Him not joining West Ham was a tad bit odd and coming to know that they were interested and turned it down was just bluntly disappointing. He gelled so well with the hammers and I can't help but think he's a bit problematic
And now he can't get a club??, yeah that's all down to Ole. What a joke. he used West Ham as a stepping stone to 'bigger things' at Forrest, and he was a failure. Now no-one wants him because he is not a professional football player, he is a self-obsessed idiot and everyone in football can see that now. @@lenenlawless
Lingard can get a club, even in the PL as currently constituted. He just has to lower his demands and expectations because sometimes life comes at you like that and you gotta humble yourself to get another shot
@@thereckon3592 his Forest wages are in the video. His demands are too high. He's not just pondering which move is correct, if he gets a contract that meets his wage demands he'll bite off whoevers hand is holding it.
@@SihleMswelilmaoooo chill. Best player in the league for West Ham. He’ll beat player in the league if you don’t count all the people that season ahead of him💀
Same story . They so full of themselve stop pratice and improving. So their level stay the same after many year while new player come and took their place
Tifo "and there's always the cesspit of social media full of weird little gremlins calling him lazy" @JJ-xy6kt - "I'm here to make this point as obnoxiously as possible"
Nah good on him for staying composed under all that pressure and asserting his independent choice. We have no idea what he’s doing with his time, which loved ones and friends he’s supporting, which causes he’s helping, what self-development he’s doing. I bet it means a lot to his local community sports centre that he trains there with all the publicity and status that gets them
@@montyshield8876 That is all fine and good but don't do it at Manchester United. When you're at a big club with big history, your primary responsibility is to train hard and win. If you can't do that, then quit the club and play at a lower level. Otherwise you are just being selfish to the fans. This is the same deal with Maguire. People would LOVE him if he just admits that he's not good enough and goes to a weaker club or league. Of course, now it has changed already. Manchester United is now a commercial club that doesn't compete for trophies anymore. Thanks to this culture of accepting poor players. There is a time and place for everything in football. Some people just need to be aware of that and be less selfish.
My Dad used to call him "100k", a reference to his weekly salary. At the time, he earned more than Salah. He turned down West Ham because they offered him a lower salary. Forest offered him a slightly higher salary on a one year contract. The guy saw contractless Sanchez join United on 500k a week and thought that would be him.
@@mundolioknows6447 It is true though. He rejected West ham because Forest offered him way more money. He earned almost 2 times as much in 1 year at forest as he would at WHU in 2 years.
@@mesicek7 sorry, but that is absolutely wrong. Lingard was actually only on £80k basic at forest, the rest was offered in the form of appearance bonuses, which he didn't earn. You have no idea what he was offered at West ham. You also fail to recognise that there was a year in between his west ham loan and joining forest. He sat on the bench during that season and barely made a sub appearance. West ham delayed making an offer for him so he started talking to other clubs. Nottingham is also a lot closer to his home than London.
@@mundolioknows6447 Because he was a free transfer he got a big signing on fee. Remember when everyone were reporting how much Sanchez was earning at utd? 500k a week? It was because of the signing on fee which was calculated into the basic salary. No club will pay millions up front. His base salary at Forest was 120k + signing on fee which was never revealed but i'm almost certain it was at least 1m which comes to around 21k a week more. so he was earning close to 140k a week. He was their most paid player at the time.
@@mesicek7 well according to multiple scources, including forest, his wage was £80k per week. He would have earned the equivalent of £200k if he'd met all the criteria, which he failed to do. Anyway, my general feelings about Lingard was that he was never that great and I don't really care what he did after united. He is entitled to try and earn as much as he can. I don't understand why he got (and still gets)so much abuse. He had a decent career, but has struggled with mental issues and unfortunately for him, his united career happened to be in the post-fergie era when united are a mess.
The Lingard case is a perfect example of poor representation and lack of seriousness: 1. Poor representation: Lingard's agent / brother manages him or atleast used to during his last years at United. When he came back from his super successful West Ham loan, United were ready to sanction a sale. There were suitors too - West Ham were interested among other PL clubs and I believe Lingard was ready to go back. His minders however, kept telling him he was undervalued i.e. needed to be paid more (like over 100k a week) and potentially deserved Champions League football. That seems a bit much for someone who just had a good 4-month spell (you need consistency). The agent also went on record saying that with 1-yr left on his contract "they held all the chips". That is quite ridiculous - so much talent out there and you don't hold chips when you've had the stop-start career Lingard has. So, they squandered that opportunity and he sat on the bench. Even in Jan, they wanted United to send him on loan / release him so they could get a better pay day from a club not having to pay transfer fees. Why would United agree to these demands - and they ended up keeping him after the Greenwood news. 6-months on, he was a free agent and there were a lot of suitors - but his value had diminished since he'd been a benchwarmer for a year. Again, his representation over valued him - turned down multi-year contracts from good clubs because they wanted crazy money. They would get crazy money (>100k a week) ONLY from Forest and it was a one year. Why would you sign a one-year deal as a 30yr-old when you have clubs like Newcastle, Fulham offering multi-year contracts. Yes, lower pay but more stable clubs (remember Forest were just promoted and signed ~15 players that summer). Again - bad representation. Clearly more money turned out to be less money in the long-term - he is now without a contract. 2. Lack of seriousness: Players cannot choose to turn up when they want to. It's about consistency and working hard all the time. You can't work hard for a few months and live off that. He's been late to training, faked minor injuries and his time on social media is shockingly high - nope, not some PR company doing social stuff, Lingard himself spends a lot of time on KRplus and IG. Maybe being friends with the wrong folks - Pogba, Sancho etc., impacted him, but as a serious footballer, you got to be 'ON' all the time. De Bruyne, Fernandes - players he was compared to during his West Ham spell - compare their seriousness for football to Lingard. Have you seen them post prank videos with teammates. Lingard also annoyed United pushing for them to give him some KRplus exclusivity for content - again, another sign of non-seriousness from a footballing standpoint. a lot of talent, I really wish he had channeled it better or atleast had the right minders to advise to focus on what's important. I am hearing Rashford has similar minders not giving him the best advise. Sad!
I know right. I keep drawing parallels to him and Andreas Pereira, guy recognized he is of little value to his brand if he stayed at United. Went to Brazil, got his form back and choose Fulham with the lower wages but the guaranteed of a long-term stability. Today, he is doing okay for himself career wise
Took a gamble and lost. It was inevitable, though. A player having to go out on loan and then joining a team that would be fighting for their seat at the top table is always going to be a disaster. He was never going to be able to produce his best football with that calibre of player around him. That's why he only has himself to blame, took the short term payday instead of playing the long game. If he signed permanent for West Ham and had an okay season clubs would still be willing to take a punt on him. 🤡
Just to add a slight correction, The Athletic reported that Forest actually offered him a 2-year deal with maybe slightly lower wages. He/They didn't want it, probably thinking that he could shine as a "big fish in a small pond" at Forest for a season then zip off for a bigger deal elsewhere. He wasn't even thinking about any possibility of making a return to the England squad, let alone the World Cup. If he did, he would've made the logical choice of going to West Ham. There was even an attempt at positioning himself as a "mental health victim" after Dele Alli came out bawling before Gary Neville, it did work to an extent for a short period of time as some people in the media including pundits and journalists suddenly became very careful when commenting about a waste like Lingard.
Ultimately who ever his minders were, he made the final decisions. Laziness, immaturity and a lack of application destroyed his career, plain and simple. He's still rich and probably doesn't care. I would be very upset if my club signed a player like him 😡
What does that even mean? His mind might not be wholly on football. Is he supposed to think of nothing but football all day long? Do you say the same of players doing the rocking baby celebration, or any other pre planned celebration? Absolute nonsense.
@@danpreston564it’s this simple. You’ve scored a goal at Old Trafford in front of 75k and rather than being elated you’ve scored, glad you’ve equalised/put your team in front and running to celebrate with the fans……he’s just thinking about himself and off the field stuff! Where is the winners mentality? The let’s go again! This is all backed up by the fact he can’t even get a club in the Saudi era!! Think about it. Have a nice day.
He made the worst mistake of his career by not signing permanently with West Ham after the successful loan spell. He should never have believed Ole, saying he'd get game time. But Lingard is probably just happy that he got to play with Ronaldo
You really think Ole persuade him to stay at Man Utd? Ronaldo came back to United that season, can you imagine a world famous footballer would be great for his stupid clothing brand. He even try to make Ronaldo do the stupid JL hand sign.
Tbf, I really don’t think Ole PLANNED on Ronaldo coming back. Maybe Lingard would’ve had more PT, seeing how he’d only have to compete with Dan James and Sancho at the time.
He has himself to blame!! He decided to join Nottingham because of the wages even though West Ham were willing to welcome him with open arms and the fans loved him.
He disappointed many by not staying at West Ham. The only reason he went to Forest was more money. He was first choice and was playing well. He had stability and didnt want it
As far as i am concerned it was a mistake to sign him a total waste of money. And it annoys me when other forest fans say he was good for the team because he was good support on the sidelines. I am sorry but he wasn't employed to be a chairleader he was employed to assist in keeping forest up. He was more interested in his social media endeavours than he was for us.
The gas thing is you have thousands of cheerleaders and they're the ones paying the wages, following the team home and away each week. This idea that footballers are good because they're supportive is nonsense. He was on like 200k a week at Forest.
His biggest mistake was not going to Westham permanently. He found the form of his life there, where the team made him better and he made the team better. As a Man Utd fan I've always wanted to see Jesse do well and I think that was a match made in heaven. I don't like how much hate the guy gets because of social media. Jesse has a big heart and is a good guy, from stopping randomly to have a kick around with kids who recognised him pass in his car to that time after he scored the winner in the FA Cup, turning up to where United fans were drinking and buying everyone a few pints and staying and mingling with everyone. I hope his next move is good for him and he's happy, he deserves it, best of luck to him 👏
Trust me, you wouldn't recognise him after he got a contract. Lucky escape for West Ham....then again, most football fans are blinkered, lack real football knowledge and not too bright 😏
If only he pushed to join West Ham permanently in 2021 instead of believing Ole, then he would have been a club legend for West Ham. At Manchester United he did play his best football under Mourinho but under Ole he failed to score and assist for 18 months and under Moyes at West Ham on loan he was enjoying himself again. Last season made a poor move to Nottingham instead of joining West Ham on a free and done nothing like no goals and no assists. Now his career is in limbo with no clubs pursuing his signature. It's sad. I always enjoyed watching Lingard at Manchester United especially when Mourinho truly got the best of him.
Its all on him when west ham wanted him he wanted more money , under ole he couldn't be bothered and it was clear to see his downfall is all on him and him alone
@@yaboibunsen363 Payet is not a club legend bro. Probably more of a cult player. Just because clubs like West Ham aren't super successful doesn't mean they don't have actual legends
The most amazing thing about lingard is that despite only ever being an average prem player, he still somehow makes millions of people feel the urge to make comments about how average he was.
Seems simplistic but to me Lingard was always one of those legend in his own mind players. Someone who thought he could make it somewhere like United and someone who wanted to be a Ronaldo or a Messi without the hard work and focus on the football that those types of players have.
This feels like the type of video his agent asked you to do. Pumping him up when it reality his last spell at forrest was very poor. He's not cut out for the big leauges anymore should take a championship or mls contract
The moment he started referring to himself a J-Lingz it was over. That’s the point his 100% focus on football died. He was average anyway. Had about 2 good seasons.
What "undoubted talent"? I think that's one of the key problems. There never was any reason to judge Jesse as being a highly talented player. He never was, he just was paid like one by the embarrassingly poor management at Man United. He was always a mediocre player with 2 or 3 very good performances per season. His talent is very "doubtable".
he just looked different for man utd on the field towards the end, yet he found his spark that he had before at west ham and had that permanent cheeky smile he had before. it was mistake not staying there had he done so i think moyes would have made full use of him.
If Lingard is going for the MLS, it would suit his brand and style of play. As long as he spends his time remaining fit, he should be fine for whichever team he ends up joining.
I believe joining West Ham United would have been the best move at the time for him. Then again, regardless of how this plays out, he has had an okay career - at least, when compared to another of ours, a certain Ravel Morrison.
Loved watching Lingard at west ham, he was a perfect fit for them and should of stayed there. But he was sold dreams and had the chance to play with his idol back at united. I feel sorry for him about that. But he should have gone back to west ham when he was a free agent in 2022
I’d say I noticed the trend with Ozil (though his happened while at a club) and a few others. They are players with ability but at a high price point. The price (wages etc) is one only the biggest teams will pay or a small or medium team would only pay for a player they are absolutely sure would perform and raise their level. The need to keep big players with huge contracts usually leads to such contracts and if performances dip or injury sets in or manager/ play style change, you have a big player with a big contract or a free agent with significant demands.
Ozil and Lingard? You must be a Man Utd fan! LMAO. Just like Martial, and Pogba. Notice a pattern? The only thing that these trash are devoted to are themselves.
Lingard overvalues himself. If he lowered his demands, he could find a club. Comebacks are possible, no matter the reason for the time off. There are all kinds of openings out there. Willian at Fulham, Andros Townsend at Luton at two examples.
I remember seeing him zip this insane diagonal ball across his backyard towards a wheelie bin (well over 40yrs) during the pandemic and it rattled the rim but popped out. His response: “I’ll take that.” His career in a nutshell.
The same thing that happened to Dele Alli. Lack of maturity. All I remember him doing at the 2018 World Cup semifinal was incessantly yelling at the referee. Edit: The guy refused to join Newcastle at the start of last season because they wanted to pay him 120k per week but he was adamant he wanted 180k. Bad decision Jesse.
Even if he is good enough to get into a squad, any club would be stupid to touch him. He alienates fans and I’d guess he does the same to senior squad members.
As as United fan, I have very rarely been impressed with him. His time at West Ham was over hyped, scoring a few counters against weakened teams that seemed to be his only highlight.
The lad was a lifelong United fan who wanted to chance to go back and be a part of his boyhood club again It was said that Solksjaer told him he would feature in the first team at United after impressing at West Ham & they didn't want to sell him to a team they saw as a "rival" at the time either so him going back to United wasn't strange at all. He joined Forest over West Ham when his contract expired for money. They offered a bigger salary and massive bonuses as mentioned which West Ham simply weren't willing to match given his form has been notoriously inconsistent
@@vignotum132 Lets all weep for the multimillionaire that doesn't have any pride and is happy to sit on the bench collecting a paycheck for doing absolutely nothing. The fact of the matter is Jessie doesn't seem to care about being a footballer, he had the option to go to West Ham and have the team built around him, but he chose to stay at Man U even though it was obvious that they weren't going to use him. Then he had the option to go to West Ham on a 2 year deal and once again be a lynchpin for the team, instead he chose Forest because they were paying him more money. Nobody should have any sympathy for a lazy idiot.
0:04 - 30 months ago* he hasn't got the chops to play at the highest level. I said he'd be great for the MLS when we released him. He can go out there and have fun on social media, rub shoulders with b-tech celebs, he doesn't have to integrate language-wise and the league's poor enough that he could actually do somewhat well there
It’s a good point, I think footballers followed the lead of those that went before them, you needed another contract as your wages wouldn’t keep you forever…as the wages, even in the earlier PL days, while higher than average, weren’t life changing…they’re now realising that they can just sit back and wait…they don’t NEED to work for a few years…they know there will always be the MLS, the Saudi league and even desperate promoted clubs who need a big name
Jose Mourinho said something along the lines of ... See where United's former players play, if they play. Man was right all along about our decline. Football heritage.
Tbh not every footballer sees football as a passion but rather as a job So some people, like Lingard, just wanted to get out of poverty and once they get that, they are happy and that all
This is so true. I know fans love seeing passionate footballers. But not everyone will be successful hungry as Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi. This reminds me of the expectations people gave to Neymar. That's what I feel about Neymar. Yeah he is passionate about football but I don't think he ever wanted to be the greatest footballs ever. He was content with were he was.
life is all about choices, lingardinho was doing good at west ham, but decided to go back to manu to be benched again for a whole year. he didn't do much at not forrest to earn a good place anywhere else
Sometimes when I’m being offered a job that I don’t like but also don’t want to personally decline, I just ask for a price so ridiculous that even the Saudis would laugh at. I’m sure that for a man as rich as Lingard, he’ll do the same thing.
Sad waste of talent really, especially when you consider Andrés Townsends situation where he fought back from a terrible ACL without a club and has worked so hard. Townsend seems to really appreciate Luton Town, which with great respect is a step down from his former employers although still top flight. I doubt that AT was ever on the same level of salary though.
When Lingard did ehat he did fkr West Ham, United wanted him for another year, the Ronaldo year. The attack was too stacked for him to fit anywhere and he just never played. United ruined his momentum not once, but twice. I thought I was going to see a beast at Nottingham, but what happened, happened.
It's a strange situation really because he did a lot for Forest off the pitch last season, especially a forest that wasn't used to top flight football. But unfortunately he did very little on it.
I always had a lot of time for Jesse Lingard as a United fan but Jesse is everything that is wrong with modern day football. Not a team player, doesn't take his job seriously, thinks the world revolves around him and that he is the main character, doesn't put in extra work, thinks just because he was gifted with the talent of playing football that he is better than everyone else. He shunned all the older players at Man United thinking they were old and out of touch and along with Pogba poisoned some of the younger players in the squad as they were "cool and trendy" players that were outgoing. The best thing United ever did was let him and Pogba go and are now trying to bring in professionals who take their job seriously. There is a reason Lingard is still unemployed, nobody wants to deal with a prima dona who thinks he is world class when his attitude is stinking.
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Him not joining West Ham was a tad bit odd and coming to know that they were interested and turned it down was just bluntly disappointing. He gelled so well with the hammers and I can't help but think he's a bit problematic
It’s always been pretty obvious he’s a bit odd and overly obsessed with social media and or himself
@@YOU-iw4urthis, he was given a new contract at United and promised game time
@@benlane7282an issue with allot of people sadly
And now he can't get a club??, yeah that's all down to Ole. What a joke. he used West Ham as a stepping stone to 'bigger things' at Forrest, and he was a failure. Now no-one wants him because he is not a professional football player, he is a self-obsessed idiot and everyone in football can see that now. @@lenenlawless
@@lenenlawlesshe left on a free? Why didn’t he join West Ham
As Jose Mourinho said "do you know many of united players that left the club last season? see where they play, how they play, IF THEY PLAY"
"Otttttttamendi, Kevin de Bruyne they all investments of the past"
"If they play" daaaammnnn
Thats football erritage
@@davids8127 Kevin de Bruyne is an outlier. Most of Mourinho’s comments are spot on so far. A true visionary.
@@nont18411mou did buy kdb, just at the time there are better players than him. Kdb aint no patient boi
Lingard can get a club, even in the PL as currently constituted. He just has to lower his demands and expectations because sometimes life comes at you like that and you gotta humble yourself to get another shot
Maybe he doesn't want to rush into any contract half heartedly.
Same with De Gea
@@thereckon3592 his Forest wages are in the video. His demands are too high.
He's not just pondering which move is correct, if he gets a contract that meets his wage demands he'll bite off whoevers hand is holding it.
Jesse Lingard and humble don't go together. He's only bothered about the ££££££.
Humility is hard to come by these days especially in that pro footballing world. So many players rather take the disgraceful path of money instead
I will never forget Lingardinho at West Ham he was so fire
🔥🔥🔥
True. But his best was 17/18 by far, November to February especially (Michael Jackson came back to life at the Emirates 🕺😂) 🔥
@@SihleMswelilmaoooo chill. Best player in the league for West Ham. He’ll beat player in the league if you don’t count all the people that season ahead of him💀
@@SihleMsweli I mean great but he objectively wasn’t better than Harry Kane mo salah or Bruno Fernandez that season.
@@SihleMsweli He was very much in the conversation as the best player in the prem in the 5 month period he was West Ham it's hard to deny that.
@@SihleMsweli “arguably the best” and i had an argument against it. Maybe you should learn the english language before typing nonsense.
What happened to Dele?
What happened to Lingard?
Looking forward to a year from now, what happened to Sancho?
Same story . They so full of themselve stop pratice and improving. So their level stay the same after many year while new player come and took their place
Fame>Football
For all 3 but it seems to be a sub culture at Man Utd
It’s the light skin effect.
Y do u look forward to it? Hating this early in the morning is crazy
@@saab2906 Some evil people in this world fueled by their hate of Manchester United players
Nothing happened to him. He has always been a social media influencer and a part-time footballer.
Tifo "and there's always the cesspit of social media full of weird little gremlins calling him lazy"
@JJ-xy6kt - "I'm here to make this point as obnoxiously as possible"
@@HerrCron
Both can be correct though.
His hard to get mentality/ delusions are a big part of why he's not playing where he should be right now
Lmao he followed Pogba’s foosteps. We have another fraud in the name of assford
Couldn’t have said it better 😂
He’s low-key corny
Lingard is a huge mash up of everything wrong with modern footballers
The tiktok rampage at United with pogba didn't serve him well
Absolutely 100% he's like the prime example of it.
More dele alli I say
Nah good on him for staying composed under all that pressure and asserting his independent choice. We have no idea what he’s doing with his time, which loved ones and friends he’s supporting, which causes he’s helping, what self-development he’s doing. I bet it means a lot to his local community sports centre that he trains there with all the publicity and status that gets them
@@montyshield8876 That is all fine and good but don't do it at Manchester United. When you're at a big club with big history, your primary responsibility is to train hard and win. If you can't do that, then quit the club and play at a lower level. Otherwise you are just being selfish to the fans. This is the same deal with Maguire. People would LOVE him if he just admits that he's not good enough and goes to a weaker club or league. Of course, now it has changed already. Manchester United is now a commercial club that doesn't compete for trophies anymore. Thanks to this culture of accepting poor players. There is a time and place for everything in football. Some people just need to be aware of that and be less selfish.
My Dad used to call him "100k", a reference to his weekly salary. At the time, he earned more than Salah. He turned down West Ham because they offered him a lower salary. Forest offered him a slightly higher salary on a one year contract. The guy saw contractless Sanchez join United on 500k a week and thought that would be him.
Yeah... Ok.... Just make up whatever you want.
@@mundolioknows6447 It is true though. He rejected West ham because Forest offered him way more money. He earned almost 2 times as much in 1 year at forest as he would at WHU in 2 years.
@@mesicek7 sorry, but that is absolutely wrong. Lingard was actually only on £80k basic at forest, the rest was offered in the form of appearance bonuses, which he didn't earn. You have no idea what he was offered at West ham.
You also fail to recognise that there was a year in between his west ham loan and joining forest. He sat on the bench during that season and barely made a sub appearance. West ham delayed making an offer for him so he started talking to other clubs. Nottingham is also a lot closer to his home than London.
@@mundolioknows6447 Because he was a free transfer he got a big signing on fee. Remember when everyone were reporting how much Sanchez was earning at utd? 500k a week? It was because of the signing on fee which was calculated into the basic salary. No club will pay millions up front. His base salary at Forest was 120k + signing on fee which was never revealed but i'm almost certain it was at least 1m which comes to around 21k a week more. so he was earning close to 140k a week. He was their most paid player at the time.
@@mesicek7 well according to multiple scources, including forest, his wage was £80k per week. He would have earned the equivalent of £200k if he'd met all the criteria, which he failed to do.
Anyway, my general feelings about Lingard was that he was never that great and I don't really care what he did after united. He is entitled to try and earn as much as he can. I don't understand why he got (and still gets)so much abuse. He had a decent career, but has struggled with mental issues and unfortunately for him, his united career happened to be in the post-fergie era when united are a mess.
The Lingard case is a perfect example of poor representation and lack of seriousness:
1. Poor representation: Lingard's agent / brother manages him or atleast used to during his last years at United. When he came back from his super successful West Ham loan, United were ready to sanction a sale. There were suitors too - West Ham were interested among other PL clubs and I believe Lingard was ready to go back. His minders however, kept telling him he was undervalued i.e. needed to be paid more (like over 100k a week) and potentially deserved Champions League football. That seems a bit much for someone who just had a good 4-month spell (you need consistency). The agent also went on record saying that with 1-yr left on his contract "they held all the chips". That is quite ridiculous - so much talent out there and you don't hold chips when you've had the stop-start career Lingard has. So, they squandered that opportunity and he sat on the bench. Even in Jan, they wanted United to send him on loan / release him so they could get a better pay day from a club not having to pay transfer fees. Why would United agree to these demands - and they ended up keeping him after the Greenwood news. 6-months on, he was a free agent and there were a lot of suitors - but his value had diminished since he'd been a benchwarmer for a year. Again, his representation over valued him - turned down multi-year contracts from good clubs because they wanted crazy money. They would get crazy money (>100k a week) ONLY from Forest and it was a one year. Why would you sign a one-year deal as a 30yr-old when you have clubs like Newcastle, Fulham offering multi-year contracts. Yes, lower pay but more stable clubs (remember Forest were just promoted and signed ~15 players that summer). Again - bad representation. Clearly more money turned out to be less money in the long-term - he is now without a contract.
2. Lack of seriousness: Players cannot choose to turn up when they want to. It's about consistency and working hard all the time. You can't work hard for a few months and live off that. He's been late to training, faked minor injuries and his time on social media is shockingly high - nope, not some PR company doing social stuff, Lingard himself spends a lot of time on KRplus and IG. Maybe being friends with the wrong folks - Pogba, Sancho etc., impacted him, but as a serious footballer, you got to be 'ON' all the time. De Bruyne, Fernandes - players he was compared to during his West Ham spell - compare their seriousness for football to Lingard. Have you seen them post prank videos with teammates. Lingard also annoyed United pushing for them to give him some KRplus exclusivity for content - again, another sign of non-seriousness from a footballing standpoint.
a lot of talent, I really wish he had channeled it better or atleast had the right minders to advise to focus on what's important. I am hearing Rashford has similar minders not giving him the best advise. Sad!
I know right. I keep drawing parallels to him and Andreas Pereira, guy recognized he is of little value to his brand if he stayed at United. Went to Brazil, got his form back and choose Fulham with the lower wages but the guaranteed of a long-term stability. Today, he is doing okay for himself career wise
Took a gamble and lost. It was inevitable, though. A player having to go out on loan and then joining a team that would be fighting for their seat at the top table is always going to be a disaster. He was never going to be able to produce his best football with that calibre of player around him. That's why he only has himself to blame, took the short term payday instead of playing the long game. If he signed permanent for West Ham and had an okay season clubs would still be willing to take a punt on him. 🤡
Just to add a slight correction, The Athletic reported that Forest actually offered him a 2-year deal with maybe slightly lower wages. He/They didn't want it, probably thinking that he could shine as a "big fish in a small pond" at Forest for a season then zip off for a bigger deal elsewhere. He wasn't even thinking about any possibility of making a return to the England squad, let alone the World Cup. If he did, he would've made the logical choice of going to West Ham. There was even an attempt at positioning himself as a "mental health victim" after Dele Alli came out bawling before Gary Neville, it did work to an extent for a short period of time as some people in the media including pundits and journalists suddenly became very careful when commenting about a waste like Lingard.
Ultimately who ever his minders were, he made the final decisions.
Laziness, immaturity and a lack of application destroyed his career, plain and simple.
He's still rich and probably doesn't care.
I would be very upset if my club signed a player like him 😡
I remember reading that his goal celebration was designed to promote his clothing brand. I concluded that his mind might not be wholly on football.
What does that even mean? His mind might not be wholly on football. Is he supposed to think of nothing but football all day long? Do you say the same of players doing the rocking baby celebration, or any other pre planned celebration?
Absolute nonsense.
Well yeah most players dont think soley on football theyd burn out at that point
Correct!! 100%. The fact people can’t see how bad it is to have a player who isn’t fully commited in the dressing room is laughable.
@@danpreston564it’s this simple. You’ve scored a goal at Old Trafford in front of 75k and rather than being elated you’ve scored, glad you’ve equalised/put your team in front and running to celebrate with the fans……he’s just thinking about himself and off the field stuff! Where is the winners mentality? The let’s go again! This is all backed up by the fact he can’t even get a club in the Saudi era!! Think about it.
Have a nice day.
The thing is once the cheque stops they go broke
Still a young upcoming talent at 31! What a feat!
heh... my boy.... eating his vegetables... developing..
needs more time. he's developing
🤣 This comment is gold!
The fact remains that Lingard is an average player, clubs would be willing to sign him for reasonable salary, but he wants to get a ridiculous salary
Average players don’t have anywhere near the number of great moments as Lingard did.
@@dreadful_name2924 if there so many moments of brilliance, why don't clubs want to sign him for such high wages ?
@@dreadful_name2924 Ravel Morrison had great moments. My mate Chris had great moments during PE.
@@dreadful_name2924I had a great moment back in the day I saved a goal with my face.
Excellent young prospect - long future ahead of him 🙌🏼
Lingardinho the next Ronaldinho.
Just a kid
heh...
He made the worst mistake of his career by not signing permanently with West Ham after the successful loan spell. He should never have believed Ole, saying he'd get game time.
But Lingard is probably just happy that he got to play with Ronaldo
"He should have never believed Ole" that's easy to say after the fact isn't it
You really think Ole persuade him to stay at Man Utd? Ronaldo came back to United that season, can you imagine a world famous footballer would be great for his stupid clothing brand. He even try to make Ronaldo do the stupid JL hand sign.
Tbf, I really don’t think Ole PLANNED on Ronaldo coming back. Maybe Lingard would’ve had more PT, seeing how he’d only have to compete with Dan James and Sancho at the time.
He has himself to blame!! He decided to join Nottingham because of the wages even though West Ham were willing to welcome him with open arms and the fans loved him.
He disappointed many by not staying at West Ham. The only reason he went to Forest was more money. He was first choice and was playing well.
He had stability and didnt want it
“The United players that left the club - see where they play, how they play, if they play.”
Jose Mourinho
This is what happens when a footballer becomes a social media "influencer". Him and Pogba are good examples
As far as i am concerned it was a mistake to sign him a total waste of money. And it annoys me when other forest fans say he was good for the team because he was good support on the sidelines. I am sorry but he wasn't employed to be a chairleader he was employed to assist in keeping forest up. He was more interested in his social media endeavours than he was for us.
The gas thing is you have thousands of cheerleaders and they're the ones paying the wages, following the team home and away each week. This idea that footballers are good because they're supportive is nonsense. He was on like 200k a week at Forest.
Surely the worst of all options was to choose nothing and spend over 6 months regressing and declining professionally?
How do you not mention the best example of this. ISCO. He waited and waited and he’s now been MOTM 12x
Didnt Isco just fail a lot of medicals at different clubs and that was why he was so long without a club?
His biggest mistake was not going to Westham permanently. He found the form of his life there, where the team made him better and he made the team better.
As a Man Utd fan I've always wanted to see Jesse do well and I think that was a match made in heaven. I don't like how much hate the guy gets because of social media. Jesse has a big heart and is a good guy, from stopping randomly to have a kick around with kids who recognised him pass in his car to that time after he scored the winner in the FA Cup, turning up to where United fans were drinking and buying everyone a few pints and staying and mingling with everyone. I hope his next move is good for him and he's happy, he deserves it, best of luck to him 👏
Not joining West Ham was his biggest mistake!. He was so good that year!
Trust me, you wouldn't recognise him after he got a contract. Lucky escape for West Ham....then again, most football fans are blinkered, lack real football knowledge and not too bright 😏
@@jackdominiak445 source: literally trust me bro
@@RobertDoornbosF1 well the source would actually be the fact that he went on trial afterwards and was rejected 😂
If only he pushed to join West Ham permanently in 2021 instead of believing Ole, then he would have been a club legend for West Ham. At Manchester United he did play his best football under Mourinho but under Ole he failed to score and assist for 18 months and under Moyes at West Ham on loan he was enjoying himself again. Last season made a poor move to Nottingham instead of joining West Ham on a free and done nothing like no goals and no assists. Now his career is in limbo with no clubs pursuing his signature. It's sad. I always enjoyed watching Lingard at Manchester United especially when Mourinho truly got the best of him.
Its all on him when west ham wanted him he wanted more money , under ole he couldn't be bothered and it was clear to see his downfall is all on him and him alone
club legend is a bit much lol
@@leftenantthunder Payet became a club legend after less than 2 years it doesn't take much for them
@@yaboibunsen363 Payet is not a club legend bro. Probably more of a cult player. Just because clubs like West Ham aren't super successful doesn't mean they don't have actual legends
it really is amazing what level ex-United players play at
Even more amazing is the quality of football that current united players play at.
He's a perfect example of someone who gives more importance to social media than his football career
He, sancho and rashford. What a trio
???
When we’re they a good trio?
@@croissantpower for your interpretation, though that wasnt what i had in mind
The most amazing thing about lingard is that despite only ever being an average prem player, he still somehow makes millions of people feel the urge to make comments about how average he was.
Seems simplistic but to me Lingard was always one of those legend in his own mind players. Someone who thought he could make it somewhere like United and someone who wanted to be a Ronaldo or a Messi without the hard work and focus on the football that those types of players have.
This feels like the type of video his agent asked you to do. Pumping him up when it reality his last spell at forrest was very poor. He's not cut out for the big leauges anymore should take a championship or mls contract
Him not joining West Ham was his downfall... he could've been a star there....
Please, do a video on Zagallo! His tactical contributions, both as a player and as a manager, aren't talked about enough!
Always feel like he’s younger than he is , crazy to think he might retire soon
He's heading to Korea now. Wow.
Remember the WestHam Lingard
The moment he started referring to himself a J-Lingz it was over. That’s the point his 100% focus on football died. He was average anyway. Had about 2 good seasons.
Ayo, the audio is in spanish now? This is great and well made👏
Dayum, almost every year "What happened to Jesse Lingard?" pops into my youtube feed
He did the United special.
What "undoubted talent"? I think that's one of the key problems. There never was any reason to judge Jesse as being a highly talented player. He never was, he just was paid like one by the embarrassingly poor management at Man United. He was always a mediocre player with 2 or 3 very good performances per season. His talent is very "doubtable".
just another footballer that cared about social media more than their football career
he just looked different for man utd on the field towards the end, yet he found his spark that he had before at west ham and had that permanent cheeky smile he had before. it was mistake not staying there had he done so i think moyes would have made full use of him.
32 caps for England and I can barely remember anything he did in that shirt.
If Lingard is going for the MLS, it would suit his brand and style of play.
As long as he spends his time remaining fit, he should be fine for whichever team he ends up joining.
"brand" lol
I believe joining West Ham United would have been the best move at the time for him. Then again, regardless of how this plays out, he has had an okay career - at least, when compared to another of ours, a certain Ravel Morrison.
Loved watching Lingard at west ham, he was a perfect fit for them and should of stayed there. But he was sold dreams and had the chance to play with his idol back at united. I feel sorry for him about that. But he should have gone back to west ham when he was a free agent in 2022
Exciting young player, great career ahead of him
Like Lingaard, that joke is well past it's peak. Time to put it to bed
@@jmckendry84 heh.... my youngster jesse... he will not be limited by bed times....
I’d say I noticed the trend with Ozil (though his happened while at a club) and a few others. They are players with ability but at a high price point.
The price (wages etc) is one only the biggest teams will pay or a small or medium team would only pay for a player they are absolutely sure would perform and raise their level.
The need to keep big players with huge contracts usually leads to such contracts and if performances dip or injury sets in or manager/ play style change, you have a big player with a big contract or a free agent with significant demands.
I'm sorry but Ozil doesn't fall in the same category as Lingard and their cases are very different
Ozil and Lingard? You must be a Man Utd fan! LMAO. Just like Martial, and Pogba. Notice a pattern? The only thing that these trash are devoted to are themselves.
Ozil isn’t even in the conversation with Lingaard
Sad if he went to West Ham all would have been well
Lingard overvalues himself. If he lowered his demands, he could find a club. Comebacks are possible, no matter the reason for the time off. There are all kinds of openings out there. Willian at Fulham, Andros Townsend at Luton at two examples.
I remember seeing him zip this insane diagonal ball across his backyard towards a wheelie bin (well over 40yrs) during the pandemic and it rattled the rim but popped out. His response: “I’ll take that.” His career in a nutshell.
The same thing that happened to Dele Alli. Lack of maturity. All I remember him doing at the 2018 World Cup semifinal was incessantly yelling at the referee.
Edit: The guy refused to join Newcastle at the start of last season because they wanted to pay him 120k per week but he was adamant he wanted 180k. Bad decision Jesse.
Even if he is good enough to get into a squad, any club would be stupid to touch him. He alienates fans and I’d guess he does the same to senior squad members.
It's easy to envisage quite a few members of the current Man Utd squad ending up in this situation.
He stopped caring about being a footballer and just wanted to be a star instead.He could get a club if he really wanted to.
As as United fan, I have very rarely been impressed with him. His time at West Ham was over hyped, scoring a few counters against weakened teams that seemed to be his only highlight.
Always a legend in his own mind only. Will start a rapping career before long alongside his clothing brand. What a do do.
Welcome to FC Seoul, Seoul Korea 🥹👊🏻
The lad was a lifelong United fan who wanted to chance to go back and be a part of his boyhood club again
It was said that Solksjaer told him he would feature in the first team at United after impressing at West Ham & they didn't want to sell him to a team they saw as a "rival" at the time either so him going back to United wasn't strange at all.
He joined Forest over West Ham when his contract expired for money. They offered a bigger salary and massive bonuses as mentioned which West Ham simply weren't willing to match given his form has been notoriously inconsistent
That illustration is doing Lingard soooo dirty 😂😂
Iam waiting for another interview where he blames depression and refuses to take any accountability.
The lack of sympathy is incredible
@@vignotum132 Lets all weep for the multimillionaire that doesn't have any pride and is happy to sit on the bench collecting a paycheck for doing absolutely nothing.
The fact of the matter is Jessie doesn't seem to care about being a footballer, he had the option to go to West Ham and have the team built around him, but he chose to stay at Man U even though it was obvious that they weren't going to use him.
Then he had the option to go to West Ham on a 2 year deal and once again be a lynchpin for the team, instead he chose Forest because they were paying him more money.
Nobody should have any sympathy for a lazy idiot.
make a video for mattias zindelar’s austria of 1930’s
he has the balls to ask for more than the saudi clubs offered him, so that’s a loss for him
Much the same what happened to players that drift like him....ego and stubbornness with some injuries involved
0:04 - 30 months ago*
he hasn't got the chops to play at the highest level. I said he'd be great for the MLS when we released him. He can go out there and have fun on social media, rub shoulders with b-tech celebs, he doesn't have to integrate language-wise and the league's poor enough that he could actually do somewhat well there
Lingard to Luton has an interesting ring in my mind
You know your career is messed up when Tifo football makes a video about you! 😂
bro trying to get that Miami move
It’s a good point, I think footballers followed the lead of those that went before them, you needed another contract as your wages wouldn’t keep you forever…as the wages, even in the earlier PL days, while higher than average, weren’t life changing…they’re now realising that they can just sit back and wait…they don’t NEED to work for a few years…they know there will always be the MLS, the Saudi league and even desperate promoted clubs who need a big name
Appreciated his tenure at united
Jose Mourinho said something along the lines of ... See where United's former players play, if they play. Man was right all along about our decline. Football heritage.
The streets will never forget ligatd at west ham
Tbh not every footballer sees football as a passion but rather as a job
So some people, like Lingard, just wanted to get out of poverty and once they get that, they are happy and that all
This is so true. I know fans love seeing passionate footballers. But not everyone will be successful hungry as Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi.
This reminds me of the expectations people gave to Neymar. That's what I feel about Neymar. Yeah he is passionate about football but I don't think he ever wanted to be the greatest footballs ever. He was content with were he was.
@@phistoltv5196 exactly footballers are just like us regular people
Man, I forgot all about Lord Lingardinho until this video. Where is he at now, I dont even know.
For me he is still a young prospect
😂😂 se what you did there
Even in 2050 he will remain young prospect 😅
heh... a young and promising youngster... my boy jesse..
Hope the young fella bounces back, got a lot of potential
Gio dos Santos is also a player that hasn’t had a club in like 2 years, a Mexico GOAT
"The life of quote 'JLingz'." was more than enough of a statement to highlight the problem.
life is all about choices, lingardinho was doing good at west ham, but decided to go back to manu to be benched again for a whole year. he didn't do much at not forrest to earn a good place anywhere else
He needs to go to MLS. He would be an incredible addition to any team.
"See how they play, where they play, IF they play".
Sometimes when I’m being offered a job that I don’t like but also don’t want to personally decline, I just ask for a price so ridiculous that even the Saudis would laugh at. I’m sure that for a man as rich as Lingard, he’ll do the same thing.
the kenny powers of modern football.
He’s still young, give him some time to grow and in a few years he will be in his prime 😊
Sad waste of talent really, especially when you consider Andrés Townsends situation where he fought back from a terrible ACL without a club and has worked so hard. Townsend seems to really appreciate Luton Town, which with great respect is a step down from his former employers although still top flight. I doubt that AT was ever on the same level of salary though.
Imagine De Gea, Lingard, Mustafi, Dele in the MLS
This young guy plus young Terry Walcott look like they're just wating for the right move to kickstart a long and glorious career.
They both have such potential.😂🤣😂
Man's called The Emirates a dance floor now he ain't dancing anymore
now he is coming to Korea and to my beloved club fc seoul. as a Korean i'm still shocked and confused haha. i mean to Fc seoul? really?
Money talks
He saw ultimate end of the football and walk away from it.
Still waiting for the Video about how good Zidane, Beckam, Kaka, Van Persy were!
When Lingard did ehat he did fkr West Ham, United wanted him for another year, the Ronaldo year. The attack was too stacked for him to fit anywhere and he just never played. United ruined his momentum not once, but twice. I thought I was going to see a beast at Nottingham, but what happened, happened.
if he wasn't wanting 100k+ he'd be mint in a luton shirt. barkley and townsend have been solid so far
Him and Dele should do a podcast and have Mourinho as the first guest. It'd break the internet.
Why mostly former United players?
It’s the Man United Curse
United ruins players
@@Brazil101kid Blame the owners and their stupid accountants who give big contracts to overrated piles of rubbish
It's a strange situation really because he did a lot for Forest off the pitch last season, especially a forest that wasn't used to top flight football.
But unfortunately he did very little on it.
I always had a lot of time for Jesse Lingard as a United fan but Jesse is everything that is wrong with modern day football. Not a team player, doesn't take his job seriously, thinks the world revolves around him and that he is the main character, doesn't put in extra work, thinks just because he was gifted with the talent of playing football that he is better than everyone else. He shunned all the older players at Man United thinking they were old and out of touch and along with Pogba poisoned some of the younger players in the squad as they were "cool and trendy" players that were outgoing. The best thing United ever did was let him and Pogba go and are now trying to bring in professionals who take their job seriously.
There is a reason Lingard is still unemployed, nobody wants to deal with a prima dona who thinks he is world class when his attitude is stinking.
Such a talented young prospect, at the tender age of 30.
31
Come on Everton! Do this deal! You need a creator when Doucoure isn't available! Dyche do this deal!!!
Won’t Dele be back soon? I heard he’ll be back in a few weeks not sure if this is true but I think he will come back and shine for Everton
wait lingard is 31, I thought he was still in his 20s
Lingard hasn't been in 20's for two years now. - Michael Owen.
Baby-faced. Was born in 1992.