The Crown | The Queen Challenges Margaret Thatcher

She Gary Oldman’d into the role, I couldn’t believe it was her after I was blown away by the Thatcher scenes and looked up who it was

SHOULD have!! She was BRILLIANT!! i never imagined she could pull that off from watching the X-Files

It's totally up there with Meryl streep perfomance.

meryl was garbo honey, bow down to GA @@Luiseut59

That's Gillian Anderson?
Excuse me while I take a moment to add a name to the list of actors who inhabit a role so well that you can't recognize the actor but intimately know who they are portraying.

She did a better job than Thatcher

But not like Steve Nallon.

You're absolutely right. Streep stunk

Nah. This is just better written role.

Lol no. Just no. She didn't look like Thatcher, she didn't sound like Thatcher, and, most obviously, she didn't act like Thatcher. Gillian should have stuck to chasing aliens - at least she did that halfway convincingly.

Who cares? So irrelevant in this exchange

I would have been so terrified to take that role after Meryl but she was amazing. Im no fan of her politics but she was not called the iron lady lightly.

This was extraordinary!!!

But right...;)

Thing is I never knrw he had money, I honestly just thought the story was about a man helping another man he wasn't supposed to help....something about one being a Getile or something like that

@@TheOblake2The genius of the parable is that Samaritans were looked down upon by the Jews at the time; they were thought of us “half-breeds.” So the phrase “Good Samaritan” was essentially an oxymoron. But Jesus makes a Samaritan the hero of the story and just about everyone else a villain for refusing to help. The story isn’t really about the Samaritan at all, it was to make a larger point to the disciples about what really matters - not where someone comes from but by how they choose to live their life and how they treat others. All of that said…yes, he did also have money. :)

Maybe a better way to put it (and more sympathetic sounding) is: He had the ability as well. In case a person is helped by material goods, yes, that ability is derived from money, as was the case in the parable of the good Samaritan.
And I think it's absolutely right, before you can help others, you need to make sure you have the means to help. It sthe first rule emergency responders learn: Care for your own safety first, or you will become an emergency yourself. You need a functioning body to help. Same with the economy: If your economy runs badly, no social program will save the poor because you cannot pay for any social programs

@@An0niem4 thats actually a great point. I actually reread the parable of the good samaritan particularly the part that apart from mending the injuries of the victim and took him to an inn, he paid for the persons lodging and treatment in advance for the entire duration of his recovery and then went further to say if the money he left was short they can charge him later for the balance once he comes back.
The Samaritan DID have money, lots of it.

"the one who works less, Ma'am"

@@secretmagic331 Which is why we should all aim to work less and not force each other to work more to build our "character". What good is character and independence if you work yourself to death before enjoying it? 😅 I remember reading that when Thatcher died, the most played song in England was ding dong the witch is dead 🤣

@@Tony-Andersonthatcher was great. Made britain much better..
as far as ur comment thi it reminds me of when ginsburg said she would outlast trump. She croaked lmao, now conservatives own the court in america for the next generation 😂

​@@Tony-AndersonPeople with daddy's money would disagree.

The crestfallen look on "the Queen's" face said it all. Not entirely used to debating with someone with ready answers.

😁😁😂😂😂😂😁😁

Not if you're a Tory

Well she is playing a 60-something woman here of course

Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!

I'm a Yank but I would be a Tory if I were British! And Gillian looks good naked, but she looks even better nicely dressed! That outfit and that hair are sexier than Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would have paid serious money to see the real Margaret Thatcher naked!

Proper lad

Now I have to research but before I do, this south African government was the corrupt one that didn't let women choose to do well anything. Let religion run them rather than democracy and if I'm not mistaken Mandela had a run in with as well

While true, it’s misleading to say that in the context of this clip is set in 1986, when he was involved in building a university in Oman, and probably some arms deals (selling British arms to Saudi Arabia).
In 1987 he moved to the US and got involved in the car industry for a decade, before moving to South Africa because he’d fudged his US taxes.
He got involved in the coup in 2004.
I don’t think he’d had much to do with South Africa at all when this clip is set, and it implies a conflict of interest that didn’t exist (while overlooking the one that did exist with Saudi Arabia).

Jugular, as in, the jugular vein. not 'juggler'.

"Crusty jugglers..."

@@anonUKYES!

The poor bloke ! What did the miserable chap do to deserve having been had at !?…Was he a sort of failed court jester ?

@@albertarthurparsnips5141 Benny Hill did a good bit about a Royal Jester that was beheaded by the King.

99% of British don’t speak like this, but I know what you mean. The posh tend to use verbose vocabularies and condescension to intimidate their opposition.

I'm sorry to tell you most of us don't talk like this, as amazing and dignified that would be. Certainly better than going around saying things like "bruv" or "innit". It makes us seem incompetent.

oi blody el govnah wot yew on about?

Nah bro this is just London

we here in englund have always relished the way you yanks type words goodly! cheers bruv!

lmao

😂😂😂 brilliant

Star Wars reference?

@@fertderto5594 This guy gets it.

@@connarcomstock161 What's wrong with your faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace?

It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money. The government should provide everyone with everything they need all the time, thats compassion. But the world doesn't work like that. You need to rob Peter to pay Paul, and Her Majesty in this case, as compassionate as she was, was not the one getting robbed.

@@bengoacher4455 It reminds me of a show called The Gold (2023), set in the '80s, it lauds the independent financial spirit of the time including how so many of low-birth could rise up whilst attempting to criticise that very idea. It confused me.

@@bengoacher4455 it's a shame how greedy society has become since the deregulated and predatory capitalism of the '80s. conservatives like the pretend that it simply has to be this way. how coincidental. it has to be the way that allows the rich to extract record profits, and the poor to continue to be miserable. all the while they forget that there is very little point in having an organised society at all if it is necessary that it fails a significant portion when it comes to basics like owning a home, access to dentistry etc. these are all things that profit comes before. what a hellscape

Epic

It's the eye roll for me

Is Schindler's list actually referred to as "the list"? I find it so lazy

@@dariusus9870 I found it so lazy that you didn’t capitalize the word “list” following the word “ Schindler’s”.

@@James7977-ge3oi Should it be capitalized? It makes no sense to capitalize a regular noun. I didn't say you're lazy though but you got triggered like a little girl. No wonder you wrote "the list". Do you also listen to "the mode?" with a capital M of course.

@@dariusus9870…Depeche Mode?

I found his whole list lazy as all are White!

No, one’s a great actress and the other one tries to be

"Receive royal waves???? Do You hear yourself?!"

I remember their wedding as a week day , got home from school and my grandparents were at our house watching the wedding .

@@CaliToTheCrowdRoyal waves don’t sound too bad

Stop taking this as a documentary. This scene is purely imagined. Absolutely nobody knows what they discussed since there was noone else in the room.

They disagreed on a lot, but there was mutual respect.

Don't quip with someone who is well-read and prepared. Olivia's character is obviously used to ruling over everyone.

Very true. This was one of the Queen’s few missteps.

I heard from somewhere she actually didn't say anything about the prime Minister, It's the queen's secretary who don't like her,so he put those word in the queen's mouth,and she was very angry about that.

The off hand mention of her corrupt son’s South African dealings. Thatcher was fine with corruption where it could gain something for her children, her son.

I would admire that because that is call speaking truth to power!

"Just 6 months between us."
"Oh, and who is the senior?"
"... I am."
Her timing exuded authority.

You could admire it if it wasnt Thatcher doing it. She was called the wicked witch for a reason.

@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG There was no truth coming from Thatcher.

Would have been more powerful if she wasnt wrong

It should be borne in mind this is not one take.

They avoid mindlessly scrolling through You Tube and Facebook...

He had made most of his money on his own by then. By 1919 he had his own grocery shop and by 1923 he opened a second one. He became major of the small town of Grantham in 1945.

He worked for it though didn’t he like his daughter.

Is he related to the Earl of Grantham? Or Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island?

Can't say I blame him - I don't like his daughter either​@@vantheman1238

They were not well off.

Why she was a terrible person

Liz wanted sanctions, Thatcher wanted improved business relations.

The latter.

@@fromthefountofyouth Margaret Thatcher better be burning in hell if there is one.

Peter Morgan also wrote "The Audience". What worked in the theater (I saw it in NYC) probably wouldn't work on TV.

It is still a comedy?

For the series, not anymore. It became awkward confrontation.

@@mikery12 was it good watch?

This attitude only works if all you really wanted was to be remembered. Obviously, that is all Thatcher wanted.

​@@theresabowers5291That attitude works if you want to foster self-reliance and prosperity, which, in turn, leads to voluntary giving. So spare us your pop psychology armchair analysis.

@@patricksachs3655 prosperity? the entire working class disagrees mate

@@fgjsdfgjkl Argumentum as populum. And I would remind you that it was the "working class" that repeatedly voted for Thatcher in droves.

@@patricksachs3655 as if your initial statement isn't unfounded lmao. you're giving hasn't achieved anything in life so repeats fallacies he learnt on reddit-energy

Just Olivia

It's not a movie

@@o8byrner08 i was meaning that Just Olivia is an oscar winner, referring to the first comment

Debatable.

You mean Elizabeth?

The real Thatcher was far worse than any media portrayal

You think she's detestable, sensible people know she's right.

It’s wild I don’t think anything she said was detestable that’s crazy ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

​@fuegoBunni It's not wild, she's literally churchill but in a female body and can actually speak normally lol. She's wasn't bad in any way.

​@@Riley_MundtBoth can be true.

That's nonsense, and the kind of thing I only hear from bad artists. There is a subjective aspect to art, as with all things, and there really is no accounting for taste, but there are technical aspects to art that are well established and quite objective. If there weren't then there wouldn't be bad art, bad writing, bad acting or bad dancing. You couldn't grade an art exam, you couldn't fail and art exam.

Yeah I thought that as well

The opposite, Thatcher did not want to place economic sanctions on SA's apartheid regime and one of the reasons (as a matter of speculation) was that her son held business interests in SA.

She was opposed to sanctions, not for them. But yeah pretty much what the line was getting at.

because she was full of rust

Because she's an insufferable and impertinent woman that fully earned the way she died: alone, forgotten even by herself, cared for by Windrush beneficiaries (who still carry the NHS today).

I think you're referring to when she stoops and says your majesty?
It's a sign of courtesy to curtsey/bow to the reigning monarch. As the PM she has to follow these protocols