Skip & Shannon discuss if Kyrie is questioning LeBron's leadership with coalition | NBA | UNDISPUTED

LeBron is wrong on this one. Kyrie is right.

@@Therealgibz Facts!

He's not challenging Lebron. However, I gotta ride with Kyrie on this one.

No, they deadass just have different opinions, there’s nothing personal about this, it’s best if they work together and try and find a middle ground

@@mattmmixes it's not about personal stuff, lebron's opinion is just wrong here

Exactly why would they think this is personal?

@Bryan Smeriglio and what's wrong with that? Kyrie and the LeBron coalition are just trying to age my guy outta the game well news flash Kyrie the racial issues aren't going to go away just because of folks not playing basketball and you probably won't win a ring in Brooklyn because KD is coming off of an achilles injury so good luck next year 🤣🤣

these are more than opinions, these are actions that will have big repercussions

Exactly

Facts

Right but it won't be because of lebron.

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Lmfao i knew Dwight would backfire. Shoulda listened to Kobe rip

How does he expect to win a ring 3 months from now if he's fussing at his teammates? A house divided...

Lebron always gets his way.

“yall dudes”...you mean white ppl😂

Right. I usually cant stand when skip talks but thats just sports. In real life events Skip is WOKE!!!

Skip be getting deep

Giffond Hall sarcasm at it finest

@Lightning Data 1000% Woman!
Now TROLL Your Behind Somewhere Else 🖕🏽

I couldn't have said it any better

Facts 😅😅😅

Life imitating art

Jiggy Thanos naw he saying it’s better to play because they can do more while playing this the nba not the nfl

@@kingcastro223 Don't take the bait bruh.

I don't care about the season anymore

I swear👍🏼

@@SuperJayreese I just want to know what they know. Is Paul Pierce really the GOAT? Naw but still.

They was 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🤣💯💯💯

exactly. He's just doing this for publicity. If he really meant what he said, he should retire.

Its easy for LeBron to say "ok, I'll shut up and dribble for the chip." Just like he did when it came down to money with China...🤦🏾‍♂️.

@@JusSick24 Funny how they dont want to bring up the China issue but want to call him an activist. He is fairweather.

Exactly

I dont think he is that petty but i can see why people doesnt take him seriosly or thinks he isnt seem sincere. -had a injury and doesnt gonna play -he got the money bags already -reputation he got from Celtics and earth flat theory. Adds up so people doesnt take him seriosly if Curry or any other all star was told the same thing i dont think people would react the same way.

Everyone knows KD isn’t ready. He announced it publicly.

kaan g. HE NOT THAT PETTY?!?!!😂😂😂😂that boi HATE lebron to the core😭💀

@@christopherrocha6438 Kyrie said he was ready to play, then when KD announced he wasn't gonna return for playoffs, Kyrie suddenly changed his mind.

I mean, it goes both ways: Lebron knows KD ain't ready, plus he sees an opening this season, so he wants to rush things.

Brilliant 👏

indeed. it is a flat earth pandemic.

The earth is flat, you can't build houses,roads and driving cars on a round earth doesn't make no sense

@@CF-wd6el of course. you can see with your own eyes it is flat.

Finally something to smile about!! Good one bruh!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lmao I agree

I don’t know about ufos but a group of men that control the world is spot on.

@@juanio7036 aliens are real though like whatt????

Maybe they can bring Ice Cube into the mix. LOL.

Illuminati is real and is dangerous.

Costone90 your evidence were just your opinions and assumptions. You just sound like a lebron fan that doesnt like kyrie

@@plank645 it's an absolute fact bron did it with multiple teams and multiple positions while leading and following. shhh

NIc K read my comment again. Lets stay on topic please sir. Im not arguing what lebron has accomplished. Im sure youre smart enough to comprehend my original comment.

Not really its kyrie we're talking about.. someone who didn't want to be 2nd fiddle so he has already shown signs of goin against the grain which is lebron james.. now he plays with kd? as if he isn't gonna be another 2nd fiddle.. this dude doesn't know what he wants to do i swear

I agree it seems fake, but I wonder if the lakers were out of contention and the nets were in contention, I bet they're opinions would be switched

Tell the commentators that

Lol these dudes make every thing a competition

These two are something else from the Cavs days...but I can understand both parts

Wait, the media tries to inflate certain stories and dramatize them for their audience so they can get clicks and views?

Kyrie wouldn’t be sayin this is the nets were championship contenders

U cant compare someone thats the face of the league for a decade plus and has done everything right with a guy that usually makes drama for no reason even tho their both arguments are valid I think bron bron is right and the nba should continue and they can still help their communities

@@jmoney4220 facts. easy for Kyrie to say that cause kd is not heathly as well

@@jmoney4220 but howard and Bradley are saying the same thing 🤷🏾‍♂️and lou Williams

@@jmoney4220 and LeBron is doing his "shut up and dribble" move for the chip like he did for his money in China. Remember, 2 things can be true 😂😂😂

Whatever that means which side American is so divided. But I think we need to play an we cant stop all these people from working that are barely feeding there family. But if your insinuating your Democrat your saying you want everything closed. So I'm confused? Honest question an I'm not saying the players cant feed there family but the people. However we need a distraction that we the people can come together an watch like basketball! Or I admittedly just maybe hyped to see the rest of the season!

Isn’t LeBron on the other side this time around lol

@@justinmopavich3685 when has America been United along racial lines?? That Black and White fist is very misleading.

Lol I agree bro it’s all talk talk he won’t do that tho

@@luscuenkhodish8353 forreal -- like Kaep never said "yo I think we should all kneel" -- he kneeled -- spoke up for the cause and sacrificed. Kyrie could easily continue the play and until his social justice demands are met just reply to every reporter questions by saying "Black Lives Matter"

Kyrie actually seems like the type of dude who would do that and sacrifice getting paid from the NBA. LOL

@@85gmb1 like now? Lol.

Chosen Two What are the actual demands? Defund police? Write into law that you can’t use the n word in jokes anymore? Give blacks loans for houses? Whites to will their money and property to blacks when they die? I’m not being obtuse; I’m just trying to figure out how these changes are practical on a day to day basis.

Only clicked on the video to see if I was the only one thinking it

@@fabivii they didn't.

NIc K good looks, I don’t have time to listen right now but if they actually didn’t it’ll be worth a watch imo

Nobody's distributing any wealth lmao this is about George floyd remembaa

Len F. My guy they will be costing themselves money if they did that so this don’t make sense. Money they can put into the community. I been tryna understand this but nobody is making sense

ALpHa ThA HiTmAn preach sir. They make no sense at all. Television is a much bigger platform.

The players will cost them money. Do you think the owners make their money because they own the team. These people were billionaires before they bought the team lol. Maybe you forgot not every player has made money like Kyrie. Plenty of players cannot sustain their cost of living

Jay Dell fax

So what lakes lose to clippers easy .

Lakers can’t afford to lose any depth

@@mr.alexander1506 💯

Ok if Avery is traded then there goes the ring.

Grievous no one would even know who Avery Bradley was if he wasn’t on Lebrons team.
Dude is just a role player

Nobody’s challenging nobody. Take off the tinfoil hat bru

Lucianodadon right he is challenging nobody.

I have to disagree with you he’s not challenging Lebron this is much bigger than that Kyrie wants to focus on CHANGES NOW instead of basketball

I’m here for the mere fact that kyrie Irving is the most lazy problematic player I’ve ever seen. He’ll never be a leader just a great sidekick to lebron and that’s all he’ll ever be remembered for.

Who tf is LeBron “taking shots” from?

And lebron like shut up and dribble to kyrie lol

@@justinmopavich3685 I know... He is doing his version of it... A caucasian cops just shot someone in the back and LeBron wants to hoop in a bubble

It's called, "pitting" not "putting." Let's "do better."

@@mindspringers2447 its like the u and i are together on a keyboard must be a conspiracy....let's do better

They can raise awareness while playing games though.

@@adingdingdiiing6740 not as much as if they dont play

@@mjmj6568 how so? They're not playing right now. Has there been any significant development? Has there actually been any significant movement other than some players joining protestors on the streets?

@@adingdingdiiing6740 laws have been changed ,the jump out boys in NY have been disbanded.. They want to play a game when these caucasian cops just shot someone in the back🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

@@RUTHLESSambition5 "They want to play when these Caucasian cops just shot someone in the back." it's not about that though. That's what you might think. But how about you consider that most of these athletes, black and white, don't earn as much as stars. For them this is money in their pockets so they can continue supporting themselves and their families. Problem is you only look at one side. Why not consider the fact that a lot of them want to go out there and work, at the same time make a statement since the cameras will be on them. I get the whole movement thing. But it's too selfish for us to demand that they stop, taking away the chance for them to start earning again.

Right. 100%

@Yurugu Killah Spot on!

We needs sports

Kyrie was asking about the food in Orlando and if they can have sponsors visit the quarantined hotels...then he found out that he wasn't going. So he is asking a league that is majority black to sit out and not make the millions of dollars they could reinvest in their communities and elected officials to enact REAL change.
If it is really that important to the people protesting, they can boycott basketball and focus on the social change they want. If a simple game can distract you from something that negatively affects your everyday life, how much do you actually care?

Exactly how hard is it to see this!?

What you want him to do go to the streets, he's been there, tried to get people into the white house, he's done that, go head 2 head with the president he done that, but ya'll just hate LeBron too much to see him win a ring that you'd rather there not be a season at all,

Voting does make an impact. Kyrie has done zero up until now. All he has said is don't play. "Standing up to the system" in this way only makes the players weaker. Their financial power weaker, their voice weaker, their visibility weaker. Racist love the idea of the players not playing and making millions of dollars. The players can do both. They can play and fight for change. If anything make a list of demands and if they are not met, then don't play. Don't just not play for nothing in return.

So building a school is nothing? , going on the espy with wade, cp3, and melo addressing this very issues years ago is nothing?, so when they vandalized his house spray painting the n word and he used his platform I guess that's nothing, he wore I cant breathe hoodies and paid tribute to tamir rice. I guess all those things aren't nothing, yet kyrie spew a few words and really haven't done a damn thing is praised for doing absolutely nothing.

wait - isn't not voting the reason why you have Trump, who does not seem to condemn police brutality, your president?? hmmm..

Often great times create great people. You have to Seize the Times!!

Y DC v xx xx xx uuu. The xx u xx

Ain't nothing truth telling about thinking the earth is flat

@@stinger5127 You think its round so...

A radical think can be a truth teller

@@gjwilliams4098 no most people that have flown "know" that it is round. It's not rocket science, fly from the US to Japan or Australia and you can see the curvature of the planet with your own eyes. I can't take the advice of someone that thinks it's flat, it's just too stupid to rationalize.

@@jlv3x what they don't "know" is it's the horizon curving around them, not the curvature of the Earth. Nobody says the Earth is a square...just that it might not be the oblate spheroid as claimed. Most people that have flown "know" that they see the same horizon whether at 10,00ft or 40,000ft. Flying from the US to Japan or Australia is irrelevant.

Just said that. Absolutely 👍

The owners have been mad quiet 👀

THANK YOU. the fact these well-verses men can’t understand that simple fact is mind boggling.. why would systematic oppression be changed as long as the ones who benefit from the oppression are making their usual billions?? smh

@@zeus48885 They understand that but like Skip said numerous times, it's going to hurt their pockets as well meaning people like him, Shannon and Stephen A ect. At least Skip is honest about it. It benefits them if the players play. So they definitely understand, Stephen A and others are just looking out for themselves.

Canceling basketball is not going to stop systemic racism, if the end goal was to put pressure on the nba to commit to allocating money toward social justice every year that’s one thing. Federal legislation is the only thing that will make lasting change, not just protests and boycotts ppl also need to vote among other things

Every game gonna be on TV, pretty sure they could protest at anthem, every interview, wear different uniforms, stop play like they did for kobe w/ 8 sec and 24sec violations.

@J Blackis going to the street the only way to protest no.,!,!! There are so many others, forcing change from within the nba, getting the nba owners to fund blacks, it doesn't have to be on the street. Cummon cuh

You can only protest for so long, history has shown everytime something like this happens people protest for a few weeks then things just fizzle out. You need to have a plan and a next step for when after the protest stop. Having the NBA as a platform will have a better effect to keep things going in a productive way by Powerful and influential Black Men and Women.

​@J Black not to play is understandable, just don't know what it accomplishes either? What's the best option? Suspend the NBA until injustice ends and covid is done? Does that help or hurt more?

@@rickbonilla8308 I agree NBA gives it's athletes a platform to speak from, but protests could last a lot longer than you might think, lots people are out of work and frustrated and police seem to keep f-ing up....

Facts football is Americas sport

Who said they playing football?

@@ImtooFuturistic commonsense my dude

US basketball is bigger on an international scale

Basketball profits annually 8.76 billion
Football profits annually 14.46 billion, almost doubles basketball. Football is the world’s betting game

high key

Whoooo! NOW This is TRUTH!!!💯💯💯💯💯

Next revolution will be against religion and the Fake God that resembles them

You really think basketball has that much power they didn't even take covid seriously when the nba stopped let alone this

"if we all ignore the illusion of the dollar bill"...the only argument for playing always comes back to money.

@@thinkoutlowd2909 Yea i stopped lying to myself about the myth of religion the white god that never existed, a long time ago. I haven't had a worry in the world since. I'm ready for that revolution too.

Porch mobb media I'm with him too ,even football this is the first time black athletes in the two major sports can take a stand, but we know money dictates otherwise

big dawg O Town that’s because they need to take care of their family too not everybody rich enough end the season and still take care of their family

@@kingcastro223 yes I know this just saying it would make a huge impact, but yet it's a huge sacrifice for the lower tier players I ain't mad at em!

Exactly...what brings more attention to the issue? Playing or not playing?

Stop being used but they're getting paid MILLIONS of dollars? So when will they play again? Wont they still be getting "used"

@@thewarrior8380 Getting used as a distraction from the issue at hand...tf

@Wayne Ford exactly wtf tripping lol

Dwight Howard was the leader in blocks on their team. He is needed Avery Bradley meh.

@@StormS2N lakers last two big games was clippers and Milwaukee..against the clippers avery had 27.and was huge agaisnt Milwaukee also hes also their best on ball defender..trust me hes needed

Lakers really need both of those guys to win a championship because it's hard to replace both Avery Bradley and Dwight defensively

Taylor W we have Alex Caruso the goat to take over

But they are not the leaders of the movement just part of it so part time is good for basketball players

Quincy Lockett I agree man it’s just a bit tricky for both sides of the argument.

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Are you quitting your job?

Soo you gonna quit your job? And go protest? Nope fraud just like kyrie. . He got yall thinking he "woke" but he just weird. Nobody like dude he odd flat earth just shut down on the team, now that they talking restart and he can't play he all the sudden BLM. Just 10 days ago kyrie voted to a restart. And now he trying to start his own league? Come on now if he was really about the cause he wouldn't have even thought about making a league unless change happened.

100%

Hey bitter Celtics fan, he was VOTED VP of the NBA by his PEERS who actually KNOW him.!

Jason Au i dont get it, I’ve had to say that to atleast 10 different people already. Kyries peers love him and think he is a good enough leader to be their VP. Everyone needs to quit letting the media make u think badly about him.

Lebron and these high profile athletes, celebrities and entertainers are controlled it should be obvious by now!

hmoney I bet u was watching RB live stream the other day

So we know criticizing lebron for playing basketball?

@@kid_-xm3wf I'm glad you mentioned RB live, I had forgotten the name of his youtube channel. No, I haven't watched his channel because I couldn't remember the channel.

Nope this is the biggest platform they will ever have to voice their issues

Don't you think we've seen this before...with Bron and other NBA players wearing I Cant Breathe shirts...doing that clearly doesnt change things. People will watch the games, see the players ask for black liberation and feel the same racial bias towards Black people afterward.

vusimuzi mafico this is not the same as 4 years ago. At all. Like not even close. So stop using that as an example

Christopher Williams are you dumb or stupid?

1. Playing distracts the people. It distracts white people and black people from what’s going on.
2. LeBron only wants to play because he’s old and doesn’t have many years left to win a championship. That’s his only motivation. He’s 36 and could miss this season AND next season. He’ll be 38 by the time the NBA comes back.
3. The sports analyst are siding with Bron because the NBA coming back only puts money In their pockets.
4. Take money from the 1% (the billionaires) and calls will be made. Laws will be passed. Change will happen.
I’m with Kyrie.

@@Jthompson271 Whats the difference? Their the same thing lol

He's a good boy now.

Jayson William so as I said before, called him a wacko for being woke ? Do your research

He doesn't even believe the Earth is flat anymore, obviously he did his

You all believe the earth is round and spins on an axis of 66.6 degrees hmmm🤔 if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything.

Shepherds like sheep.

... & Kyrie is right about the earth being flat too & that's why the players chose him to lead the NBAPA!

I guess you complain a lot then.

Romeo Joseph okay let me say this, Kyrie has no plan it’s all a protest to stop the nba. Then what?? Lebron has a plan for better voting for blacks and taking a stand. Also a separate rally. What distraction would there be with no fans just basketball teams playing for people see from home. More eyes can see them. Having speeches before and after games. Having black lives matter patches for the jerseys. Having peaceful protests outside near where the players play, have it all televised. That’s not a distraction that’s nba players doing their jobs on and off the court at the same time!! NBA players sitting at home using their thumbs on Twitter is not doing anything. The change starts at the top and trump and those congress folks don’t care about no basketball so just finish playing anyway. At least support the cause while playing because not playing isn’t changing nothing!

@@coldwolf7014 genuine question, do you really think new jerseys and interviews gonna make people jump on the movement? to me everyone has a side by now. Older people without social media still aware of the last 3 weeks, I don't think hearing LBJ or anyone talk on it gonna make them support BLM . but again genuinely interested in what you think

@@coldwolf7014 it's about not distracting the people. The people out there protesting everyday. That is who Congress is paying attention to rn. If we distract the thousands of people from protesting and fighting it's not gonna be as impactful. The world is pretty much on a stand still rn. Over 40 millions without jobs this is a major opportunity to make significant changes. Sports shouldn't be played at all rn. We need to remain focused because in past we have had a hard time with staying focused. ✊✊

Kyrie voted yes to the return now he's saying no because " we fans can't chew gum & walk at the same time"? Both can be done

@R J to whom are you talking to?

onidtubes cause Kyrie a female

It didn't work for kaepernick. He took a forced leave since 2016 for that

leon mulama in the bigger picture it got the World to take notice though

what about the other players money, those who we'rent fortunate to have multi-million dollar contracts?? is Kyrie gonna support the 15th man's family? what about the charities these players were investing their money on?
..consider the ramifications this boycott would do before you say anything.

My head says. My heart says

@The admirable lorde ken You fail to see what the power of protest has already accomplished? If you have, you would recognize it's still effective.

🗣PREACH

It's easy to speak of utopia until you have to make sacrifices lmao

And wtf is kyrie sacrificing it sure ain’t a ring... foh if players don’t wanna play they should just not play and stop making lebron their scapegoat because lebron is 1 guy with 1 vote and can’t play himself

So, what are you doing for the cause? How would you react if your livelihood was negatively impacted if you posted a Tweet? Stop being a simpleton and appreciate the sensitivity of his position. As a lay person, we can protest and voice our position and STILL preform our job duties; why should NBA players be any different? No disrespect to Kyrie or anyone, but you are a Professional Ballplayer, it's what you do. PLUS your voice is amplified when you're in season bringing attention to the Cause while all eyes are on you before and after games!

Calm down ppl, calm down!!! We were okay with burning stores, local businesses, insurance companies will be having fun, but nba is sacred? 😂 😂 😂

How does he know? Natural disasters have torn down civilizations in the blink of an eye. The British left India in four months after two hundred years of occupation. Shannon needs to stop trying to be glib at the expense of insight.

You can’t completely tear it down but it will definitely help I agree with Kyrie

R. Conley he’s talking about years of systematic racism, not just leaving a place. Even after British left India, there was still the colonizing sentiment and racism.

TreyDa Goat i agree with Kyrie they should do something, but it will take time

@@nostalgiacorner1999 I can deal with latent sentiment much easier than a knee on my neck.

Both makes sense 🙄it's not a kyrie vs LeBron thing y'all always comparing mfs

ReeseTheComedian I sympathize with Kyrie but I’m with LeBron on this one!!!

You shouldn't. What the 28 year old doesn't understand, is that their entire Identity is of a basketball player. Barkley said it best, if they refuse to play, they'll be out of sight out of mind coz nobody will pay attention... Just the way the world works.

Without the NBA the movement will fail reason being no other Professional sport would bring awareness to BLACK LIVE MATTER. The NFL was afraid to follow Kap, and MLB is majority white, NHL majority white and NASCAR already under pressure, which has brought the white racist out in grove's! The NBA will keep national attention on the issue regardless who's getting paid. If those men don't play and give those interviews, wear those T- shirts, show unity on national television the movement will fail, and we'll find ourselves fighting with one another about which direction to go in...! We can't afford those problems right now, Kyrie is being young hothead right now, and be needs to see the entire picture verse worrying about whose getting paid. The truth is you're going to pay some white man or women something to get national attention on any issues or product. Don't forget they own the cameras my sisters.

The 15 million that watch the NBA are probably the ones protesting

By that logic lets have 330 million American protest because more is alway better... I agree with kyrie not playing would hit harder than playing.

Good luck playing with a 8 man team.

When you go to work does it take away from the social injustice and the protest...no...people with intelligence can care about more than one thing at a time. Sort of like I am protesting but I still wear a mask for the virus...see two things at once.

@@hopentethking1966 go to work and protesting, is not equivalent to protesting while wearing a mask.
I 100% agree with kyrie that starting up sports will take focus away. Lebron ingored tamir rice's family in cleveland when they asked for his voice. This is more about legacy/chip, the blm issue is much bigger than the season finishing.

Really? What about the CBA clause that forces everyone to pay back money for lost revenue if the season gets scrapped, then reopens the door for labor negotiations? Players & lower employees will get hit worse than the owners will.

Resuming the season is about FAR more than just winning a chip for legacy sake. It gives some folks their jobs back, & gives us sports that we’ve been craving since they ended. Then it gives the players a boost in money that can be used to assist the BLM movement btw. I’m not ignoring the issues folks who disagree with resuming the season have, but don’t tell me that this restart is only about legacy & winning a chip. There’s genuine BENEFIT to doing so, other than just a championship.

@@Therealgibz So let me get this right. Me going to work takes away from the cause of injustice and I should sit home to demand that justice. I guess you have no job or want one because according to you I should be listening to a flat Earth theory fool and staying home like you to rep the cause. Kyrie is one of the most contrary dudes in sports. Next week it will be I did not quite mean it like that.

LeeTravius Mckay no he’s not. If the virus ain’t stop the season they would still be playing right? If George Floyd died they would’ve just worn the Tshirts right? Ok then.

Yup, Kyrie is a 100% right

Lebron's way will have more impact towards the BLM movement

@@emanuelalrocks No, it won't, l think Kyrie's way would have an impact that could go even further than just the BLM movement, because he wants to hit those in power where it hurts, their pockets, in the end, that's what it comes down to, money

Nice shot at LeBron

You should give skip other pointers

@@leonmulama3592 do you think Lebron will act the same way if this happened last season, when he was "INJURED" and out of the playoffs? I doubt... hahaha

It’s a easy decision for Kyrie... he’s injured 🤕 as usual and out for the season!!!!!!

Which one is better - being a Sellout or Hero?

And if he gets to the finals, he’ll lose

As a non-American, I just want to see them play. I'm not even a Bron fan but calling him a sellout and hypocrite just because he "did his job" is as stupid as the protesters who loot.

CyberAMES boy mind your business 👋🏾

CyberAMES I totally agree with you but a lot of people are gonna take it the wrong way

Where was Kyrie voice?

Damian Presha not as supportive or vocal about social problems as lebron is

lebron did more for the black community than any players in NBA actually. Stop hate on him. a lot of people hate on him but they did nothing.

Tom SL how do you know that? Do you know every player in the NBA to know what they did? I can assure you you’re wrong I know low level players that do way more than any top level player. Please do your research on more platforms than TV. There are plenty of athletes that do it for the love of the community that gets 0 media coverage. I’ve witnessed it personally growing up so I never bite on what TV says people do. Lebron lives in LA what has he done in Crenshaw or Leimert Park? those are black communities right next to him. He put money into a Public School (it’s not his school) and I applaud that and he’s been vocal about issues but miss me with the “he’s done more than any NBA player for the black community “ you probably don’t even know lebron and I’m sure you don’t know every player to know if that’s true

Scoop EN’ Score money speaks louder and is more substantial then just showing up in those areas, monetary wise he’s done more then any other nba player in the league right now

Clearly you’re young. This is bigger than basketball