A Players True Talent: Ha-Seong Kim and bWAR vs fWAR
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- 게시일 2023. 07. 29.
- WAR, or Wins Above Replacement, tells us how valuable a player has really been in helping his team win. The top of the WAR leaderboards is filled with MVP and Cy Young candidates, but at the top of the list this season is a surprising name: Ha-Seong Kim. In this video, we take a deep dive into Ha-Seong Kim's true talent and how it can be measured using two popular statistics: bWAR and fWAR. Using Ha-Seong Kim's performance as an example, we'll explore the differences between these two statistics and how they can provide different insights into a player's performance. Whether you're a baseball fan or just interested in statistics, this video is a must-watch for anyone looking to understand how player value is measured in the MLB.
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Another underrated stat. As a leadoff hitter for the Padres, he has OBP of .400. AND he leads the league in pitches seen per plate appearance, allowing guys hitting behind him to see what the pitcher's got. An amazingly intelligent player with high baseball IQ
.374 OBP right now, 18th in MLB. You'd love that from any player, let alone your leadoff. The pitches per plate appearance is such an underrated thing, great point!
@@SmartrBaseball that is his overall obp. He was mentioning his splits when he is a leadoff hitter which is.429 OBP and 175 wrC+. He started the year batting mostly towards the back of the lineup. Melvin sticks him in 1st at all times now because of how well he has been playing (disregarding righty/righty matchups).
Oh my bad I didn't catch that. Then uh, ya no that's pretty damn good lol
There are speculation that Kim could be traded to cost cut. Just like the Padres to let the most consistent player in the team go.
@@RussellRussell-wy2om lol no
HA SEONG KIM is amazing. Super underrated.. hope he gets more recognition, cause this guy amazes me every game...
Definitely a guy to have on a winning team, does a lot of things right at a couple spots.
@@greengospanish2688 kim got a lead off homer in coors. the dude is on fire right now. pads need to extend him before he costs too much money lol.
I use the chant stat: how many people in the crowd chant your name. HSK wins that one.
STH here and honestly his cheers are almost if not as loud as chants for tatis. it's insane.
Name another play who plays + defense at 2B, SS and 3B? He has proven that he can play gold glove calibre defence at each of these positions.
The only other player who comes close, unless I am missing someone, is Santiago Espinal of the Jays. Kim has been incredible valuable as a defender and was a huge stabilizing force when Tatis was gone last year. His base running has always been above average but I’m so thrilled to see him reach that next level with his bat. Love this player.
Also, anyone else remember his handshake from last year with Profar? It was the coolest I have seen, haha. He’s a lot of fun on the bench but also just such a gamer and so consistent. Hugely underrated!
HSK is a player every team needs in order to win: his team comes first, does whatever is asked of him, and is probably the most popular guy in the locker room...the intangibles of baseball are very underrated. He is simply magic.
These kind of guys that do everything right are what hold great teams together, the glue guys are sometimes the most important on the team.
Baseball stats are hilarious. Let's just say this: HSK is him. Dude is fantastic.
My favorite player in padres
This is a superb explanation about WAR. Also, you picked a perfect player to lay out about it. Very informative clip for serious baseball fans, and I appreciate it.
Kim is a joy to watch as a fan, and I've been wondering what his ceiling may actually be. He is absolutely beloved at Petco.
If this is his near peak then that's pretty good, and great to see how much the fans are behind him.
@@SmartrBaseball the fans started chanting his name back when he was hitting .220… that’s how beloved he is
Baller!!! Love his energy...
Clarification: for offense both sites use a version of weighted Runs Above Average that's calculated from wOBA, not OPS+/wRC+. Thank you @tysmotherman8113 for clarifying, sorry for any confusion, I hope you still got something out of the explanation of the two.
New subscriber; glad to have found your channel. Thank you for making a video covering Kim
Thank you, happy you enjoyed the channel, is Kim your favorite player?
@SmartrBaseball I like him a lot! He is polarizing but a solid, hard working, and interesting player. I'm a Padres fan and San Diego has really embraced him! I love baseball content!
Korean Padres fan here! Thank you so much for getting our HSK recognition he deserves!
Of course, glad you enjoyed the video, its awesome to see more MLB stars from across the globe!
This is the best war breakdowns ive seen. Really well explained
He’s actually wrong on how they value hitters. Both use wRAA that is park adjusted. BR does not use ops+ and fangraphs does not use wRC+ because these are rate stats and you need a counting stat to see how many runs they contribute. Otherwise a 120 wRC+ with 50 PA is equivalent to a 120 wRC+ with 600 PA and this is not true
You're correct, thank you for clarifying.
You explained in GREAT detail how the parenting stat titles worked by not the WHY HSK mapped to #1.
I think he's a top Short stop.
Maybe something about proficiency
The value of Petco to a hitter VS coors field.
Solid vid on a player that's starting to get some well deserved love. He's improved every season in the MLB and when Melvin THANKFULLY replaced Grisham with Kim in the leadoff position he's absolutely thrived.
Great explanation, subbed! Would it make sense, I wonder, to favor B WAR for the current season, MVP voting, etc, and F WAR for predicting the next season? The latter seems more abstract and predictive while the former is just more saying "here is what happened this season".
I'd definitely say so for pitchers (I'll do a video on that soon), for hitters I don't think they're too different, I kinda add the two together for like a total WAR
@@SmartrBaseball Very interesting. I didn't watch baseball for decades but it has become very interesting with this metrics stuff, always something new to learn.
Yes please for pitchers. Very helpful
I'll start looking for someone like Kim to compare the two for pitchers
Def like to see a vid about Pitchers. 2 things really like to see included are 1) 2-3 different categories of P, SP, LHB splits matchup specialists, high leverage late innings SIRP & CL, and maybe multi innings RP like MR & LR, and specific values & potential impact on game (like on avg say SP impact is over roughly 6 innings & much larger amount of IP, while a CL impact is extremely compressed into under 1 IP to 1⅓ IP usually & sharp divide between a W & a L/blown save over a usually low amount of pitches thrown, making the value {hopefully takes how high & low of leverage situations, quality of hitters & field into an adjusted scale & value) of each successful & unsuccessful + & - P value/impact pretty high). 2) some sort of relevant values for spin rates, avg velocity, quality of stuff, command & control, value of P combos against similar combo at MLB avg, and success of P combos Vs all types across MLB on avg
I wish there was a stat sophisticated enough for all that, we just don't have it yet for baseball. Fangraphs has a splits leader board tool that's great for looking at how guys do in those matchups/situations, I'd check that out to find out about your first point. For the second there's stuff+, location+, pitch+ etc to see how good someone's stuff and command is relative to the league (also on fangraphs). If you need links let me know. I hope one day we have a true all in one stat that puts everything together.
I'll just say that Kim is having a great season. His defense has always been great but I didn't think his offense would improve as much as it has. The man works hard on his game. Is he as good as Acuna. No way. But he is a much better shortstop than the Padres current guy Bogaerts. By far.
He is having a great season, but if yoi go back for the past 8 years Xander has been possibly the most consistent hitter in the game while playing a premium position up the middle. He is having a rough year so far but I wouldn't jump the gun by saying Kim is better
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Honestly we should have 2 Different wars. OWAR (Offensive War) and DWAR (Defensive War). Then just use the standard formula to show normal war
질문있습니다!!!!!! 나는 한국인으로서 김하성 선수의 플레이가 너무 재밌습니다.
세계최고의 야구의 나라 미국인들은 김하성의 플레이가 어떻게 생각하나요???
We absolutely love him. San Diego chants his name every game!
Americans love him because the Padres are where the best players go to die, but Kim has done the exact opposite. Meanwhile our former favorites like Darvish, Tatis, Soto, etc. are fading away from memory. I'm just sad that Choi Ji Man joined the team because I really liked him, but soon he will turn into poop like the others.
I believe an error counts as an out in OBP thus in OPS
Huh, I guess reaching on a fielders choice doesn't count either, never realized it was just hits/walks/hit by pitch. One of those things I just never questioned growing up I guess
@@SmartrBaseball yeah also sac flies dont affect AVG while it hurts OBP but sac bunts dont affect both AVG and OBP
HSK 👑
I saw on BR website that they use an “advanced wRAA” and not ops+. My assumption is this advanced wRAA is wRAA but park adjusted just like fangraphs does with batting runs
Had to research more and it looks like you're right, they both us a form of wRAA they get from wOBA that's weighted to the league offense. There's so much different crap about how both of these are done I can see why people don't like WAR.
It should be necessary to review the NL MVP battle again.
No need to talk about the AL MVP.
I think the conversation then would be how valuable is defense? WAR tends to value defense more than most people do, so what's more valuable, a top 3 hitter and baserunner in baseball with meh defense in RF, or a top 20 hitter and baserunner playing great defense at 2B, SS, and 3B? AL is a wrap Ohtani's taking it no doubt right now lol
🤯 H. S. K.!!!! Video is obscured 2X
Ya it got copyright claimed, so I wanted to see if blurring those parts would get rid of it, and it said screw you and flagged two other clips lol it should be back to normal
This is like when Kelso asked his dad what his job was
I can always appreciate a good That's 70s reference
Wait, you can’t compare someone’s hitter war with Ohtani’s hitter war since Ohtani’s doesn’t take his defense (pitching) into account while Kim’s and acuna’s do…Ohtani is far and away the war leader lol, the intro is very misleading
You're absolutely correct he's the WAR leader, they just didnt plan for a player like Ohtani with these stats. Since he DHs when he doesn't pitch he's not playing defense, so you have to add his position player and pitching WAR together.
Fwar 5.9 from hitting and 2.1 from pitching, 8 total (Acuna 5.9 also top hitter, Wheeler 4.3 top pitcher).
Bwar 5.5 from hitting, 3.3 from pitching, 8.8 total (Kim/Acuna 5.6 top hitters, Cole 4.9 top pitcher)
Ohtani is just an alien that keeps breaking baseball, sorry if what I said came across misleading.
@@SmartrBaseball no worries thanks for clarifying!!
@@SmartrBaseball and great video and channel btw haha. I love me some HSK and padres in general. But yeah Ohtani is just disgusting eith what he’s doing
I'm surprised the Korean district in Claremont is not making murals of this guy come on Claremont you can do better than that that's your guy in SD
Watching Hassan Kim everyday is amazing that dude is on fire this is not Fernando tatis team this is not machado's team this is not Juan Soto's team this is not Sandra bullard's team this team belongs to Hassan Kim San Diego is his and the Padres fans chant his name 46,000 people every game chanting his name every time he comes up to bat because they know this is his this guy belongs on the Padres and should retire a padre
Ha seong Kim is Him
So Ha-Seong Him?
You know what’s annoying ohtani does play defense
He gets WAR as a pitcher too, but since he DHs when he's not pitching he doesn't get value for defense, you just have to add both his WARs together then he's clearly in first.
Nerds making jocks do homework! Too many different sources for my taste.
Blah blah blah..there is not one player in the HOF just because of WAR
WAR is the worst advanced stat in baseball
no
The video is tooooooooooooooooo distracting to concentrate on the data in the presentation. Don’t you think so?
HSK gives everything he got! SD players should follow-up like awesome Kim 😢