2023 Lexus RZ 450e “steer by wire”

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*in mother Russia

"don't threaten me with a good time"

*DON'T THREATEN ME WITH A GOOD TIME*

Gay car???

i feel like steering in reverse is gonna be a paid dlc

Naah. Just The Thought Messed Me Up

Are you worried about this happening to your brakes? Or your throttle pedal not doing the same thing every time? Those are also by wire for well over a decade now

@@istvanlorinczi2817 Not really. They are still directly connected in the rear. If some ECU fails, you still have rear brakes.

imagine it isn’t properly radiation hardened and bit-flips somewhere critical on a highway

i was about to that it, the input lag is clearly visible

That ain't lag tho, the wheels steered but it took some time until the tires gripped to make the turn. Happens all the time in regular cars. This is more noticeable with heavier cars and tires with large sidewalls.

@@rpgspyware9560bro that happens when you steer your wheel slowly. Just try to snap your wheel that fast while speeding and you would see what im talking about 😂

​@@ethanthorne5469Steer by wire means digital values sent via cable. That means sensing, encoding, transmission, decoding, at least one ECU to translate the sensor reading to instructions for the axle-mounted motors, encoding, transmission, decoding, motor activation. Yeah, there is lag with a system like that. No it's probably not noticeable - cars just look like it takes a second to respond because the wheels actually need to start driving in the direction you turn before you see the response.

ever drove b4?

than you are driving wrong

You are definitely gonna cause a crash driving like that

@@michaelu.5321 lol wth no they wont most people drive like that ive driven like that my whole life

@@michaelu.5321 funny how I've been driving for over 20 years like that and never had an accident... Weirdo

@@joshua-ov4ne or I'm driving a manual... Tf do yall be talking about?

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed the car didn't actually turn until he turned the wheel like a quarter turn

I think it’s weighted like mouse acceleration, the more you move it and the more fast you move it, the sharper it turns

Exactly!!!!

Dangerous and silly. I swear they make these cars just so a soy boy can review it and generate ad revenue.

kar 'thick'

Nah. He laggin

i think about this too, like 270° steering

I remember when I first learned to drive and my dad tried to explain that to me, I was amazed that the car could turn the wheel by itself

​@@chimpanzeeenjoyer4667especially because it wasn't even the car doing it, it's just physics. Super convenient and comes absolutely free with enough speed, it's great

@@Wheagg yeah man. I was always fascinated with these POV videos of people drifting because the car does most of the work on its own.

💀💀💀💀 wow dude that messed me up

I haven't really considered that. That's probably not something most people think about when they learn to drive. I guess it's just pretty easy to adapt to in most cases.

Down a freeway😂😂

@@user-hu4kd4ut1u yeah...
or when it rains
or when it's dusty
or on uneven surfaces
or...
🤣🤣🤣

The steering ratio is vastly different at highway speeds. It’ll give you full lock during low speed driving, but the ratio gradually shifts towards that of a normal system as the vehicle gains speed.
It’s almost like engineers think about these things. Especially when it would create an obvious safety/usability issue if they didn’t.

​@@TranceFurI mean, Lexus? One of the best car brands ever? No... I bet they're clueless 🤠

Driving instructor “ 10 and 2 !!!” I can’t !!!

let’s see you do a left lane to left lane u turn then buddy

i pulled into your mom's lane quite easily@@based854

"Look how responsive the system is!" /turns the wheel over 90 degrees before the car ever starts to turn

@@mimcduffee86 What are you even talking about. Have you ever turned a steering wheel in your life?

@@A-ii5dp Cars that have a traditional steering with a physical attachment do not have delays, unlike this car.

So just make it mechanically connected all the time

@@evanshannon actually it is mechanically connected all the time in BMWs. It uses electric motor and differential gears to correct steering input.

cant agree more

He literally says in the full video you get the hang of it in like the first 5 minutes

​​@Alejandro Lopez So what? Even the most experienced drivers still do rookie mistakes

You don’t expect it bcs you aren’t used to it, as the current steering wheel works different, it’s not like you won’t expect it after driving it for a couple hundred miles. That’s why he said you just gotta slow down at first.

​@@ordinarydude2237 if you're so bothered by experienced drivers making rookie mistakes, you're going to have a lot more to worry about than steer by wire, lmao.

Another one who does not understand ".... by wire"🤦🏿‍♂️

@@speed65752 I dont trust steering my car with a xbox steering wheel

​@speed65752 yeah I'm glad you can admit you don't know about tech it's ok

​@@speed65752how are you gonna criticize them but not correct them or explain it to them?

& I still get drive by wire confused w/cable like cable TV 😅

Ahhh ping, pain goes straight to down under

There was already input lag at the beginning of the video. I'm pretty sure this is satire

This is what gaming with a wheel feels like

What a surprise!

Yea, but wait until you see the actual EV platform
If you want a competitor, go look at Hyundai and Kia

​@@lester9230 and just like that, everyone knows you lost all credibility at Hyundai and Kia 😂😂😂

@@sly9263 And just like that, every EV expert knows you have outdated knowledge. 🙂

@@lester9230 your emotions aren't relevant- class action lawsuits and history is. Look at the 50+ issues already reported to the NHTSA on carcomplaints for the dumpster fire Ioniq5. Get back in your seat.

A car that jerks me? Finally, my insurance will be worth it

He killed me with that jerk jokes.. lmfao when he said it will jerk you..

it's like you're in a Formula one car or indy car, both have fast steering in high speeds

@@kawaiishibee3522you are so innocent

Sounds like my kind of night

The more you turn the wheel the more the actual wheels turn. That's why it may look like "lag" or "latency" because at the starting point of steering wheel turn the actual wheels barely move. Compare this to when he did the U-turn. He only needed to steer 180 degrees instead of multiple rotations compared to a normal steering wheel.

​@nevmiku wrong, this car has an electronic steering setup which does have latency, older cars with a real mechanical rack and pinion there's zero disconnect from the steering

​@@rileymannion5301not wrong, it's called a response curve. the start of the curve is less movement and the end of the curve is more. Electronics process information so fast now it's basically unnoticeable, we're not in the early 2000s anymore, technology has response times sub 20ms and unless you're a trained professional you're never going to notice it.

​@@nevmiku no, it was shown off in another video about this car, there is a crazy amount of actual input lag. It's close to a second of lag from steering to wheel turning which makes this car super dangerous.

Correct @@gr.4380

The exact reason why I’d never want electronic steering. 💀💀💀

it's steer by wire not Wifi 😭

@@cutedoggos8093 bro you see in the video it needs like a quarter turn to even start turning, and it probably has something similar to mouse acceleration
the faster you turn the tighter it turns

@@Nara.Shikamaru Well all commerical planes like 777 or airbus that people fly every day in thousands are all steer by wires for decades now. So it is safe enough on airline, so no need to be scare for normal cars.

​@@maxtruong187Cars have smaller spaces in which to react.

😂😂

Steer-by-wire, the ratio changes as you speed up. Same as how a lot of electric power steering systems get stiffer at high speed and lighter when maneuvering at low speeds.

Don’t worry, the low CG on EVs should make them very hard to roll.

@@gopnikolai7483 Yeah my '08 accord has something like that and i think its hydraulic instead of electric too, i love it

@@chromium4668 My 04 grand prix has it too, Magnasteer. It was my first car so I thought it was a normal thing. It is great though.

Only if you're an idiot. Here's a tip: don't try to do tight turns at high speed. It's not that complicated.

Guessing the ratio changes with speed.

Just don’t sneeze while driving at high speed.

​@@CGoody564 oh yeah a little bit of a hand slip at 60 kmph and your car is already rolling

wheel doesn't go all the way when in high speed

exactly

He wasn't referring to input lag, when you turn the wheel just a bit the actual front wheels turn crazy fast. Like the ratio is insanely high

That's not lag lol. Look at the U turn, the wheel only goes 1/3 of the way but in a normal car that's over a full rotation...

Yeah it looks horrible

I remember my first time turning a steering wheel.

Infiniti had drive-by wire 10 years ago on the Q50. Lexus just add their interpretation to that.

Yeah I don't want a steering wheel telling me where I have to put my hands.

That wheel would not be legal in Australia

​@@ac-stingz the thing is they had to do software update for the q50 in the beginning to solve some steering delay

@@dcomputers Still it was the first to the market, and just like any electronics that involve software, update is expected. I am sure Toyota will have the same teething period.

Realistically one day you will get into your car and it will say "scan wrist to unlock power"

If you have a good social credit score

Or some rain splashes up on the electronics and your car rams you into another car

BMW moment

@@mrbillcollector Or put your first born or limp to start journey.

That's just a terrible design

@@CWHolleman looks like the indicator stalks are attached to the wheel too, so good luck when the wheel's turned 180 degrees

Haha great comment, jokes going over the other commenters heads.

should be mandatory by law. it's not even about preference it's about safety. this design is extremely dangerous

@@savagememes873it’s not. Every race car from f1 to gte has a yoke. In fact it’s safer because it allows the air bag to go over the top and decrease impulse

Well, not never, but...
GM, of course, managed to have steering system failure.

Everyone uses EPS now though, that’s not what’s new here

...because power steering systems neverrrrrr leak or fail

Most modern airliners run off of fly by wire which is basically the same thing but for planes

​@@ascherlafayette8572Yes, but if the fly by wire fails it has multiple backup flight computers if it fails. it also has a mechanical connection to the Rudder and elevators trim

It's what I see

my first thought 😂

almost like the lack of input lag would have you swerving into the opposite lane for just a sneeze

It will be the car that lags. The tyres, suspension, bushings etc. Stuff doesn't happen instantly in a road cars and big heavy suvs have a lot more mass to redirect. It doesn't matter how fast the steering is if the car can't keep up

​@@christopherjohnston6343nah that car does have lag its on top of the stuff you mentioned aswell

hell ya! &u can run it off of anything that burns, if u have mechanical pumps :)

I drive some fancy new electric cars for work, and I drive old diesels. I like the new electric ones, for a start I don't have constant shoulder pain from shifting.
But just cgive me a wheel.

@@tmarritt i mean i've never experienced any discomfort from gear shifting, and to me its part of the fun. And the clucht is something else, the feeling of it to control the speed is unmatched.

@@nachofranc2400 meh, I got over it pretty quick. Perhaps you live in an area with low traffic, I live in London.
Used to drive big vans pulling generators through a city designed for horses, no thank you, I like my little electric go cart these days.

@@tmarritt Not gonna lie, with heavy traffic shifting is a pain in the ass, and in a city like that, yeah I would prefer that kind of car also 🤣

I mean people getting this car aren’t F1 drivers… who in the world wants their head jerking every few seconds

​@@ithinkweregoingtoneedabigg8525 but accurate stering does wonders and safes lives...think about it

Yaaa...the delay is noticable...around 1+ delay of steering turn....steering is better on honda accord

You don't expect it to steer so fast! *5 second delay.....* LOOK AT THAT SPEED!

@@freshoiled3493 yeah but the people buying this car are old Asians who barely go above the posted speed limit.

I was wondering the same 😅

Wdym? Looks normal to me. Maybe I’m laggin

​@@pingu5462the wheel and the front tires aren't in sync, replay the video and you'll see

@@pingu5462
Watch for how responsive the jerk of the car is compared to when he turns. It takes about half a second for the car to start turning after he turns the wheel. It doesn’t seem like much but at high speeds that slight delay could be pretty terrible

​@@bolson42yeah that's honestly an insane amount of lag for even driving 60 mph. This needs to respond instantly like a full physical steering column for it to be as safe as one

it's the type of thing that will cause overcorrection because the car won't react as fast as your hands when steering.

I don't think it's a lag. They probably tuned it such that the initial part of the steering wheel turn is less sensitive so that it's easier to control in straight roads.

@@antiwokehuman There's been tests out there. It's a straight up lag. A delay between turning the steering wheel, and the wheels actually turning. Like playing an online videogame on a server on the opposite side of the globe. Of course in videogames you'll just phase clean through other cars if you lag out, no biggie. Can't say the same about this car.

@@michaelbuckers West tests are these? I'm skeptical because it didn't make any sense. Video games lag because of the network. A car doesn't have that problem. Everything is wired. A more accurate analogy would be the latency between moving the mouse and the cursor moving. Again, this is just speculation on my part. I haven't driven one of these

@@antiwokehuman Oh yeah that's the fun part, the lag doesn't comes from physical constraints of the network, signals on CAN bus only take a few nanoseconds to travel. It's the algorithms that they put into the computer that cause lag. And a very large amount of it, too. Slow steering rack motor doesn't helps either.

This has AWD. 300e has FWD.

Yeah, I don't see how this could even be legal. We're just letting a computer guess where you want the car to go?

@@robbobthecorncobjriii8195yeah because rich smart guy said it was the next big thing so every car manufacturer had to copy it. 💀💀

@@HLB60276 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Some of these idiots just HAVE to learn the hard way. Sadly, their hard way involves easily avoidable damages and possible death.

@@Lost_n_Found_1 true

Precisely what happened with 737 max aircrafts..only worse thing that it was along a vertical axis😢

2050 connected with your brain and mindset
2100… no more cars… Drone it baby 🍼 👶🏻

2040: Flintstones foot-hole

2050 mind control

2090: Steer with a Volume button

​​@@sneakyjaguar5982 I mean, that's kinda how Ford's trailer reverse assist already works

seriously! i bet it feels like real life lag driving that car

It's probably progressive steering ratio.

Because it's electric it's fully variable. It will do lock to lock in less turns at low speeds and slows down at speed so it's not as touchy. Some cars run a variable ratio but it's nowhere near as dramatic as these things

Yea , modern cars, they will just get more and more and more expensive. Always keep you poor.

Oldest trick in the book.

For real. The steering is fast? When has that ever been an issue with mechanical/hydraulic steering?

@@OtherDalfite yeah, I fully agree. I don't mind Tesla's, and I like the idea of a cybertruck, but I see that it has the same shitty steering as this Lexus and it's fuckin disgusting.

I don't think it will catch on. I like electronics stuff in my car but there's too much electronics in such an important part of the car that relies on feed back. I have a hybrid where the brakes is tied in with the battery system. When the brakes failed, I no longer have working brakes and no longer have a working car lol.

I was looking for this comment and surprised nobody sees how bad that was😂 dudes arms were crossed over each other and everything😂

your guy?

​@@HDReMasterno my guy

​@@chrisbuiles1252why is that a bad thing? On normal steering wheel I get it, but I thought the whole point of steer by wire was the ability to never take your hands off from the steering wheel (or yoke in this case) because It's whole range of motion is less than 360 degrees

@@HDReMaster No, my guy, Slavery

no

I'll just keep buying used older cars from the south without rust.
I don't want a video game car.

The government won't allow that now. Have you seen how many laws there are regarding vehicles now?

Yes need the hard shaft for real feel on the steering

They'll go full circle once they bring the regular circle steering wheel back and call it innovation 😂

Car has high ping and starts jerking back and forth

lol

Lol, it works from the backseat?

That's almost exactly what this is... Just a different frequency

Bro💀

Exactly like the u turn example you turn then the car kind of naturally straightens up on its on. I love the new innovations coming from cars, but idk the brake by wire and turn by wire seems sketchy. You don't get that feedback from the road.

The future is now, old man.

@@Padada933 Malcolm in the middle

@@Makafushigi "dont reinvent the wheel"

@@sandman_2004 I have no idea why anyone is telling me this, I just wanted to say something from a show.

I think they're dangerous. You can't let it slide through your hand as it returns to center which means you either have to let it go or follow it. Neither option gives you control. It's an unnatural feeling.

Agreed! Sometimes you just want to use one hand at 12:00 o'clock and this totally removes that idea totally.

@@daixer3156 i don’t even sit properly for 2 hand driving 😂😂

@@jamescrud literally…. and driving with 2 hands in general is unnatural 4 me😂😂

@@jamescrud exactly… people going “because you can move it less its better!!! xDxD” don’t realize the amount of control you have on the wheel because of the rotations. Also driving this thing with one hand would be a nightmare.

It was changed to 9 and 3 long before these ever came out.

And this is why this steering wheel design is just dumb and dangerous.

​@@Behemoth_00 it's not, please tell me why

​@@signeCS There's nowhere to grab the wheel

@@OPgiSh0tzonYT on the sides? Why doesn't that work?

That’s just weight transfer and body roll in play. Nothing abnormal.

It has been proven that there is a slight lag by testing when the car was stopped, however this is still a pre production vehicle so it may be a bug

@@maybeharold Yeah this tech seems like vaporware, definitely does not belong in an enthusiast car thats for sure.

We are going to pay a hefty premium for analog zero-steering we have today even in economy cars.
It will all be electric “skateboard” based cars where designers are playing with location of the passenger and steer-by-wire controls

its steer by wire, there is going to be a slight delay from steering input to wheels being turned but the delay is not a lot

Hasn't been in many cars for years

“Back in my day”

@@sneekysnake1239there definitely is

@sirsanti8408 not all cars clown

@@sneekysnake1239 this is the only example of steer by wire I’ve ever seen

😂😂

They made for it

@@G16ETurboit’s a joke about how steering wheel animations for cockpit view in forza never go past 90 degrees

Looking at how jumpy the steering is, it probably steers almost exactly like you would in Forza lmaoo

@G16E nothing here is taken from f1. F1 dosent have steer by wire😂

@@sixtenallingersandgren6674 except the steering wheel, and yes i know it doesnt have all the switches and gauges, but its inspired by it

​@@tylerthompson8554 No, not really. That's like saying Criminals are inspired by GTA to commit crimes.

Dont tell this guy about brake lines lmfao

I also prefer the classic round steering wheel. But in the rectangle's defense it is used in motorsport with no problem at all, and its usually more ergonomic for the drivers. If it's set up right it can be an improvement, don't ask me by how much lol

By that logic no one should ever innovate

@@maybeharold it’s just a common saying

@@Anonymous-gl6ot thing is in Motorsports u typically wouldn’t need to do hand over hand steering to make it around the bends, so a rectangle makes sense. But it makes absolutely no sense in a regular car

@@kylechubb8543 the Lexus yoke is designed so you don’t have to do hand over hand steering

Aston Martin DBS Superleggera has a square steering wheel.

fck that i want non euclidian geometry steering wheels asap

Or ✡️ steering

Most racing cars use are square steering wheel
Like aston martin vulcan

Rhombus

100% 😂

Does the T-Ford have that? 🤣

nah its perfect i like that

It’s hard to merge with the car bc it’s constantly being moved by small things on the road

I think he's talking about the rate of turn the wheels go thru compared to steering wheel turn

At Walmart ! It’s on sale too !

Lmao

​@@OrianBala 😂😂😂

They sell the parts that matter at Adam and Eve. Lexus is just bundling it together 😒

F1 doesn't use steer by wire. Everything else is electronically controlled, but the steering and brakes are still mechanical. 😘🤫

@@yawny9710 the first comment

@@hunteraff5872is my comment the third or the 4th?

Fr enough of the dumb Tesla minimal plastic

@@teddyeverett3222 yep, that is one of quite a few things that has kept me away from Tesla.

That’s what she said

​@@DoggoWillink And that's how I fuckin like it.

kid named pit:

Lexus made the LFA so I think I’ll give them a pass on this one

exactly and dangerous af

​@@krielle3877 What does that have to do with literally anything?

​@@erneststyczen7071 its not dangerous at all
Airliners have had fly by wire systems with no issue and cars already have drive by wire for accelerator

@@catalintimofti1117 yeah not dangerous at all, airliners are the same as cars essentially and that they are piloted by two pilots with years of experience. a commercial airline pilot with tens of thousands of flight hours is basically the same as know-nothing drivers who eat, smoke, use cellphone and not pay attention at all while driving. im so wrong, this steering thing is definetly something humanity needs

what happens when a relay fails

Modern planes use a similar technology called Fly-By-Wire

@@HDReMasterassuming it’s made with redundancy, nothing.

what redundency? theres no physical connection@@parker02311

​@@parker02311I watched a breakdown of one of these implementations, they have 3 systems of redundancy including 2 separate steering computers that can function alone and emergency steering by doing braking or drive on only one side

I was teaching my ex to drive and she would turn the wheel the opposite way of the turn every time, I had to tape a piece of paper with arrows on the horn😂

@@alexanderhrusa7896 good job you got out of there

​@@clanOT alive at that

@@alexanderhrusa7896 wtf never heard of that did she suffer a stroke or something ?