How They Caught The Golden State Killer

she should've used startpage

Where is the irony?

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe how do you not see the irony in this lol

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I agree. I fail to see the irony in someone maintaining a catalog of peoples DNA and being able to track them, without even use of the service nor consent being worried about their own privacy and not wanting to be cataloged in Googles database, even though they would give consent for it

And family pictures on the wall being blurred out for privacy

Yeah. If it's strictly used to catch violent criminals, I'm more than happy to help, but it's never going to stop there.

@@vezokpiraka I assume it would actually. At least in name.
I am fearful thought that it could be used to setup anyone and in massive, massive numbers.

What about DNA production? If someone "fakes" DNA at a crime scene? The world is getting more and more complicated.
But this process in general seems to help track down more evidence, and that is a good thing.

it's already out of peoples control now, innumerable corporations and public institutions make use of powerful algorithms to search databases like this all the time, examples include the risk assessment software used by insurance companies, credit scoring by finance, to the risk assessment software being used by courts.

Yeah the dude comparing a loss to someone’s privacy is totally missing the point. Probably on purpose. It’s a prelude to the stance politicians will take to have dangerous laws passed.

It's a genius addition to the video. Hypocrite.

Isn't this problem there not being a law saying that health insurance companies are required to charge all of their customers the same price because that law prevents disability discrimination.

Yet liberals claim that governments and other orgs like the FBI, NSA, CIA, WHO, WEF, etc., couldn't possibly misuse their power or fall into corruption. Only a liberals' conspiracy theory can be taken seriously? Funny how that works.

​@@frostfamily5321the US is the only western country without universal healthcare. The Insurance lobby can do whatever they want in that country. It will 100% come to this.

​@@joelt7869 That isn't hypocritical. Hyprocisy is the practise of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case. You can simultaneously encourage people to do something seeing a greater collectively achieved good whilst also saying you don't want to do that thing yourself. There is no claim there of having a higher standard or a more noble belief. It's important not to get the micro confused with the macro. Often times two different standards are going to be totally justified when you're dealing with two totally different things.
An extreme example to highlight the difference is, I might personally think that murder is wrong, and I might preach to others that they shouldn't murder, but I might also be completely open about the fact that I murder people regularly and I can't help myself because it feels so good. In that case, I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not pretending to have higher standards. I'm openly admitting that I'm doing a bad thing whilst preaching that others should do the opposite.

to be fair, we're talking about different types of information. duck duck go prevents you from online tracking, which can certainly lead to a myriad of different cyber-issues compared to sharing one's genetic information.

What in the world are you on about? Did you even listen to her views on genetic privacy?

I was going to comment this! Take this duck 🦆

Love that she was using it on Chrome lmao.

Well seen!

It's a Twilight kind of scenario.
But be sure any data if chance strikes will be abused.
And reality show that seemingly minuscule data places gathered in large enough quantity grants thus possibility.

they got your freaking dna and you major concern is insurance rates? stop worshipping the dollar, psychophant. they can clone you, and accuse you of what your clone did, thats not concerning?

@@chriskeel3096 - I can think of easier and cheaper ways of setting someone up

@@chriskeel3096 They can't instantly clone an adult version of you. Stop reading those conspiracy theory blogs.

It is illegal for health insurance companies to use genetic information to determine rates or deny coverage. Go look up the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008. Life insurance companies, disability insurance companies, and long-term care insurance companies, on the other hand . . . .

I expect law enforcement to be very selective who they spend their recources on weather it's to catch the bad guys or protect the innocent. Life is not particularly fair.

Pretty one sided isnt it.

Even if there is evidence to fully clear a suspect it can be withheld, the suspect is told to run along and forget about it and the cloud is left hanging over his head

@@david-dj8or not to meantion media has already told everyone that person knows and destroyed their reputation forever.

@@woutermollema easy enough to say that when you're not the one being imprisoned wrongfully. Meanwhile the actual criminal is running free

When in the start of video those guys mentioned that the killer was not leaving any fingerprints… I immediately thought it could be someone from police or who work closely with fingerprints thing… I don’t know if investigators at that time thought about it

Kira...

If that is true, I love that story. Too many quasi tough guys.

It's most likely a myth. nut the fact that you want a 'tough guy' to have his wife r a p e d or for him to be killed is such a loser thing to say, i can tell you have revenge fantasies against more popular folks@@TIOLIOfficial

@@Asiandramas99It only takes not being an idiot to ensure not leaving prints. Luckily, most criminals ARE idiots and extremely reckless.

>Bliar
I see what you did there lol

In what relation are the use of drones and DNA database?

Tony Blair, vile creature who should be in the tower of London for demographically and culturally obliterating a once great country.

@@barbthegreat586 the point is that whether it’s through drones or DNA analysis, people in power are known to use technological advancements to violate our civil rights.

@@barbthegreat586 Both are powers being abused by the government. It's really not that hard to see the relation...

It's different, except in the level of ridiculousness

I call the argument of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" the greatest intellectual goatse of all time.

"Those who don't move don't notice their chains." is a much better quote that communicates the same idea.

@@lobsterbark absolutely

@@ivanivanovic5857 seriously lmao. One is about constraining someone to speak because you disagree with them and the other is about constraining someone's liberty because they've got something to hide. Waaaay different levels

Right! That's quite impressive. Wonder how many videos he has in the works right now.

yeah, Oct 2019. Almost 2 years now from the interview, holy.

Wow... great catch.

I noticed that as well

it also means out of that 100 thousand cold cases with dna, only a few will get caught before the statute of limitations expire due to manpower constraints 😆

There is no profession in this world that does not have psychos hired, that does not mean that the profession is bad does it?
You certainly interacted with several of them in your life already.

he was a cop for six years in the 70's, and he got fired for shoplifting halfway through his rampage. so what?

​@@Frostiedkdk A psychopath was hired by a public organisation that is required to have the highest respect for the law, and he committed some of the worst crimes ever.

For real , so many ppl not even talking about it

But that’s how he got caught isn’t it?

Yeah. Give me flashback of that Apple backdoor key.

what is this insane technique by this commenter to clickbait their profile(s)???

You can’t change your DNA code after its breached. And I also really feel like we have another snowdon-esque scenario before us, just with DNA

@@banzaigerm report them, I did the same.

@@Secret_Moon
😳Could you please talk more about that

True. Blow your nose and they have your DNA to smear around.

Right? They caught the guy from DNA on his car door and in his trash. You ever throw away any DNA samples? Ever have a cold or hayfever?

Do you think CCTV footages have left job or retired or what?
Infact I know a story of a guy from India who avoided serious charge against him just because he used an ATM 500 km away from the location of murder at the same time.
Few people killed life of a girl and put the blame on the guy and said he ran away.
Feminist media took this and he soon became a national criminal.
Only one News Channel that has Wion from India helped and investigated for the boy and his life was saved.

Exactly. What if some murderer decides to steal some tissues from the trash and wipe them around whenever he goes to kill someone. DNA 'evidence' seems like a slippery slope. People seem to trust it implicitly because, well, it is very accurate. But this completely blinds them on the fact that there is no proof that the DNA found is even linked to the killer.

You know what i hadnt thought about this.

I didnt even heard it. I just know it from the comments now

​@@3kodokushi😮😮😮😮

27% opt-out

Also it's likely that most people who don't want their data used won't use the service at all on principle. Making it even more skewed.

​@@AlexanderNashI certainly don't plan to

Even before reading this I assumed.

Yeah i was thinking you probably have to click through like 3 menus of "are you sure?" before you can opt out

My hunch is loner type of a guy , well could be a cop as well, probably a small buisness owner, who could stalked the prey in his free time, and location of houses should have played a big role, probably wouldnt have attacked someone living in a busy street/apartment complex

@@prabhatsingh9111 it was a former cop according to the video.

Yup! The Golden State Killer is Joseph DeAngelo, a former police officer who committed at least 13 murders, 50 rapes, and 120 burglaries across California between 1974 and 1986.

@@pestbarn A man needs a hobby.

@@prabhatsingh9111 BAAAAAAAD PRRRRROOOOOOOFFFIIIIIIIIILLLLLLEEEEE

Chinese Communist Party has entered the conversation.

Tyranny has entered the conversation.

the death of a million is a statistic, the death of one is a tragedy.
- Stalin
this is why we should avoid ourselves getting too emotional based on single cases. ultimately more evil will follow causing suffering for more people for longer if we make uninformed decisions.

I don't even worry about the state, but private companies. Health, food, everything can be tracked down so they offer the best/most profitable products to particular people. The Parkinson example was on point there.

Well yeah, but everyone knows that the state has never done anything wrong and never will.
/s

That's what you get for living in California

Pelosi told members a few years back anyone working at Pentagon not to do Ancestry DNA. 🤔🤔🤔

No one would tell the public

Cloning the DNA then framing people lol

”When”…

​@@niXta123 I say "when" rather than "if" due to the fact that about 63% of all breaches come from an insider attack rather than an external attack; and the data they're holding is incredibly valuable.
An employee who is: pissed off with the company, being blackmailed, being bribed, a member of a unethical competitor, or hacker group destined to commit some form of industrial espionage, is the biggest threat they can face.
No firewall or antivirus will stop this, they need to police their employees extremely carefully.

Not only will that happen but they will place innocent ppl in jail with their faulty technology. Not impressed by this at all.

Yeah and also how his crimes were done so cleanly

Which proves that he was always capable of controlling his behavior. He's not crazy

Apparently not a very good police officer though, not accounting for the big thing we know. He didn't even last the decade, and was fired in 1979 after trying to shoplift, and was sentenced to 6 months, and subsequently removed from public service. His employment history for the 1980s is mysterious, but from 1990 to when he was captured, a truck mechanic. He had a history of breaking the law, like not paying for gas, 1996, and threatening the police chief when he was fired. Lol.
I get the picture he wasn't really liked by many of those in law enforcement decades before he was known for this. Him being an excop only speaks to that.

I was just thinking that when in the video the news reel played

@@chiggsytube I'm not sure what you mean. Him, being an ex-officer, going around threatening current officers kind of voids whatever protection you would imagine being an excop would offer, don't you think?

I feel like your decision won’t really matter as long as you have a relative who’s willing to share their genetic data.

Germany's nazi party would likely use this kind of information to find people they want to remove. They did similar things during the war.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy that your own family members could violate your own privacy by using these services. Most people don't know or care, but the decisions of others could impact people that do care. If you want to use services that test DNA it should be for medical reasons and performed by a doctor that way it's protected by HIPPAA/other medical privacy laws.

This whole thing seems like a nice excuse to release this technology to the public's knowledge and then convince them to help create a big enough database, With shame tactics like what you said "privacy vs apprehending a murderer". For future uses like the negatives you stated.

An evil government doesn't need us to make a database today for them to do that crap tomorrow... they could just force people to give DNA.

@@discodecepticon Then it's in the open. The worse risk is that this could happen behind closed doors with a government that is supposedly not evil. If there even is such a thing... it's no longer clear. Basically all current governments appear to be evil, at least in some of their actions.

Very true. Good idea but we still have too much rust and rot that abuse is concern :(

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Communism is not authoritarian by definition. There's variations from libertarian to authoritarian. To be fair, libertarian ideologies are rarely realized so we are always left with the authoritarian examples in history. But libertarianism originally stems from Marxism/Communism, so I think it's a highly interpretative and politically loaded example. The OP is specifically concerned with centralized power (i.e. authoritarian), and I think it's important to be very specific when dealing with political topics. E.g. your point could be made with dictatorships just as well.

@King Pistachion The drawback is if the definition of "crime" or "criminal" changes in the future

@King Pistachion There was this guy named Hitler, I'm pretty sure you don't want to be in a DNA database when he is in charge, do you?

@@Muskar2 You're correct about the existence of social libertarian examples of communism (anarcho-communes, etc), but libertarianism precedes Marxist theory by a good bit, being mostly an offshoot of classical liberalism from the Enlightenment period (Locke, Rousseau, etc)

It might as well be a black mirror episode.

Something tells me her own DNA isn't in that database.

@@holdenrobbins852 I was thinking exactly that.

there is some kind of strong irony that she would use ducduckgo

Precisely lmao

Ok, THIS comment is a good one

I found it to be an interesting twist of events for the cycle of the case.

I can’t believe this was glossed over the way it was. How can we trust our current law enforcement system if it has demonstrated time and time again its high potential for abuse?

this whole damn orwelian nightmare could have been avoided if they just decided to try and tackle police corruption instead of selling out their own people to centuries of future dictatorships to come

@@singerofsongs468 This channel is pretty solidly pro-establishment power.

This is the 3rd or 4th name change. I don't think this video is doing as well as he wanted.

I definitely agree with Derek's assertion that he is "bad at making video titles". I liked today's title and thumbnail and clicked it, but I skipped it yesterday. I think overall it's a net benefit since he does, in fact, create valuable content that's worth watching.

My new fun time activity is to wait and open the video only in a title/thumbnail I want Derek to think is more "effective".

Thought i was crazy for a minute

It's trippy, though, when you start watching it with one title, have to pause, then come back a few hours later and the name is different.

Ikr, robbing that for my genetics class

And I suck at cards so that one scene was a two hour shoot.

It’s a great explanation of haplotypes!

It obscures some of the nuance of the coin flip in Meiosis 1, but on the upside could easily be converted into a whole classroom activity if you can find enough different colored card decks.
I’m fascinated by the edge case where you can end up with a nearly 0% SNP match with a great grandparent if there is a streak of ending up with getting the other grandparents chromosomes.

@@veritasium worth the two hours lol

Just this once we promise. Oh damn that was really useful. Maybe once more wouldn't hurt. DNA databases are a gateway drug.

Like Apple scanning users phones for CP. Easy to get behind as the initial reasons is highly altruistic, but it becomes a slippery slope.

No but this time it’s actually dif- hey we could use this to invade privacy and use terrorsim as an excuse

That only applies in the USA, though.

@@ze_rubenator Yes, in India only about 40 percent are medically insured...and they are not really worth it and don't cover much of the expenses.

We say this is privacy vs murderers, but it includes all future application of DNA that are currently unimaginable today.
Imagine I get all movie actors to sign away streaming rights in 1999. I'd be stealing billions from them. We're signing away our biometrics for eternity.

And that, is just one example of many other uses this database could provide.

@@notname4414 what is the other example?

I don't personally see that much potential for abuse, at our level and for the next 100 years at least this DNA information won't be useful for much more than kinship queries or analyzing health risk factors. The fact that it isn't even really your data to keep private I think is what makes this not really a moral grey area, you share your DNA with your family of course they're not going to keep it private. I do wish they addressed the privacy concerns a lot more though because people in the comments are running wild with "if"s because the video left a big gaping hole there. At least cover immediate concerns like "they could determine your likes and preferences!" and debunk them

I personally feel that the entire spiel by them is exactly the best arguments against the entire thing. I can't imagine somebody walking away from this thinking how great it is...but then again, hey, who knows.

@@consciouscode8150 there's definitely tons of room for abuses here.

@@turdferguson3400 Care to give some more than the health insurance one? Haven't seen much else in the comments so far.

Humans are masters of exploiting any given information for personal gain/benefits. So yeah, potential negatives must be discussed first, before discussing any positives.

Wait I don't get it?

@@tobiramasenju6290 Duck Duck Go as a search Engine is designed to stop companies from viewing and tracking data as much, since on things like google or bing they sell private data for business. The irony was that she was using a search engine based on privacy right after advocating that you should put everything about your biological makeup into a database.

She said she was paranoid at the beginning

@@tobiramasenju6290 0

I think the scientist caught that right away, her expression turned a bit on the stern side when she realized what was going on^^

I mean most people have a bias against it anyways. This video shouldn’t change their mind

the technology makes their job easier.

One of them was against at the end though

@@usser1138 I suppose so, but still it's part of the topic, and in this case it's not really just 'a' concern, it's THE concern people have over seeing information abused time and time again, private companies have shown very little reason to be trusted with personal data and discussing this aspect while discussing the pros, would have been pretty meaningful. Lost chance, it's but one video, still Veritasium had better standards when coverin other topics

Yes, it is very, very scary and It's bound to get worse. Just remember what the UN's 2030 agenda says: "you will own nothing and you will be happy". The scariest thing is that a lot, if not most people with significant influence in the science community, support this agenda blindly and enthusiastically and don't want you to even question these things (which is extremely unscientific). If you believe It's just a conspiracy theory, just go visit the top universities...

Hey, excellent point. Your comment should go topside STAT!

Yeah, imagine if the guy used it to stalk a victim. For instance, he sees the victim at a coffee shop, grabs their used cup/tissue/whatever from the trash, then sequences it and searches it (possibly with the plausible excuse of looking for evidence from another crime). Now they know who the person is without having to follow them.

What amaze me , they don't have all police officer in the DNA data base under fbi ?

This is gonna be part of the Dexter reboot. Lol

Explains why they didn't get caught for so long.

it really shouldn't, is this a American thing? no government refuses healthcare

My DNA is most definitely in a data base how do you trace it back to Africa

@@eliteempireproductions4320 why stop there? DNA should be able to trace human evolution back to our emergence from the ocean

Free market and law enforcement on privacy and fraud can keep it together.
My thinking goes there are a lot of things to help yourself be healthy. If you do those, it should help you financially as well. If others waste their health, let them bear their burden. Charity is the reasonable plug to the gap.

@@acctsys You may take care of yourself but there are also genetic predispositions. No all is up to your control...

And the killer they talk about was an officer.

Exactly ;)

we watched that in my science class at school back in the 90s

@@hwykng82 we watched it in my high school bio class in 2018.

If a person (or group) possesses the level of understanding necessary as well as the level of general intelligence needed to "abuse" this data for something malicious, then they probably can do many other terrible things without needing DNA to accomplish their goal.

Lmao 🤣 🤣 Windows 🪟 in the western houses don't have metals protection

That’s true. We didn’t have any kind of protection on the windows. Just a mesh screen

You can only hope that with the continued viewing, more and more people will get Veritas's unintended message. The propaganda put forward in this report is an insult to humanity at this point.

@Kadir Garip look at the cuts

Well it’s not gonna decrease…

The count gets larger, but is the changing names whats drives it? or is another mechanism? Its kind of hard If you switch names, to see if one name is more interesting. Maybe the best is to have the same video with all the names published at start.

Changed it again now

They DRESS UP for the bank robbery!

I was thinking about that the whole video

John Mulany(misspelled)

@@tobiramasenju6290 why didn’t u just spell it right then lol

same lol

I guess previous name was 'Your DNA is a database or storage' something like that

And the thumbnail too

The previous name drew me... I probably would not have clicked on this title

Same

Florida did something good , funny

If you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in.

wow, i did not know that. i had my data on it but did not opt-in when they changed the terms.

And that is exactly why I am reluctant to take a 23andme or ancestry DNA test.

Yup! No privacy

Indeed, during the video I kept looking at Derek and wondering "When is the video gonna address that?" And unfortunately that has barely been mentioned. What companies have done with personal data again and again has been already a scandal and this... oh boy, I don't know, I'd say that 'truly terrifying' sums it nicely

That's nonsense! Now please enable fingerprint scanning and facial recognition on your phone and laptop. Thanks

@@maskettaman1488 haha they'll give ALL the access to their personal identity info in the name of 'High-tech security' who claim they 'don't store such info on their clouds', but the reality hits like a brick with so many leaks !

@@maskettaman1488 Hehe, I mean, yeah, indeed. I'm sure in many cases people seem to use two measures and hold contrasting views without paying attention to it. That's not always true, nor does that make some worries less valid, I think.

What has me concerned is vigilantes uploading other people's raw data without consent and parents uploading their childrens' DNA profiles. Once its out there, you can't get it back.

Sadly though, she's using it in Chrome. So.... Is it really tracking her less?

​@@mikecampbell8777 It's probably a company computer, so that might come with limitations on what you can download and run. Even then, it *is* tracking you a bit less, I think.

Unfortunately Chrome installs Agents that constantly send out usage, location, software and hardware data along with any Cookies that are installed and it’s a persistent app that’s sneaky for the average person to remove, (last time I checked). Your search engine is a big part of your fingerprint, no doubt, but only a part of the overall picture. It’s ironic that a data collecting agency is using software that is itself a data collector. However, (or hopefully) this person’s computer probably isn’t a data critical workstation, and hopefully, again, the sensitive workstations are isolated on a protected network, etc… Maybe there’s a reason she’s using Chrome. She seems aware of the liability though.

Yeah, that got a chuckle and a sigh out of me.

But is Duck Duck Go open source or proprietary? If it’s proprietary then it’s not trustworthy

in the 1000 page terms and condition there will be a small clause giving companies free hand to sell data,

Yes, they did forget about it.

This video is made to reassure you that nothing can possibly go wrong. All hail the new world order!

@@professorfukyu744 I got the opposite message.

yes, yes they did, and tomorrow they will forget anything they learned today.

All part of the plan ...

This sounded like a conspiracy theory and I searched it in doubt, and damned it is real! It's called Machine Identification Code. There's a Wikipedia article about it.

is this why my printer won't print in black and white without colour ink?

@@oxybrightdark8765 that's probably as much marketing as anything, but, perhaps.

All the smart serial killers use Kinko's.

You are 100% correct.

@King Pistachion doesn't mean we should just give up the rest of our privacy. I can turn off my phone, i cant change my DNA

@@newfiejiggs I can turn off my phone, and I can jump of a cliff. neither of them I want to, but on different scales

It's not your personal information. You share it with relatives, and you don't control what they do. That genetic interconnectedness is what makes it a tricky privacy issue.

what are you saying, they will have like a thousand page terms and condition, and in one like they will put that they are free to sell your dna data to advertisers, privacy is a myth my friend, moreover i belive at one point there will be enough data that the agency will only contact the criminal not the person whose dna was matched since they can make the family tree without contacting that guy, so you will never know so no worries

Yes

copied from another comment up above: (by Parker Barnes)
"Trust the police with your DNA!"
"The Golden State Killer was a cop btw..."

@King Pistachion And of course I can just leave my DNA at home or just break it and throw it in the trash like my phone...

@King Pistachion thats different in so many ways.

@King Pistachion It's the genetic information the main concern

also, it goes beyond just your local law inforcement/government. if the govt. has your data, you may as well assume its publicly available to foreign governments, hackers, criminals, multinational businesses ect. leaks happen all the time with personal data

"Brilliant"-ly. I see what you did there.

111 likes!!! not gonna ruin it 😅

@@nikulkumar1907 143 now

Wait what does DuckDuckGo do?

@@ActionAdam it double ducks the go

I mean, it's true though. If a government knows everything about its populace, it can effectively create a crime-free society. That's not necessarily a good thing - dystopian, even - but it's true.

@@zane990 *effectively create a society where only their crimes are hidden

its not close, it is

@@neyneynanamo2071 no lmao it's called the first world, not exclusively cOmmUniSm

@@neyneynanamo2071 everything I don’t like is communism, right? So dumb. It’s actually totalitarianism - left or right.

I was looking for someone else to have noticed that.

@@ramchandravarshney4149 there is a movie called GATTACA that is based on a world where your socio-economic status in society is based on your genetics

@@ramchandravarshney4149 GATTACA is a movie that explores... authoritarianism based on genetics.

Wow, you just made me understand GATTACA, I'm so dumb...

4head

Very random but it reminds me of Norm Macdonald.. I heard a comedian who was Norm’s good friend tell a story about how he called Norm 3 days after the birth of Norm’s first child. He said to Norm something like “hey how is it being a dad for the first time? How’s it going so far?” And Norm replied “Pretty good, no abductions yet.” 😂😂😂 Man I miss Norm a lot, and sorry I know that’s a super random story lol

@@rebeccaellsbury73 Naaaah, the laugh was well worth the segue 🤣

Lmao

21:02

Yeah, but I bet they charge extra. You need less duck tape and the hoods are cheap because they're small... but the tiny handcuffs have to be special ordered.

People in power using safety as an excuse to invade people's privacy more and more, and most people are like "oh yeah, get the bad dudes, sounds good." and did not think deeper into what all those is about--it's always about control and power. Sure more criminal can be caught this way, but at the same time it is just laughable to believe such system will not be abused.
Sure Apple will scan your phone for child abuse photos, but it'll never try to figure out your preferences on products and sell your data to Ad agencies, and/or try to figure out your political opinions and give that info to FBI.
--it sounds ridiculous when I say it out loud, but unfortunately most people won't give a second thought on that otherwise.

I sort of agree with your point, but also the reality is that people have used the exact same arguments against seatbelts!
And in today's case, against masks and vaccines.

Just imagine how a totalitarian state could use these against dissidents.

@@piratatazmania You're conflating very different scenarios.
Privacy protection is about others not being able to harass, blackmail or even murder you through the information they gained because it was available to them. More specifically corrupt cops and politicians don't get even more power. It is not about freedom of choice to do whatever you want. In the EU there is a debate going on to not view personal information like a personal posession but rather to treat it legally more like an assault on the body.
The argument for the seat belt is mostly self protection, which is a very poor argument. But it is still weaker than the argument for protection of privacy.
For vaccination is argued with herd immunity. That is a strong argument. Because the vaccination makes you sick, its justification to force it also needs to be strong.
All these three topics follow completely different argumentative angles and have very different justifications.

Give me one example of lost privacy that isn’t either to sell you something, advance research or for a crime. Why are y’all so suspect, nothing is going to change we lost privacy 40 years ago and that is a drop in the metaphorical ocean of our current problems today. I’ll never understand why people obsess about that bring up the fictional 1984 while ignoring literally everything else.

The Verogen method can also lead to sibling or parential
or even familial indirect identification.
It makes sense that now that storage is like multi petabyte at low cost,
that storing more detailed DNA patterns is also an option.
Storing 10 million frames on each DNA pattern would make the whole of the nation
recordable for a mere less than 1024 terabytes, or 1 peta,
with enough leftover for 150 million more Americans.
128 x 8 TB drives spread over 16 small servers, needing less than 2m3 physical space,
and through the spread allow for fast searches.
Once laboratorial splitting of DNA goes out of the loop, and where instead
the DNA is being read whole, with a fast chip descerning which is relevant,
from sample to DNA search would need less than 5 minutes, with the search itself included.

So glad it was left in, really helped show the issue from a more relatable standpoint.

How about the "Now panic and freak out" post at 20:01

@@TheWizardofLimes oh my god!

So instead of Google having your personal information, now instead duck duck go has your personal information. Got it.

She was still using Google Chrome though! 😬

Haha good one

maybe cops shouldn't have that much privacy that they can do all that murder and rape

that would explain how he knew how to stay hidden for so long. he knew what the cops looked for and could prepare for it. thats scary

Oof, that's a sick burn.

If I wanted to kill people I'd definitely become a cop

to late every c19 test u wait for. was ur consent to dna and ur name

Scary? This is the best way to prevent violent crime. you can regulate against potential data abuses but not against violent crime

@@BernhardKohli just wait till patriot act #2 comes out allowing the government to use this to "search for terrorists"

@@Tony-il8ly I think the US government might consider doing this, and considering how much power most people would give a responsible government, our (irresponsible) government really shouldn't be allowed to do a lot of what it does.

Exactly. And why are they storing 2 million samples? Weren't they already evaluated? Why keep them? 18:16

Joseph James was a good guy until he wasnt

These aren't just police officers finding these killers. This is possible for literally anyone to use. We used this to find my moms biological parents. It's available to everyone.

Make it mandatory for all law enforcement personel to be registered with their DNA. That should cut down dramatically the number of criminal police officers.

Not many people understood the significance of that little tidbit.

@@iceybrice You have no idea what a simple little convenience like that has done to the whole world , do you?

That's the thing. This would only work if the government had the exact same opinions and morals as you do, which often they won't.

Yeah you guys have been saying that this is gonna happen since the 1970s when we really started to lose privacy. Privacy is never gonna exist it’s a utopian idea in any advanced society.

this is so true, thanks for saying that!

In this case, the government doesn't even own the data, but your argument still applies. What if the corporations realized they could make more profit selling your data (I don't know what the terms of services are, but that has never stopped big corporations before). They could sell your DNA to health insurance companies to prevent you from getting coverage. They could sell your data to employers. I heard of a case where companies took life insurance policies out on their "at-risk" employees to make a profit without telling them. When the employee dies, none of the life insurance money made its way to the families. This is far from the only bad thing corporations have done and could do with this data that people are willingly giving them.
This isn't to say that the government can't get access to the data. What if one day the government decided to cease the data from the DNA companies, or the companies decided to give your data to the government, as was mentioned in the video.

What can they do with your information that they can't do without it? Think about it. Do you think the government not knowing that you prefer apple pie over cherry pie will stop them from arresting you on trumped up charges if that's what they want to do? If they ALREADY have evil intent, they don't need any more information about you to act on that intent. Cops are killing people in the street for no reason, right now, today, and y'all think they need to know your DNA sequence to oppress you?

we can see that the issue is not in another privacy violation. The issue is that people don't care about the government and allow it to do whatever they want

okay now I can't sleep fun.......these technologies didn't reach third world countries where everything gets abused even if it can't be.....so something like this is going to be veryyyyy much abused

@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 don't put responsibility on someone who have little to no power to prevent this. How would you not allow them to do this? By voting the opposition? What if opposition does the same when they come to power?

Mostly unrelated but gladys has resigned

@@jskratnyarlathotep8411 come out with a solution that have the government do nothing to stop criminals and criminals are being stopped. Then we talk about people not caring about letting the government do whatever they want.
Throwing it to a for profit security firm is no difference than not caring what the security firm do to keep you safe.

Yeah, that's a very good point!
Society and governments should come together and make strong policies about this. If they want to proceed in collecting DNA data then there should be bullet-proof fail-safe mechanisms to guarantee that this data can't be misused in the future - I mean what is there to guarantee that a future racist dictator cannot get hold of this data and misuse it?
I don't know if this would solve the problem, but perhaps data of this nature should not be allowed to be saved by independent companies, nor even by individual governments. Rather it should be safeguarded by a multi-country organization (like United Nations?), who should create safeguards to guarantee that no one, nor any country could misuse it, and guarantee that all data would be destroyed in case the organisation falls or changes its policies.

I agree completely.

totally agree that power tends to get abused without some airtight laws and policies to protect people

or destroyed.

It should not be used like this because the potentional harm outweighs the potential good.

have you read animal farm or 1984 by chance?

Or you trust them not to make the things you want to do it into crimes.

Hahaha, indeed...

@@theodoreharvey4814 yes, animal farm. history is going to repeat itself isn't it?

Whenever they say it's "for the greater good" you absolutely need to be skeptical. Nothing good has ever come from that sort of reasoning.

Not for safety. Most likely not for health either.