Kyrie left off NBA's Top 75 players list - Skip & Shannon react | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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- The NBA finished unveiling their list of the 75 greatest players in league history and Kevin Durant and James Harden were both included, but their teammate Kyrie Irving was not. Andre Iguodala wasn’t a fan of that decision and took to Twitter to post 'So y’all saying Kyrie Irving ain’t top 75? I agree… he's top 20 at least'. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe share their thoughts on the list and whether Kyrie was snubbed.
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Shanon needs a drug test immediately
I would say it's definitely not 75 players better than Kyrie Irving but accomplishments wise and being the leader of a team that's where I agree he's not a top 75
Kyrie and Dwight over ad and dame
Yo where TF is Brian Scalabrine
Skip talks to much about feelings, same way he disrespected Owens because he doesn’t like him. He is a stereotypical reporter that gets revenge or expresses their jealousy for not being athletic by punishing players they don’t like with their vote. Your emotions do not matter
Dwight absolutely was respected while in Orlando. The only person not liking him then was Shaq 😂
Super facts, shaq prob reason he was left off list.
Even in Houston he was pretty good
@@jeromejohnson25 that doesn't even make sense, shaq doesn't dictate or make the list.
@@jeromejohnson25 I can see that🤣
And Stan Van Gundy😂😂😂
Dwight is the 1st player to win DPOY 3x in a row, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots. Despite him being a role player for a few years now, he's still averaging 12 rebounds for his career.
And he led a team to the finals even tho he lost to prime Kobe. Dwight is really a legend
Also he the youngest nba player to win dpoy
The problem Dwight has against him we can name probably 10 centers that had had better careers, even longer "peaks" Dwight had maybe a 5 year period. But we can name 10 centers who were better for longer.
@V Beard Like who? He accomplished a lot in his short prime and always showed out in the playoffs.
The obvious ones Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, and Shaq. Ewing had a longer peak, David Robinson, Moses Malone, Alonzo Mourning, Hakeem Olajuwan, Dan Issel, Dikembe Mutombo (maybe not in scoring, but blocks and rebounding) all had better careers. Looking at the all time stats list Dwight Howard isn't even in the top 10 in any of them. At least one if not multiple are in the top 10 for points, total rebounds, assists, steals, blocks. You're going to tell me that he deserves to be a top 75 player when he has now played in the league 17 years and isn't even in the top 10 in any category that multiple of these centers I named are? Stop it.
Dwight definitely deserves top 75. 3 time DPOY is unreal.
Most def, there was a period where dwight was the best center in the league, if u played him you knew he was getting 20 points and 15 rebounds no questions
That was 10 years ago . He is not top 75
@@mattsullivan8811 dude 50 of the players played 20 years ago
@@biggboi3932 I spoke without realizing what I was talking about . Thought it was top 75 today . Dwight absolutely top 75 all time
Dwight and T-Mac got shafted. If pistol Pete makes it I don’t want to hear about longevity
Shannon: “he hit a shot-“
Skip: “he hit a BIG shot…”
Skip clowning hard af 🤡
I love how hard Shannon took up for Dwight from the get go.
I mean it’s facts, Dwights prime is iconic and his resume backs it up. Idk how they didn’t put him in there.
Yea cz he was the snub that should've actually made it He was the Top 5 player in the league when he was competing with guys Kobe LeBron D-Wade & CP3
@@g.o.a.t.8168 And not a couple of years ago people were slandering his name, cast out by the Lakers. All when he had his back issues. 🙄
@@g.o.a.t.8168 most likely because he doesn't take basketball seriously and he doesn't love it. You can tell in the years he bounced around that he stopped trying. That's what ousted him from the list.
@@zelgie3013 I think a lot of that was just fans taking sides. Apparently he and Kobe didn't get along much and kobe's fan base is a lot bigger. It didn't come out until later that Dwhite was playing injured most of that season. Similar situation playing with James harden but now the narrative on Harden is the rockets gave him everything he wanted Which is different from the narrative back then.
Dwight averaged a double double in points and rebounds for 13 straight yrs! This is blasphemous.
Not good enough
Multiple DPOY, All NBA 1st Team Defensive Team , He Took a honorable L in the finals to a HUNGRY PRIME KOBE , but to be a 20-25 ppg and 12-15 Rpg guy for like 5-7 years with the accolades and not to mention the BLOCKS . He's TOP 75 BRO
It's sort of outrageous that he didn't make this list.
It's based on who they like. Politics as usual.
You crazy dude was trash after failing in Orlando
Kyrie was dropping huge numbers during that entire Cavs playoff run. He didnt just hit "a shot". He and Lebron both dropped 41pts each in Game 7
Still doesn't justify top 20 or 75 all-time
Still ain’t no top 75🤷♂️
And what has he done since playing with Lebron?
@@Freshbngwtr not a thang
@@ThomasMark-zw3nw The 2018 Celtics were the best time in the East and the only team that was able to be competitve w/ the Warriors in the regular season that year. Curry stated "we'll see them in June" after a game implying a Finals match-up. Kyrie was a top MVP candidate whose scoring numbers had slight dipped but his assists/rebounds went up. He was league leader in defensive rating until his knee injury.
When healthy and fully loaded KD and Kyrie are gonna win titles
Joe Dumars was left off the top 75 greatest players list. A great player and a class act!
Detrooooiiiiiitttt Basket-Baallllllllll
I agree.
Its about who they personally like, not whose best
Yikes, never thought about him but his resume just punched me in the face
Yes, but kyrie is better
Shay really started the segment with "Stop this" 😂😂😂
He only does it every week crazy right 😜
And he was right, Iggy is out his damn mind lol
@@loststoryproductions Kyrie is top 75 though. Hes wrong about that. Him and Dwight.
@@donmike2810 No iggy said TOP 20 and he's most certainly out his mind
He's right though 😂🤣
Imagine having Dwight Howard’s resume and someone telling you your greatest achievement was being a role player for 15 minutes a night
@alexander harvey Skip is old asf
Well technically. He was the more valuable as a role player beside LeBron and AD than he was as the number 1 option. Nothing wrong with that not everyone can be Superman 🤭😉
@@FrankWhite248 he is. He's said many times how good Dwight is and even compared him to Shaq in 2010
I love this segment. Obviously, Shannon wins this one but man Skip 😂 the poker face all throughout the session. That's why almost everybody loves this show.
That ain’t a poker face. It’s Botox.
Kyrie being off the list isn't really surprising, Man has had amazing games, handles for days, but what has he really done in his career other than hit one big shot in the finals?
He was supposed to be on it. They had a video for it. They left him off on purpose
Dwight is not on the list confused me .. took a team to the finals
@@raybandz1109 disrespectful
Score 41 in a game six NBA finals ,be so important that LeBron didn't win the 2015 finals, be the reason for the Brooklyn Nets being the favourites
Um same for dame ???????
Kyrie wasn’t even the biggest snub. It was easily Dwight Howard, he has a better resume than both kyrie and lillard and there’s no argument you can make for either one of them being on the list over Howard
Correct..it's insanity.
Wrong biggest snub is Klay!
You out your mind if you don’t think Kyrie is a better player than Dwight. Media loves diminishing his legacy because they never gave him the accolades, they can never lose because they decide. The actual players know what’s going on. Shannon said Kai was never considered the best pg? Why don’t he ask LeBron in 2016 who he thought the best pg was, he said Kai was the best pg in the league.
@@dreezy1270 Dwight accomplished more
@@amirahmednur1631 kyrie is not better then dwight all time
Dwight howard not being on that list is a travesty
Yea ad made it but not Dwight that’s bad bro
Versatile Wolf Dwight at his peak was a better player
100 percent bro!!! Skips argument being the fact that Dwight was disliked is a joke. This list is about these guys play. Not wether or not they were liked. Insane that Dwight is not on this lost
Travesty or transversty.....? 🤣🤣
@Tong Zou so did Jimmy butler for the heat but he ain't on the list either because that's not how they are picked.
There’s no debate on Dwight being on the list, I feel that even though Kyrie doesn’t have much of a resume, his skills and talents should be more than enough for him to make the list. He is easily the most skilled player in the league; best ball handler, one of the best and most efficient shot creators, incredible ball passing, incredible finishing at the rim, and great one on one defender. But I guess his reputation is that much of a factor in votings and selections 🤷🏻
absolutely terrible take. Dwight howard has a worse reputation and didnt make it either but his resume is so much more stacked than kyrie. Ive been a kyrie fan and think he has the best handles all time but he just hasnt done enough to make top 75. He would make top 100 but I would put Klay Thompson over Kyrie if I had to choose one to make it.
Shannon made a good point about Kyrie making a “big shot” but you can say the same for Dame putting OKC out of the playoffs. But if do the research Kyrie has actually had a better career than Dame but he still made the 75 list. No disrespect to Dame, he’s a great player but he shouldn’t have made this list over Kyrie
No he didn’t Dame made the playoffs more times than kyrie did and hit more clutch shots than kyrie
Kyrie can’t even make the playoffs without another top 5 player… when the East was WEAK. Extremely talented but overrated to me.
@@gandalfhodl8723 no player can make the playoffs without another star
@@jthesnip3r90 it’s not only about clutch shots, kyrie hit probably the most clutch shot of all time
@@Shadow-ox7wv no he didn’t ray Allen did it was a big shot but it was still chances and he’s done nothing since wanting to leave Lebron
Nick Wright made a great point. This meant Dwight Howard would've made the list if he had retired a few years earlier and that makes absolutely no sense. Your greatness shouldn't decrease the longer you stay in the league.
Who cares?? A list vs. giving up millions of dollars to retire early
@@patrick553 and lose out on a championship
yep, a stupid list that doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things or missing out on millions and the experience of a championship. If I'm Dwight I don't care about the list at the end of the day tbh
It does make some sense, the more you play you could ruin or jeopardize your career.
I stopped reading your statement when I read "Nick Wright made a great point".
We all need someone to speak for us the way unc Shay spoke for Dwight in this video.
Speak for yourself 😆
Like he was his dad 😂😂
@@Resist_Oppression Dwight doesn't have a television broadcast 😆
Shannon disrespecting Kyrie. You don't need to bring Kyrie down to say Dwight was snubbed as well. Kyrie was snubbed. Simple.
No he wasn’t he not too 75 stop it😂
Not even better than donovan mitchell😆
Facts Shannon hating on kyrie he was snubbed and he’s top 7 in the NBA easy.
He belong on that list point blank period
@@TrueCarbon Nice bait
I remember how jrue holiday locked Damian lilard up in the second round when AD still played for the Pelicans, nobody never locked kyrie up for a whole series
Kyrie has had a career full of opportunities to show how he can be the first option on a successful team that can advance in the playoffs.
@@cycleoflife565 and he failed time and time again.
@@melanatedgod5337 exactly . when cleveland had chance to win back to back to back championship with bron, kyrie and love but kyrie decided to leave cuz he wanted to be the main man and ended up failing badly with the celtics and now is failing with the nets
Kyrie wasn’t making it to the series😂
@@sparshpandey1450 you didn’t even know the Cavs tried to trade kyrie for Paul George after they won the chip
Shay: "Skiup HE HIT A SHOT!"
Skip: "He's Uncle Drew!"
Me: 🤣🤣
Me: uncle drew play in the nba
Mxm.skip stupid
Yeah Shannon on some kind of drugs
@@johnsondailysports1341 naw you on the drugs
@@rinowatsonkid shut up kyrie top 75 over Curry
The way skip casually said “the late great kobe” …..man… it still doesnt feel real
Sometimes I think about it during Random times “like damn Kobe is really gone”
Almost two years coming up. Still tears me up thinking about it
If feel the same way🥺
Yeah! Same here. It still feels like a bad dream
@@sheltondmello8031 still remember the morning waking up to the news /:
Klay, Manu, & Dwight should have made the 75th anniversary team
Who comes off the list?
@@danielabraham5901 a lot of them old players
And tony Parker
Bruh ain’t no way Kyrie not a top 75 basketball player you know what he would do to nba players in the 70’s 80’s
I'm gonna take this time to appreciate the fact that Dwight Howard is actually an NBA champion. Always wanted him to win one but didn't think he ever was until he joined the Lakers
"soft" - bean
@@Thiiink 😂 bean a 🐐
Dwight flamed out while he was still in his 20s,,, no he does not belong there.
@@mikesolo5747 thank you.
@@mikesolo5747 you trippin
Dwight should be in there instead of AD. Dwight was the best big man in his peak years. In 2008-2009 season, he was the league leader in rebounds and blocks while averaging 20 ppg. He was the DPOY and an mvp candidate that season. He also led orlando to the finals after beating lebron's cavs.
Dwight was mentioned for half a decade as a candidate for "if you had a choice to build a team around any one player, who would it be?". For half a decade, or more. Add in a long post-prime career in which he still added a championship and stats, there's no way he should have been left off. 3 time dpoy, led leagues in rebounds, blocks, led a lackluster team past lebron.. the only explanation i have is he is a victim of playing in a time that big men were being valued less, and Lebron-Kobe-Dirk-Duncan-Wade were all regarded as better overall players during his peak, for the most part, and he got less attention as a game changing superstar.
I literally just said something similar!! Straight facts! AD by now should have been the top dog or close to it!! Giannis makes AD look like a baby!!!
Replace him with Dame
Lol.
Truth though..AD needs that guy...guess he gets in becos he still that rare talent 👏👏😒😒😒😒😑😑😑
I didn’t even realize AD was on the list. That’s just dumb.
Kyrie is top 50 . even Iverson said he has the best handles of all time and has a nasty jumper
Lay off the drugs.
@@jonathansykes4986 he not lying
@@jonathansykes4986 kyrie most skilled player this generation ever seen
@@zamorant9129 you spelled Lebron James name wrong.
Kyrie Irving
1.Drafted 1st overall
2.Rookie of the year
3.hit one of the most clutch shots in nba history / nba finals history
4. Nba champion
5. Arguably the best handle in history
6. Arguably best finisher under the basket in history
7. He’s In the 50/40/90 club there are only 10 players in that club 9 in the nba and 1 in the wnba
8. Arguably top 3 most skilled players ever
This stuff probably doesn’t count but I’ll say it any way. 2 Olympic gold medals/ an all star game mvp/ a three point contest winner
And ps don’t quote me on this but I believe he is the only player ever to record 50 points with over 80% shooting in a game
I think he’s top 75 for sure
getting drafted 1st overall doesn’t even make you top 500. Look at Anthony Bennet
i can put kyrie around 90-100 ..
not greater than ...
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Mcadoo
3. Dwight Howard
4. Klay Thompson
5. Manu Bol
6. Tony Parker
7. Ray Alle
8. Jason Kidd
9. Granger ( indiana days)
10. Manu Ginobili .
Kyrie 0 MVPs 0 1st All NBA Teams 0 FMVPs 0 Scoring titles 0 1st team all defense
@@Sebastianismo cap
@@Sebastianismo u just put klay over kyrie wtf
Dwight stop the “Dream Finals” with Lebron vs Kobe.
LeBron wouldn't have even got a game against the Lakers that year his team was terrible
@@vft5593 lol
@@diegobromfield it's true lol
@@vft5593 Lol yeah who was his best team mate? Anderson Verijao? Drew Gooden?
🤣
@@JimmyTowz I think it was mo Williams Daniel Gibson delontae west and old ilgauskas and varejao that would've got washed magic were way better it wouldn't have been lebron's fight 😂😂
Iggy is still having flashbacks of the 2016 finals 😂😂
He got his “ get back” with 2 more rings right after😭😂.
Best block of all time
GOTDAMN FR 😂😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😅😂😂🤣😂
@@dr.bunchungus2976 do you think iggy feels a way about how they did it looooool
Idk if anyone else sees it but the amount of love Skip has for Shannon. Everytime Shannon goes off...idk looks like he loves it.
You have Westbrook, Dame Lillard and AD on this list.
What an awful 75 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love how skip argues about dwight losing respect...
kyrie literally takes vacations from basketball
the dude has 0 commitment
Don’t forget Kyries leadership in Boston 🗑
@@jasonn2284 and that showed everyone that he is not a leader and I’m a fan of Kyrie but even I can say he’s not a good leader and that’s okay. Dwight should’ve gotten on this list.
@@jasonn2284 And look at boston rn, they're still trash lol quit hating
@@s1l453 Trash or not, as a leader you can decide that you want to be part of the solution. Non-leaders are okay with being a part of the problem.
@@jasonn2284 gordon hayward and brad stevens messed up the celtics.
2013-2019 when Dwight was “no good” anymore
16pts 12rbs on 59%FG
His “bad years” are better than most centers peak.
He was still pretty good in 13-14 too. But yea at his worst, he was definitely better than a lot of guy’s prime
people just do not like him it’s as simple as that . in his prime he was as impressive defensively as you’ll ever see but he just doesn’t have the reputation of the others that made the list which is sad . there is no real point in debating whether he should of made it , when he has Terrell Owens syndrome (he also doesn’t get the respect he deserves)
16 and 12 makes ur one of the 75 greatest players of all time? those seem like all star numbers but not all time.....
@@kmuz08 Add his resume and tell me he’s just an all-star
@@kmuz08 not all of the top 75 were even superstars and many had steep fall offs... at least Dwight stayed relevant during is decline.
Kyrie has led teams to 12th place in the east, while dwight led them to a finals as the only superstar, something 10 of these other players couldnt.
What year was it 09 when he beat lebron and played Kobe in the finals
@@johnspidell2853 yeah he spoiled the lebron kobe dream finals
How did dwight lead the team when the magic were known for there 3 point threat. You act like the magic only had howard, they had Turkoglu, R. Lewis, Marion, Redick, they had premier players to back howard up. If it wasnt for them and their shotmaking abilities, howard wouldnt be as relevant
@@AgentWK Did u watch any of the games? He was the reason they were open. He was the focus he was such a big threat on the pick and roll and he would get doubled on his post ups as well. He was also the most dominant force on defense during his prime and every team has role players, super stars just have the ability to make them "premier" (nash gortat, LBJ mozgov, paul ayton, etc.) something kyrie couldnt do. Dwight made his roleplayer better and literally carried them on defense, thats why he was 3x DPOY.
@@MrGuapz What im saying is Dwight didnt do it alone in the Magic like other superstars like Lebron in Cleveland who has proven to singlehandedly carry a team. Dwight had like I said, Turkoglu, Lewis, Marion, Redick, etc. If it wasnt for those contributing pieces, he wouldn't have made it as far as he did and vice-verca. Also Kyrie simply havent found the perfect fit in a team yet. His best bet was in Cleveland with Lebron. Nobody wins a championship alone unless your as talented as Lebron or Jordan so people cant be saying Dwight carried that Magic team. He was the best player in the team, but by no means did he lead(carry) the team. He needed those 3 point shotmakers as much as those shotmakers needed him
Love when they debate about things they partially agree on
If Carmelo made it Dwight should definitely be on there.
Melo had a longer prime - no major awards but outside of Lebron was the best SF for a period.
@@ManifestingProsperity718 fam, no major awards alone can justify melo not making it over dwight. he was never the best at anything while dwight was the best defensive big for like 5 years, could score. AND he led his team to an NBA finals lol.
@@leersan1679 with that argument Derrick Rose should have made the team. Sustained performance matters. If I’m an all star for 15 years and your a all star for 6 with an MVP did you have a better career? You can’t tell me Melo wasn’t the 2nd best SF for a good stretch without hating
Case in point Chris Paul making it, can’t fault Melo for fighting in the west with dynasties like the lakers and spurs
@@ManifestingProsperity718 lets stay focused on dwight and melo bc thats who we’re talking about and its pretty easy to see this. melo has ten all star appearances to dwight’s eight. dwight has 5 all nba first teams to melo 0. 3x DPOY and 4x all defensive first team on top of winning the dunk contest, leading the league in rebounds for 5 years and leading in blocks for 2 years. melo has a scoring title and that’s it. I don’t think anything else has to be said, he shouldn’t have made it over dwight period lol.
Dame making it over Dwight is blasphemous
Exactly 💯
They don’t know basketball
DAME?!? is on the list? But not Kyrie. No wonder this is a topic
Yes Howard should be up there but dame too 🤷🏿♂️
@@bob_skeever3634 Skip hates Dame
As someone from Orlando, as a kid in middle school all I would see is Dwight Howard, he was easily the most famous athlete in Orlando…
Kyrie the dark wizard of basketball should be in 75 all time. Period.
Stop it. He's not even a top 20 guard of all time. He's not even a top 5 guard in his era.
Dwight was left off and he's had a way better career than Kyrie.
Has*
That’s true, way higher high end and way lower low end. But I’d still add him over most players left off.
@@govincisutanes7962 lol “he’s had” simply means up and until this point. Your little correction makes no sense.
Far better career than Kyrie & Dame
A better career than Dame too, and I really like Dame.
Shannon absolutely killed it. Spoke facts the whole video 💯
What facts.. he gave some stupid opinions.
Spoke like a idiot. Kyrie won labitch a ring
@@jnorth5689 No he didn't. He had it right. Kyrie won LeBron a ring. But Shannon was not wrong here.
Not facts at all
Spoke facts about Dwight making the list, no doubt he should’ve been there… but let’s not go around saying peak Dwight was better than peak Pat Ewing!
I can’t believe I can no longer take anything Shannon say serious anymore
Kyrie’s clutch shot over Steph back in Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals was the most clutch shot ever
bruh, I hope you didn't forget ray allen's clutch 3-pointer against the spurs
eemmm nah
YES I AGREE THAT SHOT IS MEMORABLE KYRIE WON THAT FINALS "NO KYRIE NO CHIP"
+SHANNON NEEDS TO GET OFF HIS VOLUPTUOUS MAN CRUSH
IF IT AIN'T LEBRON IT'S DWIGHT
WHO DOESN'T BELONG ON THE LIST"DWIGHT BETTER 5HAM REGGIE MILLER"
WHAT SHANNON REALLY MEANT
WAS BETTER BODY IN HIS EYES
"F.O.H"
Don't forget Kawhi's shot against Philadelphia in 2019
@@larrywashington946 what has Cryie Irving done since then=0!!!😂😂😂
In my opinion the list should be all time top 15 at each position which would make 75 players. Which makes it a lot easier.
I get what you're saying and I like the logic behind it. but it can become a bit confusing because some players play more than one position, the positions themselves evolve over time and things like that...
That wouldn’t make sense. The 16th best PG could be a greater player than the 14th best C.
@@jameswamba4338yeah...agreed!
@@jameswamba4338 not just that. The SG position is by far worse than the rest. The 15th best SG would not belong in that group
That wouldn't work this is the best of the best like p4p in boxing not division rankings
Does anyone remember in 2010 when ESPN held a poll about who would you start a team around Bron or Dwight? And they were neck and neck. I’m really shocked Dwight didn’t make it
Good thing they didn't go build a team around and all-star caliber player...Dwight in my book was a good defender....and that's it
@@kevinfreeman29 He was THE definition of defense back in the day. Like someone else said in these comments, literally the only person who didn't appreciate Howard's dominance was Shaq
@@kevinfreeman29 Good thing nobody read that book …
It was around that time when Phil Jackson said the 1 player he’d select to begin a franchise with was Dwight
Anyone who voted for Dwight was sadly mistaken
I agree with you Shannon 🔥🔥🔥
I actually agree with Shannon.. wow
Even though Dwight Howard did end up falling off in the mid 2010s, he was still a productive player until 2018.
He’s still very effective
He’s one of the reasons Lakers won last year! He’s still productive
And that was because of trying to play through a bad injury. Wish he would have sat out instead of trying to fit into the fickle Lakers culture. Their fans never appreciated it.
Shannon said you might as well put “SKIP TO MY LOU” in there 😂😂😂 I’m dead
That and Skip Stopppppp took me out 🤣🤣🤣
Jamal Crawford probably and Skip to my Lou have the greatest all time handles
How about now??? Only 2 other players reached 40 points at the half ever…But At 6’2” my guy…
Dropped 60 on they head. 0 flaws offensively whatsoever
The Kobe Bryant curse if there's one person Kobe Bryant hated that was Dwight Howard. It's all politics.They DIDN'T want Vanessa bayant in the same building as Dwight Howard
I’m with Shannon, hands down the biggest snub & imo the only snub was Dwight Howard. Dwight was a top 3-5 player for 5 years, it’s just facts. Beat lebron & went to the finals. Beast in Orlando.
You need more than 5 good years to be considered one of the best of an era
@@roycedot he was top 5 for 5 years. he was top 10 for several years.
@@roycedot Dame made the list while having less accomplishments than Dwight though. Nobody's ever considered Dame to be the best at his position. Dwight got snubbed.
@@BlkStar99 dame's also never made it to the finals.
@@roycedot to be considered the best of an era? Sure. But to be considered one of the best basketball players of all time? I don't think the amount of years you were great should be a deciding factor for that
I agree Shannon, Dwight is more deserving than even AD
Agreed, Dwight Howard has a far better career than AD.
Facts
Dwight had a better peak than Patrick Ewing because he was literally the only dominant big man in his era.
Not his fault. And tim Duncan, dirk nowitzki, and kg weren't scrubs either. Thay all made the list too and played against Dwight.
@@kcrossover4267 I hear you but all Power Forwards, Dwight is a Center and didn’t really matchup with them and even then they are all better than Dwight if we are comparing him to them
@@PardonMyGenius they were still dominant "big men". Dwight had plenty of competition. And you don't win three dpoy on accident.
@@kcrossover4267 When Ewing was playing. Every night he was playing against a better center than Dwight has ever played against…. Whether it was Shaq or Hakeem or David Robinson or Alonzo or Dikembe or Brad Daughterty or Rik Smits. Or an older Kareem or a young Ralph Sampson or Kevin Duckworth or a Bill Lambeer or an older Robert Parrish. Do you get what I’m saying? Dwight was never Patrick Ewing. He never had the offensive game that Patrick had. And Ewing’s first 7 years in the league, he was also a defensive force. But he was playing against two of the top three defensive centers to ever play (Mutombo, Olajuwon). Dwight would not have 3 defensive player of the year awards in a row, if he were playing in the late 80’s through the 90’s
Shannon is straight up nuts saying "Howard is better than Ewing"
Pat was good for 24/11 every year for 10 years.. 20/10 career in the playoffs.. And Pat was a warrior playing through injuries and a great competitor. Howard has no real offensive game to speak of.. He just wanted to dunk the ball.. No post moves or jump shot.. His main prowess was his great D and rebounding, but the highest scoring season he ever had was 22.9.. 12 of his 17 seasons he is under 20 PPG.. Ewing scored over 20 PPG 13 times..
Dwight being left on this list is the same as T.O. being left off first ballet hall of fame exactly why media should not be voters because they don't know sports
Wrong…. TO snub is far worse
The voters were a a mix of media, current and former players, coaches and team executives
@@dcgrace320 by far worse but Same exact situation
If wasn’t just Media or it wasn’t the media at all. One of them
Kyrie? What a Joke. The real snub was Dwight. Some How AD with a worse resume was put on the team instead of Dwight. Ridiculous
And klay
They got Dame on this list bruh
Oh my god. I can't believe people actually think AD shouldn't be in. This is a guy that has had multiple mvp level seasons, was arguably the mvp in 1 or 2 of them, he is also one of the best defenders of all time and can defend 1-5, was the mvp of the playoffs in 2019/20 (not the finals), has been an All-star throughout his career and has a ring now too. AD should make a top 50 team without a doubt. He is a unicorn and one of the most special players ever
@@govincisutanes7962 Klay is not a top 75 player of all time. I don't know why people think this. If you replace Klay with AD New Orleans never makes the playoffs with Klay instead of AD. Klay is the perfect number 2 but AD is a way better number 1 option.
Fun fact: AD has averaged 20+ points in every single season except his rookie year, 24+ in every single one of those except his second season and last season, 27+ ppg in every single playoff seasons except last season where he was haunted by injuries, has 8 all-star appearances in 9 season and this year will be his 10th, has two all NBA defensive (robbery and should have been way more) and has four all nba appearances. You know nothing about basketball if you don't think AD belongs with the best ever. He will retire with one of the best ever resumes.
Look at how he has switched up after this shot against Denver 😂🤣😂 keep that same energy
Kyrie average 28 ppg in the finals, most guys on that list didn't do that
Nah bruh he's had no success without lebron james, who's a top 2 player of all time
@@kofi6239 bru he has had success are u dumb
Dwight on that stretch of 5 years, was neck and neck with lebron in terms of status and popularity. They were both in the McDonald's commercial. He was the best center in the league and top 5 player. Should be easily in this 75th team.
Man he would give you 20 and 15 that’s insane in the 2000 with 2blks
Bro he was great. I'll give you that but by no means was he neck and neck with Lebron in popularity. He was complaining about Lebron commercials being played too much during his finals run because his team out Lebron out. Does that even remotely seem like he is as popular.
CAP
Lmao
@@quentin6233 Nah Dwight was really up there. That back injury, changed him forever though. He'll even Melo was considered better then Lebron at one point and he was!
As a Magic fan I hate how Dwight left but he was undeniably great in his prime, ESPECIALLY on defense.
He should replace Bill Walton who shouldn’t be in there
@@DavidGarcia-on9gn bill Walton led his team to a championship Dwight led them to the finals but lost you get remembered for winning!
@@josephlopez4661 But theres a ton of guys who aren't champions on that list
Man was blocking everything in the paint for them like 5-6 years. Won a dunk contest or 2 and dunked on a 12 foot goal. They disrespect this man because of his sexuality lol
@@josephlopez4661 i understand he won but his career highlights are based on 2 and 1/2 years of very high level basketball. Dwight has 7 or maybe even 8 years at a similar level. He got so disrespected
Missing:
Penny Hardway, Vince Carter, Tracy Mcgrady
Tony Parker, Klay Thompson, Nikola Jokic, Dwight Howard, Earl Monroe, Paul Gasol, Kyrie Irving!
Off the list:
Wes Unseld, Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkins, Pete Maravich, Billy Cunningham, Jerry Lucas, Dave Debusschere, Dolph Schayes, Paul Pears and Carmelo Anthony
Dwight had 5 great years from 2007-2011 where he averaged 20 points and 13 rebounds he went down hill after that, but if u gonna put Reggie Miller on there so I guess Howard should make it as well. Just saying
The Magic were a legit team with Dwight. Dwight is an All Time Defensive Player for sure.
That year I wanted to play LeBron if Dwight could've put up like 30 points up a game or even like 27 a game they would have won probably they had rashard lewis hedo and nelson I liked that team a lot but I think he got left off cause he was left off cause he didn't have All pros as much and there's players who have hella rings in the 50s and all pros but there was 11 teams in the league so it's not fair
I’m with Shannon 10000000000000% on this bro, they tried Dwight Howard. That men was a beast in his prime coming from a laker fan. We all know they just don’t like him, that list is a joke
Skip on Dwight Howard thinking he's a Metalark Lemon took me OUT 7:32 😂😂⚰️⚰️ I'm sorry 🤣
Damn if Skip doesn’t remember that man he must’ve played in the late 40s/early 50s lol
AD shouldn’t be on there over Dwight
Dwight shoulda been on the list but give me AD as a player over Dwight. They both shoulda made it.
AD’s ability is unmatched at his height and position.. he has to be there
I agree 💯
@@datsapaddlin I’d rather take Prime Dwight over AD
I agree with you. AD is no where near as dominant as Dwight was at his peak.
Tony Parker should be on there. He one of the greatest ever at laying the ball up. Incredible finisher. Coming from a Lakers fan.
Without a doubt end of the day game recognize game and he definitely got rob
That's so true
If you’re make a case for him, him being a great finisher doesn’t really help it.
And Westbrick was there! Muricans are biased as always. 🤷♂️
@@mahirwemoses8007 exactly he gotta say a little more than that cause kyrie a better finisher
if Patrick Ewing is included in the top 75 list, then you should also put Dwight there.
Patrick Ewing was surely a better player than Dwight Howard. Ewing carried the Knicks in the 90s and would have won multiple championships if it wasn’t for Air Jordan.
“Outside of LeBron James, what is Kyrie Irvin?”
Wow, never thought I’d hear this coming from Shannon. Tough crowd.
It’s true. Did nothing in Boston and now Brooklyn always some drama
@@dannysweeney8765 facts. Skip just finds a way to hate Dame Dolla too. Ain't no way a majority of NBA players taking Kyrie over Dame
Yeah Shannon a little bitter with that one. And I love Shannon lol.
@@Baconeggncheese14 agree
Nah Kyrie is a great player. If Lebron didn't have Kyrie during that run then they would have won the Chip. It's simple! It's a team sport... I'm a Lebron fan but this thing that he makes players better is all lies. He makes teams better not the players. Kyrie never changed his game when Lebron came in lol. Like he been ballin! They got some new teammates as well.. These narratives are wild, this is why people think Jordan was the best. But I might say Jordan was mountrishmore great. So I don't mind that argument. But these analysis and fans do not watch the games. How can people not put Kyrie next to Curry when he's schooled Curry multiple times and he's more unguardable than Curry lol. And he's shoots the 3 pretty great while contested versus Curry who needs a little more space at times. Like do people watch the games? I'm not biased, these are simple breakdowns. Championships can't be a factor when deciding the best "individual" players. Come on man! I feel like I could be a better analysis than these mofos.
This is one of the few times that I agree with Shannon. Resume-wise, Dwight has a more compelling argument than Dame, Melo, and AD. He was a franchise player who took nobodies to a Finals, while demolishing the Big 3 Celtics and Lebron-led Cavs along the way.
@Daren Avestruz Took nobodies to the finals? That's a very manipulative statement to make. Like I get it. Do ppl look back and remember Hedo, Jameer nelsin and Rashard Lewis? Probably not. But Hedo and Rashard were huge against Cleveland. Dwight didn't make those clutch plays down the stretch. Rashard Lewis was an all star on Seattle and could really contribute to the team. Hedo won most inproved player the year b4 they made the finals. Snd he showed that year why he deserved that award I just don't think it's fair to say he took a bunch of nobodys to the finals.
You know who also has a more compelling argument than Melo? Manu, because he gave Melo a bronze medal in '04.
@@ursula3438 Tony Parker has a more compelling case over Manu
@@rockmorales I agree, TP should have made the list.
I usually agree except lebron
"Skip, STOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!" 😆
Yes Dwight was the dominant big man during his prime, but don’t disrespect Reggie like that. Reggie was a killer during his days. Also kyrie is good, but there’s no way I’d replace Dame with Kyrie.
Reggie has 5 all star appearances. Dwight has 8. Reggie was never the best at his position. Dwight was the best center for 5 straight. Also the best defender 4 year straight. Dwight took scrubs to the finals.
@@SoFantasticWonderful Never the best in his position???? Jordan was the best in his position.. the greatest player ever. Who cares if Dwight was the greatest center, in an era with no centers.. lol If he played in Reggie’s era, he would’ve been dominated by Olajuwon and Shaq and Robinson and Ewing, and Mutombo and even Rik Smits would’ve given him problems. Dwight’s era helps him a lot.
I love how Skip is telling Shannon how “players” would react
Shannon was football not basketball so they are both spectators here.
@@yomammasboo713 players are players… must not know too many of those do you?
@@sheraldhill2728 as much as I agree with u… Dynamics are a bit different
@@sheraldhill2728 yeah nah bro that’s like saying “doctors are still doctors”. I still don’t want a dentist performing heart surgery you feel me?
@@theallknowingtreestump every sport has a different culture both in game in the locker room but okay. You mean to tell me a professional bowler can relate to what a professional football player goes through? It’s not as simple as “he’s in a sport he knows how it goes” because he’s not in that sport lmao
AD and Lillard absolutely should not been added to the list over Vince Carter, Mutombo, and Dwight
Tmac too
Vc was good but not better than Ad as a player... don’t let the flashy dunks blind you.
Bro, he literally made basketball relevant in Canada. And a prime Carter was arguably one of the best players to see. Dude was amazing.
@@notcoolkev3770 tmac was constantly hurt.
Ad being there was a joke
No way Lillard over Kyrie... But I feel the Dwight Howard argument
What about David Thompson aka "The Skywalker"?? He gets forgotten so often but only TRUE basketball fans and the legends know who David Thompson was as a player. He was absolutely unstoppable as a player. He had a complete game...pullups, mid-range, first step, finishing above the rim. He needs to be on this list!!
Weren't Stephen A and Skip debating top 5 back in '10, pretty sure Skip said he'd take both Melo and Dwight over LeBron.
The one season melo avg 28😆, he really should be on the list either
He did.
Stop being ridiculous you just proved to me you don’t know a damn thing about basketball this is not really debatable go play checkers
Lmao... he removes Dame for the same reason he commends Reggie. Knock Dwight for not being respected by his peers, fully dismiss how much Dame is loved and respected by his peers.
Let’s be honest Dame did not have that much impact in the game as Reggie 😄
@@prasan7th One conference finals ever? Other than being a Knick killer, he's one of the most overrated players ever.
Kyrie definitely above them both
I agree with Skip in that Dwight never took basketball seriously but Kyrie will literally take vacations in the middle of the season because his feelings got hurt oh and won’t tell anyone that he’s leaving. Not his coach, owner, even own teammates, he just dips. Where they do that at!?
Something wrong w skip he contradict his self all the time
"Everyone's not gonna be respected and liked" obviously speaking for his nephew LeBron. However respect by your fellow teammates and players matters a ton, especially when they are the ones voting for placement.
But Lebron is both respected and liked I don’t understand.
DRose should be on this list. The man has an MVP and was seen as one of the best players in the league when he was in Chicago.
I'd definitely have Rose over Howard.
Too much recency bias. The old players don’t get enough love. I’m fine with Kyrie being left off.
And what’s the criteria? He has a better resume than some players on the list, superior skillset, and better regular + advanced statistics.
@@worldtree2027 different eras, not fair to compare somebody now to somebody 20 years ago, the rules were different on defense for example.
Today's players are a lot better than the 50's, 60's players for example.
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That’s true but they compared enough to give the advantage to older players, so I think relative to era placement Kyrie could definitely make a solid case.
You have to judge players by the era's they played in, way too much disrespect to the old timers. I'm glad the NBA kept the old timers on there, otherwise we'd have too much recency bias going on, mfers will put Kyrie over Walt Frazier
Tony parker not making the list is the biggest disrespect
Tony and Dwight Howard are the biggest snubs
Manu also. He doesn't have the numbers because he was a 6th man, but who was more clutch? Always showed up in the playoffs
@@Ne1lcul kobe would put manu on that list
@@Ne1lcul not being a starter shouldnt matter it's about Impact
@@kingeffet6349 that's what I'm saying. And playoffs and championships should weigh more than regular season numbers
He should have been left off the list, but leaving Tracy McGrady off the list is just Foul!!!
I think if you’re gonna compare Reggie and Dwight the biggest question I can ask is who was feared more. I think overall teams feared Indiana in playoff series, but individually Dwight Howard was feared more in my mind. Dwight Howard was a matchup nightmare in that five or six year stretch. It’s hard for me to put him in front of Reggie though simply bc he was one of the best marksman of all time. He was the definition of a clutch 3 pt shooter. At the end of the day(though I’m sure players get agitated) it’s just a list.
I'm shocked Skip doesn't believe Dwight missing is a big deal. I'm losing respect for this dude now. How could he make an argument for Kyrie over Dwight😒
You’re losing respect for him now? It took you this long to realize this man makes no sense?
@@tiagosantana6669 skip says alot of delusional crazy stuff especially about Bron but he is definitely respected by his viewers thats cap if you say they dont respect him he started this type of sports media
Skip walks into that studio and says things to shake things up deliberatly , he a real troll but i think he actually believes his delusions
@@tiagosantana6669 it seems you're new watching the show...skip the goofiest sport analyst of all time
@@creamo2972 Lmfaoo you're insane Skip is a joke. Ppl literally skip his part when he starts talking
Howard didn’t take basketball serious, but look at his numbers… I wanna kno if he did take it serious…
Sheesh. That would’ve been legendary.
kyrie as skilled as he is handling the ball he is just too good at dribbling the ball with all the combos and counters for all his moves and finish at the rim is next level not gonna lie I really like that alot
As others have said, Kyrie is constantly prioritizing other aspects besides basketball. Depending on how this year goes, he might not even play in a single game. Couple that he is getting injured a lot so no, despite his "potential" to be a top 75 player, he doesn't play enough to actually warrant him getting on that list.
I love that unc is putting respect on Dwight's name. He deserves his flowers. Was definitely dominant. I couldn't tell you who the 2nd best center was in the east side at the that time. Joakim noah...?? Lmao
Lol yea it was definitely Noah
Gasols
@@ljpal18 he said "2nd best center in the east"...
@@jameswamba4338 gotcha. Al horford.
Amare Stoudemire on the Knicks is a debate, he was averaging like 25 and 9. Howard averaged 22 and 14 in 2010
Also skip, Dwight howard has only been a role player for the later part of his career. He was the main offensive and defensive player for those Orlando teams don't do that skip
Plus aint melo a role player now? What’s his point
@Frank P well when you look at the accolades I get you
Dwight hasn't been the main option since 2012. He was only 27 that year. He exited his prime before 30.
He deserved to be left off.
@@redpillfreedom6692 he was hurt a lot after that and even then his resume is in fact better than dames
@@jasonhogan9320
Yeah that's precisely my point. He's spent the bulk of his career not being a superstar.
Talent-wise, Kyrie is probably top 10 all-time:
- True ARTIST with the basketball
- Incredibly quick
- Unpredictable, keeps changing pace
- Good passer, not a turnover machine
- Might have the best handles in history
- Can turn into an unstoppable scorer
- Shot-maker from anywhere, including very tough shots
- Clutch
- Infinite bag, can finish in every way
- Defensively quick hands & feet, high IQ, physical
Despite all that, Kyrie is barely top 75. Why? Time has shown he ain't reliable. It's always something : injured, unhappy or simply his mind clearly not on basketball. Doesn't care enough about playing and winning. Barely top 75.
Do you know where new tab 75 what do you mean barely. His game is pleasing to the eye but forget all of that Lets pull the flat earther’s stat sheet and take a look at that.
He’s nowhere near top 75.
Kyrie is all Hype. Best Handles? Lmao
I mean skip ruined his own point by saying Dwight doesn't take basketball seriously. Man Kyrie said it himself that he doesn't take basketball seriously
Absolutely no way to have a legit. 75 list without Dwight
Derrick Matthews You clearly don't know much about NBA history
@@christiansoldier77 u really think half of the list was better than Dwight in his prime
@@Guccimane0713 Pretty much everyone on list is better than him in his prime although Miller Nash Lillard Rodman and Allen dont belong either
@@christiansoldier77 Rodman belongs. He’s the only player of his kind to reach the heights that he did. Plus, with all things considered, he’s the greatest rebounder ever and anyone that’s the greatest in any of the 5 major stats belongs on the list.
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Nash was a 2x mvp and top 10 in assists, so he makes it by default (despite that many feel he didn’t deserve both mvps, but that’s a separate argument).
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You might be right about Lillard, Allen, and Reggie. It seems they gained votes based on respect and not necessarily accomplishments. However, other than Dwight there’s no one else who should’ve made it over them, so two of the three would’ve gotten in either way.
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Also, Anthony Davis doesn’t really belong on the list (at least not yet).
@@FLValentino Rodman was just a rebounder who didnt score any points that makes him a role player ... Chris Mullen was a 25-27 ppg player Joe Dumars a finals mvp Tony Parker a finals mvp Grant Hill who was a top player for many years and many more deserve to be on this list way ahead of Rodman Nash who would get destroyed by Rose or either one of the Hardaways and Howard who doesnt have the numbers or the ring that AD has
I get Kyrie took the Warriors lunch in 2016 but top 20 Iggy??? Lebron and Kyrie put the fear of God in them boys with that statement 😅. No wonder they got KD.
Yea Iggys out his mind with that 1
@@redyoshi1873 so listen to you over a finals MVP?
@@Thiiink top 20 player all time Kyrie Irving? Yea Iggys a finals MVP, that doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything Iggy says 😂
@@Thiiink Bro Kyrie ain’t top 20 let alone top 75. Top 100 sure.
@@datsapaddlin Facts people really need to be drug tested
i agree w skip. guys like Jason Kidd and Reggie Miller were vital to carrying the popularity of the league between superstars, (i.e After Jordan, Before Kobe)
Grant Hill before he got hurt did that a little more than Reggie, but I see your point
@@vbeard5887 yea grant hill was supposed to be the dr j 2.0, not play style but the black athlete who was clean-cut and very palatable for the white fans but yea he got hurt.