This is a good changes for players who are not playing right now....But those who are in the game almost every day, who have tested builds and all they can throw in the trash now...So all of the work up to now has been completely useless....thank you, dear guys lol
Manu G. Yes you are absolutely right. I played D2 like 120h and benched it since beginning Q3 19. Because of this stupid gear system all the problems they mentioned in the beginning bothered me. For me these changes sounds good and I plan to play the game after the reboot. But surly it sucks for active players.
@@marrsil I will continue to play, I need division....its something like my job, you know...anyway, I am sad...cause 10 months there were useless...all my stuff, trust me, very good stuff, is actually the garbage.....something I worked on those long months...In the future they will do what?...we can expect the same..another change of system...then what? Again all our stuff in the trash? Until a new update comes in a month , what to do in the game??? They made me leave the game...Playing before episode 3 is wasted and a waste of time
@@Lintlicker-ls8ne We have to start from the beginning, friend..For all our builds in trash we will get 3 cypher keys as compensation....Who knows what will in a few months
I think that’s fair - it sounds good to me, and has my interest, but I haven’t played for months. Mind you, there’s a lot more people that stopped playing than stayed with the game...
Wonder how many times they are going to have to rework the systems in the game until they realise that they had finally nailed it with Division 1 by the end.
I really loved D1. The game was far from perfect, but after Patch 1.6 on a good way. The problem these days with D2, money earning is way more important than deliver a good game. Keep it simple would be a good advice.
When they say new "things" to play, I surely hope there's more content for everyone, including PVE players. I will say this: Division 2 is addicting and insanely fun when there's something to work toward, whether it be some amazing exotic or a certain build type. But once you stop having something to work for, it gets boring fast. Unplayable even. Don't give us some new mission to grind repeatedly. Give us something to build. Something to collect. Something to work for that takes time. I'm not talking about the grindy "hope-it-drops-for-me-this-time" kind of gameplay. I'm talking about fun gameplay that allows us to feel powerful. After all, isn't that what shooting games are all about?
Player base: "WE WANT MORE LOOT AND WE WANT IT TO BE GOOD!!?" Devs: "We're gonna change things up to get you more meaningful loot!" PB: "MERRGGGHHHHH BUT MER CURRENT BUILD MERGGGHHH"
One question if I may. What about the base armor value of a piece? The white number I mean.....does that get a quality bar also?? Thanks and again I am very excited to grind again ;) just wish it was coming out NOW ;)
Mmm... I'm curious about why Thylander spoke about a exotic backpack if there isn't a exotic backpack in the game, so I wonder if he plans on giving us our "nike ninja bag" finally?
Did they say the gear will be reworked (rebooted) meaning if I rolled an attribute to that piece of gear it will go back to what it was? and the gear that I destructed for that roll is gone. not clear on this point.
Bought the game over Christmas got to the black tusk and though the grind is ridiculous and also it's funny how you can add loot crates in and new gear but not fix bugs. Also it took me while doing side missions / story missions 24 hours to find a high end 😐
What the hell are these folks thinking? Taking the talents off of everything but the vest and pack is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Players have spent hours grinding the DZ to get these so called "perfect" pieces and now they're taking them out of the game altogether. I mean what was the point of even introducing them?
The funny thing is that they said something about build complexity being there. 2 talents is not complex, being in a role is not complex, builds just being boring is not complex. It just seems like they are just dumbing down the game for stupid uncreative people.
@@jemm225 ...they're making it easier for the newcomers to catch up to us...they got our money..but they want there's too. We look like fools again. It happened in Division 1
I really like what you are trying to archive. I became increasingly more exited with every point you mentioned in your first slide. You are pretty much on point with the things that go wrong (in my opinion). I am hyped to see how this will work ingame once this path is applied. Is there an kind of release date range?
Lately I have been leaving all loot on the ground. All of it. It's just to overwhelming to try and critically analyze every item, figure out if it's good...is it worth using up my limited inventory space? I just can't be bothered. I am keen to see this new system. Something where I can decide I want to pursue a play style, and easily see whether a gear contributes to that goal.
how healthy is the playerbase? haven't seen any numbers and wonder how many are still playing the game. might join back again today after the release of EPISODE 1 and 2 :)
I can kind of see where build simplification is going but a good chunk of the fun for me has been making the most bugnuts hybrid builds I can that definitely shouldn't work but by some wierd combination factors work really well. You haven't screwed me over yet, I keep coming back and playing more (well, except Conflict. Awesome PvE co-op game, no need for PvP for me. If I want PvP I'll play Siege) so I'll wait and see as well as thrashing the hell out of it when you put it on PTS. I'm yet to be convinced but I'll wait and see. As well as do my utmost to break how you plan for things to be done to make it work the way I want it to :D
the sheer amount of gear sets, exotics, and the amount of variety builds with healing, tanking, DPS etc was what I loved about div 1. Brand sets as an alternative could also augment this idea. But I think fixing what wasnt too broken was a mistake. Div 1 was its own thing, kinda more diablo then destiny, but with its own flavour. the PVP and DZ was unique, fun. the pvp mode was cool (objective based), survival was very cool. Underground (rifts basically) was PERFECT with the hunters. It had awesome loot, it had hunters, it had difficulty for everyone. You could invest 10-20 mins, or go all out. Resistance was amazing. I think the dev time on the raids take away from the identity of the game, and it tries to "copy" destiny, wow etc, and as a result I feel it fails because still only a fraction of players actually bother with the raid.
I think you should be able to recalibrate more than 1 item, i feel it would make it easier to build your gear to your play style and such. Another thing i would like to see is haveing the ability to carry more than 1 exotics
They will never let us recalibrate more than 1 item just like no optimization table it would make too much sense and they're common sense deficient. Its like they take all the bad stuff from the division 1 and none of the good stuff. The reckless talent from the division 1 was only good if you were 1 of those dickheads that shot people in the back in the dark zone as soon as you started taking damage it was useless
Literally all good, right up until they showed the full build and solidified the fact that only chests and backpacks will have talents. I feel like the comments started to really shake up the 3 presenters and Hamish I feel was fighting the strong urge to go on DMG control.
I actually like that talents are only on chest and backpack. Then you can build around the talents you chose to define your gameplay. Then it comes down to finding the perfect brandset or gearset that plays around those talents. It also sounds like there will be more talents to choose from, and talents will be more impactful.
Not an issue at all to simplify it to backpack and chest piece, since they are stronger it also makes the decision on which talents to run really important.
@@harrygenitals1474 stop crying. I wasted the same amount of money on this game as you did so I have every right to comment how ever I want. The game is trash you can not deny it. All they had to do was take TD 1 and add it to TD2 and it would have been MUCH MUCH better.
Will all talents on gear (MASK, KNEE PADS, ETC) be wiped out. By that i mean, NO PERFECT SPOTTER, PERFECT BERSERK ETC. Will all my current builds be unusable. Or are these new gear pieces in addition to existing gear peices.
The only way to stop devs taking players (we are their f. costumers!!) for granted is to quit playing this game. Devs are supposed to fix bugs, and develop new missions to extend the life cycle of the product/service. Not to piss off their customers. It's clear that Ubisoft and their Devs don't respect players when they make this kind of changes. Most of the players have been looting for hundreds of hours, so players have invested their time in this game and because of that Ubisoft should rethink this coming update. This kind of changes in the game should be designed before the release of the game (march 2019) not now. We (the players) are not the beta testers of Ubisoft or any other videogame company.
Also with End of Action reports, everybody always trying to hit the top dps, and sometimes sticky grenading teammates to get this, how many ppl are going to be doing healer, tank, support builds ? The only place i see those builds is with friends and clans running together, but with the annex of players they probably wont be seen much
My biggest thing is, why did you change so much from the last game? There's no underground, dark zone is trash, exotics in D1 were 50x more common than D2. Hell you could even get multiple exotics from vendors back in D1. Why aren't there more vendors? They used to be at every safe house. This seemed very lazy and some things didn't get included because you didn't feel like including it.
I like the simplicity of the new potential skill system. Imagine 6 Pieces of gear, all with the a possibilty to roll "Skill Teir +1" as their core attribute meaning you'd be sitting at "+6" and at full skill (?) power. Simple but effective way to show it IMHO and after almost 1900 hours of playtime this is the most literally the most excited I've been. Thanks Massive! xoxoxox
Here's my idea for a update 3 new gear sets: one gear set dedicated to the healer support role like it's made for the hive to be bigger more efficient and more heals. A gear set that works like striker from the first division. Hear me out a gear set for ammo grants u and your team way more ammunition so u won't have to restock all the time, and gives ammo buffs Every 3 reloads from fire, explosive, electric. 2 exotics: bring back the big Alejandro from division 1, an exotic chest piece that grants like a defense matrix while shooting A bigger DZ: cannot stress that enough WE NEED MORE SPACE IN THE DZ
Will this game ever come to steam?? Its been almost year.Will epic exclusivity end? Nothing to do with stores itself just that both epic and uplay does not expect my banks card...
We need better and static talents. For some talents there are many confusing conditions. Composure from the video is a good example, easy condition and easy effect to understand. But there are some like: if enemy is affected by X, and nearbies at 10 meters, and the Moon is in conjunction with Saturn, then you'll be lucky... What!? Wait! Could you explain? I almost have no clue if talent is taking effect... It looks like an horoscope from the paper!
I do appreciate the quality of life change since this part is well overdue. My sentiment and I guess I will continue to harper on is that the objectives still sound PVE driven and oriented. Build creativity comes from harmonizing different talents found in different gear pieces, limiting this to just two simply tells me you guys are again not understanding the End Game and PVP environment. The premise should always be "Bring what you farmed", the limitation of talents is a cop-out way of saying "We don't know how to balance the game". Simplifying the game to cater to the novice player (No offense) does not define the "character" of what made the The Division 1 and 2 franchise wildly successful. Intuitiveness and Creativity are what made this game wildly popular. You guys already lost 80% of your player base and this is a good way to lose all that is left. Please re-think limiting talents to only Chest and Backpack, plenty of ways to balance the game while still keeping the core talents on each piece.
This is well said, but you are to nice. He literally says in the video in a nice way we are making this for uncreative, boring, and stupid people. With only 2 talents available per build this game will become unimaginative. There is a reason that I've put 66 days into this game, and I bet you at least 30% of it was making up and trying builds. It's the best part of the game. Now is it perfect... No. Changing the brand sets so they are all viable will be nice, but the talents... This is Massive all the way, they always do things in extreme ways. Why not give me 4 talents to work with because I have 8 on most of my builds now and they all work and have synergy. I feel like I'm losing because they figured out they can make more money making this game for stupid, uncreative people.
@@jemm225 My thoughts exactly, limiting talents to only 2 is for NOOBS to put it bluntly. Build creativity that made this game wildly successful is what kept your seasoned and hardcore players from leaving this game. Take that all away and it will be a ghost town in the DZ. More Devs. needs to play this game in the Dark Zone and stop basing everything on server side stats, but actually put in hours and days into it to fully understand how that environment and interaction works. Like you, I have over 1000+ hours in this game and over 500+ hours in the DZ.
I agree with everything you said. Limiting to 2 talents is literally catering to the newbies, the talent system isn't that'd hard to understand what makes this game as with any looter is finding the gear with the right stats or talents. Simply limiting talents to chest and back pack is pretty much like slapping the hard core fans in the face. By only making 2 pieces of gear available for talents they are completely watering down what made Div 1 good and that was having a variety of choices to use for different builds. I feel like the way they are going about it will now just make it easier to attain "meta" builds. Seems like the problem here is down to the fact they are trying to force players into picking a role. They should of thought about this sooner rather then later. Hell they could of added gear sets that has synergy with specialisations but even then I feel like the specialisations at times are very uninspired and not very creative. Specialisations should have a bigger impact on game play and not just feel it's there just as a way to buff your stats up. The last few times I've played td2 I've rarely seen people use their signature weapons
All I heard was “hey y’all, we are going to make all your time and energy in this game meaningless.” For real, screw these incompetent devs. Completely changing the game does nothing for replayability, it just turns people away. Here’s a crazy thought, stop introducing things nobody wants and fix your fucking game.
Agreed. Like just a bar on the the stats to say if its high level would have been enough. Not division 3 mechanics with the same map we played to death already
I belive fredrick did confirm this on twitter that each type of gear will have the same amount of attributes along with the core attribute. I think I read that last night
I left the game with TU6... More items, more farming, more rng, I was tired , I knew it was time to take a break. Now I like this incoming changes. Maybe I come back after this changes. As a casual gamer it was frustrating. I have 2 hours or one and a half to play per day, and not every day. I'm 35 years, full-time work, and a newborn daughter... Everytime I connect I have to spend almost 1 hour to inventory management, maybe I can play one mission, two if lucky per day... I ended paying for year 1 pass because it was impossible to me to unlock specializations... I didn't play any pvp mode yet, because I almost hadn't got time to create a pve build, so I never tried to create one for pvp. Pvp and pve should have the same rules, same maths....
I'm not sure about all this weapon damage stuff, because I feel like it really undermines the fundamentals of the game when you wind up with support or tank builds that are wielding nerf guns. At the end of the day it's a cover shooter, so taking cover and shooting must stay relevant even if you build a character who specializes in secondary systems.
Yes sure but on PvP nobody plays like that people just rush you, and with the current system you can be a Jack of all trades tank, dps monster with massive heals, that's not balanced, everyone has a weakness
the changes are looking good, i just hope that they open the loot pool to the whole game, DZ specific loot is stupid i hate grinding the DZ to get certain items that never drop.
43:06 ..ok sooo they're releasing new content in February (Episode 3) but AREN'T making ANY of these changes talked about here until the patch AFTER that??! What kind of sense does that make? New content to play/grind.. for..umm.. gear? Then change literally everything a month later if we're lucky?! Am I reading this right??! ..so what would be the point of playing now or the new content until they implement all of these huge changes??
They said TU6 will be the last time they will make us refarm our gear, after that they won't mess with the gear stats. They can't even keep their promise.
@@BrandoCalrizzien and I would have no problem with that if the game had any F*ing content but as it stands it has the same tired missions from a year ago and after the updatr it will be the same. First they should have given us some content to look forwards too. ATM it makes me sick to even log back in. And why even do it since the gear I'll get will be irrelevant after the update.
Are they gonna fix how my character changed his race, color, and facial build since the launch of this game (after just adding tattoos)? Cause that still hasn't been fixed and I'm not making a new character.
So in the world of "The Division" there are only 7 months between NYC and DC, but the agents lost their knowledge about 14 classified gear sets and 31 exotic weapons and gear pieces. The "Div-Tech" was suddenly renamed in "SHD-Tech" and became more or less useless after reaching the endgame. Traders are not even worth visiting, let aside that vendor resets at tuesday mornings is utter bs. I don't even want to start talking about Cassie Mendoza - 24hrs open, then 32 hrs closed wtf, who comes up with such a stupid system?! A lot of hot air in the last nine months, where are the exotics Cassie ought to sell, where are the guardians who should patrol together with the AI, what's wrong with those stupid Stalker Hunters and why do Hunters don't play a bigger role in this game? No Survival Mode. And now you expect us to wait for the gear changes, which come after Episode 3, when - somewhen in the summer, or what? And until then we go on farming that old loot and replay those boring missions over and over again?! And probably you'll come up with a "Year 2 pass" for 40 bucks in march aswell...i paid more than 100 bucks for the ultimate edition because i was a huge fan of Div1 and wanted to support you guys in advance, now after 9 months the same edition got sold for 25 bucks, wow that went down fast. I don't know how you guys can sit there in those livestreams and smile like you came up with a giant blockbuster game...reality check would do you some good.
Also how about fixing the bugs the game already has before adding new stuff. I have played this game so much and it's frustrating to be killed by an agent because spark won't activate after I put 2 clips into the agent or how about the bomb taking the long way to get to the agent and once it gets there nothing happens. I have a build for any situation and if they all get ruined my clan and I are trashing this game
If unbreakable or perfect unbreakable was still in after they change everything they should make it so it only procs 100% back if you’re playing solo or in the LZE sorta like nomad
I get that roles are fun for some people. But what about the lone wolf? There's a huge number of players like myself that usually plays alone or with randoms. I don't have any friends that play Division 2, and I'm not looking to get on some forum and make strangers into friends. Like many, I have a job and a family, and I just want to log in, shoot some bad guys at 2am, and have some fun. What is this new rework going to do to those of us that have a little of everything? Are you telling me that I can't have a skill build with decent armor and DPS? The way you keep talking, we have to choose one and the rest get neglected, forcing us to team up with other players that focus on other areas.
@@xspindrift8737 Same. I don't raid because I don't have 7 other friends to play with, and I play sporadically. An hour or so here and there. I stay out of the DZ's because I'm not interested in PvPvE, and last I checked, the loot was underrated for the amount of work it required anyway. I have a nice Seeker build with decent damage and good armor. It sounds like they want us to focus on only one area between offensive, defensive, and skill builds and rely on other party members for the other ones.
This change looks so good to me. That way ppl have to pick and choose their battles and players can enjoy their role on the team now. Skills seem like it will be in a good place and hopefully the other skills have a place. Only the hive and seekers being used. I want to use the drone in pvp and it actually makes ppl have to destroy it. We know dps and tank builds won’t have any problem
It sounds like this will become a game for casual players. That's fine, but the academic nature, the thought I had to put into my build, and the work to get it there - that's seemingly all gone. "Follow your intuition" has been said, but here's the thing - sometimes good things are HARD, and it makes them an achievement when you meet the challenge. I liked the academic nature of the game, the complexity and the synergies you had to figure to create. If they don't want the hardcore player base, so be it but don't feed me poop and say it's chocolate ice cream.
I built my agent's gear to a 16/3/4 breakdown. It's a 3/3 Aces/True Patriot combo build with incredibly good damage output, especially since I play a scout sniper build. I am absolutely a glass cannon, even though I still have about 250K armor. No skill power, but I run a Revive Hive (ReHiver, as I like to call it) that I don't need to use too often so the longer recharge time isn't a bother, and the Sharpshooter Specialization Spotter Drone whose special mods don't require skill power. With the Nemesis and Stoner as my primary and secondary, I am capable of putting out some devastating damage, so I can sit back a bit and snap off some wickedly powerful shots, or lay down heavy suppression so my buddy can move in and drop the enemies. I'm very happy with this build, and I would prefer not to recraft it once Gear 2.0 is implemented. That being said, I understand why it has to be done since a lot of players aren't approaching their builds like I have.
Thanks for been more open with the community and really hope as a skill player that you don't mess up skills (couldn't see the electrifying talent on hard wired) because I did not come back to the game until you sorted out the skill power last time
"Not refarming to get to the status quo, we wouldnt do that". But they did that already lol. This team and the way they keep changing things leaves us the consumers with less confidence that they can actually release a good fun game. From the start it felt like they had no forward thinking on how to balance gear and should have learned from D1 and improved on that. Randomization like in D1 make replayability a thing and was fun ( underground ). Survival mode was another good start at more content but needed improvement. They have been dealing with and getting feedback on invisible walls and stuck NPCs since D1 and now finally they think they got a fix for it. If Massive is planning on making a D3, hope they are making a detailed list on all the problems, how they got here, how to fix these things, and not release D3 until it is ready.
Hell no, we don't want Massive to make D3, they really dropped the ball on this game. We need the studio that made D1 to make D3. If Ubisoft is listening, please don't let these knuckleheads make D3.
Dear Massive, I am a MASSIVE fan of this franchise. Given that you've kept it going for The Division 1 until it blossomed and turned into a better/great game compared to it's initial release, I implore you to watch this video @ by Epic Slay3rs as this pretty much sums up all of our concerns for The Division 2 and what we would like to have for it to be even much better. Now TBH Last Stand was more enjoyable for me than the 8-player Raid. It feels like this is a bit of a downgrade. For me, It really doesn't matter if it's a 4-player or an 8-player raid so long as the raid is difficulty-fitted or hard enough for 4 or 8 players. However, in PVP this makes it really challenging in terms of the randomness of the outcome as player count increases. That's why the DZ on TD1 was so good and also Last Stand bec. you have so much freedom and interactivity with other players that you have a potential to really impact the game. You can be the most toxic and villainous rogue player/squad but in the end the player count will deal with that. That's why Battle Royale games work bec. of that interactivity with other players and the randomness of outcomes. Summarized below are the needs for this game to work: 1. PVP-rich content so our hard farmed gears matter. We don't mind you bringing back Last Stand exactly. [Replayability Factor +/Stream-worthy Content which attracts people to try and play +] 2. Bigger DZ period. MASSIVE INTERACTIVITY. 3. Survival PVE/PVP like TD1 period. So much fun to play just like Escape from Tarkov which is BTW storming in to the screens of big time streamers (Dr. Disrespect, Shroud and the likes). I still go back to division 1 to play this but queue takes so long since nobody plays anymore. 4. Just to mention. Don't be confused with MASSIVE online multiplayer with Single Player coupled with some multiplayer content. The Division is all about Agents assembling together and that means all of us, the players. To fully come together we need these 3 things mentioned to be added to TD2 somehow. In conclusion, I've invited my friends to come over and play with me as The Division 2 is on flash sale. We hope to stay and invite more of our friends to play with us. Please make 2020 an even greater year for TD2 with more PVP-rich content with bigger maps. Sincerely and Regards, Vonthedoom P.S. This has been the longest comment I've written. I hope you read it. And also just reached 1k subs. Feel free to check it out. @oom Planning on streaming again. Hopefully TD2.
If you got all things as you want, except the vest and the pack. Do you really just grind backpack and vest mission?! Is this really what you were thinking of? I don't care if I wasted my time by making a fun build until now anymore.
For all of those that are saying "This is f***ed up for hardcore player" "What is going to happen to all my builds?" Yall got to think that the game is not enjoyable in its actual gear system and the meta is trash. I do agree with a change to all the gear, of course there is some stuff that is not ok but as a community we gotta think for the health of the game. Year 1 was and stills being a trash. Like u I'm gonna lose all my original builds cuz I'm not a youtuber's build copy paster but I don't give a damn if that patch will bring back the beautiful essence and fun that Div1 had.
@@juliankonitz9413 Changes are important in a RPG specially if the whole gear mechanics and system are stupid. Since the things were never good in Div2 even when the developers tried hard to make it worth it they didn't make it. That's why changing the whole game gear system is good for this game.
@@fotza188 yeah changes are good for rags but not when you keep changing an important part like gear. The thing is not justbecause of the gear its a flaw in the games design you can't do pve and pvp without thinking things through and balancing it with rng, which these dev haven't figured how to do. People won't keep farming builds over and over they have changed gear 5 times this later update will make six times.
@@juliankonitz9413 Go and play other games bro. Nobody tells you that you can't but you won't find a game like this in any other part and that's sadly a fact.
I know they will keep the talents in all the other piecea but those are going to be active and unique like we have right now. The changes are kinda great tho.
@@fotza188 I know. I'm kinda a talent guy, so to see most of the old talents are gone kinda makes me wish they could have somehow spread the talents out to other pieces. But hey, overall, I love the changes so far
I would like to see more content and not a completely new game. What is being fixed; what was broken; this is the only reason to make changes! It would be great to see the devs put their efforts to create new content! If it's not broken don't fix it! Is the game broken in it's present state?
when your always saying the drops will be what suits your play style then why the hell do i keep getting assult rifles when i mainly use LMG AND SNIPER rifle..and stats for those .you never drop me what i need
Biggest thing i gotta say is well.. Id like to be able to look like a damn tank. I play as one. Only option i have is using demo apparel full costume. That rven doesbt look protected it looks like a football player Wait i like my electrified turret cuz it just looks cool on hardwired. Even if im using negotiators with gila bloodsucker and murkami backpack so i can be a armor bonus monster.
What about all of us that are actually DRAWN to the game BECAUSE of the complexity and the difficulty to make a viable kit? I mean only two talents? The most satisfying part of the build process for me is figuring out how to get 6 talents that synergize i and that are all activated!
I think I just sat on a boston creme donut!!!!! O wait....Nevermind i just watched division 2 state of the game🔥🔥.Lets see what happens you have my attention
Except there isn’t any real creativity. Everyone rolls around with the same weapons and gear all the time. This sounds a lil like you can be more creative in what u put together vs what’s was their previously. Like they said everybody is a hybrid build of the same thing.
I don't roll around with the same build in pve. Just because everyone rolls with the same boring seeker build that they see on KRplus doesn't mean that we all do
That’s crazy that the Devs keep changing everything and continue to change everything for no reason. The main problem with the game at Endgame was RNG. Then players figured out now to one shot Elite NPC’s and beat the main Raid in under 5 mins. even on console so the Devs changed everything again. We didn’t ask for this.. all we wanted was better RNG at Endgame from the game release. Why keep ruining the game with this over thinking nonsense, just fix the RNG!!
They should update the division 1, enlarge the map, place Central Park, place Black Tusk in Manhattan, have legendary raids and Missions with them in the game. Finally, they should increase the size of the DZ and make the friendly fire always active, no matter if the players died because they were on the menu or were referencing, DZ is land without law and without rules, you kill and can be killed, steal items and having your items stolen, that's what makes the division's pvp so good!
Reading all the comments is quite the nightmare.. I'd say we need a PTS with the current state of the new stuff and let people decide if they want it OR if it's really working the way the developers intented it to work. Everything seems different on the whiteboard, different in the testing enviroment, and different in production. If you (the devs) are giving so much tought to how the game could be better, and revising the gear game of a loot based shooter, there should be an open testing phase before everything goes live, so there would be no regrets and rollback needed in the future. If i remember correctly in SOTG #142 you said there won't be a PTS for EP3 and this change comes after EP3, so.. put it on PTS first. For your and our sanity to remain.
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I work over night and just this morning I spent all my sleeping time farming the Lincoln memorial. I honestly feel like this is a slap in the face.
What console do you use?
How do you see anything here as negative. It's such a good change
Mike please explain to me how only 2 talents on your build is a great change?
This is a good changes for players who are not playing right now....But those who are in the game almost every day, who have tested builds and all they can throw in the trash now...So all of the work up to now has been completely useless....thank you, dear guys lol
Manu G. Yes you are absolutely right. I played D2 like 120h and benched it since beginning Q3 19. Because of this stupid gear system all the problems they mentioned in the beginning bothered me. For me these changes sounds good and I plan to play the game after the reboot. But surly it sucks for active players.
Exactly my feelings man!!!
@@marrsil I will continue to play, I need division....its something like my job, you know...anyway, I am sad...cause 10 months there were useless...all my stuff, trust me, very good stuff, is actually the garbage.....something I worked on those long months...In the future they will do what?...we can expect the same..another change of system...then what? Again all our stuff in the trash? Until a new update comes in a month , what to do in the game??? They made me leave the game...Playing before episode 3 is wasted and a waste of time
@@Lintlicker-ls8ne We have to start from the beginning, friend..For all our builds in trash we will get 3 cypher keys as compensation....Who knows what will in a few months
I think that’s fair - it sounds good to me, and has my interest, but I haven’t played for months.
Mind you, there’s a lot more people that stopped playing than stayed with the game...
Wonder how many times they are going to have to rework the systems in the game until they realise that they had finally nailed it with Division 1 by the end.
You or absolutly right, witch this free content they fucking up this game, i rather pey for it to haw good dlc like the last one on the division 1.
I really loved D1. The game was far from perfect, but after Patch 1.6 on a good way. The problem these days with D2, money earning is way more important than deliver a good game. Keep it simple would be a good advice.
When they say new "things" to play, I surely hope there's more content for everyone, including PVE players. I will say this: Division 2 is addicting and insanely fun when there's something to work toward, whether it be some amazing exotic or a certain build type. But once you stop having something to work for, it gets boring fast. Unplayable even. Don't give us some new mission to grind repeatedly. Give us something to build. Something to collect. Something to work for that takes time. I'm not talking about the grindy "hope-it-drops-for-me-this-time" kind of gameplay. I'm talking about fun gameplay that allows us to feel powerful. After all, isn't that what shooting games are all about?
Right! There is no point in playing until these changes take effect so back to uninstall until then.
Player base: "WE WANT MORE LOOT AND WE WANT IT TO BE GOOD!!?"
Devs: "We're gonna change things up to get you more meaningful loot!"
PB: "MERRGGGHHHHH BUT MER CURRENT BUILD MERGGGHHH"
Exactly. Gamers are idiots. They really have no idea what they want. Complete idiots.
Both my chest and backpack have two talents. I guess I'm losing two of them.
One question if I may. What about the base armor value of a piece? The white number I mean.....does that get a quality bar also?? Thanks and again I am very excited to grind again ;) just wish it was coming out NOW ;)
Is there going to be a revamp on the credits also ?? I use the junk loot to get the extra $ for rerolls
Thank you for this information drop. Will we have to wait till E3 for this?
I'll say it. I'm a fan of the Power Point style presentation. Great job!
Mmm... I'm curious about why Thylander spoke about a exotic backpack if there isn't a exotic backpack in the game, so I wonder if he plans on giving us our "nike ninja bag" finally?
Did they say the gear will be reworked (rebooted) meaning if I rolled an attribute to that piece of gear it will go back to what it was? and the gear that I destructed for that roll is gone. not clear on this point.
Was the thunder brought yet?
The thunder must've been brought cuz i certainly see a horrible storm ahead!
Will you be able to roll off your high weapon damage or total armor to the new gear?
Total armor might be gone. Only a rumor.
They are removing armour% LIKE DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS
I'd like to have invaded control points
Bought the game over Christmas got to the black tusk and though the grind is ridiculous and also it's funny how you can add loot crates in and new gear but not fix bugs. Also it took me while doing side missions / story missions 24 hours to find a high end 😐
Just a question WHERE ARE PASSIVE TALENTS ????? And if i understand right u are saying that we should just stop farm until update...
So 2 new missons and 1 exotic is all we get with episode 3 and then by the sound of it months later gear changes.
Yep, no point in playing until then....great thinking.
Not liking talents being on chest and backpack only. Like wtf is happening to my current stuff?!
Thats my question as well...I have 17 builds on 3 characters....all we can ...you know what...
Each part has a talent like tf tbey keep kids up
Gone
What the hell are these folks thinking? Taking the talents off of everything but the vest and pack is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Players have spent hours grinding the DZ to get these so called "perfect" pieces and now they're taking them out of the game altogether. I mean what was the point of even introducing them?
Spot on.
It's Bs.
What a kick in the 🥜 to all the hardcore players that have put in the work 🤬
The funny thing is that they said something about build complexity being there. 2 talents is not complex, being in a role is not complex, builds just being boring is not complex. It just seems like they are just dumbing down the game for stupid uncreative people.
@@jemm225 ...they're making it easier for the newcomers to catch up to us...they got our money..but they want there's too. We look like fools again. It happened in Division 1
I really like what you are trying to archive. I became increasingly more exited with every point you mentioned in your first slide. You are pretty much on point with the things that go wrong (in my opinion). I am hyped to see how this will work ingame once this path is applied. Is there an kind of release date range?
I've spent hours getting 3 different talents to work together on builds and now it goes away in a snap of the fingers. Thanks
Aaron Gossage I feel you bro I recently came back been farming working on builds
Smh, this was not a good decision
8 different talents working together. Though only 5 if you don't count passive ones.
@@Pavisdouble2 yeah but for some it is good.
*Snaps disc*
Lately I have been leaving all loot on the ground. All of it. It's just to overwhelming to try and critically analyze every item, figure out if it's good...is it worth using up my limited inventory space? I just can't be bothered. I am keen to see this new system. Something where I can decide I want to pursue a play style, and easily see whether a gear contributes to that goal.
Even the host seems disappointed .lol
how healthy is the playerbase? haven't seen any numbers and wonder how many are still playing the game. might join back again today after the release of EPISODE 1 and 2 :)
Not sure if I missing something in game but is there currently a way to lock gear like division 1 so you don't delete it accidently ???
mark it as a favorite or as donation
@@_Smile_Today thanks bud
Hey can you guys fix the scopes? The fact that you can't zoom in and out with 1.5x, 2x, 12x; is so absurd.
I can kind of see where build simplification is going but a good chunk of the fun for me has been making the most bugnuts hybrid builds I can that definitely shouldn't work but by some wierd combination factors work really well. You haven't screwed me over yet, I keep coming back and playing more (well, except Conflict. Awesome PvE co-op game, no need for PvP for me. If I want PvP I'll play Siege) so I'll wait and see as well as thrashing the hell out of it when you put it on PTS.
I'm yet to be convinced but I'll wait and see. As well as do my utmost to break how you plan for things to be done to make it work the way I want it to :D
the sheer amount of gear sets, exotics, and the amount of variety builds with healing, tanking, DPS etc was what I loved about div 1. Brand sets as an alternative could also augment this idea. But I think fixing what wasnt too broken was a mistake. Div 1 was its own thing, kinda more diablo then destiny, but with its own flavour. the PVP and DZ was unique, fun. the pvp mode was cool (objective based), survival was very cool. Underground (rifts basically) was PERFECT with the hunters. It had awesome loot, it had hunters, it had difficulty for everyone. You could invest 10-20 mins, or go all out. Resistance was amazing.
I think the dev time on the raids take away from the identity of the game, and it tries to "copy" destiny, wow etc, and as a result I feel it fails because still only a fraction of players actually bother with the raid.
You’re spot on
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Yea, I miss div1.
Well said!! They over thought everything it appears when they created Div 2, when all they needed to do was to tweak a few things here and there.
I think you should be able to recalibrate more than 1 item, i feel it would make it easier to build your gear to your play style and such.
Another thing i would like to see is haveing the ability to carry more than 1 exotics
With only 2 talents your play style won't matter. You will be forced into a role and that role will be boring.
They will never let us recalibrate more than 1 item just like no optimization table it would make too much sense and they're common sense deficient. Its like they take all the bad stuff from the division 1 and none of the good stuff. The reckless talent from the division 1 was only good if you were 1 of those dickheads that shot people in the back in the dark zone as soon as you started taking damage it was useless
LOL. "If you have DTE, that gets converted to some other good damage stat in the process, so..."
Did he just make that up on the spot?
Yes he did good catch...they really thought these changes out.
Literally all good, right up until they showed the full build and solidified the fact that only chests and backpacks will have talents. I feel like the comments started to really shake up the 3 presenters and Hamish I feel was fighting the strong urge to go on DMG control.
I actually like that talents are only on chest and backpack. Then you can build around the talents you chose to define your gameplay. Then it comes down to finding the perfect brandset or gearset that plays around those talents. It also sounds like there will be more talents to choose from, and talents will be more impactful.
Not an issue at all to simplify it to backpack and chest piece, since they are stronger it also makes the decision on which talents to run really important.
More game modes. I need more stuff to do in this game. Loot is garbage but overall there's nothing to do in the game.
worst comment ever, just stop playing and leave the community
@@harrygenitals1474 stop crying. I wasted the same amount of money on this game as you did so I have every right to comment how ever I want. The game is trash you can not deny it.
All they had to do was take TD 1 and add it to TD2 and it would have been MUCH MUCH better.
It the eb getting buff again?
Anybody can tell me if the change on dmg to elites is good or not? And why? I personally think it's a good change
Haven't played the game since raid release was wondering if any body could explain what I've missed .
Will all talents on gear (MASK, KNEE PADS, ETC) be wiped out. By that i mean, NO PERFECT SPOTTER, PERFECT BERSERK ETC. Will all my current builds be unusable.
Or are these new gear pieces in addition to existing gear peices.
The only way to stop devs taking players (we are their f. costumers!!) for granted is to quit playing this game. Devs are supposed to fix bugs, and develop new missions to extend the life cycle of the product/service. Not to piss off their customers. It's clear that Ubisoft and their Devs don't respect players when they make this kind of changes. Most of the players have been looting for hundreds of hours, so players have invested their time in this game and because of that Ubisoft should rethink this coming update. This kind of changes in the game should be designed before the release of the game (march 2019) not now. We (the players) are not the beta testers of Ubisoft or any other videogame company.
When's the new DLC coming out when we go back to New York City for season pass one owners
I like the direction you guys are in developing and transparency and sooner info now.
Also with End of Action reports, everybody always trying to hit the top dps, and sometimes sticky grenading teammates to get this, how many ppl are going to be doing healer, tank, support builds ? The only place i see those builds is with friends and clans running together, but with the annex of players they probably wont be seen much
My biggest thing is, why did you change so much from the last game? There's no underground, dark zone is trash, exotics in D1 were 50x more common than D2. Hell you could even get multiple exotics from vendors back in D1. Why aren't there more vendors? They used to be at every safe house. This seemed very lazy and some things didn't get included because you didn't feel like including it.
We should be able to equip more than 1 exotic then to help compensate these changes
I like the simplicity of the new potential skill system. Imagine 6 Pieces of gear, all with the a possibilty to roll "Skill Teir +1" as their core attribute meaning you'd be sitting at "+6" and at full skill (?) power. Simple but effective way to show it IMHO and after almost 1900 hours of playtime this is the most literally the most excited I've been. Thanks Massive! xoxoxox
Here's my idea for a update
3 new gear sets: one gear set dedicated to the healer support role like it's made for the hive to be bigger more efficient and more heals. A gear set that works like striker from the first division. Hear me out a gear set for ammo grants u and your team way more ammunition so u won't have to restock all the time, and gives ammo buffs Every 3 reloads from fire, explosive, electric.
2 exotics: bring back the big Alejandro from division 1, an exotic chest piece that grants like a defense matrix while shooting
A bigger DZ: cannot stress that enough WE NEED MORE SPACE IN THE DZ
YES YES JUST LIKE DIV 1! and any ammo drop rate pls higher and more so we dont the to open blue box every 10 mins
meh.
You want bigger dz while the current ones do not have enough players? haha
@@Gameplay-jc9gj bigger means more space more players more of an opportunity to go manhunt and farm players
@@TheGamersboy2000 it will also mean lower density (Area to player ratio). I don't want to run 2 km to find someone
Finally! I see the light at the end of the tunnel!
agree
Yes, it’s the off ramp 🤣
How so? So you can make boring trash builds?
Will this game ever come to steam?? Its been almost year.Will epic exclusivity end? Nothing to do with stores itself just that both epic and uplay does not expect my banks card...
We need better and static talents. For some talents there are many confusing conditions. Composure from the video is a good example, easy condition and easy effect to understand. But there are some like: if enemy is affected by X, and nearbies at 10 meters, and the Moon is in conjunction with Saturn, then you'll be lucky... What!? Wait! Could you explain? I almost have no clue if talent is taking effect... It looks like an horoscope from the paper!
So I’m running chest, backpack, and 4 piece gear set
Are they removing clutch? Hope not
Terrell show it’s not on gloves no talents are gloves only chest and backpack
I do appreciate the quality of life change since this part is well overdue. My sentiment and I guess I will continue to harper on is that the objectives still sound PVE driven and oriented. Build creativity comes from harmonizing different talents found in different gear pieces, limiting this to just two simply tells me you guys are again not understanding the End Game and PVP environment. The premise should always be "Bring what you farmed", the limitation of talents is a cop-out way of saying "We don't know how to balance the game". Simplifying the game to cater to the novice player (No offense) does not define the "character" of what made the The Division 1 and 2 franchise wildly successful. Intuitiveness and Creativity are what made this game wildly popular.
You guys already lost 80% of your player base and this is a good way to lose all that is left. Please re-think limiting talents to only Chest and Backpack, plenty of ways to balance the game while still keeping the core talents on each piece.
This is well said, but you are to nice. He literally says in the video in a nice way we are making this for uncreative, boring, and stupid people. With only 2 talents available per build this game will become unimaginative. There is a reason that I've put 66 days into this game, and I bet you at least 30% of it was making up and trying builds. It's the best part of the game. Now is it perfect... No. Changing the brand sets so they are all viable will be nice, but the talents... This is Massive all the way, they always do things in extreme ways. Why not give me 4 talents to work with because I have 8 on most of my builds now and they all work and have synergy. I feel like I'm losing because they figured out they can make more money making this game for stupid, uncreative people.
@@jemm225 My thoughts exactly, limiting talents to only 2 is for NOOBS to put it bluntly. Build creativity that made this game wildly successful is what kept your seasoned and hardcore players from leaving this game. Take that all away and it will be a ghost town in the DZ. More Devs. needs to play this game in the Dark Zone and stop basing everything on server side stats, but actually put in hours and days into it to fully understand how that environment and interaction works. Like you, I have over 1000+ hours in this game and over 500+ hours in the DZ.
agree
Exactly
I agree with everything you said. Limiting to 2 talents is literally catering to the newbies, the talent system isn't that'd hard to understand what makes this game as with any looter is finding the gear with the right stats or talents. Simply limiting talents to chest and back pack is pretty much like slapping the hard core fans in the face. By only making 2 pieces of gear available for talents they are completely watering down what made Div 1 good and that was having a variety of choices to use for different builds. I feel like the way they are going about it will now just make it easier to attain "meta" builds.
Seems like the problem here is down to the fact they are trying to force players into picking a role. They should of thought about this sooner rather then later. Hell they could of added gear sets that has synergy with specialisations but even then I feel like the specialisations at times are very uninspired and not very creative. Specialisations should have a bigger impact on game play and not just feel it's there just as a way to buff your stats up. The last few times I've played td2 I've rarely seen people use their signature weapons
And extented the map, by the way...
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All I heard was “hey y’all, we are going to make all your time and energy in this game meaningless.” For real, screw these incompetent devs. Completely changing the game does nothing for replayability, it just turns people away. Here’s a crazy thought, stop introducing things nobody wants and fix your fucking game.
Agreed. Like just a bar on the the stats to say if its high level would have been enough. Not division 3 mechanics with the same map we played to death already
Agreed
All chest pieces had one main attribute, two minor attributes and a single mod slot and a single talent... Is that universal among chest pieces?
I belive fredrick did confirm this on twitter that each type of gear will have the same amount of attributes along with the core attribute. I think I read that last night
I left the game with TU6... More items, more farming, more rng, I was tired , I knew it was time to take a break. Now I like this incoming changes. Maybe I come back after this changes. As a casual gamer it was frustrating. I have 2 hours or one and a half to play per day, and not every day. I'm 35 years, full-time work, and a newborn daughter... Everytime I connect I have to spend almost 1 hour to inventory management, maybe I can play one mission, two if lucky per day... I ended paying for year 1 pass because it was impossible to me to unlock specializations... I didn't play any pvp mode yet, because I almost hadn't got time to create a pve build, so I never tried to create one for pvp. Pvp and pve should have the same rules, same maths....
I'm not sure about all this weapon damage stuff, because I feel like it really undermines the fundamentals of the game when you wind up with support or tank builds that are wielding nerf guns. At the end of the day it's a cover shooter, so taking cover and shooting must stay relevant even if you build a character who specializes in secondary systems.
Yes sure but on PvP nobody plays like that people just rush you, and with the current system you can be a Jack of all trades tank, dps monster with massive heals, that's not balanced, everyone has a weakness
So, what's the reason playing the game for the next month(s) (!) until this update will drop, as all the grinding now is completely for the trash ?
For fun?
Lol good answer Nory
Months of building my perfect builds just wasted 😭😭
This comment makes no sense. You play a loot game.
the changes are looking good, i just hope that they open the loot pool to the whole game, DZ specific loot is stupid i hate grinding the DZ to get certain items that never drop.
43:06 ..ok sooo they're releasing new content in February (Episode 3) but AREN'T making ANY of these changes talked about here until the patch AFTER that??! What kind of sense does that make? New content to play/grind.. for..umm.. gear? Then change literally everything a month later if we're lucky?! Am I reading this right??! ..so what would be the point of playing now or the new content until they implement all of these huge changes??
Why is the volume during these conversations always so low
Completely fine for me
It's so you can't hear the bullshit there trying to get away with
They said TU6 will be the last time they will make us refarm our gear, after that they won't mess with the gear stats.
They can't even keep their promise.
Seby Cora nope they lie I’m sick of refam
@@wwe2ktv853 yeah same here, especially since theres no new content to farm. It makes me sick to even log into the game.
You’d have to “refarm” for a higher power level anyway...you’re not just going out and getting new gear there’s actually something to climb to
@@BrandoCalrizzien and I would have no problem with that if the game had any F*ing content but as it stands it has the same tired missions from a year ago and after the updatr it will be the same. First they should have given us some content to look forwards too. ATM it makes me sick to even log back in. And why even do it since the gear I'll get will be irrelevant after the update.
Finally this gear mass is going to be cleared up. I was waiting for it from the very beginning like about 4 years!
Are they gonna fix how my character changed his race, color, and facial build since the launch of this game (after just adding tattoos)? Cause that still hasn't been fixed and I'm not making a new character.
So in the world of "The Division" there are only 7 months between NYC and DC, but the agents lost their knowledge about 14 classified gear sets and 31 exotic weapons and gear pieces. The "Div-Tech" was suddenly renamed in "SHD-Tech" and became more or less useless after reaching the endgame. Traders are not even worth visiting, let aside that vendor resets at tuesday mornings is utter bs. I don't even want to start talking about Cassie Mendoza - 24hrs open, then 32 hrs closed wtf, who comes up with such a stupid system?! A lot of hot air in the last nine months, where are the exotics Cassie ought to sell, where are the guardians who should patrol together with the AI, what's wrong with those stupid Stalker Hunters and why do Hunters don't play a bigger role in this game? No Survival Mode. And now you expect us to wait for the gear changes, which come after Episode 3, when - somewhen in the summer, or what? And until then we go on farming that old loot and replay those boring missions over and over again?! And probably you'll come up with a "Year 2 pass" for 40 bucks in march aswell...i paid more than 100 bucks for the ultimate edition because i was a huge fan of Div1 and wanted to support you guys in advance, now after 9 months the same edition got sold for 25 bucks, wow that went down fast. I don't know how you guys can sit there in those livestreams and smile like you came up with a giant blockbuster game...reality check would do you some good.
Very well said.
This game and the devs behind it are a fucking joke this game is the full definition of money wasted
I want them to be doing more events. Expanding the story universe. and release more cool weapons and gear.
Can you please put Heroic on all missions...
Also how about fixing the bugs the game already has before adding new stuff. I have played this game so much and it's frustrating to be killed by an agent because spark won't activate after I put 2 clips into the agent or how about the bomb taking the long way to get to the agent and once it gets there nothing happens. I have a build for any situation and if they all get ruined my clan and I are trashing this game
I feel like you guys are going to mess up my build like you guys do every time when you guys change something in this game
Yeah I know this Mr.J
If unbreakable or perfect unbreakable was still in after they change everything they should make it so it only procs 100% back if you’re playing solo or in the LZE sorta like nomad
agree bro
Haven’t played division 2 yet. Waiting for survival mode.
More Framing why play til all updates are done?
I get that roles are fun for some people. But what about the lone wolf? There's a huge number of players like myself that usually plays alone or with randoms. I don't have any friends that play Division 2, and I'm not looking to get on some forum and make strangers into friends. Like many, I have a job and a family, and I just want to log in, shoot some bad guys at 2am, and have some fun. What is this new rework going to do to those of us that have a little of everything? Are you telling me that I can't have a skill build with decent armor and DPS? The way you keep talking, we have to choose one and the rest get neglected, forcing us to team up with other players that focus on other areas.
Great point.
Yeah, it sounds like their vision of endgame is centered around group play "Raids". Solo players not so much which is sad because I don't Raid.
@@xspindrift8737 Same. I don't raid because I don't have 7 other friends to play with, and I play sporadically. An hour or so here and there. I stay out of the DZ's because I'm not interested in PvPvE, and last I checked, the loot was underrated for the amount of work it required anyway. I have a nice Seeker build with decent damage and good armor. It sounds like they want us to focus on only one area between offensive, defensive, and skill builds and rely on other party members for the other ones.
This change looks so good to me. That way ppl have to pick and choose their battles and players can enjoy their role on the team now. Skills seem like it will be in a good place and hopefully the other skills have a place. Only the hive and seekers being used. I want to use the drone in pvp and it actually makes ppl have to destroy it. We know dps and tank builds won’t have any problem
It sounds like this will become a game for casual players. That's fine, but the academic nature, the thought I had to put into my build, and the work to get it there - that's seemingly all gone. "Follow your intuition" has been said, but here's the thing - sometimes good things are HARD, and it makes them an achievement when you meet the challenge. I liked the academic nature of the game, the complexity and the synergies you had to figure to create. If they don't want the hardcore player base, so be it but don't feed me poop and say it's chocolate ice cream.
not a fan of just giving talents to chest and backpacks... maybe limit the active (not just stat increasing) talents you can have active at a time...
I built my agent's gear to a 16/3/4 breakdown. It's a 3/3 Aces/True Patriot combo build with incredibly good damage output, especially since I play a scout sniper build. I am absolutely a glass cannon, even though I still have about 250K armor. No skill power, but I run a Revive Hive (ReHiver, as I like to call it) that I don't need to use too often so the longer recharge time isn't a bother, and the Sharpshooter Specialization Spotter Drone whose special mods don't require skill power. With the Nemesis and Stoner as my primary and secondary, I am capable of putting out some devastating damage, so I can sit back a bit and snap off some wickedly powerful shots, or lay down heavy suppression so my buddy can move in and drop the enemies. I'm very happy with this build, and I would prefer not to recraft it once Gear 2.0 is implemented. That being said, I understand why it has to be done since a lot of players aren't approaching their builds like I have.
Thanks for been more open with the community and really hope as a skill player that you don't mess up skills (couldn't see the electrifying talent on hard wired) because I did not come back to the game until you sorted out the skill power last time
nothing matters if u don't have new content / replayable content to utilize these changes
This is very distressing news, hopefully it works out better than it seems so far.
"Not refarming to get to the status quo, we wouldnt do that". But they did that already lol. This team and the way they keep changing things leaves us the consumers with less confidence that they can actually release a good fun game. From the start it felt like they had no forward thinking on how to balance gear and should have learned from D1 and improved on that. Randomization like in D1 make replayability a thing and was fun ( underground ). Survival mode was another good start at more content but needed improvement. They have been dealing with and getting feedback on invisible walls and stuck NPCs since D1 and now finally they think they got a fix for it. If Massive is planning on making a D3, hope they are making a detailed list on all the problems, how they got here, how to fix these things, and not release D3 until it is ready.
Hell no, we don't want Massive to make D3, they really dropped the ball on this game. We need the studio that made D1 to make D3. If Ubisoft is listening, please don't let these knuckleheads make D3.
Underground was utterly boring but Survival was awesome :)
i traumatik 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dear Massive,
I am a MASSIVE fan of this franchise. Given that you've kept it going for The Division 1 until it blossomed and turned into a better/great game compared to it's initial release, I implore you to watch this video @ by Epic Slay3rs as this pretty much sums up all of our concerns for The Division 2 and what we would like to have for it to be even much better.
Now TBH Last Stand was more enjoyable for me than the 8-player Raid. It feels like this is a bit of a downgrade. For me, It really doesn't matter if it's a 4-player or an 8-player raid so long as the raid is difficulty-fitted or hard enough for 4 or 8 players. However, in PVP this makes it really challenging in terms of the randomness of the outcome as player count increases. That's why the DZ on TD1 was so good and also Last Stand bec. you have so much freedom and interactivity with other players that you have a potential to really impact the game. You can be the most toxic and villainous rogue player/squad but in the end the player count will deal with that. That's why Battle Royale games work bec. of that interactivity with other players and the randomness of outcomes. Summarized below are the needs for this game to work:
1. PVP-rich content so our hard farmed gears matter. We don't mind you bringing back Last Stand exactly. [Replayability Factor +/Stream-worthy Content which attracts people to try and play +]
2. Bigger DZ period. MASSIVE INTERACTIVITY.
3. Survival PVE/PVP like TD1 period. So much fun to play just like Escape from Tarkov which is BTW storming in to the screens of big time streamers (Dr. Disrespect, Shroud and the likes). I still go back to division 1 to play this but queue takes so long since nobody plays anymore.
4. Just to mention. Don't be confused with MASSIVE online multiplayer with Single Player coupled with some multiplayer content. The Division is all about Agents assembling together and that means all of us, the players. To fully come together we need these 3 things mentioned to be added to TD2 somehow.
In conclusion, I've invited my friends to come over and play with me as The Division 2 is on flash sale. We hope to stay and invite more of our friends to play with us.
Please make 2020 an even greater year for TD2 with more PVP-rich content with bigger maps.
Sincerely and Regards,
Vonthedoom
P.S. This has been the longest comment I've written. I hope you read it. And also just reached 1k subs. Feel free to check it out. @oom
Planning on streaming again. Hopefully TD2.
If you got all things as you want, except the vest and the pack. Do you really just grind backpack and vest mission?! Is this really what you were thinking of? I don't care if I wasted my time by making a fun build until now anymore.
For all of those that are saying "This is f***ed up for hardcore player" "What is going to happen to all my builds?" Yall got to think that the game is not enjoyable in its actual gear system and the meta is trash. I do agree with a change to all the gear, of course there is some stuff that is not ok but as a community we gotta think for the health of the game. Year 1 was and stills being a trash. Like u I'm gonna lose all my original builds cuz I'm not a youtuber's build copy paster but I don't give a damn if that patch will bring back the beautiful essence and fun that Div1 had.
Do you really thing that changes everything is a good idea. They never made it better, i dont trust massive anymore
@@juliankonitz9413 Changes are important in a RPG specially if the whole gear mechanics and system are stupid. Since the things were never good in Div2 even when the developers tried hard to make it worth it they didn't make it. That's why changing the whole game gear system is good for this game.
@@fotza188 yeah changes are good for rags but not when you keep changing an important part like gear. The thing is not justbecause of the gear its a flaw in the games design you can't do pve and pvp without thinking things through and balancing it with rng, which these dev haven't figured how to do. People won't keep farming builds over and over they have changed gear 5 times this later update will make six times.
I Delete this game and never buy anything from massive again.
@@juliankonitz9413 Go and play other games bro. Nobody tells you that you can't but you won't find a game like this in any other part and that's sadly a fact.
no talents on mask, knee, gloves and holster? WTH
I know they will keep the talents in all the other piecea but those are going to be active and unique like we have right now. The changes are kinda great tho.
@@fotza188 I know. I'm kinda a talent guy, so to see most of the old talents are gone kinda makes me wish they could have somehow spread the talents out to other pieces. But hey, overall, I love the changes so far
I would like to see more content and not a completely new game. What is being fixed; what was broken; this is the only reason to make changes! It would be great to see the devs put their efforts to create new content! If it's not broken don't fix it! Is the game broken in it's present state?
Why doesn't Ubisoft do these updates for Breakpoint?
These guys may have set this up on there own and partner up with Ubisoft youtube
It's down to the devs of Breakpoint to do that. Ubisoft publishes.
agreed ! the communication at Ubisoft Paris is awful. That game is in a terrible place right now !
when your always saying the drops will be what suits your play style then why the hell do i keep getting assult rifles when i mainly use LMG AND SNIPER rifle..and stats for those .you never drop me what i need
Biggest thing i gotta say is well.. Id like to be able to look like a damn tank. I play as one. Only option i have is using demo apparel full costume. That rven doesbt look protected it looks like a football player
Wait i like my electrified turret cuz it just looks cool on hardwired. Even if im using negotiators with gila bloodsucker and murkami backpack so i can be a armor bonus monster.
What about all of us that are actually DRAWN to the game BECAUSE of the complexity and the difficulty to make a viable kit? I mean only two talents? The most satisfying part of the build process for me is figuring out how to get 6 talents that synergize i and that are all activated!
I think I just sat on a boston creme donut!!!!! O wait....Nevermind i just watched division 2 state of the game🔥🔥.Lets see what happens you have my attention
Build creativity is DEAD!
That's what I heard.
yap
Except there isn’t any real creativity. Everyone rolls around with the same weapons and gear all the time. This sounds a lil like you can be more creative in what u put together vs what’s was their previously. Like they said everybody is a hybrid build of the same thing.
Reeeeeeeeeeeee!
I don't roll around with the same build in pve. Just because everyone rolls with the same boring seeker build that they see on KRplus doesn't mean that we all do
That’s crazy that the Devs keep changing everything and continue to change everything for no reason. The main problem with the game at Endgame was RNG. Then players figured out now to one shot Elite NPC’s and beat the main Raid in under 5 mins. even on console so the Devs changed everything again. We didn’t ask for this.. all we wanted was better RNG at Endgame from the game release. Why keep ruining the game with this over thinking nonsense, just fix the RNG!!
We need CROSSPLAY!!!
Hell yes !!!
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Still getting "Oh, it crashed" when exit it ... going on for several weeks now with sending crashreport. about time to get that fixed, yes?
@@pippinskillz Nothing like deleting and redownloading 100gb+ of data.
Oh hellllll yes i loved named items, hearing that there will be more is a good sign:))
They should update the division 1, enlarge the map, place Central Park, place Black Tusk in Manhattan, have legendary raids and Missions with them in the game. Finally, they should increase the size of the DZ and make the friendly fire always active, no matter if the players died because they were on the menu or were referencing, DZ is land without law and without rules, you kill and can be killed, steal items and having your items stolen, that's what makes the division's pvp so good!
Reading all the comments is quite the nightmare.. I'd say we need a PTS with the current state of the new stuff and let people decide if they want it OR if it's really working the way the developers intented it to work. Everything seems different on the whiteboard, different in the testing enviroment, and different in production. If you (the devs) are giving so much tought to how the game could be better, and revising the gear game of a loot based shooter, there should be an open testing phase before everything goes live, so there would be no regrets and rollback needed in the future. If i remember correctly in SOTG #142 you said there won't be a PTS for EP3 and this change comes after EP3, so.. put it on PTS first. For your and our sanity to remain.
Optimization station
yes pls