[GOING SEVENTEEN] EP.52 너 자신을 알라 #2 (Know Thyself #2)

honestly i almost cried when Joshua said "We dont think that, Dino" with a serious face and Seungkwan said "We know that you're selfish" in a joking manner so that Dino doesn't feel pressured. I love their bond so much and the way they take care of each other. I hope Dino finds balance in how he wants to express himself and be happy.

Now we understand why dk needs jeonghan in his life, because he needs a logical person besides him 😂

Seungkwan talking about his members is like a mom telling the doctor her kid symptoms and i'm living for it😂😂

What doctor said about Mingyu is soo true.... he's so selfless and in going seventeen we can always see that every member teases Mingyu but he never holds grudges or gets angry at any member.
he's so pure and i seriously think he's the sunshine of the group

The way Wonwoo fondly smiled when the doctor said that Dino is warm , sympathetic and considerate. Nobody indeed loves Dino as much as Wonwoo does 🥺

Dk’s temperament of being illogical, although may seem at first like a negative quality, actually gives him advantages. We can see in many GOSE episodes how creative and funny DK can be.

*talks about Wonwoo*
Doctor : “I’m curious why he chose this job, I would like to ask”
Seungkwan : “He’s too handsome not to be”
Wonwoo : *blush*

8:20 Dino having the highest point in generosity really made me proud. Despite being the youngest he's always attentive to others and takes cares of his members

This episode just reinforced my belief that Carats are the luckiest fandom in Kpop now. Imagine getting all 13 individuals with different personalities to agree to renew their contract and stay together as a group. It is quite an accomplishment. I love their friendship, it is so genuine.

The others, quietly but humbly getting roasted alive by the doctor. Meanwhile:
Doctor: "You can come across as selfish."
Wonwoo: "Yes! I'm very selfish 😊"

The way the smile slowly faded from DK’s face as the doctor kept talking about his results was both heartbreaking and hilarious. He’s such a treasure-protect DK at all costs!!

26:57 I love that the members were hyping up Jun to get back at Seungkwan for scolding him earlier but Jun is too nice to do that. It's so wholesome.

After watching this, all I want is an episode dedicated for DINO being the maknae and being pampered.

vernon and seungkwan: we're opposites, totally different ends of whatever spectrum
the universe: you have similar personalities actually...

Everytime I see Dino and Wonwoo crumbs, I smile bcoz i know it is not for the cameras .. I have always believed Wonwoo has a soft spot for Dino & this was confirmed when in the Soop, he knew Dino was bored so he asked Scoups if they could take dino along for the fishing trip ... Wonwoo is more like a silent admirer of their maknae. Dino can be a little too much to handle with his energy but I think Wonwoo , Seungkwan and to some extent even Jeonghan understand him.

14:22 that part about mingyu is soo correct!!
"You try to maintain harmonious relationships with the people around you"😭😭😭
He was the one who continuously told seventeen for the contract renewal 😭😭😭😭

What's left in my mind after today's episode
- Mingyu, Shua, and The8 are more alike than they thought
- Vernon and Seungkwan are more alike than they thought
- the Hyungs are more immature than they thought
- DK questioning his whole existence after being told he tends to be illogical
- Mingyu is too nice for his own good
- Seventeen knows Dino is just the right amount of selfish
- Wonwoo baffling everyone being an idol based on the test
- Woozi is CEO material
- Hoshi is not actually an introvert

Rewatching this again and I had a little realization on Dino's TCI. The doctor said he had tendencies that can lead to depression then his hyungs proceed to tell him to be more selfish and act as a real maknae (it reminds me of that one Svt in the soop where seungkwan also told Dino that they won't scold him for being the maknae). Having 12 older hyungs, he grew up to be generous and mature at a young age. Dino also pointed out that whenever his hyungs told him to be more selfish, he thought that he's already selfish enough when clearly he is not.
Our Dino is really kind so I hope he's always happy all the time 🥺

Now I understand why DK is an introvert but still manage to be the funniest member cause he’s illogical😂

The moment the expert said tha Dino "gets depressed when is rejected by others" made me so emotional. He's a baby. Please give him all the love he deserves!!!

The funniest is the oldest line member have a low score at generous, but the youngest line member have a high at generous- at the end, all member already know, how much DINO effort😂😂😂

it’s not often that you get to know your idols in such a deep and detailed way as this, thank you seventeen for sharing this with us :)

I don't know why but I just felt really fond of Jeonghan in this episode. I like that he seems content with his style and how he can be both a weird attention seeker and a mature caretaker at the same time. Also how his personality type from the last episode just shows how much he looks out for the people around him.

Maybe SCoups isn't the ideal leader on paper, but on reality he is. You can see how much he loves his group. He's never domineering or taking most of the spotlight but lets the others shine. He leads with his heart. I think Hoshi would be an excellent leader too but more in a military style.

도겸아 찝찝해하지 말어라
비논리적인게 늘 가슴을 뜨겁게 만드는 법이다.......

Joshua: “We don’t think that, Dino-ya”
Jeonghan: *re-affirms*
BRB 😭😭😭

i'll talk more about jun here because he was rarely mention here 😂 anyways, the doctor said that he's an extrovert and the fact that no one was really surprised with that shows how much we don't know jun privately and how the members do. 💕 they often say that jun is very playful but gets shy when you suddenly put him on the spot. nct's chenle's also said that his first impression of jun is approachable and had no problem being friends with him despite the age difference. he also said in that radio show that if he has a good impression of you it's easy to approach him or he will approach you (i am paraphrasing here tho). i guess, we have that introvert impression of him because he rarely talks on their shows since he is not really confident with his korean. but have you seen the guy in a chinese show??? he talks a lot and making jokes on camera with the other celebs! hahahaha

Jeonghan having the least desire for success amongst them has to be the MOST ACCURATE thing that has been said this entire episode

완벽하게 다른 기질 유형인 승관이 버논이가 성장과정에서 영향 받아서 성격은 거의 동일하게 나왔다는게 너무 재밌고 신기... 98즈의 인생사,,,,

I’m not a seventeen ‘s stan, but I was impressed by Dino. He looks like a person that think a lot before talking and at least just give up and let the others talk. Even the fact that he nod when the doctor say “you could have depression” or something like that it’s really sad to watch. He probably knows about this trait, I think caused by the fact that he debuted really young and immediately took on many responsibilities, plus criticism that can be destructive especially when you are still in the growth phase. All of this lead the person to shut up and not talk about their problems, making them magnify.
So I hope the other guys gonna help him, spoil him more and make him talk more about his thoughts/doubts ♥️

The way jeonghan is happy with what he have and doesn't dream of anything more big or grant.This shows that how grateful he is.

I just want to hug DK and give him all the love. Being illogical is not necessarily negative and it makes him who he is. The purest and kindest soul.

first of all, s.coups saying "you should have been the leader." to hoshi broke me, like you are the best leader ever, stop it
second of all, dk being illogical is not a bad thing, it makes you special, and you can think and look on things in many different ways which gives you an advantage
and finally, SOMEONE TAKE FUCKIN CARE OF MY PRECIOUS MAKNAE BECAUSE THE DEPRESSION PART MADE ME WORRIED HE DESERVES ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD thanks

22:26 Dino's reading reminded me of when Seungkwan said that Dino is the type to hide his feelings. He doesn't want to seem as vulnerable and he does his best to always be mature. But sometimes it's ok to be a little childlike, to act as the maknae.
My dear Dino it's ok to not be mature always. Don't be too hard on yourself ❤️

The part about the foreign members (Joshua, Jun, and The8) having low anxiety levels, yet being very adaptable makes sense. If you're an international member of a group, you may feel like an outsider, yet having low stress/anxiety levels means that you adapt well to different cultural and social situations, a key to sucess for international members.
When the psychiatrist said that having low anxiety levels is a key to their success, it actually makes sense. If you go in w/a calm mindset, you are less likely to be anxious or scared, making you more likely to succeed. If you think about it, it makes sense why certain international k-pop idols have been able to find success or successfully debut is bcuz they have low stress levels or they are quite adaptable 2 life in a foreign country.

"No one in this group has a high sense of responsibility"
Caption: They are meant to be together
LOL AFTER ALL THE YEARS OF WORKING TOGETHER EDITOR TEAM KNOWS TO BE SAVAGE

This episode explains why sometimes i think DK speaks and acts illogically, but then I interpret this things as cute and charming.

I remembered in Knowing Bros, Soo geun said jokingly to Dino, "What exactly are you good at?". Dino answered that people actually said that to him and it hurt him. I don't know how Dino's mind work and I don't know how he is feeling right now, but I hope he knows that we love him no matter what and he doesn't need to prove us more.

When they said Mingyu is the most altruistic person and never holds any grudges, I got flashbacks of all the past gose episodes where he was betrayed, teased and bullied multiple times yet he kept smiling and kind in the upcoming episodes..
Also how he does most of the cooking and other household chores without complaining shows how much he cares about the other members.

I find Vernon's and Seungkwan's results during the whole MBTI series very interesting. At first glance, I wouldn't think they're personalities are similar at all. In fact, they seem like two totally opposite ends of a spectrum. Seungkwan is very loud and active while Vernon seems more quiet and reserved so I was surprised that they got the same results in the first test. But after they re-did the test, even If they got a different MBTI as their last one, they still share the same new one. Even in the more professional analysis by the doctor, he concluded that Vernon and Seungkwan's personalities are indeed the most similar. I think it makes so much sense now why they understand each other the best.

와 무한도전 정신감정 편 나오셨던 선생님.. 버논아 내가 아는 무도키즈 중에 네가 제일 성공함

Joshua is so affectionate tbh. His cute little smiles whenever he looks at the other members and him looking at the members time to time to see how they're reacting. The way he pats the younger members hair when he praise them and when he say they look cute is the most endearing thing to me.

Being a Dino stan seeing how the other members reassured him that being selfish was okay made my eyes water, especially with how serious Joshua's facial expression was when he said "we don't think that." Dino doesn't nearly get the recognition that he deserves. He is so talented in literally everything that he does and he needs more recognition. There is a reason why he is my ultimate bias. Give Dino more love ❤️ he deserves the world

기질적으로는 남에게 공감하기 어려울 수 있지만 후천적인 성격으론 공감을 잘한다.. 이편 보고 진짜 디노 전에도 좋았자만 너무 좋아짐 ㅜㅜㅜ입덕방송이다이건...

So, this episode answered the question why Yoon Jeonghan loves creating characters HAHAHAHAHA now we know it, thanks Doc! Problem solved HAHAHAHA.

인원수가 많으니까 특히 다양한 유형 살펴보기 개좋고 그게 만들어내는 케미까지 진짜 갓벽한 세븐틴

디노는 성격이 정말 많이 바뀌었다....힘들었을텐데 긍정적으로 변하고 사람들에게 마음을 여는 사람이 된게 너무 신기해...

6:30 When doctor says he don't understand why S Coups falls in 'self directedness group' and then the caption says 'he might be one of the youngest members somewhere else' It broke my heart. It must be hard to be youngest in the family and being oldest in the group. I just want to hug him and tell him he is the best. The whole world belongs to him. Please don't underestimate yourself. We love you S Coups, you are the best leader.💙💙💙💙💙
P.S. -I have been watching these episodes again and again and I stan the whole group.

What the doctor said about Seventeen's Hyung line not acting like one is really accurate. It feels like all the members have a strong bond with each other despite their age, they are so comfortable with each other which i really love about them. A lot of groups do not have this type of natural chemistry and friendship between them, it makes them really stand out and unique. They've this attractive energy about them that makes you feel as if you're having the best fun time with your 13 best friends.

Finally dino’s got his acknowledgement for being the most generous

When he said that Mingyu is the most altruistic among them. I was like "I totally agree". He is not my bias but the fact that he is the one who has the most potential to go solo and leave the group but he is the one who initiate the topic of contract renewal, because he care for the fans, he care for the group itself, and he care for his members. He's indeed an altruistic.

Mingyu being selfless and Wonwoo being selfish, Omo opposite really attracts my MinWon heart😭❤️😍

전 편에서도 느꼈지만 디노가 진짜 대단한거라니까? 형 12명 쉽지않아 ㅋㅋㅋ아무리 좋은 사람이라도 형 열둘 후..이 어려운걸 디노는 다 받아주잖아ㅋㅋ

승관이가 끊임없이 리액션 하는 것도 상대에 대한 공감, 배려인거 같다. 물론 방송을 위한 부분도 있겠지만....

Having a professional solidify why Hoshi and Woozi became the leader of their own respective unit is so satisfying. Hoshi who is so driven and passionate that through his choreographies, Seventeen was able to solidify themselves as a dance-based group from the get go even amidst heavy competition at the time. And Woozi who is so meticulous and has set such a high standard for himself that his discography has set Seventeen on a path full of accomplisments and awards.

이 편을 보면.. 막 마음이 따뜻해져..
딘깅쓰 14살 어린 나이에 고향에서 서울 올라와가지구.. 갓기시절 메로나 영상 보면 쪼끔은 예민하구 소심하구 아직 다듬어지지 않은 어린 성격이 보이고, 데뷔초 영상 봐도 야망 가득하고 가끔은 이기적인 막내같은 모습이 보이는데 이게 타고난 기질이었던거구
최근 모습은 볼수록 어쩜 사람이 둥글둥글.. 주변 분위기 좋게 만들어주고 반짝반짝 빛나는 애기인지..ㅠㅠ 자존감도 높고 성격도 따스하고 안정적이고 공감도 잘해준다는 이 사실 자체만으로도 너무 좋은데, 타고난 기질은 그렇지 않았음에도 성장해서 만들어진 성격이라는 사실이 더더 디노를 좋아하게 만든다..ㅠㅠ 우리이쁜이 사랑혀..

Dino's one was so sad :( He has a strong mind to brush through all this but sometimes i feel like we (carats) really underappreciate Dino, like his amazing danceologies and high-five.

When he said “you have the least desire for success” I thought that really is jeonghan! He doesn’t care about his idol image (not in a bad way) 😭 every going ep he wants to go home, he always over it for interviews, Scoups said when they go eat out he doesn’t say he’s a kpop idol he says “he’s a famous painter” bc he hates the attention. 😭 yep that’s our jeonghan he only likes being in seventeen and not a whole kpop idol

셉내에서 멤버들끼리 폭로하고 디스하고 다투고 다시 화해하는 이 일련의 과정을 불면제로라는 네글자로 표현할 수 있는게 너무 웃기다 그냥 우리만의 밈인데 이보다 더 잘 설명할 수가 없음ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Dino being the highest in generosity, i couldn't agree more. 🥺🌸

I love just the way Dokyeom is, whatever he is, whoever he is. I never want him to change. He always gives his best. I love him so much

Jeonghan is an old soul trapped in a young man body, he just let everything flow and satisfied with his current condition.

DK being so concerned about being “illogical” was the purest, sweetest thing. He’s so cute. He’s my bias wrecker for a reason.

이 에피소드 찍을당시보다 지금은 더더욱 디노가 본인에게 자신감있는 모습이어서 다행임 그리고 충분히 사랑받을 자격있는 사람이고
요즘 팬 뿐만 아니라 일반인들도 보컬,춤,심지어 인성에 대한 칭찬까지 나날이 늘어나니 더더욱 자신감 가졌으면!

셉틴도 솔직하게 검사에 임해서 그런지 세븐틴 멤버들의 내면을 조금 더 볼수 있어서 너무 좋았고 원장님이 따뜻하고 센스있게
말씀해주시니까 덕분에 셉틴도 서로를 더 잘 알면서 본인의 진심을 꺼내고 말할수 있었던것 같음..이런 컨텐츠 너무 좋다..

Wow Seungkwan and Vernon have had a personality test three times through gose and everytime they come out as being similar. They must be soulmates

The doctor even questioned wonwoo why he choose this job since he was introvert then seungkwan bluntly said "we need his visual" gose editor "he would have been on tv anyway"
Well our wonu has 13 friends(+family) anyway so it's enough for him😂

We need a episode where our maknae dino gets to do whatever he wants and make his hyungs do what he wants them to do as well, we need maknae on the top episode

Poor dk cannot stop thinking about him being illogical 😂 also so excited for the next going because I loveee their physical games

Dino is so sweet i wish him all the happiness in the world, my heart dropped when the Dr said that his type of personality is more likely to get depression and dino gave that look in his eyes as he lowered his head and said ''right''
svt members and carats pls give him a lot of love affection and appreciation 😭😭😭

버노니가 가장 행복하다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 행복한 표정 진짜 짱이야 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 교수님이 오시면 처음부터 보실 수 있다잉ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

what I love about this episode is that even when sometimes people find Jonghan cold and selfish (because of the GoSe image) u can see that EVERYONE on SVT knows that Jeonghan is the person that care about the 13 of them the most.

Lol Minghao said he isn't among the low anxiety people when Jeonghan guessed it could be him but the expert said he is! This is such an interesting content, they really are getting to know themselves and how the other members might know them better in some ways

최버논이 젤 놀란 이유가 있었네 어쩔 수 없는 무도키즈ㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹㅋㄹ

This GoSe episode made me really understand each member better. SCoups is a good leader no argument on that. The doctor saying that Scoups doesn't have that high points in terms on responsibility maybe because he trusts his members so much that even without his presence, they can handle it very well. Just like what Dk once said that seventeen never let him down. My bias is Hoshi though for me SCoups is the best choice for being the general leader 'coz he can balance Hoshi's strictness and Woozi's perfectionist side that makes the group work harmoniously. Dino's TCI result should really get more attention(shoutout to Pledis though) but I know that the hyungs really adores their maknae that they're able to take good care of him very well. Dk's illogical thinking really adds more flavor to the group that he can be more creative which often leads to a better outcome. Stanning seventeen is really a great choice. Saranghae Sebongiess❤❤

24:12 25:17 진짜 여기서 개터질수밖에 없었다 진짴ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 도겸 너무 좋앜ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 웃겨 죽겠음ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Eveytime they conducted this kind of personality tests, I still can't believe how Seungkwan and Vernon always got the same or almost the same results. Ik they are one of our great pairs here, but based on how I watch them, I just can't grasp that they are the same, coz they look like different poles for me.

Let's appreciate Scoups for being extra clingy to Jun since he's been quiet the whole ep + Hoshi persuading Jun to "scold" Seungkwan back like he did last ep 🥹

I love being a Carat. Reading the comments got me teary.
We Carats are worried about Dino not being selfish enough and SCoups saying Hoshi could have been the leader when he is the best leader Carats could have asked for. Hoshi is the perfect Performance Leader and Woozi is the most amazing Vocal Boss.
Seventeen is so incredibly special! I have never liked any artist for so long.

After the doctor and seungkwan said jeonghan immediately look at Dino's paper and after he read it he look at dino and it's shows how he really care about the members especially to his baby dino❤️

24:12 the way dokyeom's smile fell into a serious face then he says "am i illogical?" is sooo relatable and funny loll

The ending clip is another addition to times when SVT members adoringly tells how cute Jun is

I can fully relate to Mingyu's characteristic as he has been betrayed the most in gose, yet he doesn't hold any grudges and does his best in next episode too. I've always wondered if he is just pretending to move on easily, but seems like he is just made that way.

디노.. 기질적인 성격이랑 후천적인 성격이 정반대라는 게.. 많이 힘들었겠다 지금은 정말 단단해보여서 너무 좋다

lmao DK getting Illogical as his result then GoSe editors putting "Logical Conclusion" in the subtitles had me wheezing. GoSe editors are really the funniest.

As a Dino fan, He changed a lot…
I think those ppl rejecting him, telling him he was soo ugly makes him more mature now!! Dino-ya!! You endured it well!! Don’t forgot there are many ppl loves you as who you are!! You are ball of sunshine!! Please continue to smile!! ㅠㅠ Like seungkwan said before You can just be a baby!! Don’t Take everything seriously!! 😭

24:01 when joshua firmly said "we don't think that, dino"😳🤧

5:46 저예요??? 하는 윤정한 자세, 표정, 말투 삼합이 아주 장난아니다 ㅠㅠㅠ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 귀여웡❤❤❤❤

You can clearly feel and see how the atmosphere turned into more serious on Dino's turn to the point that they even looked at his result by themselves and read it.

호시만 유독 자신에 대한 책임감이 높다는 게 너무 호시답다ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Not discounting the other members but this ep I really felt for the oldest and the youngest here- S.Coups with the amount of pressure he would and continues to be under to lead his team that it's no wonder he couldn't afford to think for years about creating his own personal environment, he's had 12 kids to think about 24/7; and Dino although being the maknae feeling the need to be switched on and reign it in a lot.
I wish every single one of these kids, especially Coups and Dino, every success and happiness and for them to know that they are all loved. I'm so glad they have each other and that I'm so privileged to witness their journey. Seventeen FIGHTING!

2:33 Seeing Shua say that he, Mingyu and The8 really understand each other when they talk and then remembering how Gyu was wiping away Shua's tears this year in Japan really got me in my feels 😭😭😭

저렇게 많은 유형의 성격인 사람들이 모여서 오래 같이 있기도 힘들텐데 시간이 지나면서 서로에 대해 이해하고 존중하면서 성장했을 걸 생각하니까 괜히 뭉클해진다

so the hyungs are not generous Dino has been telling you that for free you don't need to get a doctor to tell you that.🤣🤣

i am crying at Dino part. he is such a great maknae but deep inside there is something he want to express to his hyung but he can't.

please DINO is so precious. let's take good care of him. he deserves to be loved by all. love you, uri maknae!!~

The way the rest of the members were so attentive and concerned when it was time for Dino's results. How they took turns reading Dino's TCI results thoroughly as they heard the doctor explaining in further detail. When Dino said it felt wrong to act selfish, how the hyungs immediately refuted him and tried to reassure him. Dino, you are doing enough, you are enough. Please know being yourself the way you are, that your hyungs and CARAT will still love you for you. It's okay to be selfish. Precious maknae.

scoups is very sensitive and cautious, he has lot of interests, polite, well mannered, wants to improve himself to his surroundings, and have desire to be success. WOW THAT IS VERY SEUNGCHEOL???

I am so shocked that Wonwoo and Dino had a similar temperament. I have come to realize in this episode why I like them both. At first, Wonwoo caught my attention very well even before GoSe existed. As I watched GoSe since episode 1, I gradually became interested in Dino too. Maybe, I love their gazes and their silent but mysterious smiles. Like a moth enchanted by a flame, I've been curious about these two and among the 13 members, I sometimes spent some hours watching Wonwoo and Dino's solo fancams or clips. Whenever I see them, it makes me smile and feel at peace.
I am an EXO-L, by the way, and my bias is D.O. Maybe I prefer a mysterious guy with a strong gaze and a fierce face? Coz the moment they smile and laugh, it makes my heart flutter.

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