Making A Strangler - The Office US
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- 게시일 2018. 03. 15.
- Through archive footage we delve into the theory of whether mild mannered HR Rep Toby Flenderson could have been the infamous Scranton Strangler all along.
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Toby didnt kill Michael because he was affraid of prison mike.
klol
oh boy he would be the bells of the ball
i would like but i don't want to ruin the 69
@@skylerp5740 same!
Hello there
Toby confessed to the dude he visited in prison that he knew he was innocent bc he was the strangler.
The dude lost it and attacked him...
8:51 hes smiling like hes planning to rub it in. Is there a way to find out if George Howard Skub is the guy Toby's ex-wife left him for?
@@Interstellar_Bum oh shitt
Thats what I said
What episode is that scene in?
Naw man. Toby further framed the man by strangling himself.
You’re also forgetting the christening of Jim and Pams baby…and Toby can’t go in to the church because he has “issues to work out with god”
While there could be a double meaning to his words, the more obvious one is from when he left the clergy for a woman
and don't forget he is divorced
He was in The Seminary and left for a gal and got divorced lol
If i recall correctly, at the end of the episode he goes to the church alone to pray, doesn't he?
@@theReppiksRealm No, he goes into the church and asks God why God is so mean to him. That's all you see.
This is leaving out the part where Toby easily climbs the fence after everyone got locked inside and he announced he is gonna move to Costa Rica after touching Pam. Toby revealed he is more athletic and physically able than his weak and calm appearance lets you believe.
exactly
Plus the episode ‘Fun Run’ where Toby comes first out of everyone
He also won the fun run... It seems pretty obvious that the character toby is in shape.
Wasn't he also the guy in charge of the self defense class they had one episode?
@@felixLucretius true
Most compelling piece of evidence... when everyone is watching the car chase....... Toby’s nowhere to be seen.
Scot McCoy Also it's his car being chased and his phone rings, meaning he called to confess to everyone in the office
Also the car in the chase was in the parking lot when Michael, Dwight, and Andy were doing parkour
Wouldn't that make it not Toby though...? If they caught the person driving in that car, and Toby was driving that car, then Toby would have got caught. Obviously Toby wasn't in the car.
That and, "His lingering is so annoying... I'm gonna kill him."
Creed was also missing
When Toby strangles his victims, he pictures Michael's face as he's doing it.
No he see's Jim's face Jim "Stole" Pam from toby (you see I capitalized every letter to everyone's name but toby because I dislike him,)
@@caterpillars1447 But why? Why does everyone hate on Toby? I kinda feel bad for him.
@@cuppajoe2 i kinda feel bad but just his attitude i don't like him for that
Star Gamez he’s a single dad, who works in Human Resources and gets harassed by his coworkers.
@@cuppajoe2 I feel bad for him but honestly i have my own opinion so yea......
I like to think that during Toby's visit to see the "Scranton Strangler", he actually just visits the person he set up to make everyone think he's the one. During the visit he just goes laugh at him and thats why he got attacked.
Either that or the dude was his partner (maybe a getaway driver or something) and he was angry he abandoned him, Toby however felt bad since the guy was his partner. That’s my theory anyway
That doesn’t make sense though. If he knew he set him up then why would he go back? The man is on death row and can’t do anything to get back at Toby, so it would only make sense if Toby believed the man was innocent and would like him.
@@DDub04 It does make sense though. Isn't it evil enough to act like a nice guy, but he goes to visit the person in jail to just laugh at him? He probably got attacked and it just looked even better for Toby to make him look like the nice guy he tricks everyone to believe he is.
Is there a scene where we actually see the Scranton Stangler strangle Toby? Is it possible that Toby strangles himself in there while no one is looking? He does survive the altercation after all.
@@jvandyck87 or the guy was innocent and Toby confessed that he was the strangler, no one would believe the guy so he became enraged and did try to strangle Toby
The office writers should create a "documentary" where they reveal the real Scranton killer and his story, starting from his childhood up to now. I would watch that.
That would just ruin the fun mystery of it.
What do you mean, you literally just watched it
Stupidest idea I ever heard.
Yeah, I'd love to see Toby's biography.
I'd watch it.
This is such a underrated line from Dwight
“To my chickens I’m the Scranton strangler”
this made me scream!
I honestly don't know if this is just a "Dwight being Dwight" moment or a double entendre
STLCODPS3123 both which is why it’s so so good
Take away the plurality in ,"chickens" and that becomes a much different sentence
Yes! I didnt remember it but when I saw it all I could think was, oh shit! Dwight just straight up admitted to choking his chickens lolol
0:56
Michael : You are the silent Killer, go back to the annex
** Toby looks at the Camera **
Toby : You'll see.
BROOOOOO
He said you’ll see and later on in the series you see Dwight has to shut down the building because the exact thing happened that he said
Well that’s because they were talkimg about radon which is actually hella dangerous
The perfect crime
Guys he said you’ll see because of the radon and Michael was blowing him off.
It's a miracle that Michael survived the series
The only reason Toby didn’t strangle Michael is because everyone would find out
@laslalal8451 yup. Toby's strong motive would automatically incriminate him.
- Yes! The case of the horrible Redheaded sad-sack.
- And the verdict? It was Toby. And the sentence? Death.
- Death to Toby.
*well that escalated quickly*
Love that scene
"DEATH TO TOBY!" "Now thats hateful talk, we talked about this
the scranton strangler never actually killed anyone. in a behind the scenes it was said that he just choked them until they passed out because he wasnt strong enough
Sounds like Toby to me
If that was true, why was he on death row?
Jonathan Campbell a lot of attempted murder would be my guess
Jonathan Campbell Attempted murder cases rack up
definitely sounds like Toby lol but why would someone get the death penalty for that?
When CeCe was born, Andy got her a gift of the news paper, but because the baby was late, he had to replace it with a different title called, “The Scranton Strangler Strikes Again.” Note that Toby hadn’t shown up to see the baby.
Because he was probably mad that cece was born because toby likes Pam
LosMichael and because he was in such a state of rage, he strangled someone
@@happyrat5230 yup
LosMichael lmao just realized that’s what your comment was saying. I’m dumb
OHH GOD we never suspected.... The baby
Maybe Michael was smarter than we thought, he figured out Toby was the Scranton Strangler. Michael loves his employees so much he couldn’t bear the fact that he couldn’t keep Toby away from them so he selflessly aggravates Toby so if he murders anyone in the office, it’s him. I salute you Michael, you were the best of us.
But when there was a fire he was the first one to run out of the building
Son? Look how much you’ve grown
He didnt know he was the scranton strangler but he surely didnt get a good vibe from Toby. He knew something was off about him
I am not sure if this is sarcastic or just anoıther stupid office stan whose only watched tv show is The Office so he/she thinks every single thing means something big in it
If Michael really knew Toby is the stangler, he wouldn't be so mean to him, knowing he could be the next victim
This man jumped the fence of dunder mifflin while wearing a trenchcoat. There is no one that can convince me that he is not the strangler.
Its actually been revealed by the writers that he is not
@@ValkyrieXI2 where, give proof
@@ValkyrieXI2 proof?
Even the thumbnail suggests he was the killer.
@@ValkyrieXI2 well Paul Lieberstein is one of the writers and he is Toby, so is quite convenient that "the writers" say Toby is not the Strangler
Also remember when Michael framed Toby and he was freaking about the cops searching his things!
Michael buying weed was the most hilarious thing I've seen
Ramanathan Venkatakrishnan you mean salad
That’s a great point
Gabriel Barbosa when was it wrong to put caprese salad anywhere?
ares exactly
They don’t have a “best of Toby” but they have this episode
Harriett and Ben I don’t think this is the real office channel
michael scott runs this channel we all know it
@wipmat 007 it is either this one or the other one but I believe this is the real channel
There is no best of Toby
There is no beat of Toby because Toby is the worse 😂
If the writers really planned for Toby to be a suspect, they created one of the best thriller tv shows of the decade. If it was all a happy accident, they created one of the best mysteries.
He wasn't and he isn't.
Do you think Toby imagines everyone of his victims is micheal
Who do you think is the killer any why is it Toby?
@@sittinonthegodamcornerdoindope r u serious? have u read literally any of the comments or the caption? the entire video is literally because of the theories that toby is the killer
Yeah or even Jim
@@prodyungyu did you seriously not get the joke?
Nah
Toby is kind, remember he was very sweet with Michael when toby was supposed to counsel him
When Pam was having a baby Toby wasn’t there and since Pam was having a baby toby was mad because he is in love with Pam. Meanwhile Andy has to change the newspaper from “ spring has sprung” to “Scranton strangler strikes again”
Luke Roberts he was upset about baby so he decide to kill the day Its suppose to be born.
Toby isn't the Scranton stranger because wasn't he in the hospital from the zip line accident ??
Hamilton Fan nah that was in season 5. Pam had her baby in season 6
Part of the theory is that he’s salty about Pam.
When they were watching the strangler get caught they were all surrounded by Toby’s desk who was not there when the police caught him
Another piece of evidence is that Toby was reluctant to enter the church when CeCe was getting Christened, and he said that him and the "big guy" had a lot to catch up on
Toby also used to be in Seminary to be a Priest. He gave that up and left the faith completely.
AllTime Reviews, Lists and Lifestyle. childish
That has nothing to do with the Scranton strangler tho. Toby talks to the "big guy" (aka god) because he used to be a priest until he gave it up to marry his now ex-wife
Michael called Tobey the Antichrist too.
“Why you always so mean to me?”
4:38 I genuinely find it REALLY CUTE and FUNNY when Michael gets to see the strangler chase drive by and everyone else misses it. His expressions are priceless.
Knowing Michael, it's doubtful that even he saw it 🤣
My 7 yr old wants to be the first one to know and tell something just like Michael
It's such child behavioir. My boss at my work is literally just like Michael Scott. I would quit because of him, but I get paid too much.
@@Canadianvoice yeah no one can stand Michael Scott irl
@@dord4453The characters in the show can't stand him either, so everything is correct.
Is it just me, or it was much funnier when Toby was "normal" and Michael hated him for nothing? Cause later in the show he actually became annoying lol
As the old saying goes "If you constantly get treated like an animal, sooner or later you'll start behaving like one". So the whole Toby getting more and more annoying as the seasons went by thing I feel is just good character development.
Yes, I do agree. And not only happens with Toby, it also is the case for some other characters (cof, cof Pam, cof, cof); even if I don’t think that the two last seasons of the show are necessarily bad, Steve Carell’s exit affected the show tremendously.
He didn't change we just got more of toby
Michael was never supposed to "Hate" Toby, it happened when Toby's Character was signing a b-day card for Merideth, and he took forever, and after shooting the scene, Steve Carrell was talking about for some reason he felt an overwhelming hatred for Toby while he was waiting for him to sign the card, and the rest is history
still fine i think
Toby had a thing for pam and on the day her kid is born there is a killing, someone need to let out some anger...
Dear god thats a solid theory
@@shepherd8171 when they are watching the news about the strangler getting caught, toby isnt there and they are surrounding his desk
@Eliza Lee at the time of Jim and Pam's marriage?
@Eliza Lee I recall it being le strangler's 4th victim
@@austin7455 moreover toby must be used to the road in which office was, therefore he passed by Dunder Mifflin office.
Michael: "You are the silent killer, go back to the Anex"
Toby: "You'll see.."
I just realized he is a silent killer because he doesn't shoot them, he just strangles them, wow I'm dumb XD
yeah we all watched the video too
He was talking about the radon levels..
@@shoopersaiyan I know, but I mean it's a good parallel they did there
The legend says Toby is still out there trying to Strike on Michael and Strangle him.
The way Toby was letting the office guess the case while rubbing his neck, serial killer attitude right there full of pride and joy.
imagine the chaos Toby and Creed would cause if they were aware of each others capabilities.
It would be a battle for the ages but I think Creed Bratton would win.
In the scene when they were locked in, Toby just jumped the fence with ease.
Slippy Da Squid 👍🏼
Its not that hard...
Carl Johnson That is true, but not everyone can jump a fence that tall. It would take at least a bit of practice.
There are YT videos on how to hurdle a chain link fence. It’s all physics.
So what?
Just realized that the blackmail Creed had on Toby in that episode was probably proof he was the strangler. Really interesting to think about actually.
What episode?
Lauryn Gagliardi it’s a bonus mini episode. I didn’t find it that enjoyable but I thought the same thing^
@@laurynclaxton9002 You can actually find it on youtube, uploaded by this channel. Search 'The Office Blackmail' and you should see it. It makes sense if Creed knew, because he would not care at all.
JaxTv anything with creed is enjoyable
Bc "Creed" is also a killer
The best thing is about this show is there is no background laughter ..haha ..that's what makes this show great ..genuine humour.
Amen.
The queue they throw is the awkward look back to the cameraman
That's because they actually expect you to laugh
It was supposed to be a mocumentary, would have been weird if it had laughter tracks.
Instead it's Jim looking at the Camera or any character in the office looking at the camera that's their version of laugh track
Toby is the scraton strangler, in the parking lot, there is that exact car from the chase when micheal, andy and dwight do the 'parkour' scene. Also toby was the only one not at his desk when they were watching the scranton strangler chase. To add to this, when he goes into the prison i believe he told George Howard that he was the strangler and so he got angry and tried to kill him
Or alternatively Toby strangled himself to try and incriminate Howard more
Toby mentioned that he was writing a novel “ to frame a murder”
The Chad flendereon series?
it was called "a murder for framing"
He got strangled by the strangler dummy
@@chickenpatty5547 i think he got strangled because he told the guy in prison he was strangler i think, that might've just been a theory i saw. don't remember lol
Then he got actually strangled.
Michael "You are the silent killer"
Toby "You'll see"
Oh my god how did I miss that clue.
MikeMJPMUNCH yoo I know, it's cuz the script writing. When Toby says that, he gets inturrupted so quickly, that you can't even process it. The writing is kind of genius
Um. Except that the response was totally normal in the context of the dialogue.
I mean, I see what you're saying, but to me it is more Michael's line that foreshadows the Strangler Toby theory. Not the "you'll see".
I hate when people say that he was talking about the different radiations that were coming from different angles and said these are silent killers then micheal pretty much says he doesn’t care than he says you’ll see meaning the radiation would kill them
MikeMJPMUNCH sameee
You missed "Go back to the annex."
Jim - “Sounds like someone’s really trying to convince us that he’s not the Scranton strangler”
Dwight - “To my chickens I’m the Scranton strangler”
So good
The scene in Season 6 where Oscar admits Toby has gone off the rails since March and Toby doesnt deny it should have been included
“To my chickens, I’m the Scranton strangler.”
I strangle my chicken regularly
Miles Standish then the opening credits shows Toby’s name, Paul.
I prefer to snap their neck or slit their throat
Toby was upset that Jim and Pam were having a baby, so he killed again.
omg wait yeah! because he liked Pam!
He had a crush on Pam
No duh
The Scranton strangler didn’t kill
Strangler never killed anyone
Toby wasnt there when they were all waiting for the strangler to be caught...
Wasn’t that when he was in Costa Rica? Or am I way off
@@tregiangreco9225 Costa Rica was around season 3 or 4... The strangler was introduced in season 6 so yes, you're far off mate
And the car in the chase was the same color and model as a car that is seen in the Dunder Mifflin parking lot :]
Toby: *Exists*
Micheal: And I took that personally
I knew it. Toby was the man I most medium expected
Medium*
Cregingtonhissfam classic move👌🏼
I DO DECLARE!
Well, I do declare.
It has to be Toby. But I want to believe it’s Moses
Notice in the first scene: whenever Toby talks about the Scranton Strangler, He starts shaking his leg
@Klenovvy_Syrop more like a "tell" like in poker if you ask me
I think it's because he was nervous to talk with Nellie. He had a crush on her.
...It's literally only that one time when he's talking to his crush Nellie. I don't think one instance is good evidence.
Jacob Redfield well you can compare it to how he’s like when he talks to Pam, since he had a big crush on her too
Lil Clorox oh shit whaaat
THEY LITERALLY JUST ADMITTED ITS TRUE LMAO
Where
I'm guessing since it's the official office page
how?
@@kapkapchmurko cause it's the official yt channel, they didn't technically admit it, implied is the right word lol
Looks like they literally just admitted to us that Toby is NOT the strangler. Did you watch the video? He gets strangled at the end by the real strangler and they say that the man in jail is the real strangler lmao
The most compelling evidence is when Toby is chatting up Pam at her desk, I think when he's trying to summon up the courage to ask her out but I can't remember exactly. When it inevitably goes wrong for Toby, his hands go into a strangle hold and then he runs the fingers of one hand across her desk. This simulates the act of strangling somebody and then escaping (presumably because he's angry at his own ineptitude with Pam).
There's also the scene where Toby flees the office grounds after everybody gets locked in and they're waiting for Hank. Toby leaves the scene nimbly climbing over roofs and fences, suggesting he's very familiar with making an escape, unseen, into the night.
Shut up. The writers literally confirmed he's not.
@@karthikkr7561 When?
@@karthikkr7561 then why are you here lmao?
@@karthikkr7561 na you shut up.....IDIOT!
Maybe Toby became a strangler because after breaking his neck in Costa Rica he realized how fragile the neck is.
love is truely one of the great human weaknesses, second only o the neck. -Dwight K. Shrute
Dylan Reed I believe he said nostalgia, not love.
That is the best comment I have ever read on any The Office video. 😂😂😂
Mind blown
Nice👏
smh everyone’s forgetting about Prison Mike, he was never there whenever they mentioned the strangler and stopped making appearances.
Can I get 10 subscribers with no videos? 😭😭
FeEduard bro that’s the guy who commented the comments name not her asking for subs
that's very true lol
Kayleen Farinas you’re a dumbass
@@Kevin-hn7en why is she a dumbas, honest question?
When Toby was actually sharing to his office about his jury duty and giving obvious hints and smiling , that was really wholesome for some reason
"To my chicken's I'm the Scranton Strangler"
😂😂😂
"I'm gonna kill him." omg I didn't hear that line when I watched the show.
Where?
@@chrisraven8682 3:18
The captions say that on Netflix
Lar Rackell ok?
I didn't hear before but jeesus
Toby got strangled during his prison visit, because he taunted/revealed to George Howard Scubb that he was serving time for Toby's crimes!
I still think theres something behind the name 'George Howard Scubb' that we are all still missing
no he strangled himself
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I mean it's pretty obvious since the show was quite mean to him from the beginning. They had to give something to that character. like they did with jerry ( who was having out of his league sexy wife & daughters which therefore made the character unique) from parks and rec which btw was created by the same person who co-created the office us.
I can talk bout the scranton strangler (which is toby btw) all the day long btw.
Or bob vance.
Also, RYAN'S MISSING IN THE SCENE WHERE ALL OF THEM ARE WATCHING THE NEWS AT TOBY'S DESK.
@@addtoxiz1741 Go on....talk bob vance, vance refrigeration.
I love Toby's soft, calm voice.
Yes, it reminds me when Pam confessed she found Toby was cute, and had a calming presence in the office (before he leaves for Costa Rica I think)
Scranton Strangler is the person whom I most medium suspect ... it's Phyllis along with Bob Vance, Vance refrigeration
Would explain why Toby is so calm when people give him shit, because he releases all that stress and anger on killing people
Actually the funny thing is Scranton Strangler didn't kill anyone. He strangled the victims to the point where they just blacked out and left them this way.
@@insanem5258 Doesn't that prove the anger even more tho? Toby isn't a killer, he just has so much repressed anger inside he chokes someone when it gets to much, but doesn't actually have it in him to kill, so he just strangles until they fall unconscious o.0
This is my favourite conspiracy theory - that Michael's bullying of Toby pushed Toby so much, he broke and became The Scranton Strangler.
Let’s not forget that Pam also rejected him and she started dating Jim, which made him very upset, AND when he broke his neck in Costa Rica, and Costa Rica was is last chance for happiness, AND the fact that he is divorced, and he basically gave up everything (good education, good job, etc) to be with his wife, and then she brutally divorced him, and it’s been speculated that she was abusive to Toby, AND his own daughter doesn’t like him and rather is in favor with his ex wife, so there’s that too.
Didn’t he also spend a couple nights in his car?..
Its his family tbh he got a job he didn't want because he left his teachings and belief for a girl. His life have been miserable since day 1
Also because of his neck injury in Coastal Rica. (Yes I said *coastal* rica. Only Greg will understand)
Same , he ramined so calm when michael was mean to him bet he was burrying it all then lashes out outside the office, even if it didn't start because of michael he was definitly more fueled by him
"To my chickens I'm the scranton strangler" - one of the best lines in the entire show 😂 always cracks me up
“To my chickens I’m the Scranton stranger”
Oh Dwight, you never fail to put a smile on my lonely face
I would pay to see a movie about Toby and how he became the Scranton Strangler. Seeing him go into madness and take his first kill
the scranton strangler never kills, he just strangles. someone said that in the show
PhantomXcel strangles them to death dummy
Bitch Ass nope
Pinecone Ett planning to get Michael before he lost his chance after years of meticulous info gathering
Yeah, the Scranton Strangler only strangles you until you pass out
You should mention when Toby talks about his novel he’s writing “to frame a murder” which is exactly what he did
Oh shit
Holy shot forgot all about that
Oh I missed that fact, damn!
wath episode is that?
It was "a murder for framing"
There's something so amazing and real about the scene where Jim sits down with Toby to talk about counseling. They obviously had an opportunity to transition to funny when Clark comes in and Toby tells him to leave but they didn't take it and I love that. They really used the scene to develop Toby's character. Lots of compassion but clearly plenty of suffering going on with him. He's always been one of my favorite characters.
Toby is definitely the Scranton strangler let's look at his life his ex wife divorced him and re-married and he doesn't see his daughter but most likely pays alot in child support. He works for HR, he's hated by his boss and other co-workers. The girl he falls in love with Pam Marry's Jim and has two kids, also do you notice he moves to Costa Rica after Kevin mentioned to Jan they found the body of one of the Scranton strangler's victim? Do you notice the killings completely stop then restart when he moves back? Also I think everyone in the office knows he's the Scranton strangler but simply ignore it. The fact that he's always trying to convince anyone who listens that the man they convicted is actually innocent proves he's the actual killer and his colleagues most likely know it's him because in the episode The Chase he calls the office and his number pops up on the screen.
Kevin said that they found a missing little girl
Also when Creed was blackmailing everyone by sending them envelopes, Tobe was the only one accepting what Creed wants and we never heard his secret but rest.
Ricky C it was a deleted scene, but it’s on the office’s youtube channel
@@MD-vr3vf that was a webisode not deleted scene
You can look it up on "Creed blackmails everyone" he gives him a green envelope with a picture of him strangling someone, so Toby does what he says. Im surprised Creed never ratted him out.
@@SC-gh6gd I mean, Creed is a murderer so maybe he understood Toby at some degree.
@@SC-gh6gd who are you kidding, its creed. Nothing is surprising coming from creed
This is enough proof that toby is the scranton strangler,the main channel posted this...
axel ramirez omg!!! How did I not notice the main channel posted this the whole video??!??
Zina Ikeme 😂😂
This is a fan channel
@@OhCadinho nope
No, they just want to keep the debate going so that they can make more money.
I love that Michael didn't even see the Scranton Strangler's car 😂😂😂
Dwight lives such an involved, passionate and interesting life. Jim and Pam were wrong to make fun of him. Especially when he provided the office with a fresh Christmas goose
It's not Toby. It's Gabe. He is the person most mediumly suspected.
I feel like Gabe knew about Toby being the strangler and helped him cover it up. That’s why he does want them to watch the car chase. I think that the Scranton Strangler was both Gabe and Toby working together. Sometimes Toby would kill, and other times Gabe would kill.
The sad part is that I really like both Gabe and Toby.
Gabe was there when everyone was watching the Scranton strangler getting caught by the cops
L'e Potao exactly. Toby ended up realizing he convicted the wrong man.. Gabe framed him.
L'e Potao Gabe watched his work play out with a live audience
Shinigami Wait so ur was gabe who did it, and toby knew? Is that what ur saying?
Can they make a dark graphic suspense netflix series about toby's life as the scranton strangler? With some cameos from the rest of the office cast?
i NEED this
I need a series about Creed, dude must have a shady past😂
not the office reunion we asked for, but the one we deserve
Yes!!!
They should definitely do a spin off on this subject that would be epic
Guys. What about the fact that Toby knows he is being filmed at the office and still makes the decision to revisit a felony by talking about it constantly. That is what a criminal does- revisit the scenes of the crime. If he was the strangler would he really talk about this in front of the cameras? Unless he is insane or unstable, which could be true ofc.
"You are the silent killer, go back to the annex." Is one of the best lines between Michael and Toby for me. Top 5 best lines of the office in general I would have to say. Always gets me rolling
The reason Toby is so sure the accused suspect isn't the Scranton strangler, is because he is.
You don't say
But he got strangled by him in prison though
jdog167 he got strangled bc maybe he told the guy he was the real one and the guy in jail wanted revenge, so he tried to kill him
@@rafbandit3207 Yeah I suppose that could've been it
@Li Jenny Idk man, he could've just been crazy but idk at this point
It all makes sense as to why Toby might be the Scranton Strangler:
First of all. Toby has always looked so miserable when he's at work. Whenever he wanted to say something, Michael would interrupt him. Michael didn't like him and didn't trust him. Everybody thought he was boring and weird. He'd also gone through a tough divorce. Then we find out he has a crush on Pam, but he had to watch as Pam fell in love with Jim. He then moved to Costa Rica, and only a few days later he broke his neck when he was zip lining and spent over 4 weeks in the hospital. Things weren't looking good for him and he was just suffering. Then, everybody heard that the Scranton Strangler was being chased by the police. So everybody gathered around Toby's desk to see the police chase the strangler through his computer. But Toby wasn't at work. We could also see that the car that the strangler was in had been in the parking lot at Dunder Mifflin before and that could mean that the strangler was at Dunder Mifflin at some point. Then, when Pam was giving birth to her first child Cece, Toby was the only one from the office who didn't show up. I first thought that it was out of jealously because Pam was with another man. But when Andy had to change the newspaper so it'd match Cece's birthday, it said on the newspaper that the Scranton Strangler has striked again. Again, when Toby wasn't there. When Cece was gonna get baptised at the church, Toby just couldn't go inside for some reason. When the baptism was over and everybody had left. He went inside and said something like "God, why are you always picking on me" or something like that which makes me think that he felt guilty which explains why he tried to convince everybody that the Scranton Stranger wasn't the bad guy. Too many dots connect with him
I absolutely agree with the theory about Toby is the Scranton Strangler, but where could we see that strangler's car had been in the Dunder Mifflin parking lot before?
Nice perspective about Toby at church. When I first watched it, I thought he just doesn’t want to go in because he said he was about to become a priest, but then had sex with a woman so he was kicked out and i thought he just felt too guilty to walk in after that.
Kayla06091 No he left the ministry so that he could do it
And when the phone rung it could have been someone that new toby and his car and was asking if that’s his car
Melissa Shilkoff that parkour scene
The tangible hate that Michael dishes out to Toby is one of the funniest sidebits in The Office. The way he casually says: "You're the silent killer, go back to the annex" at 0:55, is just masterful 😃
I love how as soon as Toby starts talking about it everyone else just leaves without saying anything (minus Stanley)
Here, have some compelling evidence :D
- A car from that has been seen in the office parking lot can be seen in the car chase, ( if you want to see the car, the episode in which it is most clearly shown is the parkour episode, where they're jumping over the cars )
- For someone so bland, he wants to reach out and have connections, he knows he needs to seem more interesting, but never once does he mention that he does anything for his physical body, like working out. However, in the episode where everyone's locked in the office, Toby hops the fence with such ease
- When Pam is giving birth, everyone but Toby is there. When Andy is replacing yesterday's newspaper, it said on that days' newspaper "Scranton Strangler Strikes Again", meaning Toby might've strangled someone earlier that day
- Another reason he might not have shown up when Pam was giving birth, was because it definitely hurt him to see that the woman he loved was having a child with someone else, and ended up taking it out on someone, strangling them
- Not to mention how many times he sounds kind of ominous; Toby'll respond with something like=
"I'm gonna kill him."
"You'll see."
"I'm gonna murder someone."
- Also maybe a little foreshadowing when Michael says "You are the silent killer."
- Toby always gets nervous when the Scranton Strangler is mentioned, his leg starts shaking.
- He loves the mystery genre, he even writes books about getting away with crime.
- When you see Toby coming out of the jail after being strangled, you see his hand is holding his neck in an unnatural way to help comfort something that hurts, he holds it from 'above' almost and the way his hand is positioned looks like the way someone would choke another person from the front.
- Toby always mentions how he truly believes George Howard Skub is innocent, and that he was pressured to convict. (keep in mind pressured to convict in the next piece of evidence)
- Toby clearly felt WAY too guilty about sentencing someone who was widely believed to be a murderer to death, however Toby is easily susceptible to peer pressure, but he stands strongly by the fact he believes George Howard Skub is innocent.
- Outside the church, when Pam and Jim are getting Cece christened, Toby never goes inside the church until the Christening is over, he goes inside, looks at the stained glass picture of God and he says
"You and me got a lot of catching up to do."
- When everyone is watching the car chase at TOBY'S desk, the phone rings. Someone called Toby's phone directly, without having to be transferred by reception.
- ( I'm not exactly sure on the timeline for this ) When Toby goes to Puerto Rico, he injures his neck. Maybe he realizes how fragile the neck is as a part of the body and that's way he becomes a strangler
- Toby was SO EXCITED to be a part of the jury of the case of the Scranton Strangler, because that meant he got away with it and talked about it constantly.
- Toby - as an HR rep - KNEW the cops could search his desk if they wanted to, and was very panicked, more than a clean person should.
- Toby was also much more submissive to Creed when he blackmailed everyone, especially as someone who was a watered down goody-two-shoes. In this episode, he also defends Creed, desperately trying to stay on his good side because his evidence of blackmail was much more severe than everyone else's.
- Toby ( from his own perspective ) thought he might've had nothing to lose, he was divorced, everyone at his work hated him, even at the Dundies, Michael drives it into Toby's head that he was disgusting, and no one wanted him around. And because he definitely had well-kept, pent up anger because of what was mentioned above, he might've wanted to take it out on other people, but he was too weak to actually finish the job ( In a Behind The Scenes, it's confirmed that the Scranton Strangler was too weak to actually kill his victims )
-- I know that when I mentioned Toby seemed too weak to climb the fence with such ease, he might've seemed stronger than we thought, but still too weak to kill someone --
- I'm not sure what exactly happened at the jail, but it was implied Toby KNEW for a FACT the 'Scranton Strangler' was innocent. He probably went up to the alleged Scranton Strangler, told him he knew he was innocent, and once again framed the 'Scranton Strangler', by choking himself, as the final nail in the coffin
OR
- Toby went up to the Scranton Strangler, told him he knew he was innocent, and the poor guy, framed, sentenced to life in jail or sentenced to death and the man who framed it for him, convicted him of it, was just only a few feet away and the guy lost it on Toby, then strangled him.
- When Michael is forced to do therapy with Toby, Michael makes it clear he didn't want to be there, and when he was done filling in the assessment, Gabe looks at Toby and asks,
Gabe: " Is that really how you feel?"
Toby: ( hesitantly ) "Yes."
Gabe: "You marked 'Severe' in all categories, including 'At risk for homicidal behavior'
At which Toby smiles and chuckles
- He also CLEARLY makes an effort never to lose his temper, to make it seem like a very unlikely suspect for a crime of any sort.
- Toby didn't kill Michael because he was afraid of prison mike :D
- When Toby hops the fence in the episode everyone's locked in, another small detail is that he goes in the same direction the car did in the car chase.
- Toby mentioned he was writing a novel, the title being, "To frame a murder."
Now listen, you're absolutely wonderful for reading this long list of my overthinking brain all the way to the bottom, you're amazing :)
I don't know if you could tell, but the reason i have no irl friends is because i overthink the HECC out of everything :D
yeah just copy everyone else's comments into one comment and say you done it
We know Toby has a lot of endurance though, he's a runner, he must be flexible so the jumping over the fence part is not so shocking to me.
As for the "he goes in the same direction as the car", there are literally only two directions you can go from the gate lmao so not a real argument.
When the journalists are filming the (supposed) strangler's house, it's not Toby's so the car must not be his either, he probably just has the same model.
For the sheet Gabe was talking about (the homicidal tendencies one), Michael is the one who filled it out not Toby.
It's totally normal to feel guilty if you believe that you've sentenced an innocent man, especially to death ; as for the peer pressure, GHS was thought to be the killer mainly because of the issue of the trial that Toby had a role in so it makes sense that he's not caving under pressure if he's part of the process that forged other people's opinions.
As for Creed's blackmail, I'm pretty sure that part's not canon ?
People who like the mystery genre and/or write about getting away with crime aren't automatically serial killers. If this is held against Toby, then why wouldn't Gabe be the strangler ? He likes much more gory stuff than Toby does.
For the God thing, most people sin and don't go to church without having killed someone.
The other arguments are interesting though :)
@yeehaw I was literally just lying in my bed reading this from top to bottom for 2 minutes straight. You made some pretty good points :) also, don't worry, I totally tend to rant and overthink things, especially on the internet.
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@@user-yo1ep6sw7i wait really? Cool! Thanks
7:55
"I put an innocent man on death row"
Toby is the Scranton Strangler
Thomas Romero while I believe he is, it’s not 100% evidence because he just voted guilty being a part of the jury
Toby put many innocent men on death row... if you know what I mean
@@crustycrayfish8356 that's hilarious you really live up to your name.(sorry if this sounds sarcastic.)
Nice nirvana pic
@ShaneHockey King eh
9:00 I think theres a double meaning hidden there. When being dragged out his holding his hand on to his own neck. If we going to be technical, there’s no reason for him to be doing so specially after someone supposedly tried to strangle him. Almost as insinuating that he strangled himself to further convict the innocent person. Then, Toby even writes a story about getting away with murder. It’s Joe, the new CEO, later on in the series who accidentally stumbles across the story while investigating for the company’s whistleblower.
So in one of the last episodes he goes to the prison to go see the Scranton strangler that he is innocent. When really Toby goes to the prison to tell him that he was really the Scranton strangler and that he framed the guy. That’s why you see Toby on a stretcher leaving the prison. Because the guy was furious that Toby framed him. So he strangled Toby. The reason why this is possible is because we see Toby go into the prison to go see the strangler. But we never see what happens when Toby goes into the prison.
I've always known there was something very wrong with Toby.
You never know, it might be prison mike.
Michael Scott as you said he is the anti-christ
As you said, the silent killer!
Why do you do the things you do?
- Michael Scott
As I said he’s a wanted animal rapist
Of course... it makes perfect sense. The way that Toby gripped Pam’s knee that one time, the way he bolted and jumped the fence, the way he bragged about being the juror to the framed strangler’s court case, the way he never loses his temper so he doesn’t become a suspect, the way he reacted to the police checking his desk...
Case closed. I feel bad for him though. Toby’s been through a lot.
Very dexter like
How does Toby touching Pam have to do with him being the Scranton Strangler?
i mean, why do you think michael bailed out of scranton? holly was an alaby to prevent toby from knowing that michael knew.
And He knows self defense
In my opinion i dont think he bragged about being a juror. I think he just talks about it so people can talk to him and be friends with him
I can confirm one of the writers wanted to make this public but was told it wasn’t going to go over well with audiences. They left the option open.
They didnt said that , they said that it would become too dark and heavy mr i can confirm
Toby always carries his passport with him too.
I love how the back of the Knights of the Night's shirts say "We are unarmed."
Actually Clark is working with Jan after the episode “The Target” in exchange for her patronship.
camille ??
I love how your profile pic is a lego starwars Boba Fett.
“You’re the silent killer,” Michael proclaimed.
“You’ll see.” Toby whispered ominously
Wow
w o w
I totally never noticed that Toby wasn't there when the chase was being televised
1:10 makes sense now oh my god. It’s because Toby was upset he didn’t have a baby with Pam
If an Office member isn't a suspect, then why have the Scranton Strangler as a story-line?
Maybe to make the show feel even more grounded in reality by having it's own notorious criminal mentioned in it.
White Noise suspense
Exactly
Spoilers.
Wait what if it's Roy? Wait no he had a wedding... the guy Michael fired during season one? No... he was rehired by dwight. Creed? Maybe creed and toby? Definitely possible
Because it’s small town and lame job paper salesman so they strangler is somthing to talk about like In real life at a job white people just love to talk about point less things
Why is no one talking about how Toby likes to write crime novels which is why he's so interested in the case and being dramatic about it.
“To frame a murder” a very coincidental crime novel
You know who else love crime novels , CRIMINALS.
@@BVTMVN007 actually no they don't
Source?
Are you..
By chance...
One of them?
@@zeecaptainz source- “trust me bro”
Ok one of the things that “criminal minds” has teach me is that some criminals likes to inject themselves in the investigation of their crimes, they like to be more involved and also gather informations.......maybe that’s why Toby was sooooo hung up on the Scranton strangler case.....but who knows
“To my chickens I’m the Scranton strangler” Dwight is so funny 😂
I like how Michael was the only one to catch a glimpse of the Scranton strangler's car. If Toby is the Scranton strangler than that was done on purpose.
@Martin hill It was the same as A car. Do we know it was Toby's?
@Smith-Mundts Modernization Act (Look into it) I think he refers to it being a reference to Michael always treating Toby like shit,him being the only one that sees the car may be a glimpse of michael deep down being the only one to know that there was something odd with Toby
That phone call came right after they said the location of the stranglers aprtment. Maybe ex calling to make sure Toby is ok (not dead).
He just said he saw it bc the others didnt, and it seemed “cool” that he had seen something the other hadnt
The one person in the office that wouldn't recognize Toby's car sees the chase. Had it been anyone else Toby would have been booked
Am I the only one who felt sorry for Toby and just wanted him to yell at Micheal once
Whenever Michael was picking on Toby I wished that someone would punch Michael in the face tbh
What about the way toby treated pam when she was with jim? I think its uncalled for early on but later on he deserved it
Your the only one, Toby didn't do anything as HR Personnel, "He's really not apart of our family, he's also divorced so he;s not apart of his family"
Yeah, you're the only one
King Solomon the first few times I watched the season yes I felt so bad for him. But I’ve watched it many many times since and Toby annoys the hell out of me too. And he is so creepy and sketchy
Toby forgets his name because he has multiple identities and is still getting back into character
Agree
Michael is like a child. In his childlike purity, sensed Toby's vile nature way back when. And that is why he hates him so.
This is bittersweet for Michael. I know he's just pissed with all the attention Toby is getting out of this.
Diego Oliveira 😂😂😂 totally
But he doesn't like bittersweet moments he doesn't understand them
It’s like bittersweet chocolate, what’s the point of that
Allison C chocolate chip cookies
But bittersweet chocolate... what’s the point of that
Toby keeps on saying George is an innocent man because he is. Toby wants people to recognise him for being the Scranton Strangler because he wants attention and to be remembered as something other than a lame boring person. Toby wants to be found out.
Alex Clark-Thompson it's like American psycho literally except he's not rich or handsome he's a worker who's shitted on
Alex Clark-Thompson but then he would strangle more people while the other guy is locked up
Trippe Red Not necessarily. He wouldn't want people seeing him as some obsessed copycat killer would he
And also, when he went to see the alleged Scranton Strangler he gets attacked by him. Probably because he confessed to him that he was the real strangler?!
Alex Clark-Thompson Not all serial killers kill just simply to murder. In fact, most do it for attention; whether that attention is from someone in their life, the media, etc. In Toby’s case, I think it’s both. He wants attention from his coworkers (i.e. Pam, whom he’s in love with or Michael, who hates him) and from the media because *no one* likes him. He’s also gone through a messy divorce, too, which could have really hammered it in. The killings were strangulation, as well. It’s not intimate, unlike stabbings, which is a form of penetration. He could have done a lot more, but didn’t which means he cares more about what happens *after* the killings, meaning he wants the attention. Therefore, if *he* were to get caught, he would have more attention than the guy locked up (and also if he continued killing he would still be sought after, only as a copycat, which is something worse to be known as)
"This is the start of my first friendship :)"
*cuts to gurney*
This was uploaded by the Office-this is as close to a letter of admission as you’re ever gonna get.
THEY ARE WATCHING THE CHASE ON TOBY’S COMPUTER
And his phone rings.
Note that Erin isn’t at reception to forward it to him so someone his directly calling him specifically.
Also in the parkour cold open the green car is seen in the parking lot.
*Toby Flendersen is the Scranton Strangler.*
Toby also taught the office about self protection. Implying he knows how to fight and take people down.
Nolan Nuanes you also get to watch toby get beat up by kelly that episode
He could've been doing that to lower suspicion, he knew Kelly could do no permanent harm to him, but he knew letting her beat him up would make him look weak, and turn attention away from him
He had to teach it, because he's HR.
+Michelle Gulden HR is not responsible for teaching self defense in any company...
Also he taught Pam how to punch better after Michael dumped her mom
The office gameplay: omg jim and pam look so cute together
The office lore:
Toby's fence jump alone proves he's the Strangler