Pat McAfee Learns Why People Are PISSED About European Super League
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- 게시일 2021. 04. 18.
- The announcement of the European Super League has REALLY pissed some people off.
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What makes Pat so much better than those arrogant other sports guys like Skip or Stephen A is that Pat won't double down when he's wrong. He'll accept his humble pie.
I love that this exact comment pops up from time to time
thats soo faxxx.. its like pats one of us, and that's why he is succesfull
well i dont think Stephen A is gonna touch this topic because he will be wrong
You ever notice the best sport commentators and analysts are ex pro athletes.
@@Mannydas728 It's never stopped him before:)
Jesus Christ, Pat got Jason Statham to come on. What a flex.
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Frss!!!!
spread the word!!! Unfollow or un-platform any footballer, coach, even advertisements of teams who plan to play in the super league!
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Hats off to this show, bringing awareness to the people about something that's surely going to ruin the sport for years.
Ya, getting better games with the best competition is.gonna ruin the sport, not the eula monopoly and greed
I don’t think it’ll ruin it at all. It won’t be a closed league
@@jajouji it is going to ruin the sport because only top teams are there, the big six from the premier league? They haven't won titles. Juve? Not in the top of serie A.
If you've been a futbol fan all of your life then you'll know why the ESL will ruin the sport in the long run.
Also, quit being delusional
@@Geeandrezzi it will because they're breaking the hundred year old traditions of futbol in europe. It's greed, only giving the money to bigger teams and taking out the threa of the smaller teams which have a chance if the super league was not around.
Why is it going to ruin futbol? Because not all of those founding teams are deserving of being there. There are a lot of teams that deserve being there. Just goes to show that the governing body of the ESL is meh
So glad Pat knew to just be quiet and let the guest get his points across, you probably just informed and thus pissed off a lot of Americans who otherwise wouldn't have a clue, thank you!!!
As an American that had no clue what a super league is, screw those guys
American here Mr. Mackay, just to remind you the USA shares a huge border with Mexico therefore fútbol is part of the culture here
you uninformed stooge 🇲🇽 🇺🇸 stay mad
@@adrianbekillingem It really isn’t we have the NFL and NBA
@@adrianbekillingem dude...don’t be so negative and insulting when our last president wanted to build a wall to keep out Mexicans
Pissed at the super league??
You got to give credit to Pat for the show being mainly about American football he still got a soccer/football guy on the show to help him spread awareness about the European super league to non Soccer/football fans and why people hate it while ESPN would mention it once and then 5 seconds after they would talk about LeBron and how his diet and habits would affect his play and then talk about something random. This shows needs more respect and attention even when they mainly talk about a sport most people don’t play or watch they still do things better than Skip and ESPN.
*football
This type of content is the new ESPN. Cable sports news is on the way out
ESPN is an American company. The super league has NOTHING to do with any American teams. They have no business covering it in the US
@@Robert-si5su and thank god (or Pat) for that. ESPN used to have some form of authenticity back in the day but they through all that out of the window years ago..
@@nickevans5589 *soccer
I love that he jumps in the pool, when he has no idea ..AND admits it. He is gold
It's literally what the overwhelming majority of society does (not me though, I can't even pick a goddamn toothpaste/mouthwash without standing in the aisle 10 mins on my phone researching the best one first).
He's just man and human enough to admit when he's wrong. And just ONE of hundreds of reasons we love him so much.
@@Muzikrazy213 p
I like this Nigel he speaking facts
U commented this before watching the video
He’s talking crap.
This is a corrupt establishment elite (FIFA, UEFA, the FA & TV broadcasters) who have ripped us fans off for 30 + years being beaten at their own game and who are acting out because they’re about to lose their Golden Geese.
Because UEFA & the FA are on the side of the fans, good one👍🏻
no one is saying uefa is good. in fact my oen club has dedictacted multiple tifos hating on Uefa, but this is not the right direction to go (literally the opposite). the reason people dont like uefa, is because they cater more and more to the wealthy and like handing out fines when it suits them. Super league would ruin the whole demension to football as we know it in europe. all tradition and culture gone.
@@KisMiska10 It's the lesser evil you donkey
@@Miguel-cn5lu or he saw it during the live stream
As a Manchester United fan, I’m pissed, corporate screwing over the fans
As a city fan same here man
Well, that isn't new for both manchester clubs. I really hope that this league never gets to be. Otherwise i will be a proponent for making top flight football in every european country a regional structure again like it was here in germany until 1962
@@Zaghzackio Solidarity between rivals at this difficult time in football.
People finally realizing that they are customers- not fans
Here as a barca fan absolutely a travesty
From a football(soccer) fan, this is the worst day in football's history
Agree
I agree and I am not even a fan of football although I follow most sports so I understand the impacts.
It was one of the coolest aspects the promotion/relegation system plus the Champions and Europa championship.
Why? Can you explain I feel I don’t have all the details on why this would be bad
@@BradyBaseball13 over a century of history and tradition is being thrown out for money. It’s not longer going to be a competition, it’s going to be a sellout to milk as much money as possible out of the players and fans
@@repothenon2706 but why? That is what I am trying to understand
So essentially, it's like the top FBS schools breaking off from the NCAA and creating their own league. And doing so could be a detriment to the FCS, D2 and D3 schools who are looking to become top FBS schools
yes. this.
Exactly but thevplayets would get paid lol
Kind of but an FBS team can’t be relegated to fCS. In Europe Teams can get relegated if they finish near the bottom of their league. But the point about the top teams breaking off is spot on. It’d be like my team Iowa state getting to the point where they could make the playoff which is kinda a possibility now and the top teams colluding so they can always be in their own playoff. I’m from the UK and my team is Swansea. We are in the championship which is one league below the premier league. Now if we play well enough to get promoted it’ll mean virtually nothing because we can’t compete against the best clubs because the top 6 will likely be kicked out of the premier league and they’ll be in the super league which we won’t be able to reach. The premier league will mean less, it means less money being involved so the teams that aren’t in the super league will loose out and no matter how bad the teams in the super league are they’ll never loose out. It’s a money grab and greed in its purest form
I haven’t done the best job of explaining that and there so much nuance and other stuff to explain but it’s just kind of like the big guys colliding to keep the little guys down
That actually sounds way better, id actually watch it lol
The way Nigel describes the English football system, that's the way how it works all over Europe. That's exactly why there is so much resistance against this Super Leage.
Yea I didn’t realize there system was so much different. The super league is very much like the US system
It's pretty much how most team sports being run around the world, except in the USA.
I was pissed as an American just getting into Association Football. Unlike some fans, I'd never heard of thos idea. And I was coming to really love the concept of relegation and promotion. It's a refreshing approach to maintaining parity. So this comes along and I was like "Motherf×^@er. I was ju sd y getting used to the gameplay and the relegation system, now it might get changed?". So glad this looks like it's going to go away. Now I can get back to figuring out which Premier League team I'll support.
@@kyletucker3811 No worries, this Super Leage is six feet under ;-)
@@kyletucker3811 dont support a premier league team. Support bradford city. Just a few years ago we played chelsea in the FA cup, the 2nd biggest competition in england. They were premier league champions, we were in league 1. And we beat them 4-2. Look it up on youtube. This is what the super league would kill
Pat you the REAL sports MVP, not even the main ESPN shows care about talking about this world breaking news in sports, they'd rather put another segment about Lebron vs Jordan or a youtuber turned pro in boxing than talk about real sports like non-American football . That's why I love this show!
It looks like Disney wants to be involved in this thing, so you know they're not having ESPN say anything negative about it.
I would assume pissing off the owners of Bucs, Rams , Red Soxs (and I think other teams) would be something ESPN wants to avoid cause they are massive twats
@@Pratikstick also the owner of the rams, nuggets, avalanche and Rockies (Stan Kroenke) is the owner of Arsenal
Because Jordan and LeBron is the biggest athlete brands in the world.. air Jordan is worth 8 billion dollars and LeBron brand is worth a billions
@@ladymarvin1620 in terms of merchandise, yes. But in terms of actual personal brands, i.e sports personalities, no one is bigger than messi and Ronaldo
Teams fighting for promotion is the best part of fútbol, seeing late game miracles, and now we’ll get none of that, none of the best in the World Cup and euros, no more amazing UCL moments like Ole substitution or the Ramos header, it’s an absolute tragedy
What fucker genuinely calls it Futbol?! Come one man
@@discobriscoe5880 people who arent American, aka majority of ppl
@@discobriscoe5880 Spanish and Portugese speaking people call it fútbol
@@discobriscoe5880 smelly man
@@Kimera794 portugueses and brazilians call it "Futebol". Spanish is fútbol
It’s like if Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, and some other teams left March Madness and just made a tournament around themselves
It's like if the Lakers, Nets, Knicks, Clippers, Warriors, 76ers, Heat, Celtics and Bulls said f the NBA playoffs and let's make our own tournament.
Yeah it’s not even the best teams just the most storied/financially well off
@@anonfan7763 Clippers is the spurs of those teams! hahaha
@@anonfan7763 No it isn’t. Because the teams involved come from different domestic leagues, so enly every few years they get to play each other.
The Ncaa (football and basketball) analogy is the correct one because they have true separate conferences. Its not simply breaking away from a league, its about substituting the champions league with something more elitist and competitive, with more matches being played between powerhouses and no money being taken away by the UEFA.
Idk why people keep saying they will break away from the domestic leagues because they clearly wont.
And keep calm people:
1) it wont be a closed competition, yes there will be a relegation system, but it will just be a more closed one for the moment
2) It’s not clear that it will happen
3) The only reason domestic leagues seem to be on hack is because of the aggresive threats by UEFA, but these are clearly bluffs
4) The UEFA mafia are raging and influencing most people, because they and their robbing system are the ones actually in danger here, they just don’t want to negotiate, so keep calm and don’t let them blind you
5) This is just going to end up in a change in format/name of the european competition, clubs like sheffield are not affected by these lmao if not through UEFA hurting everyone by kicking the teams that generate 80% of the revenue out of the leagues
Pat's reaction when he finds out the clubs are owned by Americans 😂😂😂
“Oh no 😞”
Europeans suck at business lol
@@libertas_americana Their fans have been far more loyal than any American sport fans because for the most part it wasn't treated as a business, but a sport
@@mattponikvar4944 nice opinion. Lol any ways, back to America taking over sports in general.
I mean come on....at least there is some transparency in the money grab by the Super League Teams, but UEFA/FIFA trying to hide behind history/fairness while they helped cause the mess that the sport is in..
Credit to you Pat for bring attention of this issue to the American sports fan. They are trying to take the competition out of the sport.
Imagine the 4 NYC and LA teams plus the Cowboys and the Patriots just came out and said "Hey, we have the most fans and are worth the most money, we will be a playoff team every year, regardless of our regular season records"
Its worse than that, not only do they make the play-offs every year, they also get more revenue allowing them to have a higher wage CAP so they can attract better players so more likely to win every year.
Super league is basically the NFL. You have teams tanking with no consequences/ relegation.
Yeah, this comment. Exactly this. And the replies to this comment too. Us Europeans do appreciate how/why the North American model for domestic sports is different, but it's still possible to extract pretty identical parallels - these are the richest and (in recent years) strongest teams looking to entrench their financial and competitive advantage just because a) they dislike the uncertainty of maybe not making their equivalent of playoffs every season and b) not every regular season game can be made to look like box office gold.
The result? Those teams become exponentially more attracttive to the best players, due to them being able to offer increasingly bigger wages and - the most basic point of the Super League project - exclusive participation in a lucrative tournament with a huge audience. The Super League claiming they'd simply run alongside existing competitions isn't the point: if these teams disproportionately suck up the best players, they'll then have an in-built advantage in those competitions too.
It's also worth remembering British and Eurpoean soccer doesn't have competitive control valves like player drafts or wage caps. Money and prestige is king. But yeah, otherwise it's just a question of scale. The UK soccer league might have 92 teams - and even that isn't a fully closed shop - but I imagine you'd get the same outrage if 6 of the NFL teams tried to screw over the other 26.
@@albatrossyglossy the difference is, the nfl has always been that way, which is why it works, if you tried to implement promotion and relegation into American leagues it wouldn’t work and wouldn’t be accepted, but the super league was trying to make European teams, who don’t use this format, use this format, so it doesn’t work, and there’s 1000s upon 1000s of professional football teams but only 32 professional nfl teams, that’s why the nfl work and the super league doesn’t
@@blakjjags0697 fair play
Pats reaction when he realises American involvement is priceless 🤣🤣🤣
lol He immediately remembered American greed and knew yup, he's in the wrong.
@@ano3758 just rewatched it, same reaction to his, its perfect.
Im uk side but follow American Football.
Lost interest in football in late 00’s as became elitist then. This league is a joke. Guy on discussing makes massive point of the lower league club’s promotion opportunities... will really impact the game :-(
It wasn't just Americans either, some other owners were willing to ruin the sport.
Didn’t realize how much I needed to hear a British person say “Nineteen ninety nine” until I heard this guy say it. Beautiful.
Gonna party like its
Noine teen, noinety noine
@@ericfitzgerald9214 as an English man his accent is incredibly strong
@@callum1022 Sounds like he works in the Queen Vic
@@callum1022 which part of English accent is this
@@rogerrabbit2902 east London/Essex I’d say
Pat had me dying throughout the first minute explaining how furious people were with his takes on the change haha way to take it on the chin. Best sports commentator in the game imo
If you think about it from an American stand point, this Super League is how Pro Sports works in America. So for us we hear this and go: oh that's kinda cool. Because most of us, we're ignorant of European soccer. It's traditions and politics. I had the same thoughts as Pat then I saw the angry comments and went: well damn.
@@GundamGokuTV lol fr man I was like this is a great idea but then I learned about why this is horrible
@@GundamGokuTV Yeah exactly. I'm am American thats been living in Europe for a year or so and it's really asymmetrical. You look at a city like Boston and maybe you and your parents and grandparents are all from there and root for the longstanding sports teams. But thats a few decades tops. A country like Serbia or Finland having their local soccer teams for their COUNTRY with its own language, history, traditions etc... It's just hard for us to "get" how soccer works for these people.
This dude looks like a more grizzled rich eisen
If rich eisen played rugby
🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀
No joke I intially thought it was Rich without any makeup.
I thought it was Rich before the video started lmao
😂😂 I fuckin knew he reminded me of someone
The fact that pat actually tried to understand what really happening in football(soccer) world is made me respect him even more.
He knew that the majority of his audiences which is an american don't know or even care about soccer, but he tried to understand and give his own opinion
This is like the Cowboys, patriots, packers and Steelers leaving the nfl and making their own league
Nah not remotely the same... In fact european clubs are trying to recreate the nfl model... I think a better comparison would be Big colleges like alabama, LSU, Ohio State etc making their own league and playing each other every week instead of smaller schools....
That would actually be great tho. imagine the NFL without the browns, jags and other mediocre teams that are always bad
If we only had well run organizations with a bigger share of the top talent pool would be getting better ball games
Not even close imagine the browns bengals eagles and Texans making there own league and calling it the sfl super football league
@Cam Vole its not the same because these 12 clubs bar spurs and arsenal are considered the biggest clubs in european football today
@@SuperDarq64 yea exactly. you see there isn't much of a league in football(soccer). with the super league, that's what they r trying to do.
This would be like if Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Norte dame decided they had the right to be in the College football playoff every year
Yup! still feels that way with the four playoff slots reserved for those schools and the rest can go take a hike including an undefeated UCF team.
Wait a minute....
@@dumbguy6843 see how boring it gets after it happens a lot? This is how it will be
@@jackm0429 Best facing the best isn't boring.
It pretty much has been Alabama, Clemson, LSU, and Oklahoma every year. That's why I don't pay attention to college football much anymore. I was hopeful that we'd get an actual playoff years ago, but instead we get committee rankings that put the same teams in the playoff and top 10 every year, because those programs have the most money and buy all of the 5 star recruits. NFL has much more parity and no arbitrary rankings, and is way more interesting because of it.
I really appreciate that you have put on a segment about this. Because as you said, on face value it’s great, which is why most Americans would stop there but the fact that you tried to get more insight on the full situation and how deeply it affects the sport is amazing.
Only 2 of the big 6 are currently in the top 4.
And 3 out of the 6 don't have a European football pedigree i.e. Never won Champions League/European Cup 1. They are frauds on the back of massive financial debt or they are sucking on the oil tits of their sugar daddies and oligarchs. In the last 30 years only real Madrid, Ac Milan, and Fc Barcelona were the only teams to win a minimum of 3 X THE champions league. Again what makes them top whatever?
@@themacabrecerberus historically they are.
arsenal Liverpool and Man U are the biggest clubs in English history(prem and English first division) people clown arsenal but they have 13 league titles, won the European cup in the George graham era and are the only club in history to never be relagated from top division football in the history of football
@@stingjunior6 Arsenal just played European Cup winners Cup before UCL expansion of top 4 and only played 201 EC1/UCL games in its history while my team Ajax played a lot more and won 4X UCL. Did you know that Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, Atletico, Inter just played less than 170 UCL games in their history? Is bull claiming to be top 15 clubs in Europe as football teams come and go?
@@themacabrecerberus Spurs are weak and I’m with you on the oil money team’s(PSG included) they aren’t big team but arsenal are the 3rd biggest team in England and a top 10 team in Europe(an amazing feat to do without a champions league) they don’t deserve to be in this super league but in general they are one of the biggest teams
@@stingjunior6 Arsenal a Top 10 team in Europe? dude, you might be a fan of Arsenal but you are not even in the top 12 of European football. Don't confuse yourself with playing in the UCL while finishing in the Top 4 makes you a Top 10 team in European Football.
A sport that has thrived and connected people for over 200 years, ruined.
Stan kroenke screwing over fans? As a saint louis native I ain't surprised.
He screwed over St. Louis, now he's screwing both Britain and all of Europe.
@@elparcero1220 Thankfully it looks like some teams are pulling out, but yea imagine he just moved one of the teams to miami or shanghai. It would be mental.
Rams were originally LA any way.
@@pcs54 That is what he can do in a franchise league like the Super League. He can't move as it is now.
Can you take him back please
When Pat said "Oh No..." as he starts to get it...after Nigel mentioned what nationalities owned the teams and mentioned " These Clubs have 150-years of history"
EuroSuperLeague is a total scam to crush the original leagues ;(
Whats wrong with trying to improve
eggsriceandcheese there is a whole podcast above this comment section, didn’t you listen to the video?
@@jajouji if it was in any way about trying to improve the game then you'd have a point. The anger against the superleague is that it is anti-improvement. It's about 12 wealthy football club owners self-appointing themselves as the 'elite' clubs and preventing others from competing with them by solidifying a superior source of revenue that others will not have access to.
@@mistertom2385 That makes point, but Understand their pov. And they are more elite, they are basically all teams I know and I never watch football. But I see how the extra revenue will elevate them further ahead
@@jajouji That's like someone from England saying the Cowboys are elite because they are one of the more recognizable names in the NFL
Are you telling me the boston red Sox (owner of Liverpool) made another bad business deal.... (insert shocked Pikachu face)
It’s a great business deal
Don't forget Stan Kroenke as well
@@nickevans5589 yes, but this is tradition business has done so much damage to the sport. This is the death of a sport.
@@asuhdude6668 weak
For Joining the Super League, Liverpool is now call Red Sux
I think to draw an analogy to College Football, this would be like if Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, Texas, Michigan, etc. decided to break from their conferences and create some super conference where they just play each other for a 'Super Championship'. The current playoff certain makes it feel like that's already happened, but this would be like locking them in forever.
Honestly sounds like a better system than the college football playoff is rn. I mean teams like UCF can't make it in anyway
I'm even an OSU fan and unfortunately college football has kinda already turned into a good ol boys clubs for like 6 teams. Yes I like going 13-1 almost every year, but the current system is suffocating smaller programs that really have no chance.
@@butterxo3094 it might be but there is no comparison to anything in the US there are no leagues with promotion and relegation. There are no leagues with a history of 150 years, these people are taking advantage of the people who have come before them to make money, the owners of these teams have no clue about football, the owner of Man U the Glazers also owner of The Buccs, had no clue about the offside rule until 2 years ago, yet they claim this is for the benefit of football which they have no clue about. They are frauds and should be removed from their positions and prosecuted for their despicable actions.
Not totally like that. It'd basically be like the programs would play their league games, but would be meaningless because they automatically got a birth in their own bowl playoff series for title every year.
The ESL is basically all the teams don't have to qualify for Champions League. If you wonder why, just look at the six English teams and the current Premier League Standings
@KRplus Censorship Yeah true I don't like the European super league even though my favorite joined it
I appreciate Pat for covering this .. I took a break from American football to escape the money driven lunacy that took the fun out of the game for me. English football was my escape, and to see the same thing unfolding here is crushing. I really feel for those generational fans of the game overseas. It's a beautiful sport and I'd hate to see the soul be ripped from this game too
Anytime you insert money anywhere it whatever it is becomes corrupt
The American League System is a lot better in my opinion. Yes everyone gets more money each and every year, but what I noticed was that EVERY team would get the same chances. For example the salary cap would make it quite hard for teams to go over it (for example with all the luxury taxes being in place in the NBA)
In European soccer however, what I've noticed is that your success is LITERALLY defined by the money you're willing to invest in your franchise. I've lived in Germany my whole life and the last time that a team not named Munich won the league, i had just finished elementary school. In England it's quite similar.. while there is more of a competition at the top, you can always bet that one of the same 3 or 4 teams will win the season. There is hardly ever any cinderella stories like the Miami Heat upsetting the whole Eastern Conference in 2020 or the Steelers falling apart in Wildcard Weekend.
The only (kind of) interesting competition in european soccer for me would be the Champions League or the Europe League. But even there, at some point you come to realize that the only teams succeeding are the ones that put in the most money. There is no talent on poor teams, because that talent quickly follows the money into the european superhouse teams.
That Nigel dude in the interview is COMPLETELY right with everything he said, but i believe that the phrase "the rich get richter and the poor get poorer" already applied before this Superleague nonsense.
@Ryan Turner there's no doubt about that.. it's not about getting away from it. Money makes the world go round.. it's about drawing the line and knowing when enough is enough. And it's not even about the money.. it's about the greed that comes with it. Football is a worldwide enterprise and deservedly so. It takes those businessesmen and women to make it happen. But this elite-ists mentality has made the giant clubs drunk with power. And the coaches, players, and fans have to suffer as a result. It's sickening.. at least to me.
@@CmonSon6492 Ya it’s sad almost every time something with soul gets heavily invested on or gets bought they quickly get ruined or at least still good like it is but corrupt money is basically gas and the earth is the car. Plus the thing is I don’t think the super league doesn’t have a cap system which makes it worse because they (super league) know they can just overpay someone and steal people from other leagues because they know people would still watch them which means money but because they got a top player from another league by overpaying them merchandise sales will go up and the player fans will follow to the super league but the World Cup is not going to be the same if this actually happens.
@@aleksandrkochergov162 I'm with you 100%.. All facts with the super clubs that have risen out of the German, french, and even EPL. It's true, the American system got some things right with repurposing their revenue. There definitely needs to be more parity in football to give other clubs a chance. It just blows my mind that their medicine for it accomplishes the exact opposite.. like you said, rich get richer. All these billions that were raised to jumpstart this SL could've been incrementally invested into franchises. It won't solve the problem immediately but at least it's a step in the right direction. Instead they go nuclear and punish all parties involved. It's a horrible means to and end... And very hard to justify IMO
There’s wayyyyy more than 92 teams in England. There’s 92 teams in the football league. It goes down so much further
@Chris Wolf there’s thousands
All fighting for a spot in the premier league
RIP to the beautiful game
Death by greed
You all need to start supporting Preston North End at this point. Original Gangstas who founded the league in the first place
Yes and bring back Accrington FC
Derby county, Aston villa, Preston north end, Blackburn rovers, Everton, Notts county, Accrington, Stoke, Wolves, West Brom = the founding fathers of football !
@@johnd1464 Bring them back? They're in the 3rd tier!!
@@mikeharper5587 Perhaps he means the original Accrington Stanley that folded.
If you do decide to support the North End, be ready for lots of disappointment and frustration. Still doesn't stop me following home and away tho
He didn't even get to the ridiculous concept of the rules in how no relegation and no need to worry about a top four finish as you will always be guaranteed to be in it. If you are out of the title race with about 10 games to go , those remaining games might aswell be pre-season friendlies .
I understand why Pat said it looks great, all the big name teams against each other & those teams are locked in so you always have those 'great games'. It creates like a franchise system like American sports with big games creating massive revenue, but the greed of these teams being locked in and locked into that revenue creating a massive divide between these teams who are in and the ones who aren't.
my problem personally and i assume others problem is all the heritage will be lost. especially if you support or come from a lower team.
Not to mention teams like West Ham and Leicester who have fought through adversity to have a chance of qualifying and playing in the Champion Leaue now be totally screwed
As a Man city fan I am so ashamed by this club especially since we were a mid table club for years before our spending sprees enabled us to break through the top6
We arent allowing other teams to improve and make the league more competitive and instead are turning it into a monopoly
Genuinely asking as someone with just a passing interest in the sport, really only pay attention during the World Cup. Would being in the super league take them out of champions league/international equivalent? Is there any way teams would have to re qualify by actually being the best in their home league, as to keep real competition and encourage younger good players to not just sign with already loaded teams?
@@nicbell8090 this is an alternative to the champions league, teams still stay in their domestic leagues and play super leagues midweek instead of the champions league. And all founding teams are automatically in, only 5 teams based on their domestic form qualify
@@nicbell8090 it's football trying to create the NBA
Basically football owners being envious of how the NFL and the NBA work
So they also want a system like that with salary cap and no relegation or promotion to easily finesse everyone and make the most money
Football it's actually organically and naturally structured by their natural and geographical division
Like I played football in italy and become champion in my province
Does that mean I'm part of the best team among all the cities in this province? No
The real best team in the province are too busy trying to win regionals
The best team in the regionals are actually not playing the regionals but trying to win the nationals
But the national team is where it stops
The national level teams try to both win in europe and locally in their region at the same time
Each national league agreed with each other that UEFA is the middle ground to challenge each other in european stage while keep competing in nationals
Here comes this new thing
The want to break this actual state of affairs between national leagues and UEFA
And own the european tournament
The nationals league agreed on having UEFA as a middle ground to compete in europe while also fighting in nationals league
But the teams owners want to be more power than each league they are currently belonging to and create their own league above UEFA and also the national league
The idea is the owners believe they're too powerful or at least their teams are too important to be cancelled from their national league
So nationally they would have the leverage to whatever they want
But on european stage UEFA is more powerful than them individually
Thus
Uniting to create their own league in which the teams are owners and not the national leagues
This is potentially a move that would allow the owners to also dominate over UEFA
And if they succeed in doing so
The UEFA could potentially be irrelevant
Each national league would or could potentially highly devalue
But theorically football could finally have a league that can rival NFL and NBA in terms of concentration of players talent
We know that the top 100 NFL players are the top 100 players in the world
We know the top 100 basketball players on the planet are probably all in NBA roosters
But Right now the top 100 players in the world
Some are in bundes a lot in premier a lot in la Liga some in italy a few in france and other few in America
And occasionally they play in UEFA but not every years because sometimes some of them can't carry their team to enter the UEFA or they are still in America
Kudos for having a segment about football and the superleague's creation
This is probably the biggest day in sports history and something that no true football fan is behind.
I talked to a Chelsea fan on Twitter and he was salivating at the prospect of playing Real on a Wednesday night and how that was more appealing than Burnley and West Brom. I reminded him to maybe give West Brom a bit more respect considering that 5-2 game in London, so it shouldn't be taken for granted or assumed that Chelsea will always be top dogs. That's why while Nigel talked about City being in the 3rd tier in 1999, Chelsea themselves were a yo-yo club in the 70s and 80s.
@@uncreative5766 The thing about football is that it changes so much. Chelsea wasnt bigger than Aston Villa, Newcastle and Everton back in the 70s and 80s. Manchester City was a at max a medium club as far as 2010. Things change really quicky. Leicester was a non factor nationally and just became a really good club.
@@levicarvalho9557 100% If you go back far enough it would be Preston, Everton, villa, Sheffield United, Sunderland and The Wednesday, as a fan of one of those clubs I definitely don’t think my league 1 side is in the best 6 today
Im behind it but because I'm american. Anything that devalues UEFA is good for the sport around the world. I want futbol to grow here in the US. I'm sure MLS is very behind the super league. There would be no reason for those good players to stay at the smaller clubs if there isn't that challenge of playing the big clubs. It's unfortunate but overall I believe it will benefit futbol around the world because UEFA is a trash organization. Those players who can't make the cut on a Super League team are still high quality players and if there's no integrity left in UEFA, they might as well come get paid over here in the US.
@@TheWorldWithin27 the ‘big’ clubs, they aren’t the best clubs historically if so Man City and Chelsea wouldn’t be involved, they aren’t the best clubs otherwise arsenal who are about to finish in the bottom half wouldn’t be involved and what’s to say in 10 years time they will be the best clubs? Go back 10 years and city hadn’t won the league since the 60’s, there is no integrity in these clubs, they might as well move to the USA join the mls and then fade into obscurity correct
People in Europe are REALLY PISSED of. This is by far the worst day in footballs history!
Pat at 2:10 "are we the baddies?"
Liverpool is walking alone and I do not appreciate that.
also what nobody talks about is with the lower divisions going to be dismantled by this league, is the effect this has on kids wanting to play in the future. It'll be just a cute ball game with no meaning anymore- no heart, no beauty, no greatness.
How will the lower divisions be dismantled by this lol this is about the champions league and the european competition.
That can only happen if the uefa follow through with their ridiculous threats, and theyd only do that to protect their own pockets trying to keep champions league as it is.
So think about that and dont fool yourself thinking uefa are acting in the interest of the lower division clubs, they clearly are not, theyre just protecting their own pockets
@@inigo1132 As much as the uefa is far from perfect, this will of course change the competition dynamics and the journey of little teams to get into the champions. And the no relegation part is also a bumer
I’m really glad you did a segment on this, diversifying your show and I love it!
In NFL terms imagine owners coming along from Dallas, New England, Pittsburg, San Fransisco, Chicago and Philly and saying we are going to play Football in Europe in a superleague because they offered us more money. Then saying we will keep playing in the NFL on Sundays but we are only gonna play our backups and 3rd stringers because we gotta keep our players fresh for this europe superleague game on Wednesdays. Then also saying we are not gonna play in the playoffs or superbowl because this european superleague is more important to us.
No US sports are structured anywhere close to European soccer leagues, so you can't make this comparison at all.
@@spsawyer22 you are everywhere man? The US sports structure is the reason why "global" football fans are furious about this Super League!
Plus, the games the 'Super League' play will be on pay per view/ subscription service only. 'Elite' sport for the rich only. Another reason it stinks.
Nice too see such a subject on this channel
Imagine the NFL deciding to kick Green Bay out of the league "because they are a small town team" that is the level of sporting heresy you are seeing being attempted.
To put what Nigel is saying into perspective. I grew up a west brom fan. I could see the stadium from my bedroom window. When I started supporting them. We were in the 3rd tier of English football. The premier league was a dream I never thought would happen. That first promotion to the premier league I was 18 years old. The nerves the tension in the ground was huge but we won and made the top flight. It didn't feel possible but we did it! We have been uo and down since however the next dream is qualify for Europe again it seems I millions miles away, but there is hope. Hope one day we might do it. That's is why this superleague will never be accepted in England
Bro huge fan of all sports and I'm so jacked you talked about this.
This has got to be my FAVORITE EPISODE, the realization that America is pretty much the reason why this happened is beyond hilarious.
“Oh no...it’s us, it’s us isn’t?” 😂😂😂😂😂
It's not a particularly fair statement though - among the big drivers are Real Madrid and Barcelona who are owned locally. The tragedy is that it doubles down on something that Real and Barca did decades ago - they created a TV deal that gave them the lions share of the profits to the detriment of the rest of the clubs in La Liga, and now the number of games worth watching in that league is tiny because the smaller clubs can't hang on to any talented player. Their short term greed has heavily damaged a lot of clubs, and the ESL is the same approach - draw all the money in to a small group of teams with no thought of the wider ecosystem. I can't blame the US owners, as Nigel was arguing, it makes great sense on a balance sheet, my greater contempt is for the Spanish clubs attempting to avoid their impending bankruptcies from years of overspending despite having done a big resource grab
@@ishoottheyscore8970 sure barca and real are owned locally.. But they still deal with the other top European clubs that have been bought up by outside Forces including American billionaires.. It doesn't matter that they are local when they still enable the billionaires
I dont know Nigel, but I want to know more now. See if he really has a good head on his shoulders there.
Informative and articulate, good job on this guest Pat!
Much respect for Pat sharing this information to this side of the world. People in England are protesting!
As did people in Spain and Italy.
love that you brought attention to this!
When folks like Pat McAfee discusses *seldom topics like this* , you know *it's a big deal* .
As a Liverpool fan, the joy of playing Real Madrid or Barcelona is that it only happens once every 2 or 3 years if we are lucky. I don't want to see my team play them every week, it would get stale, very quickly. Also, it is worth noting that the owners of these clubs made this decision without consulting the players, the managers, the staff who run the club day to day and worst of all, they didn't consult us, the fans, the ones whom without, there would be no club for them to own.
Glad Pat covered this!
Thanks for talking about this pat and raising awareness. In the UK we really appreciate it bud
I feel like this european super league has been talked about forever but especially with the fan reaction I think there's a real chance it might never happen.
Don’t underestimate the power of greed and wealth
Bayern won champions league last year and PSG are likely to win it this year. These aren’t even the best teams. Juve is butt hurt they’ve gotten their ass kicked by Ajax, Lyon, and Porto the last 3 years so they want a competition where they can’t lose to small teams.
@@rayc9079 stupid plastic fan
@@rayc9079 there is literally nothing to play for. There will be no passion behind it. And the games between big teams wont be special anymore after a few weeks.
@@rayc9079 and you really dont care about football if you support ESL. It will destroy clubs.
Thanks for bringing this guest, I know nothing about it but he explained it very well!
Not really he explained his point of view
Not the point of view of the other side
The owners
I’m a Brighton fan just over twenty years ago (1996-1997 season) we survived relegation from the 4th division on the last day of the season by goal difference drawing Hereford ( who were relegated as they needed the win) now we are a premier league team with a modern stadium and players who play for their international teams.
This is what makes football special, there’s a video you might want to check out called 20 years of Brighton on the clubs KRplus page gives a good insight into what a crazy twenty years it’s been including a bad owner selling our ground from under us leaving us homeless for two seasons and forced to spend years at a ground not fit for a U14 team
Thank you for speaking on this
Best sports show on the go. Not only does Pat talk about soccer and hockey, unlike most American shows that only talk football and basketball, but he also lets his guests speak without interrupting.
2:22 Pat knowing is all because of the american owners of the PL teams want the american system in Europe😂
Appreciate you covering this Pat
The best comparison for the ESL would be if the Patriots, 49ers, Steelers, Cowboys (the teams with most trophies) and then the Jets (big market team which only ever disappoints aka Spurs) all came out and said they would hold their own playoffs each year instead of compete for the superbowl
The "Super League" sounds a lot like the Power 5 in college football.
Didn’t think I’d see some soccer content here but this is HUGE sports news so it’s cool seeing Pat bringing it on his show
I felt exactly the same way Pat did, I was like cool so it's like the best teams all play each other more often that makes sense, but this information changes how I feel as well. Very well done.
Fair play for having someone come on and explain to you why fans over here and all around Europe hate this Idea. I was there when my club got relegated out of the Premier League and on the day they returned 10 years later (and every home match in between) Promotion and Relgation have been staples of European Football for over 100 years and it gives smaller clubs like mine hope and something to aim for. Also fair play for your 180 on the subject.
Pat did a great job bringing on a guest to explain for the American crowd
The best part of this if it happens, none of the teams/players will be in the Champions League/Europa League anymore. They will also be kicked out of their domestic leagues, as well as not being able to be in the World Cup as players. How many players in their prime will ask for release/transfer when they realize they can't play in the WC if they're in the Super League???
So much respect to Pat for having a topic like this on his show and having the other side speak out to why this isn’t a good thing for futbol! And not doing what other programs do by cutting off the expert every other minute! He let Nigel speak and and rant and try to inform people like Pat who just see big name teams and just assume this will be an amazing thing without realizing how much this will hurt futbol as a whole!
Thanks for making this episode - it's cool that you're branching out with new content
Arsenal is tied for 9th in the premier league, and Liverpool just drew with the team tied with arsenal in points. Chelsea are struggling to get into the top 4, and United is playing in the 2nd tier of European football. Tottenham just fired their manager this morning. Man city just got knocked out of the fa cup.
Breaking news: good teams are capable of not winning every game
Im a liverpool fan from liverpool, and yes these teams which are breaking away to the super league havent been the greatest this season, it doesnt take away from the fact that these 6 are the teams which bring the most eyes and revenue into the premier league. Just because liverpool drew 1-1 with leeds today doesnt mean they suddenly arent a big club. The idea that the top 6 must win every game they ever have otherwise they cant be a top 6 club is stupid.
(btw i am strongly against the idea of the super league, but the fact you are choosing certain poor results these teams have had this season to imply these teams arent the top 6 teams in the league is stupid.)
@@Claricio these self proclaimed super clubs are struggling in their domestic leagues. Tottenham, arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea. I’m a Chelsea fan and we’re on the verge of missing the champions league. Let’s not even talk about arsenal and Tottenham. They’ve been in shambles for decades. Liverpool had one good season last season and is back to struggling.
@@repothenon2706 you’re acting like the reason the super league is a bad idea is because the “big 6” premier league teams don’t deserve to be there. The super league is bad because it fucks over every other team in Europe
I swear, give Pay 10 mins and he's made a fan and friend out of every interviewee he gets. The man is a legend
im pissed i woke up late n missed this live. you guys actually got a futbol/soccer supporter guy on here lets fuckin go.
Hats off to Pat for trying learn more info on what he doesn’t fully understand.
I know you don’t usually post soccer but this was very important thank you pat
shout out to pat for covering this topic
If you look at the NFL with guaranteed money for teams, there has been a certain set of teams where it doesn’t matter if they win or lose, as long as they get paid. Boxing in 15-20 of the best teams in football wouldn’t have made them play better. The reason they have to work hard now is so the Leicester’s, West Ham’s, and Everton’s don’t take their champions league spots that they now are regularly doing.
Pat keeping it real - so entertaining and informative - love it
Pat Mcafee, tip of the hat Sir! This needed to be brought to light with international media.
For me this is spitting on the european cup. 2nd greatest football cup in the world after the world cup.
Thanks for shedding light on this Pat!
This league is comparative to if the cowboys, patriots, and the other popular NFL teams decided they would play in the NFL season, but formed a separate playoff only they can enter, regardless of record. They also get more significantly more cap space than all the teams not in the playoff to sign all the best players.
Nigel knows his audience on this show ‘futbol ah soccer’
One huge reason why the PAT MCAFFE show is a lot better than most of these sports talk shows because Pat always has ppl talking about every sport and what news about it. He isn’t like the rest of the shows on espn or FS1 that only talk about basketball, football and baseball lmaooo
I don't even watch those clowns on ESPN and FS1 anymore.
Ted Lasso season 2 coming out soon!! Great show, helps explain soccer hierarchy and system and hilarious.
If you dont understand whats going on, just know this can change “English Football” Forever
and Spanish and Italian
As soon as they banned the players from the World Cup and Euros, the league was already dead. ESL has 0 chance of succeeding lol
@@padraigmurphy3540 the only people who seem to be in favour of this are the owners themselves. And I’m not even sure some of the owners are. Meanwhile everyone else including an extraordinary coalition of all of the existing governing bodies of the sport, fans, players, politicians (!), pundits are vehemently opposed to it. I’ve also noticed that supporters of the English “big 6” are more opposed to this than supporters of any other team.
@@mistertom2385 it’s such a strange move. Do they actually think they can pull this off on the biggest sport ever? Almost feels like a comedy show.
2:08 Pat's "our (American's) fault" reaction...
Thank you Pat McAfeee Hope for Football...🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Big up to this show to talk about it.
I love Pat , they talk about whatever on here and it’s great
NFL just signed a 100 billion per year deal; while uefa champions league only got 3 billion, shared among like 32 teams. No wonder those owners are pissed.
UEFA is like the worst commission committee you could ever get. They are just a bunch of politicians who know nothing but cheating.
Clubs don’t exist to make their owners money
They haven’t signed a 100billion a year TV deal and the Champions league isn’t the only source of income for football teams
@@Jason-gq8fo Guess they bought those clubs for Communism ideals.
Wtf are you talking!?!?
Big props to Nigel for his in depth explanation and to Pat for letting him take over on something that's clearly outside of Pat's own usual realm. Best show in the business and great to hear coverage on other sports
I was so confused until I watched this. THANK YOU!
Never watched this show but thank you for having a guest to explain it correctly.
Football sold its soul to investors no debate on that.
Thanks Pat for talking about it much respect
Basically, England is about the size of Alabama. Currently there are 92 professional teams in the top 4 leagues in England with another 276 teams in the 4 levels below that.
All of those 368 teams could win the top league, our equivalent of the Superbowl, (though it would take years and is increasingly unrealistic for those at the bottom).
This news is going to change 368 English teams who can win the league to 6, who will never change.
Sure, 6 teams is 6 more than Alabama have in the NFL but most of those 368 teams are 100 years old with history and community links that go back generations.
Also, imagine hearing that the Packers and the Bears won’t meet again but maybe the Packers will form a rivalry with a team from Spain.
This sucks hugely
Man I was in Pat's boat when I first saw the announcement of a super league. Now I know I was wrong.