.. basically "STUFF".. I cant tell you how many comments I get like "Game is fun, needs battlepass" and my brain just shuts off because I never thought players would ever request that but truth is, CASUALs are the majority -> Casuals want stuff -> Streamers drive revenue -> Streamers only play whats entertaining on stream.
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Do you know what could easily fix the problem? If a bunch of big streamers or content creators decided they were gonna go out and just try out a bunch of non mainstream games and play them solely based on if their having fun and not 'viewership count'. A bunch of new games would get a chance in the spotlight and itd show developers that hey, it's okay to try something new.
But as it stands, most sane developers wont "innovate" because its basically financial suicide.. like it or not. This is why the best games now are clones or franchises - nothing "new".
Highly doubt thats gonna ever happen and its not important enough for anyone to nag their favorite content creatores about either... sooo... its what it is.,
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From now on all Back and Forth videos need to be at least 1 hour long because this one of the best series in my opinion !
There are some insane good games recently, Ratchet & Clank rift apart, spiderman, tales of arise. Meanwhile other triple a games are turning out ass and i dont even know why companies can't get their crap together
Because we (the consumers) can’t get our shit together
Ol dude said it, because majority of people will buy shit anyway, so there's no reason for companies to do better
Tales of arise is absolutely amazing! One of the best tales games I’ve ever played
yh, insomniac are doing wonders with their spiderman games. I have even heard that there will be a wolverine game made by insomniac.
But y'know, I will never forget that one spiderman game. I mean, I forgot it's name but it was soo good at the time I played it. You know that meme, where spiderman walks depressed and it's crazy shit happening in the background. The name is Spiderman web of shadows (found it out), and it was such a long time I played it, but it was super fun while I played it.
Feels good to see another back in forth y’all personalities so entertaining 💯🖤
*I make entertaining videos as well…*
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@@Dc3Chris No...you don't.
Would love to hear Ben, Dylan and Leland on this topics more often. Those 3 are playing alot of variety of game genre's and they’re are pretty much fan of Sega and Nintendo.
Yes I'm like Dylan wanted to say more bt couldn't. At one point Ben and Dylan was just talking to each other.
@@melissagreen714 Cp talked over everyone
Yo this discussion type vids are the best! Loved thiis video
There are a lot of indie games that are overlooked, I have like 150+ games of interest just because of indie and so far none of them have disappointed. We are just too used to the big triple A games.
And those games are usually the most underrated with replay value
Agreed I find myself going to Indies more than AAA big budget games..
Any suggestions?
I like PS exclusives like God of War, HZD. Others like fallout.
I prefer open world games.
@@tremiller6839 Hollow Knight
@@tremiller6839 red dead redemption 2
I need to be on this show cause like there is a lot of points they could’ve hit in favor for modern gaming.
I’ll admit that Triple A titles have been lackluster and predatory business practices have flooded the market, however to say that modern gaming has fallen off because of shit Triple A releases is short sighted. Cause Triple A companies aren’t the only one making games!
We live in an era now where small time creators can create masterpieces and don’t need a publishing company to get it out to the people, while you can say that Ubisoft and all these big companies are garbage. You got indie developers making great games; FNAF, Cuphead, Rocket League, Among us (Even if the hype is gone, it was still a good game), Fortnite, PUBG - I’m sure even more titles.
These indie games are pushing the industry forward and keeping this community alive, hell a lot of these games - without nostalgia - are on par or even better than a lot of retro games that we had in the past. Cause they allow the creator the most creative freedom, you can get as a gaming developer.
So I don’t think gaming has fallen off, I think it has evolved passed Triple A developers and you know what? We as fans should start supporting indie games more; stop giving attention to broken products and start praising these underrated games and getting these people jobs at these studios. Then maybe we can start focusing back on giving Triple A it’s reputation back!
I 100% agree I play Indie games and Story driven games all the time. The point that they made is that no one really has the time to play these types of games because they have jobs, they would rather play something casual like 2k or COD.
Good points.
Straight up agreed! Hades, Jenny Leclue, Duck Game...I love playing indie games. There have also been bigger games I really like: Insomniac's Spiderman, Overwatch, Zelda BOTW, Mario Odyssey.
However, I also agree that we can kind of blame the players themselves for the failings of some of the big AAA games. I can't imagine paying for a game where most of it is DLC after the fact. Hell naw, I pay for a game once! Plus, those are also the mad problematic companies full of abuse of their workers in general, and s*xual harassment in particular. You want better games, don't but the shitty ones just because they have the hype/money to be all in your face.
Lol I bet none of you are over the age of 22 games were way better back in the day across all genres
@@base-vegeta3611 You're high. You mean back then when every game was a licensed game based off a show or movie? The generation that gave us hundreds of medicore games based on Disney movies or Upcoming movies? 😂 take your nostalgia lenses off my dude.
Imma keep it a stack, I only watch y’all’s channel for the back and forth series. It’s 🔥🔥🔥
This is my first time watching Back and Fourth I really enjoyed the Video game conversation and I felt like I was in this conversation. I hope you do more video games topics
Man even their guest are entertaining to listen to, best KRplus channel on the platform
Being in my 20s now games just don’t hit the same as they used to. Companies are money greedy & i feel it’s hard for companies to come up with fresh new experiences. Also being a casual on competitive games is tough due to people spending way more time on games and having access to way more tutorials as opposed to the past.
Yeah same and I don't have time to deal with it or get sucked into a game purposely designed to be addictive. Seeing kids steal their parents cred1t card to fuel their Genshin Impact addiction is just sad.
Same here bro :(
Same. I thought I would never stop gaming but as the years passed(I’m 20 now) it’s hard to even find a game with a GOOD STORY! The last game I brought was The Last of us 2. I think the game before that was Kingdom Hearts 3. It’s hard to find games if you a story driven gamer like myself that still want good graphics
You should check out indie games
Well, its not that games are Worse, its just that we grew up. Back in the day i could play a worm gay for hours on end, today i can play red dead redemption 2 (an amazing game) and Get tired of it after 1-2 hours. Its just your attention span that changes with age imo.
as a fan of rdc for years this is my first back and forth ep and im in love lmao bought to binge watch this entire series lowkey the most underrated rdc series
We need an updated version of the topic you guys were speaking about in the first Back&Fourth
I think y'all should have defined "falling off" before getting into it because the discussion was all over the place imo. It seemed like one person defined it as sales and everyone else was talking about completion at release and replay value.
Sales obviously has an influence on what the companies are putting out, but the question is "Do we like what they are putting out now compared to what we are used to?". Blaming the consumer for low quality games is a copout. Companies that are built off quality should be aiming to make quality products.
For me the answer is NO lol. They are releasing half of a game and making you wait and/or pay for the rest. On top of that they are releasing major titles that are very glitchy. 2021 was pretty bad for gaming imo, for me, non major titles held it down this year.
Facts ! I felt like the smaller name tittles rlly shined last year. Although do you think it’s only bc major tittles flopped or are non major tittle games rlly stepping it up?¿
@@xostopplaying603 i feel like it could be a mix of both but more towards smaller titles, games like astral chain, dragons marked for death, even before 2021 those games were a step up for the usual smaller titles/underated games even though they still ended up getting overshadowed they still manged to shine untill then, for bigger titles it's more to the fact companies themselves usually have a deadline which is why games sometimes get delayed since the developers themselves may have not been the one to set the release date.
Kingdom hearts 3 is a game i can remember being in development for years without a known release date since the developers were able to take there time and give it good quality, though i guess it still depends on the genre which may cause one thing to have more priority over the other something like a actuall quality game, currently some big titles are cashgrabs as of now but the rest are fine so for me i would say for the most part that no some games aren't really falling off, but for the rest well they're whether it's cuz they decided to be/have a cashgrab, lack of quality, lack of what games are known for, etc.
@@cjm1242 I waited for kingdom hearts 3 to come out for all those years, and when it finally did the experience was not worth those years of waiting. The visuals and smooth running of the game was all thanks to the new engine they built it on. When it comes to the actual content of the game though, the best part was the DLC boss fights that cost another $40. The storyline, the level of innovation, and the replayability all missed compared to their previous games.
@@maxlarocque4066 EXACTLY!! like they could've added more to it but they didn't, it would've been the greatest Kh game if they let us customize the color and design of sora, Donald and goofy's clothes, add more playable characters to free roam with, add a few more worlds, make kh1 and kh2 sora playable as skins, same with riku, kairi and Mickey, add Olympus and underdrome tournaments but I guess that's too much to ask
Yeah, and I dont think I agree with the “replay value” definition of games falling off because “replay value” is hella subjective. I feel like the only way to measure if games are “falling off” is to measure how many people are buying games. So sales seems like an obvious place to start when measuring it’s fall off-ness lol
I like how Mark pointed out that it's the players fault that Fortnite got bad and not the game itself because it's still a fun game but barely any player plays it to have fun, they mostly play it competitively.
True
Got people building whole skyscrapers to kill one player. That’s crazy!
True, I hopped on fort nite after like 6 months and it felt like a different game because of how everyone was playing
Also to add to that point the community can be very toxic which really pushed a lot of people away
Mainly because comp has been getting easier Through the year and pros starting to fall off in skill and unknown players are getting better and better and they been Foucsing on console comp and pc comp since the new season
Great Guest. Never heard of em so it’ll be cool to check out there channel. And as always… good to see y’all scraping again 🤣
I thought it was my age but then recently I played "Dreamfall: The Longest Journey" an xbox original. I had soooo much fun playing this single player immersive masterpiece. Soundtrack, plot, vibe. It came out right before the 360.
Then I played another classic, Beyond: Good and Evil. Had. Similar experiences. So I noticed how much I enjoyed those two games over most all of the new ones.
Also there are new good games that aren't as popular.
Single player games are evolving. There’s a lot of games that I’m really look forward to playing. Multiplayer games however, yes they’re falling off.
Fact pvp just gone
They need to make single player story mode games Online CO-op w your friends
Kingdom hearts DMC 5 FF7
U should be able to be the sidekick to your online friend
Agreed. I don't even think multiplayers are falling off, they just aren't evolving. And really it's hard. TDM and domination were the biggest changes until Battle royale. Now that'll be the wave for another 5 years until something else pops.
@@tremiller6839 battle royal killed cod. Fortnite killed everything by making shit seasonal instead of letting us rank tf up
@@All0utj3rk DMC5 has a multiplayer mod on PC that's good.
So many good story games. Spider-Man games, Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, Mortal Kombat, etc….. but you could debate about shooters. That’s up to person to person.
Lmao did you say mk has a good story?
Jedi fallen order was OD asf
Swear it made my winter 2019 fun
Dont get me started on Spidey. I still play both today..
@@4yahwey275 It’s pretty much a masterpiece compared to literally every other fighting game out there
@@zangoon4546 agreed, but the story..... I don't know about that it's bad to medium. Still one of the best fighting games so i don't care.
@@4yahwey275 That’s what I was thinking. Mortal Kombat is one of the last things I think of when I think of a game with a good story.
This is by far thee best video they’ve posted, loved it
Love the point about streamers affecting consumers. I think that extends to esports as well. It’s def discouraging being a casual gamer sometimes. That’s not saying streamers are bad at all though.
I definitely think multiplayer games are falling off. The rise of top tier graphics and single player games with awesome stories are shinning rn.. shooters are definitely falling off. Especially those without a concrete eSports . Fighters imo will never fall off, that community is just so dedicated to the grind and the culture. Riot games is making all the right steps in taking a serious move to film and fighters, they have decades of data at their disposal to make the right calls. And even if their IP isn't too hot they still treat it with care and diligence. Just look at LOR
Bro I hard agree riot is very good at world building which gives their games a good amount of depth
Souls like games still bumping, I feel like it's just the games they're playing. All black ppl want is 2k Madden cod and fighting games, meanwhile the other 9 million genres and games go unplayed. Speaking of souls like games, look at bloodborne, sekiro, elden ring, etc. Games that aren't unrushed but still use the same concept to improve upon the last game. It's just that they're looking at cod and all these other games that are rlly hard to innovate with. Rat mentioned destiny 2 and how it still innovates after so long through seasonal content and dlcs that actually completely change the game, but everyone talked over him.
Edit: Speaking of souls-like games, elden ring releases in less than a month. Fromsoft ain't missing, I did play the network test so I can confirm that after 6 years of waiting, goty 2022 is finally releasing
@@eventhoughimaloserandavirg3279 nah Fr almost everyone at my school got a ps4 or ps5 and they don’t play it cuz they say games are boring now when all they play is sports games and cod
Single player story driven games are fallen off too the good ones are far and few between. Because these companies know the cap on the amount of many they can make from these types of games is far lower then multiplayer games. There are good single player games God of war still going strong and spider man was very good. souls types games are always nice. But games that use to have strong story modes before multiplayer was as focused on as it is now don’t have them any more. All the older cod games have good stories and so did the older Halos but now they focused so much on the online and multiplayer that cod literally came out without a story mode one year and Battlefront two didn’t have one at all
Yes! Multiplayer games out of all types of games are falling off the most and it’s sad to see because people like playing with their friends/other people! We need more high quality and fun multiplayer games!
I feel like something that's ruining games now is that everyone wants to play online. Nobody tryna play couch or offline no more. Ever game has to incorporate some sort of online pvp feature for people to play it and it gets repetitive and boring quickly.
That’s because it gets boring real quick playing on your own 🤷♂️story modes are simple and boring sometimes
@@eveliosolache3500 I call cap on that. Have you ever played breath of the wild or super Mario odyssey? Those games are creative and masterpieces. To say story based games are boring is just biased not gonna lie
@@tweezyswag2943 Those are single player games. Lots of us need multiplayer games, online stuff is usually focused on multiplayer which it should.
@@tweezyswag2943 Agreed.
I wish we could do more couch/offline! I see co-op/multiplayer/party games and I get excited because I love to have friends over for game nights. But then it turns out they're online only, you need like two separate consoles to play or whatever, and it's so disheartening!
It makes me feel so bad for multi-kid households. Like, my parents only ever had to buy one console/game and my siblings and I could all play (Smash, old Halo, Mario Party, Pokemon Stadium, etc). Now it feels like for a lot of games each kid needs their own console/game. Parents can't afford all that, wtf?!
21:09 I 100% agree, i cant chill in battle royale anymore, as soon as i sit back, im back in the lobby
omg we finally got good audio on these !!! hype
When all you play is war zone, 2k, and Halo you can’t really have a compete take. Games like Control, Persona 5, Valheim, Hades (and lots of other indie games) are great. Sometimes we pigeon hole ourselves. Instead of waiting for the CODs and Borutos of the world that profit off of our nostalgia (because old COD and Naruto were great) gotta look elsewhere and give them our money instead. That goes for fun action games too. The big name franchise SOMETIMES sell out, which is just a chance for other companies/names to shine.
Fax
Yeah I highly agree, in the last year I decided to try out new franchises instead of mainly mainstream/AAA. I tried dark souls 3, hades, Star Wars: Fallen Order, risk of rain 2, some metal gear solid games, rdr2 and many more. I have to say i have had more fun in these games than I have in the majority of of the recent multiplayer/AAA games like COD and BF2042.
Damn my nigga woke up and decided to speak facts.
@@thatonedude6596 I actually think all the games you mentioned there are great but they are certainly very mainstream, I love ds3 to death I have gotten all achievements for it but the soulsborne is extremely mainstream especially with elden ring coming out, same with fallen order and rdr2
for me, i’d have to say I agree *multiplayer* video games are dying out because of the heavy focus on micro transactions and now, instead of releasing a full finished game on launch, releasing a half baked one and barely adding any worthwhile content over the course of the year till the next one comes out, like cod, 2k, madden, fifa etc.
I feel like it’s definitely a generational thing. Cause games now, mostly single player/indie games, are still pretty innovative but it’s the multiplayer games that are mostly copy and paste. As I get older I see myself playing a lot less but mostly cause I don’t have the time. If I was younger, I think I’d be pretty enthralled with gaming.
That’s what I’m saying. Watch in 10 years they will be saying fortnite was amazing
@@vi2935 It was to start with. Then it became too sweaty and corporate where now every franchise seems to be in it. It lost its charm
Facts I'm STILL playing Devil May Cry on a consistent basis. Especially the 3rd and 5th.
@@spendsshanks6050 sure but that aint what niggas will be saying in 10 years
don't believe your feeling 😅 Resident Evil a single player game since 2005 or above dk, but still remake, its not about generations, its predilection or finding them fun
I loved that y’all did a great job being passionate and fiery, but letting everyone talk.
This is a debate thats been needed for a minute. Thank you RDCWORLD1
Games aren't worse. That's just nostalgia talking. You're remembering the good. Not the bad.
Games aren't worse, they're just so similar. Play one BR, the next ones the same with slight differences, shooters all the same, mmo's mostly play the same with different story and lore. It's more stale now as far as versatility and differences between games in the same genre
@@youngsimba6737 I think they tryna make the game for the next gen. Not our older gen
There were a lot of older games that were good it does not always have to be nolstalgia games in my opinion were at their peak at around the 90's and early 2000's and that is a fact sure there were some bad apples but a good majority 90% games were all great. Also there were far more genres booming too we had tons of platform games, survival horror was at its peak, arcade, beat'em ups, jrpg's at their peak, way more game series from mega man, castlevania, Klonoa, and more there were just much more then and way more enjoyable characters Koudelka it goes on and on. modern games while there are a few I cannot really find anything that blows me away much nor any real series to really get invested in. Not to mention OST's and music in older games was a lot better too.
They are talking about only shooters, fighting games where these logic of dlcs, microtransactions, season pass or so applies. Look at lot of other game companies where they release quality games better than they ever did before. GoW(2018), BotW, R&C:RA, SM(2018), Persona 5, Tales of Arise, Metroid Droid, DMC5 just to name a few. These games are franchises but the latest ones are higher quality anything they made before.
They probably don't play single player games anymore lol
YEA MAN. if you want to argue quality talk Fable, Uncharted, Stars wars knights of the old republic, mass effect, Devil May Cry, ... Then talk new generation as you said Persona 5, Metroid, Cyberpunk (which was ass), Far Cry Series, Witcher, Assassin Creed there is more but i'm just stating games. They needed to expand their game titles, or they need to expand the games they play. But this was definitely good episode. But if all you play is shooter or fighting games (talking about RDC world) , the conversation becomes limited.
@@neji9012 I mean I’m pretty sure they played more single games they used to talk about it a lot in their old vids but I think is just that is like people don’t have that much time no more
@@jvn956 if they did , it would of been Nice to highlight it . Cause the script stayed on fighting games . But I get you my G ! Stay up all love
Devil May Cry 5 had people popping off because they simply added Vergil. How are they gonna tell me people don’t care.
You guys should do a back and forth on which console had the best lineup.
I think the place to keep an eye on is the indie scene. While there are TONS of games in that space, and many are different types of platformers, top down action-adventure, etc like so many past games, what this really does is force devs in that space to innovate to stand out. So while lots of games will release, this makes those really stand-out titles shine even more. Hell, even indie horror is heavy on the ps1/sega saturn style visuals at the moment, but there are still a lot of good experiences there despite the same visual style being emulated so much. What we really need is indie multiplayer titles to come up in the indie space more often. I understand the cost of servers could be taxing on dev costs, but it can be done with funding from the public the same way people fund Fortnite, etc. Skins, founders memberships with included access to betas, etc, etc. etc. I could go on and on with ideas in regard to this, but the sentiment is there that as long as the public at large funds AAA, we will get the same AAA games every damn year.
Games haven’t gotten worse. The good ones are just harder to find. I think we get 1 maybe 2 triple a games worth playing nowadays and past that you gotta go indies. There are so many great games out there that just don’t get any press. They are right about sports games. The supply is always gonna be low bcuz of licensing and we’re at the point with football that you gotta go back 1-2 gens to get to the last good one and I still don’t think 2k has matched 2k16 and that was 6 years ago
Deadass still play Madden 09 on PS2. Better than any Madden game in the past 8 years
I play mostly Indies nowadays, but some AAA titles I'm excited for are mostly coming from Sony. That Wolverine game looked dope asf and the creator of it is Insomniac they haven't missed yet.
Bro you just contradicted yourself in the first 2 sentence. Triple AAA games used to be good but now they’re making incomplete, soulless games. But yea 2k16 was definitely the last best 2k
@@jjking8577 Do I think we get as many good AAA games as like 2001 or 2007? No. But we still do get legitimately great ones (BOTW, Odyssey, Red Dead 2, Witcher 3, Spider-Man, Smash Ultimate, Doom Eternal, Sekiro, etc.) and we get tons of great indies. My point is that the total number of games that come out is way higher and that the good ones are really hard to find as a result.
@@patclearly Witcher 3 ain't AAA my guy
Something I think is a big problem is that there’s a lot more expectations for games today imo. People think because we have the new systems games are required to be more advanced, problem is that game development, while it’s better, is also much harder than it was. Building a full, quality game today that has modern graphics and story takes a lot more than most small game development teams can handle. The only groups that can make major games are big game development corporations and they’re just in it for the money, unfortunately .
Edit: I realize that there are games that have done well despite being very simplistic, im more saying that as games become more advanced in general it will unfortunately limit making advanced games to big development companies who have the budget to spend years developing a big game like that. It’s limiting to indie devs knowing they don’t have the resources to make the type of game they may want to make.
Biggest facts.
Excellent point, but I for one am willing to take a downgrade on graphics for a great overall experience. 🗑 in 4k is still 🗑 but a 🐐'd experience pays for itself. Franchise fatigue is real & people want something new which is why even games like 2k have taken a hit. Sales were normal but people aren't binge playing like in pass iterations.
That's just excuses at this point
The indie gaming market is a testament to how untrue OP's statement is, and the Matrix 5 gameplay demo that released recently is a further testament to it; how it had some of the best graphics in gaming but the gameplay was repetitive and wasn't that fun. Hell, we have AI in our GPUs now that calculate the hard graphics stuff for us. Blender is easy as cake to learn, I figured it out in less than a day. There is no grandiose expectation for gamers. Just the expectation that a game can actually play, and it plays well enough that you become immersed in it.
I love videos like this😭🤣I wish I had friends to talk about games like this
This is probably one of the best back and fourths I've seen from you guys. Although I am with the group that says the video games industry has fallen off as a whole, I do understand where the other side is coming from. Hell, one of my favourite games of all time came out in 2016, but I count that more as a guilty pleasure and an exception. It's genuinely an interesting topic to debate and I think it should have gone on longer in all honesty...
If you were playing games from the late 90's to early 2000's and were also around mid-high school age, you had it good. Games were big but not 'board of directors' big. You were a kid but old enough to understand a lot of the darker or more complex things in games that hooked you beyond gameplay mechanics. This was our golden age.
So true, my brother was 18, dad was 41, & I had just turned 7 in 2003. On my birthday my dad bought me my 1st Xbox & first 2 video games. Metal Gear Solid 2 & Crash Nitro cart 🤞🏾❤️. The games in the early - mid 2000's were the best. The first call of duty trilogy were the best all the way to 2014. The halo trilogy was the greatest.
SO TRUE DUDE, I rather play CS 1.6 than CS:GO, it's still that much fun.
Hell yes bro. I played lots of StarCraft battlenet, quake 3 UT2k and CS. Those were my standards all through high school and I feel privileged to have experienced the golden era of gaming.
Arcade days
Games back in the day challenged you to think logically and try to figure out strategies to overcome obstacles that were extremely difficult. You were rewarded with secret endings, secret stages, unlock things pertaining to the character that made you a million times better or play as a secret character. The feeling u feel after beating a game was legendary. You sit and ponder about all the bs u went thru to get to the end. You felt proud to say I beat this game, you had respect for the game and u may try to master it bc it had high replay value. One game I will say killed my desire to continue was NBA 2k22. I did what seemed to be impossible which is level up to 99.9, Max Badges for my build and Season. My Player still misses shots,videogame engineers leave it up to you to still try to greenlight or get close to it to make shots. You literally have to be wide open to make shots in that game and thats if you time your release really good. Your level can drop under 99 if you lose games online, it's ridiculous. Where's the reward in that especially when NBA 2K is collecting money from consumers to make 90 level builds and up, they don't care. So this is the point that Mark, Leland, Ben and other guy was trying to make by saying videogames have fall off.
You compared single player games to multiplayer games. Multiplayer 100% has fallen off,but new single player games are so much better than old single player games
Been stopped playing 2k last one I had fun in was 17. They really make u pay 60 for the game then another 50 to upgrade your player or he will be trash as hell
@@wannabeafricanboy5779 I agree
That never went away, the internet just ruined it. Instead of trying to figure stuff out with your friends like back in the day, you just look up how to do it on KRplus. The advancement of the internet has ruined most of our entertainment/media. I'm not saying the internet is bad, it's just that it's a huge double edged sword.
Games are still challenging, you just gotta play better ones.
This series underrated for real❤️🔥
That first guy was right about people wanting instant gratification due to short attention spans. I can’t even bring myself to play campaign modes nowadays so I only mess with fast paced multiplayer games. The other part about people needing to boycott these trash companies for there to be change is true too.
@@NostalgicHearts Movies and games are not the same. One you watch and one you're immersed in whilst taking control/making decisions etc. A lot more thinking/reading is involved with games.
@@kurokaizen1889 PlayStation games are literally movies with gameplay idk what you on
@@kurokaizen1889 "Movies and games are not the same." Tell that to kojima
These fucking bots man
@@viviennewestwoodruinedmylife When watching movies, you aren’t doing much than sitting and seeing. While playing a game, you are making sure to control your character to progress further into the game.
I think the reasoning gaming is falling off is because of streaming and shared content. Nothing is a surprise anymore anytime a new element is added to a game it's talked about and streamed on instantly to where things don't feel like personal unique achievements rather than doing it to become a completionist. As to when you say movies are getting better it's because their is still that intimate private experience with the content. You don't see people leaking content on movies or it being streamed/reacted to which leads to better quality experience. Anime falls off because of this currently but movies still hold that privacy factor.
games just get leaked constantly. And people are so toxic that you would be watching a cooking video and someone spamming leaks in the comments 💀
Facts
Nigga wat, streaming and KRplus gets the word out on the games and expansion’s. Streaming has been a thing since 2013 on all games. People love seeing there favorite streamers play there favorite game and to play with there favorite streamers.
I dont think that's it. I dont even watch streams and to me games are falling off
@@ValidX1 nobody said popularity isn't there. Satisfaction in games has decreased because of the over saturation of content being put out there. Most people feel like since they've gotten the answers they play to complete instead of enjoy and discover. Most games have ruined that discovery phase because access to highest tiered features you ether bought through a pay wall barrier or found internet walkthrough or hack for it.
The fact that he said “nobody wanted boosted jumping” for cod & forgetting how titan fall shock the shooter genre proves CP’s point in how games are good but y’all need to vote with y’all wallets. Even the casual point was on point. They are trying to make fighting games more casual it’s happening slowly. Rolling thunder
I love yall and every video been fan for almost 10 years now I wish to meet you all one day.
Multiplayer based games? Yes slightly, popularity is high yet quality isn't. Now Singleplayer games are alive and as great as ever. ANYTHING by From Software (Dark souls/Bloodbourne/Sekiro) comes out complete and great. The Witcher series, Ghosts of Tsushima, and Nier: Automata are others that are good and enjoyable without needing dlc. The problem is people are mostly playing the same games yearly and don't give more singleplayer games a chance.
i have 108 hrs played on FFXV, 67 hours played on pokemon lets go pikachu, and about 90 hours on fall out 4..... yet since 2018. ive put over 2000 hours on fortnite, over 350+ hours of rocket league, over 200 hours since the release of new world MMO, and dont get me started on call of duty franchise and gta Online.... im sorry but solo games offer a small and momentary thrill that quickly fades. but multiplayer games have that element of simply playing with friends that cant be replicated. players who only play solo games honestly imo are just ppl who had trouble in either making real friends or in choosing them. that aside, these giant video game companies absolutely exploit our need to be social and to hang out with friends. so they give us the same crap year after year because they know we want to play with friends. so obv after a while the quility becomes shit
@@hilarioherrera2961 Lol they can be replicated. Couch co op is way better than online multiplayer. Multiplayer games are mostly trash filled with garbage micro transactions and terrible game loops that offer little innovation
Ppl allergic to story mode bro lmao. Ppl start a game and immediately jump online. Online gaming is really was dropped the quality of alot of games.
I honestly forgot CP was on the “not falling off” side bc a lot of the points he made could be used for the “falling off” side 😂
Dude was on both side and no sides at the same damn time.
This video is like RDCWorld vs CP
Dylan was on point when he said the games just aren’t hitting.
I always love this series. Really makes you think about some fun stuff. For me, I think a part of the problem tends to be access to the internet (for certain genres) just because it spoils so much of what could be really cool surprises. I've started making a point to play games blind (the temptation is there though) and I think I've been enjoying them a little more that way. I do agree that the DLC mindset seems to make developers complacent about the quality of their projects on launch since you can just patch that later. I also think that there is too much urgency with release dates. Once they open their mouths the clock starts and you gotta get the people a new Batman game in the next 12 months.
Yea I agree big time. The introduction of the internet with things like Twitch or even KRplus I think damages the replayability of any game that's popular. I'd say games don't stay fun for as long when they're thrown in your face everywhere you look
Deff, simply the internet and that people give certain genres a chance is the source of popularity in games and in every entertainment
This Back and Forth was a really good episode, loved hearing the arguments that were told on both sides 🔥
That Sawamura pfp tho 👌🔥
@@rage3437 you already know yessir 🐐
@@icecoldjo57 aye put me on gang tf is that anime bro😂?
@@ykshefwziash Diamond no Ace, anime is top tier
@@icecoldjo57 word I’ll check it out, thank you
The fact they converted Back & Forth to a podcast is genius. Damn.
I think there's 2 pretty major factors (they aren't the only ones though)
Back in the day, most games were all new, as in they hadn't been done before, either that or they were upgraded/innovated, and you've got these fan based trying to get new versions of the game they like, like new things to do but with the formula being so similar people are getting bored of it, that's why when you get a game that's so different these days it becomes a hit
And the second is companys aren't changing the formula, because of the fact that they need money so they make people buy all these DLCs and stuff, a lot of which you should get for free. Before, most games would give you all this and all that, 100%, and if you wanted to pay for more than you'd get more but you'd always pay for the full product, but companies are trying to get the most money out of you so they do all that if you want to play your favorite franchise or genre of games, so you can get something "new" out of it, and where a lot of new games fail is that "new" stuff you're paying for isn't actually really new
Ayyy yall back at it again, I just got into these back & forth episodes, so glad yall are still doing them
I make entertaining videos as well..
It just uploaded how u comment n hour ago
@@jjhudson1816 I’m thinking the same thing😂
Video games are falling off especially AAA
@@jjhudson1816 I don't understand it either 😂😂
Skyrim, ff9, ffx, Zelda Ocarina of Time, & the Age of Empires are my games that still bring me pure joy. I bounce between those 4 every time I turn on my systems. Lol
First time watching this back and fourth format love how you guys really get passionate. There are good games just got to look elsewhere Breath of the Wild is surely one of the best games I have ever played.
12:44 mark saying "Oh my gosh..." after that is too funny
I'm so glad that they're collaborating with these major celebrities. I like how they even got T-Pain to come on the show 👏🔥
yeah it's crazy to see T-Pain on this show
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29:25 Dylan hit it on the head right there. I'm not giving any passed for this lack of innovation, that's what innovation's supposed to be. At least unexpected. We got whole degrees for game development now, there's formulas for it, like Mark said just a bigger industry altogether. I think that might be stifling the creative process a little, maybe. But Ain't no way a fire original idea doesn't exist among all those resources. There's just prioritization on what devs know will sell, and that's not it.
Man yall didn't talk about Single Player games at all. A lot of those joints are going crazy. Ori, Ghost of Tsushima, LOU2, Spiderman, God of War, Halo Infinite campaign, It Takes 2, and the list goes on.
@@Millz1101 yoo that's what I was thinking the whole video!! There wasn't much talk of older rpgs like infamous or devil may cry but I get it, there was a big audience for what they experienced through their lense too
@@Millz1101: Agree, except for LOU2. That game sucked imo.
@@tigervalley62 absolutely entitled to your own opinion. No hate here. What didn’t you like about it?
@@Millz1101: Gameplay was fine, but story sucked and thats what LOU is known for. The Story. So yeah, again. That's my opinion, not hating anyone who enjoyed it, just wasn't my thing.
Special guest were amazing
Happy new year
Everything CP said at the beginning is what I tell people about games and the decisions of gaming companies today. That burger analogy was great. And I also say what Mark says about parents just buying games for their kids.
Yeah but Mark's point is just "make a better game".. like bro WHY would they even try when people are still gonna buy it?. They're gonna do the bare minimum and get away with it. Look at EA.. still going strong despite it's reputation. I've never been to the RDC house but I KNOW... there's atleast 10 different EA sports games in that house.
I feel like this convo would’ve been better with a smaller group. Most of these arguments that were made have been the same ones we’ve been fighting about for years. The Star Wars reference was actually valid but I wish I could’ve heard from Ben and Dylan more. Other then that another great video!
LLJ
This was a dope discussion. I also believe games aren’t the same as they used to be. I understand dlc is a good way to make some extra cash but some of these companies are getting too comfortable releasing incomplete games needing patches immediately, barely has any real content or hides the real fun stuff behind pay walls. This needs to change.
Y’all have to make a part 2
Regardless, it’s just good to see good debates without any negativity or berating. You guys are genuine and good role models for kids to look up too, love being a follower for all these years.
I recently started bingeing these back and forths🤣 they didnt seem like my thing at first but I love this content now. Keep it up!
2018 was probably the best year in gaming history. I've been alive for every Nintendo console generation, nothing compares.
True😔
Anyone know where to get the big poster in the middle of the room it’s 🔥
This is why I like to play smaller indie games honestly, Beat Cuphead on expert mode and pacifist mode and was satisfied when I did it because that $20 I spent went to days of fun. Enter the Gungeon as well.
I can't get with side scrollers and platformers in this day and age, I feel like we are so far beyond that being the best of the best, and it only shows how bad the current state of games is when a game that could've come out twenty years ago is is considered one of the best examples of new games.
@@Super_Broly Sometimes you gotta go back
i recommend you try out deadcells next
I recommend y’all play Remnant: From the Ashes. It’s genuinely one of the best games I’ve ever played
@@Super_Broly Not really, I don’t see how either type of games undervalues the overall quality of gaming. Are you saying Platformers and Sidescrollers are outdated? Because I can name a few that could have not been made 20 years ago.
“Back & Forth- Saddest/Best Anime Back Stories”
Bro no can we move on from anime for once?
@@4yahwey275 ofc this was just an idea that came to my head
@@blubnds oh my bad bro i just hate that they cover alot of anime back and forths just for it to circle back to naruto/dragonball
So true about games. It's not that they've fallen off, it's just that the target audience is gonna consume regardless so they'll just stick to what works. Same thing happens in cinema with the takeover of superhero movies being the biggest at the box office so studios will keep rinsing them for a guaranteed bag rather than going in another direction where you aren't guaranteed.
*So you'll still get quality in mostly games that know their target audience won't go for that. So you'll get blockbuster games like God Of War, The Last Of Us, Ghost Of Tsushima etc carrying the quality level while the yearly releases know they can churn out games like McDonald's and people will still buy. Be it COD, 2K, Madden etc
That don’t change the fact that they fell off tho, either way games back then were better products, both things can be true
@@jaredthegamer369 Oh yeah no doubt 💯💯💯, both true and probably a whole load of variables beyond that, I was just laughing at the frustration of the audience buying into the same rinsed concepts meaning companies know they can play it safe and still make bag that's why I compare it to like the whole Marvel era of cinema, safe guaranteed IP ends up being cash cows especially with live service games. So people will constantly buy into these microtransactions filled games that end up being more of an online store than a game coz all the loot box and battle pass nonsense is an easier bag than like other genres like single player story games etc 😩😂
I wish these was longer
These back and forth videos are cool to watch, didn’t realize RDC did videos like this. Engaging discussion and some good points made…keep it up fellas 👍🏻
"are AAA games falling off" is really what the title should have been considering you only brought up big-name titles. Not that the indie scene hasn't turned into a toxic cesspool of early access bullsh*tory. Also, I think yall have a twisted view because you make gaming content so it's in your best interest to play the big titles every time they come out. So you experience all the nonsense that's happening in the industry. Most people are gonna be a lot more cautious and therefore have a better overall view of gaming.
This is so true. They didn't talk about the booming indie scene with amazing games at all. They not falling off they're on the come up
You hit the nail on the coffin, they play mostly big name AAA multiplayer games because thats whats popular.
The price for a new game has barely changed in the last 15 years. I used to pay 40-50 bucks, now its 60 for the standard version. In the meantime the development of high class games has significantly increased in time and difficulty. Developers needed new ways of financing the development cycle and figured out that they can make money with microtransactions to also have an income after launch. This started to become insanely profitable.
Move forward to the year 2012 and forward: there are two standards nowadays. Early access (crowdfunding) to finance a game before its finished (mostly used by small teams) and microtransaction AAA games.
5 developers is nowadays a really small team. Let them work on one game for 2 years for 40k salary each and you are looking at 400k costs. Try finding investors who are willing to pay upfront for an indie game. So crowdfunding/early access is one of the only ways.
Big studios: they have 20+ developers and a AAA game takes years to complete. If it flops you are out of a few million. So they stick with games they know will sell and stick with microtransactions to make insane amount of money. Why take the risk to make a new high quality game? RDR2 took what? 8 years? Best selling game of the year. Compare it to the profit rockstar makes from gta5 its a joke. No reason for them to use their resources for new game ideas.
Tldr: Games are still innovative, but companies are taking fewer risks than they used to. Its just safer to have a herd mentality, unfortunately.
Games haven't fallen off as much as people want to say they have. Yes there's a "lack" of innovation, but thats because its safer to go with the herd. "Oh battle royale's are popluar?" Then lets make a battle royale. "People are feeling match 3's?" Then lets make a match 3. It waaay safer for them because they know they're gonna get a return-on-investment. The pandemic showed us that these companies aren't as rich as we think they are. Theyre living paycheck to paycheck too. Whens the last time a new character was created that spearheaded their own franchise. Not as many as there used to be, again because its safer to put the same old characters in a new genre. But there are still some games/genres that innovation is crucial to their survival/innovation is their only ticket in. Mobas need to make new characters every few weeks otherwise it gets stale and people leave. And every battle royale needs its gimmick to get people to even give it a chance. So all in all, games aren't falling off, its just that risks are fewer and far between. There are some gems tho, like Middle earth shadow of mordor and Horizon.
I think it depends on the games u like to play because I’m excited about the games I’m playing and those that have been announced to come
I agree.I feel like certain genres of gaming are falling off more than games as a whole
Exactly cuz spiderman(2018) & ghost of tsushima was 🔥
@@aceshouse3389 but Spider-Man 2 from the ps2 era is better lol. The new one literally just copied what they did and added some animations and a new story. Even the swinging was more complex Back then. Games are too easy nowadays
@@viviennewestwoodruinedmylife hell no boy
@@SmallWRLDS have you played Spider-Man ps2