The Cognitive Tradeoff Hypothesis

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  • 게시일 2018. 12. 04.
  • Humans are the only Earthlings with complex language. But at what cost was that ability acquired? In this episode, I visit Tetsuro Matsuzawa to learn about his influential cognitive tradeoff hypothesis.
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  • @EdMcStinko
    @EdMcStinko 4 년 전 +4412

    Love how Ayumu couldnt play the game becuase he was trying to get laid

  • @Pierrot110194
    @Pierrot110194 3 년 전 +6240

    "Look at monkeys!"
    - Dr. Matsuzawa, Distinguished Professor of Primatology

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 년 전 +198

      Who's first language isn't English

    • @Pierrot110194
      @Pierrot110194 3 년 전 +1015

      @@therealmckoy6772 Neither is mine. In any case, I didn't intend to mock him, I just think it's awesome to see how easily amazed he still is by these creatures. For some people, the joy of a particular subject never fades and this is admirable.

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 년 전 +518

      @@Pierrot110194 ok please excuse my rudeness

    • @aliceliddell8413
      @aliceliddell8413 3 년 전 +83

      @@therealmckoy6772 Whose*

    • @theinsanityispalpable7331
      @theinsanityispalpable7331 3 년 전 +471

      @@therealmckoy6772 Props to you two for actually resolving a conversation like this politely over the internet. Gave me a lil smile :)

  • @nettewilson853
    @nettewilson853 2 년 전 +3578

    I love how they don't force the chimps to participate in research. Respectful and compassionate.

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 년 전 +93

      Students could be treated this way too.

    • @JT-il3fe
      @JT-il3fe 년 전 +26

      Don’t force them? They are locked up in a lab. What exactly is your definition of force?

    • @br-sb6vu
      @br-sb6vu 년 전 +228

      @@JT-il3fe did you watch the video?

    • @user-sk3nf2vv4p
      @user-sk3nf2vv4p 년 전 +6

      @@br-sb6vu no im sorry my bad 😔

    • @kiwenmanisuno
      @kiwenmanisuno 년 전 +54

      @@JT-il3fe The lab treats them very well

  • @carocardozo1507
    @carocardozo1507 년 전 +1959

    "No explanation to AI, no explanation to Michael" Loved it hahahah

    • @TactfulWaggle
      @TactfulWaggle 년 전 +79

      I genuinely adore the way some researchers speak like, ones that don't have english as their first language, but also are very passionate and playful

    • @Alkis05
      @Alkis05 11 개월 전 +6

      Just the way master Myagi would say.

    • @slishslash9202
      @slishslash9202 11 개월 전 +12

      It sounds so simple but so perfectly worded

    • @Soulcrusher199
      @Soulcrusher199 8 개월 전 +2

      Im sure its mainly because michael wanted to be treated like that. He gave all the signs to the professor so that he knew it is ok to do that. Love that about michael♥️

    • @bluelagoon5
      @bluelagoon5 7 개월 전

      Was just about to type this😄

  • @HanSolo__
    @HanSolo__ 3 년 전 +4187

    "No explanation. Because no explanation to Ai... no explanation to Michael"

  • @superarv1507
    @superarv1507 2 년 전 +4776

    I never thought I’d ever see a monke rage quit before

    • @mammi7699
      @mammi7699 2 년 전 +22

      @@jakob6186 😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👍🏼

    • @kyle2.054
      @kyle2.054 2 년 전 +20

      @@mammi7699 🥶🥶🥶🤯🤯🤯😂😂🤣🤣😂👌👌👌👍👍👍👍🤮

    • @Fragens
      @Fragens 2 년 전 +31

      @@jakob6186 Except they're gigachads rage quitting

    • @Fragens
      @Fragens 2 년 전 +20

      The real monkeys are min*craft players

    • @banditoincognito8950
      @banditoincognito8950 2 년 전 +62

      You see monke rage quit every time you see another person rage quit. We are monke.

  • @45juushi
    @45juushi 년 전 +814

    I absolutely loved Matsuzawa, he’s so passionate and you can tell how much he cares for those monkeys with just a glance

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 년 전 +6

      Their great apes not monkey know the difference.

    • @dingus42
      @dingus42 년 전 +1

      @@rb2k197 Firstly there were all sorts of primates in that place, and secondly all apes are phyletically monkeys including humans

    • @RafaelMunizYT
      @RafaelMunizYT 년 전 +9

      @@rb2k197 there are 60 different species of apes there, including monkeys so what's your point?

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 년 전 +5

      @Rafael Muniz monkeys are not apes okay know the difference. Great apes are chimpanzee, bonobo, gorilla, orangutan, and humans! Yes humans are part of the great apes family.

    • @rb2k197
      @rb2k197 년 전 +2

      @@RafaelMunizYT People often confuse apes and monkeys. Although there are a number of differences between apes and monkeys (apes have a longer lifespan, larger body size, larger brain-to-body size ratio, and higher intelligence); the main difference is that monkeys have tails and apes do not have tails.

  • @necromancer0616
    @necromancer0616 2 년 전 +375

    I noticed that in humans we seem to be able to at least see the first few numbers correctly every time. So in the wild and having spoken language it may have been all we really needed to survive. Because once a threat was identified it could be "shared" and avoided by other members of the community, thus maximizing survival.

    • @jebbait1669
      @jebbait1669 10 개월 전 +20

      This is a great point. I noticed that when trying to remember the numbers, I only got to four. It was a limitation on how fast my eyes could move to the next number. I'd imagine if we grew up in a more hostile environment, we would evolve to look more quickly look at our surroundings.

    • @indiansmokar
      @indiansmokar 7 개월 전

      @@jebbait1669 do you mean if YOU grew up in a hostile enviroment because our ancestors did

    • @MouhibBayounes
      @MouhibBayounes 7 개월 전 +1

      ​@@indiansmokarthey didn't. He meant they needed fast paced reactions like in animals. Analizing was the better alternative thats why our reaction is mediocre

    • @DioJeanBaptiste
      @DioJeanBaptiste 3 개월 전 +2

      how would a person who is a competitive speed memorizer do at this test??

    • @SpookyRipples9
      @SpookyRipples9 3 개월 전

      ​@@DioJeanBaptiste Exactly 💯 4 yrs before I didn't know how to ride a bicycle but today I learned to ride it on one wheel & perform other stunts-parkour..

  • @asmrbruh8070
    @asmrbruh8070 3 년 전 +3954

    when that guy said “look at monkey”, it was one of the most wholesome things i’ve ever heard

  • @dumwyteguy
    @dumwyteguy 4 년 전 +2035

    "It takes a long time to memorize 9 numerals' positions!"
    "...and fail."
    *SAVAGE*

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 4 년 전 +66

      That man burned micheal so much in this episode, that i don't think if you pack together every time he's been burned on youtube you'd find someone any more savage to mjchael than him.

    • @user-sp3qk3mg9t
      @user-sp3qk3mg9t 4 년 전 +2

      9

    • @saturn7404
      @saturn7404 3 년 전

      LMAOAOAA

  • @joachimwalle3760
    @joachimwalle3760 2 년 전 +48

    14:11
    "No explanation. Because no explanation to Ai... no explanation to Michael."
    😂❤

  • @itsborbiegerl
    @itsborbiegerl 년 전 +50

    I have been watching two or three of your videos every night for the past couple of weeks, replacing my scanning TikTok for hours. Thank-you for your contribution to my life. The way you explain your theories, and your theories themselves are beyond amazing and so easy to understand. I love how one thought or question leads straight to another, you have a fantastic way of educating the world on such interesting topics and opening up one’s mind to alternate theories. Thank-you Michael, thank-you VSauce.

    • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
      @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache 년 전 +1

      While watching Vsauce is definitely a big positive, I think lessening tiktok viewing time was possibly the greater benefit here. I don't even watch that much youtube shorts, and yet I already feel my attention span shortening even if I only watch like, 3 in a row. Add to that the fact that shorts and tiktoks aren't always educational, and some are even straight up disinformation, lies, or propaganda, and shortform vertical powerpoints are easily the best sandpaper for doing a smooth brain speedrun, probably murders more neurons per second than injecting bleach and ammonia through your skull would honestly.

  • @sipelpoiss
    @sipelpoiss 3 년 전 +4333

    The professor seemed visibly frustrated when Michael beat Ai, and then took noticeable pleasure when Michael failed at the harder task. As payback, Michael slapped subtitles on professor's talk.

  • @RealEngineering
    @RealEngineering 5 년 전 +2832

    "good boy"

  • @samgray49
    @samgray49 년 전 +144

    This actually makes a lot of sense, there's been research that shows people who don't develop language skills because of abuse also don't develop abstract thought and abilities. I wonder how much of this comes from being verbal.

    • @PavelHenkin
      @PavelHenkin 6 일 전

      I think it's the whole thing. No language - you're an animal.

    • @TheInfectous
      @TheInfectous 6 일 전 +2

      I think the selection bias is far too strong to draw any ideas to be honest. If kids are abused to the point of not learning a language, I would also think much more of their development should be stunted.

    • @WillyFisher412
      @WillyFisher412 5 일 전 +1

      It’s frustrating how many areas of science we simply aren’t able to know about because there’s no humane or even feasible way to do it.

    • @RobertoHernandez-gp3gu
      @RobertoHernandez-gp3gu 9 시간 전

      If you theory is correct. Then a baby chimpanze educated for the use of a very "simple sounds language" can develop a more advanced abstract way of thinking. There must be constructed with basic sounds that both us (humans) and chimpanze can vocalize. And must be in the short time period (childhood like) when young chimpanzees develop their skills to comunicate.
      First. The humans must assemble and learn the language, in order to teach it to baby chimpanzees.
      Define subjects, adjetives, verbs, actions.
      Then more complex terms like past or future, or abstract thinking.
      The chimps will teach this language to their desscendants?

    • @WillyFisher412
      @WillyFisher412 9 시간 전

      @@RobertoHernandez-gp3gu I think you as with many before you are severely underestimating the effort involved in achieving such dramatic results if even possible to artificially induce in the first place. Look at the case of someone with similar aspirations as yours: John Lilly, of dolphin house fame who wasted immense resources in achieving only very middling results. Although the results brought about in such cases as koko may lead some to conclude much more substantive results can be brought about with relatively little further effort, I believe and science thus far agrees with me that this is the limit of nonhuman understanding of language for the nonce, and hundreds if not thousands of generations of selective breeding and intensive labour would be required to broaden the linguistic capability of these animals, and there is simply no one with the funding willing to attempt such a seemingly financially unrewarding task, or at least to maintain it for more than a few decades as in Lilly’s case.

  • @DMXXCorps
    @DMXXCorps 년 전 +32

    around 10:00 they talk about how imagination is what separates us. I remember hearing that telling stories is what makes us human. it's cool that these match up like that

    • @cabs_
      @cabs_ 10 일 전

      People with aphantasia are chimps amongus. 😂

  • @Eva-me9pv
    @Eva-me9pv 3 년 전 +5639

    I love that they're doing animal experiments but with consent

    • @Volodimar
      @Volodimar 3 년 전 +140

      Contrary to the Michael's experiments.

    • @boisvertblues
      @boisvertblues 3 년 전 +25

      @@Volodimar what

    • @therealmckoy6772
      @therealmckoy6772 3 년 전 +86

      @@Volodimar most of the time they know it's an experiment it's just with a twist

    • @morgan1213
      @morgan1213 3 년 전 +203

      @@Volodimar they always sign up for it and hes talked to multiple ethics groups on some of his experiments (i.e. trolley problem)

    • @InsanePorcupine
      @InsanePorcupine 3 년 전 +113

      @@Volodimar I would be honoured to be an involuntary member of one of michaels experiments.

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 5 년 전 +5378

    Tried a similar test - failed miserably. Tried again, but THIS time, rewarded myself with a piece of apple. Result? Perfect score ...but I forgot how to talk.

    • @Xturnia
      @Xturnia 5 년 전 +100

      Lol funny but how can you type 😂

    • @timsullivan4566
      @timsullivan4566 5 년 전 +327

      @@Xturnia Tim Sullivan CAN'T type any longer and has hired me as his primate secretary.

    • @tammy7087
      @tammy7087 5 년 전 +16

      Get your own You Tube channel. You'll learn how to talk again.

    • @ericsgreyhairwisdom5799
      @ericsgreyhairwisdom5799 5 년 전 +3

      lmao

    • @CoffeeTroll
      @CoffeeTroll 5 년 전 +3

      Nice one Tim! 😂😂😂

  • @frankiev116
    @frankiev116 년 전 +39

    Now that I can finally comment on these videos (After watching the first 2 seasons) I can finally say how much I enjoy watching these. I have learned so much. It almost reminds me of Brain Games but with more psychological research involved which is just super fascinating.

  • @wadurito
    @wadurito 년 전 +10

    Thank you for making these available for free, they've been a joy to watch. I'll pay when I get my next paycheck. I've missed your content and I thought you had stopped making stuff like the old days, but the Mindfield series has proven me wrong.

  • @raymetal7
    @raymetal7 4 년 전 +2050

    Michael: I got the first three
    professor: good boi

    • @gangavlogs2522
      @gangavlogs2522 4 년 전 +16

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    • @aijhovlogs4072
      @aijhovlogs4072 4 년 전 +7

      g

    • @kishoreytc
      @kishoreytc 3 년 전 +17

      michael: dont good boy me!!

    • @KevinKickChannel
      @KevinKickChannel 3 년 전 +33

      the professor mocked Michael so much here

    • @tutejszy
      @tutejszy 3 년 전 +11

      @@KevinKickChannel professor also can't do it so don't care

  • @handsomezone6290
    @handsomezone6290 4 년 전 +3714

    there's some interesting parallels here to the high functioning autistic savant piano player that can memorize 10 notes in a chord instantly, but he has difficulty communicating

    • @shady_dodo
      @shady_dodo 4 년 전 +340

      that s an interesting point

    • @vloin
      @vloin 4 년 전 +206

      I was going to say something along those lines...I would like to see this test on a musician. We are expected to play passages that we have never seen before all the time. And I feel like this test is very similar.

    • @handsomezone6290
      @handsomezone6290 4 년 전 +115

      @@vloin Its not exactly the same for sight reading I think, because you get to look through the piece at least once to put it all into recall memory, and then you get to look at it again while playing it. It is similar, but the equivalent would be showing us a phrase of music for half a second then taking away the sheet music entirely and then asking us to play what we saw flawlessly

    • @vloin
      @vloin 4 년 전 +40

      @@handsomezone6290 I agree...kinda.... But I feel that because the experience is similar. A musician might be better at this because they exercises sight to response more often... If that makes sense

    • @emergencyshotput8147
      @emergencyshotput8147 4 년 전 +7

      @@vloin music also has similarities between prices. Themes and patterns persist.

  • @Lukusprime
    @Lukusprime 11 개월 전 +89

    In my opinion, instead of memory and language being two different areas of the brain, and one had to shrink in order for the other to grow, I think it’s all memory, just allocated differently. Think about it; it takes a lot of memory to remember a language; sentence structure, all the different words and meanings, etc. It’s honestly incredible that I can still remember words I haven’t had to use in months or years (I honestly can’t tell you how long it’s been since I’ve used the word Troodon, but I still know it and what it means, that smart dinosaur that looked kinda like a big raptor). All this memory bust take up a ton of space, so that’s why we can’t remember things like Chimps can; we still have that powerful memory part of our brain, it’s just allocated to a different task. If ethics weren’t an issue, I think it’d be interesting to take a human baby, not teach it language but try to develop it’s memory skills with tests like the chimps get, and see what happens. Or vise-versa, since chimps don’t have the right vocal cords for speech, try to teach a chimp human-level sign language from birth, and if it learns that then see how it fares on the memory tests

    • @steggyweggy
      @steggyweggy 9 개월 전 +5

      I was thinking the same thing about teaching kids these memory tests. I know that high level chess players (Hikaru Nakamura is the main one that comes to mind) are usually much better at these memory games than the average person

    • @soren17111990
      @soren17111990 8 개월 전 +8

      Ahh yes. Im sure your "hypothesis" based solely on personal experience and watching a 30 minute video that likely massively simplifies the subject is as qualified as a researcher who spent 40 years studying. Your opinion isn't worth much at all.

    • @wizarddragon
      @wizarddragon 6 개월 전 +2

      @@soren17111990 And you think your opinion is worth more?

    • @Biosquid239
      @Biosquid239 5 개월 전 +3

      @@wizarddragon he thinks the researchers opinions are worth more than this random dude who likely has no major even related to this

    • @wizarddragon
      @wizarddragon 5 개월 전 +1

      @@Biosquid239 huh?

  • @theitalianalien8477

    17:30
    Michael: "yeah, i got one right!"
    Chimp: "pathetic"

  • @Jmack7861
    @Jmack7861 4 년 전 +3200

    I think the most impressive part of this is that they taught chimps to read 1-9 in numerical order

    • @neoshenlong
      @neoshenlong 4 년 전 +303

      Yeah, I was thinking about that. How did that even happen?

    • @user-cs6hh5ej3f
      @user-cs6hh5ej3f 4 년 전 +10

      Nah

    • @80ki68
      @80ki68 4 년 전 +180

      @Kill Team Charlie
      Well I mean it is in Japan.

    • @GamingAiyu
      @GamingAiyu 4 년 전 +75

      they said they were bad with language not numbers.

    • @Jmack7861
      @Jmack7861 4 년 전 +153

      sofos Reasby a graphic representation of a concept is still reading a language

  • @grandayy
    @grandayy 5 년 전 +25249

    In episode 2 Michael decides to live the remainder of his life as one with the chimpanzees

    • @Valvex_
      @Valvex_ 5 년 전 +388

      randomly scrolling through and see this, lol

    • @zainbro7
      @zainbro7 5 년 전 +77

      Grandayy second lol

    • @retro9946
      @retro9946 5 년 전 +171

      How did the Memelord himself get here?!!?

    • @sjukingen5332
      @sjukingen5332 5 년 전 +215

      And episode 3 Michael discovers he is a human when he meets Jane and they keep on living together with the chimpanzees

    • @cheesycheesecake1
      @cheesycheesecake1 5 년 전 +20

      Hahaha funny man

  • @emtube9298
    @emtube9298 년 전 +1

    Fantastic program! Turns on many lightbulbs in my head. Many thanks for presenting this data. And hats off to Kyoto University for supporting this essential research.

  • @MikeVanLinden82
    @MikeVanLinden82 년 전 +3

    I love this. I'm grateful for his passion and research. Thank you!

  • @TU-iLLMATiCK
    @TU-iLLMATiCK 5 년 전 +7049

    So basically don’t ever type any of your passwords around these mfs lmfao...

  • @Beanbag-qs4ju
    @Beanbag-qs4ju 3 년 전 +2029

    I love how professor Matsuzawa always looks so happy to be there and always so fascinated buy the chimpanzees even after working with them for years

    • @ArcanineEspeon
      @ArcanineEspeon 3 년 전 +29

      I'm so glad you put that in to words so I could realize it too.

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto 3 년 전 +21

      he is also so fascinated in general by life and world. This is characteristic that many scientists have anyway as personalities and many times leads them to that profession choice.

    • @papawewa
      @papawewa 3 년 전

      talk about decades

    • @idkanameforthis
      @idkanameforthis 3 년 전

      SEND ME HATE ON MY VIDEOS>>

    • @yamatanoorochi3149
      @yamatanoorochi3149 2 년 전

      Now that's true love

  • @AFK-47x
    @AFK-47x 년 전 +3

    One of your best uploads. This is both exceptionally well researched as well as entertaining.

  • @dustinairola4301
    @dustinairola4301 2 년 전 +4

    I’ve thought about this so much over the years. Thank you for making this video.

  • @lazuliman
    @lazuliman 4 년 전 +9591

    I’m glad you made this free for us. Thank you Micheal, very cool.

  • @dafyddil
    @dafyddil 3 년 전 +565

    "No explanation to Ai, no explanation to Michael." The professor is ruthless and I love it.

  • @grenzland397
    @grenzland397 년 전 +4

    Love the way of the researcher he seems cold when in normal conversations but the fire that burns when he does what he's best at was really nice to see

  • @8thApostle
    @8thApostle 2 년 전 +1

    Dope show❗giving up some precise short term memory for imagination and future outlooks think is a good bargain
    Crazy how nature developed react and reactions that play out

  • @dennismangino8674
    @dennismangino8674 4 년 전 +1234

    No one:
    Dr. Matsusawa: "Look at monkey :D"

    • @wardwalterwarend4717
      @wardwalterwarend4717 3 년 전 +123

      Just imagine everyone being this enthusiastic at their job.
      Baker: "Look at bread :D"
      Bus driver: "Look at bus :D"
      Drug dealer: "Look at drugs :D"
      Police officer: "Look at drug dealer :D"
      President of the US: "look at nuke :D"
      I would like to live in that world.

    • @yort7002
      @yort7002 3 년 전 +19

      Ward Walter Warend unfortuatly the big sad exists

    • @royalrice5191
      @royalrice5191 3 년 전 +16

      Thank you monkye, very cool

    • @Jayboi-nm5zo
      @Jayboi-nm5zo 3 년 전 +22

      @@wardwalterwarend4717 you mean USA: look at oil :D TIME TO INVADE

    • @user-tq7bf1zr7k
      @user-tq7bf1zr7k 3 년 전 +2

      Monkeys: YHOUUUU HUHUHUHU HU

  • @watchingthebees
    @watchingthebees 2 년 전 +1276

    Dr. Matsuzawa seems like the nicest guy! You can see just how much he’s passionate about what he does, and how he cares for these animals

    • @vidhaanagarwal1487
      @vidhaanagarwal1487 11 개월 전

      666th like

    • @chalkp
      @chalkp 7 개월 전 +8

      22:04 with no context

    • @Jim-vq9yg
      @Jim-vq9yg 7 개월 전 +2

      Weird, he gave me chills.

    • @JakesOnline
      @JakesOnline 6 개월 전 +1

      I'm amazed they know the number sequence, let alone memorizing the position. What if it's not memory? Could it be persistence of vision? Instead of memorizing the positions, they're actually seeing a residual image?

    • @REDSTONENOOB.
      @REDSTONENOOB. 6 개월 전

      5:07

  • @karaamundson3964
    @karaamundson3964 년 전 +18

    This is fascinating. I *think* I've heard research that 9 digits, in order, is just about the human cognitive limit!
    I'm always interested in matters of the brain & mind, especially as regarding every branch and limb of the human family tree.
    I taught kids on the dyslexia spectrum for almost 2 decades. One of the programs was for students who could *read,* had age-appropriate or better *vocabulary* ...but could not recall the gestalt of the anything they tried to study for, enjoy, or learn.
    Our idea was to have them to look at pictures and, in a series of different descriptive levels, report what they saw. Then we'd do blind confirmations, then they could check, and so on.
    The next stage was for them to create a picture in their minds of each sentence we read ("What do those words make you picture?"), then rely on the images to answer questions.
    (In this way we developed the strength in each side of the brain so that--very roughly speaking--the whole brain was flowing through information quickly without running into snags & stresses like studying for two weeks and passing a test but immediately forgetting everything, or failing.)
    My point being--our students had pretty much all been born into a rich culture of language and while most may have had nerves around writing, talking was not usually an issue. The opposite of the chimps...
    However once they began "seeing pictures," their concept imagery just went up and up.
    I used to wonder, as I taught, about people on the savanna coming back to the group with reports of dangerous animals, game, storms...

    • @Laura-kl7vi
      @Laura-kl7vi 개월 전 +1

      digit span memory is different from this kind of test, which is of short term memory but as you can see isn't memorizing numbers but is spacial, it's about position.

  • @iliveinthekingdomofpain7692

    Great series. Keep them coming. Sponsor this channel.

  • @mr.dudemeister7321
    @mr.dudemeister7321 3 년 전 +2201

    I’m just as impressed that they know the order of the numbers. I imagine it was harder for them to figure that out than it is to memorize their positions on the screen

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto 3 년 전 +15

      yeah

    • @robmatheson7435
      @robmatheson7435 3 년 전 +218

      They start off by only having 2 numbers then 3 and so on

    • @dr.michaelj.stefano8113
      @dr.michaelj.stefano8113 3 년 전 +12

      only they didn't figure that out, so the whole thing is not legitimate.

    • @tiagoxavier8945
      @tiagoxavier8945 3 년 전 +56

      The hierarchical order of alphabet isn't meaningless at all... Just try to say it out in a random manner without missing or repeating any letter and you'll understand.

    • @tiagoxavier8945
      @tiagoxavier8945 3 년 전 +14

      @@dr.michaelj.stefano8113 what?

  • @mistertheguy3073
    @mistertheguy3073 5 년 전 +7857

    Memory is sacrificed for language just as vsauces channel is sacrificed for youtube red

    • @birdmn9930
      @birdmn9930 5 년 전 +558

      The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

    • @UdayNatt
      @UdayNatt 5 년 전 +144

      VSauce: Tears? Really?
      KRplus Red: They're are not for DONG.
      Michaelanos: I'm sorry, Little One.

    • @owelhernandez2637
      @owelhernandez2637 5 년 전 +88

      Quality cost more.

    • @klankungen7794
      @klankungen7794 5 년 전 +16

      @@UdayNatt they are are?

    • @mz7315
      @mz7315 5 년 전 +7

      OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @applepeel1662
    @applepeel1662 6 개월 전 +3

    Mr Metsuzawa is an absolute genius and pioneer to discover such memory capability and create such an experiment
    Brilliant man!

  • @arupsan
    @arupsan 2 년 전

    This is something I was waiting long time
    Brilliant thanks Micheal

  • @ProgenitorFoundry
    @ProgenitorFoundry 3 년 전 +1197

    "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" - Qui gon jinn

  • @hellszhells
    @hellszhells 5 년 전 +1459

    So basically the answer to "why did I forget what I was gonna say?"
    Is "because you can speak"

    • @alintheplaya
      @alintheplaya 5 년 전 +34

      very smart perspective

    • @user-gz3qd3jn4r
      @user-gz3qd3jn4r 4 년 전 +11

      i think you don't understand the word 'hypothesis', so it seems like that trade didn't work that well.

    • @hellszhells
      @hellszhells 4 년 전 +32

      @@user-gz3qd3jn4r no one can make a joke if it doesn't line up with the exact way that physics and science works

    • @user-gz3qd3jn4r
      @user-gz3qd3jn4r 4 년 전 +7

      @@hellszhells r/woosh

    • @gerhardbritz1196
      @gerhardbritz1196 4 년 전 +5

      Nice paradox

  • @haseebashraf4274
    @haseebashraf4274 3 개월 전

    Excellent work by Michal😍We need another season of Mind Field😍

  • @Tsamokie
    @Tsamokie 2 년 전 +1

    Excellent research Mr. Tetsuro Matsuzawa.

  • @wachyfanning
    @wachyfanning 4 년 전 +1509

    If chimps have great short term memory giving them the ability to make quick decisions, I wonder what they'd be like playing videogames

    • @JackAssSquirrel
      @JackAssSquirrel 4 년 전 +522

      2030: "chimpanzee team wins esports world cup for the 5th time"

    • @Phasma_Tacitus
      @Phasma_Tacitus 4 년 전 +288

      Games aren't just about detecting patterns, there's planning/strategy and coordination to do complex tasks also involved, so chimps would have a hard time with all that. But if you gave them something more straightforward, like a guitar hero, maybe they'd be better than us.
      EDIT: Thinking about it now, I don't think even Guitar Hero would be playable by a chimp. In fast, one note at a time songs, they'd maybe fare well, but as complex combinations started they just wouldn't be able to follow as they lack finer coordination.

    • @wachyfanning
      @wachyfanning 4 년 전 +95

      @@Phasma_Tacitus it depends on the game. There's a large variety

    • @888Grim
      @888Grim 4 년 전 +73

      Conversely, I'd like to see how a pro-gamer like Serral or Maru would do on the chimp test.

    • @Avengedtenfold
      @Avengedtenfold 4 년 전 +23

      Games also require long term pattern recognition and spatial awareness...not to mention that video games teach their mechanics through symbols a lot of the time.

  • @jorgec98
    @jorgec98 4 년 전 +854

    I love how after decades of working with chimpanzees, he still does it with enthusiasm and even excitement.

  • @ivoryquays6661
    @ivoryquays6661 2 년 전 +2

    Dr Matsuzawa = Wonderful, inspirational human being.

  • @farhansadik5423
    @farhansadik5423 5 개월 전 +3

    Surviving in the wild, i think that (as professor matsuzawa said) imagination was our most powerful weapon. We could suppose glance at some random bush, and even if we can't exactly know how many enemies there are, we could estimate! It doesn't have to precise, but it still has a good use. I loved this video very much. I also think knowing and preserving other species, not just chimpanzees, is key to realizing what morality, and human consciousness is. Thanks michael!

  • @dreww8941
    @dreww8941 3 년 전 +587

    My psychology class was canceled today, and we were all told to review an episode of mindfield instead. Nice

  • @GrantGryczan
    @GrantGryczan 5 년 전 +302

    The Japanese psychologist is so sweet...

  • @midnightcat6116
    @midnightcat6116 년 전 +10

    Professor Matsuzawa is everything!! 🤗☺️💗🙌🪷 The banter between you both was so cute to watch 🫶

  • @josephz9006
    @josephz9006 년 전 +1

    The end was very beautiful made me cry they the Dr and monkey been working together for so many years. G
    Grew old together.

  • @britishfrenchacademy5005

    15:58
    Ayumu's new girl: Aren't you participating in the Professor's test today?
    Ayumu: Nah! Screw that test. I prefer spending time with you.
    Ayumu's new girl: Awww

    • @jumbledfox2098
      @jumbledfox2098 3 년 전 +8

      I thought you were a british french school XD

    • @mostafazahid1710
      @mostafazahid1710 3 년 전 +28

      @Daniel Cheng En Kee Being romantic makes you a simp?

    • @ladyalicent705
      @ladyalicent705 3 년 전 +4

      Mostafa Zahid Apparently.

    • @wefbm
      @wefbm 3 년 전 +51

      @Daniel Cheng En Kee chimp*

    • @peewee130946
      @peewee130946 3 년 전 +1

      Daniel Cheng En Kee nah that man out here getting laid unlike you lol

  • @jakevs.theworld2987
    @jakevs.theworld2987 5 년 전 +875

    The only reason I would ever get KRplus Red is to watch this show

    • @Sokyyyy
      @Sokyyyy 5 년 전 +3

      It is not avalible in my country and I dont know what to do now... :(

    • @nicurasjackson2641
      @nicurasjackson2641 5 년 전 +7

      @@Sokyyyy get a vpn

    • @DarkMice5529
      @DarkMice5529 5 년 전 +1

      Well it was a combination of Mind Field & Cobra Kai that did it for me!
      Also, I put it on my wife’s credit card!
      2 birds, wife’s stone!

    • @necromancer7712
      @necromancer7712 5 년 전

      @@Sokyyyy there are free websites, downloading all Red Premium videos. Mostly Russian websites. Google it.

    • @adamsabra2683
      @adamsabra2683 5 년 전 +2

      there is a website called rulu u can use it to watch all mind field episodes for free :p thank me later

  • @hydencp
    @hydencp 년 전 +6

    I can’t believe it took this long to find this channel. I regularly have my mind blown

  • @kovenmaitreya7184
    @kovenmaitreya7184 2 년 전 +2

    I think I know where this video is going. I've learned that the secret to speedreading is the elimination of subvocalization, but it's engrained in us from an early age. This task requires recognizing numbers purely visually which becomes harder after a lifetime of sounding out words and numbers in your mind.

  • @sneaks9150
    @sneaks9150 3 년 전 +454

    I really enjoy that the chimps participate voluntarily, and may enter or leave the facility as they wish.

    • @sprig3432
      @sprig3432 2 년 전 +6

      What about Kids who go to school, is this voluntarily for them or adults who go to work? Jesus what a snowflake

    • @bradsully6620
      @bradsully6620 2 년 전 +9

      @@sprig3432 yes, yes that is voluntary.

    • @emiliomanzo3740
      @emiliomanzo3740 2 년 전 +8

      @@sprig3432 yes you could go live in the rainforest, but you don’t you stay here and chose to go to work or school instead

    • @ShihTzuPosting
      @ShihTzuPosting 2 년 전 +1

      @@sprig3432 People who complain about snow flakes are projecting because they can't handle the cold truth

    • @sneaks9150
      @sneaks9150 2 년 전 +2

      @@sprig3432 Chimps live in the wild and live free in their ecosystems. A child going to school or an adult going to work is part of our "ecosystem" which we designed ourselves, it is called society. Weird that one comment about a viewer appreciating conservation of endangered animals triggers you so much, you goddamn snowflake lmao.

  • @ralphman8375
    @ralphman8375 5 년 전 +442

    key word: sharing
    lucky this is the free episode

    • @Agostoic
      @Agostoic 5 년 전 +10

      Great pun they did.

    • @samuelparry7877
      @samuelparry7877 5 년 전 +6

      Sounds like communist propaganda but ok

    • @SOTSoulja
      @SOTSoulja 5 년 전 +3

      I will never pay for KRplus

    • @DavesChaoticBrain
      @DavesChaoticBrain 5 년 전 +2

      @@SOTSoulja So you go to work every day for free? That's cool bro!

    • @brycejohnson7
      @brycejohnson7 5 년 전 +1

      @@SOTSoulja On the bright side they are making Premium videos ad supported soon so you won't need Premium to watch them.

  • @alexandreleal7911

    It's amazing to understand what you said... The first time I had watched it and I didn't understand it very well. Thanks

  • @noordinaryjoe1414
    @noordinaryjoe1414 2 년 전

    Amazing!! Best thing on KRplus!

  • @VarunGupta3009
    @VarunGupta3009 2 년 전 +807

    Also that fact that internally, we still vocalise stuff that we read, or even glance, that makes us slower. We don't just photographically remember where the numbers are, instead, we count them orally in the head and dart our eyes around frantically until we find them all, in order.

    • @spectralanalysis
      @spectralanalysis 년 전 +22

      We also have what's called a visual sketchpad, so that's one way we can group disparate visual information in a specific order

    • @domagojgalekovic8507
      @domagojgalekovic8507 년 전 +66

      I'd be willing to bet good money that a "feral" human could outpace the chimp. Every time we see something we formulate a concept which we may vocalise. If we didn't "program" ourselves to do that from birth, we would most likely work just as fast as the chimps in the video. That's my theory at least, but I don't think you can legally raise a "feral human".

    • @carmadme
      @carmadme 년 전 +24

      Ohhh I wonder how those people with no internal monologue or vision would do in this test

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 년 전 +4

      It’s partly due to the difference of using different neuropathways , chimps direct, humans detour.

    • @joincoffee9383
      @joincoffee9383 년 전 +4

      I noticed some child at age 1-2, has amazing visual observation capacity, way superior than regular adults

  • @hanjaeyoon906
    @hanjaeyoon906 3 년 전 +653

    19:46 "So you recognize that you cannot do just like Ayumu. It's impossible." "Yeah, impossible." It would be funny if the professor actually beats the game afterward.

    • @andys2801
      @andys2801 2 년 전 +87

      Then when the camera cuts, Tetsuro goes full monke mode and completely aces Ayumu’s 0.5 memory test.

    • @shingekinokyojinbiteszadus7265
      @shingekinokyojinbiteszadus7265 2 년 전 +10

      @@jjjjjjjjj3000 we then find out he plays osu extreme mode every day

    • @milkuetea
      @milkuetea 2 년 전

      The real monkey king

    • @xolomartinez6036
      @xolomartinez6036 년 전 +2

      And realize, it's impossible for the chimp to use language or process info like we do, that's a good thing. I'll take being able to think vs having photographic memory anytime. Having photographic memory is not necessary if you know where to lookup the info which also implies you know how to think. Another key take away is not filling your memory with noise and junk information. It must serve a purpose for the chimps though.

    • @DF-ss5ep
      @DF-ss5ep 년 전

      "My research actually about westerner. You agree white westerner dumber than monkey, yes? It is proven."

  • @dex1lsp
    @dex1lsp 10 개월 전

    Aww, the end is so adorable and sweet. 🖤

  • @ammar6144
    @ammar6144 2 년 전

    Thank you for everything ❤️

  • @natsunoneko
    @natsunoneko 3 년 전 +987

    From here forth, I choose to believe my terrible working memory can be attributed to my fairly decent language-related skills. Thanks, Michael, for helping me feel better about myself

  • @ProdigyGirlGaming
    @ProdigyGirlGaming 5 년 전 +13387

    I’m sad Vsauce is all KRplus Premium now 😔

    • @bitterbal_
      @bitterbal_ 5 년 전 +1250

      Same :/ it was such a good channel

    • @NeoFlorian1
      @NeoFlorian1 5 년 전 +1026

      youtube is cancelling premium so...

    • @ole1925
      @ole1925 5 년 전 +444

      TheGamingCreeper295 it is? Finally!!!

    • @theholypupper5637
      @theholypupper5637 5 년 전 +434

      This is so sad alexa play vsauce theme

    • @CaMallmann
      @CaMallmann 5 년 전 +271

      @@BrokenClock_ Not really. They have way less effort there, are way less interesting and just plain silly sometimes

  • @JM-zg2jg
    @JM-zg2jg 년 전 +1

    I wish there were a way to scan individuals brains, and be able to differentiate between the different processing areas to see their scale and position.
    Imagine how cool it would be to be able to essentially get the hardware specs on your own brain.
    It would really help a lot of us that struggle to define our strengths and weaknesses, and so have difficulty overcoming or working around them.

  • @LokwandzaZubuko

    Wow, your channel is amazing!!

  • @caylonsh
    @caylonsh 4 년 전 +562

    22:05 how this video ends with the prof's chimp voice is so amazing

  • @IronWarrior4Ever
    @IronWarrior4Ever 4 년 전 +325

    Looks like Michael is getting kicked out of the trees 250k years after his ancestors.

  • @maxxicollins2108
    @maxxicollins2108 2 년 전 +1

    This is really interesting. I need to read more of this

  • @tiggercampbell6198

    i loved this content..more like this please

  • @cucciolino94
    @cucciolino94 3 년 전 +304

    Distinguished professor at the primate advanced study institute and his first quote you decided to edit in was: "look at monkeyysss". I love you

  • @LoydAvenheart
    @LoydAvenheart 5 년 전 +123

    Tetsuro Matsuzawa is the best, I love how he randomly called Micheal a good boy when he got it right.

    • @mickmickymick6927
      @mickmickymick6927 5 년 전 +2

      It's probably not such a weird thing to say in Japanese.

    • @fullc0de
      @fullc0de 5 년 전 +2

      I love it when he hugged the chimp towards the end!

  • @mikecameron6667
    @mikecameron6667 2 년 전

    Keep up the great work!

  • @reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468

    This series is making my lil psychology obsessed heart so happy

  • @ASHl33164
    @ASHl33164 3 년 전 +894

    I love how the professor says, “You took a long long time, many seconds.”
    Michael: “it takes a long time to remember nine digits”
    Professor: “and fail”
    Professor: “Good boy”

    • @juliannasolis9019
      @juliannasolis9019 2 년 전 +57

      he was talking mad shit

    • @lok777
      @lok777 2 년 전 +42

      @@robertimmanuel577 I think breaking someone's balls is common across all cultures.

    • @archankumarmyana40
      @archankumarmyana40 2 년 전 +30

      Like a typical Asian parent 😂

    • @mariapaul8165
      @mariapaul8165 2 년 전 +5

      @@archankumarmyana40 Exactly🤣🤣

    • @HelloThere.....
      @HelloThere..... 2 년 전

      @@robertimmanuel577 That doesn't really make it any better or worse.

  • @amouramarie
    @amouramarie 3 년 전 +434

    We were not so strong, so we got kicked out from the forest.
    1 million years later: Be careful who you make fun of in middle school.

    • @iamlogiebear
      @iamlogiebear 3 년 전 +40

      Deforestation makes so much sense now..

    • @kacperwoch4368
      @kacperwoch4368 3 년 전 +6

      @@iamlogiebear The forrest goes brrr

    • @diego032912
      @diego032912 3 년 전 +9

      @@iamlogiebear I think all of us as Homo sapiens have a shared trauma to trees, and in some people it develops as a rare form of Stockholm Syndrome causing rash affection to said trees. Very rash affection.

    • @DlcEnergy
      @DlcEnergy 3 년 전 +4

      Alpha monkeys: huh! he can talk! he can talk! he can talk! he can talk!
      Beta monkeys: i can siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
      Alpha monkeys: oooh ooh ah ah ah!!
      Beta monkeys: i can swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! **Tarzan noises**

    • @ohmyblindman
      @ohmyblindman 3 년 전

      It's a small step from "sharing" to domination.

  • @rashad124
    @rashad124 년 전

    This might be my favorite episode yet

  • @billflunkendorf

    I think it makes sense, we can write and talk and look up whatever we need to remember, but for a creature that lives in the wild who can write stuff down or look stuff up, it would definitely be beneficial to have photographic memory, the other part makes sense too because memory for complex language would take up a lot of space on its own, kinda like the same thing in a way

  • @c0mprou122
    @c0mprou122 3 년 전 +599

    04:54 Our class teacher when the principal enters the class.

  • @sociallyineptspider-man2366

    "LOOK PAPA I GOT THE FIRST THREE! "
    🙄" good boi"

  • @NebMunb
    @NebMunb 년 전 +2

    I'm late to this video, but the mere fact we have to know this information is crazy. It's the itch you can never get rid of, the inquiries the human mind makes.

  • @jabes646
    @jabes646 9 일 전

    the recurring memory test(s) must also improve/retain their short term memory, and no testing is shown how different the subjects approach the problem then vs now. really entertaining video XD

  • @JacopoAllieviBatu
    @JacopoAllieviBatu 3 년 전 +535

    I read in a scientific article that our brain can quickly count a maximum of 3 elements in a set. after which the concept becomes "many" and we can no longer say precisely how many elements this set is made up of. In fact, Michael always manages to identify three elements but then gets lost

    • @scrubjay93
      @scrubjay93 3 년 전 +21

      I believe it is about the same for pigeons and rats or maybe a lot of us! That was about my success rate too.

    • @stevenvanhulle7242
      @stevenvanhulle7242 2 년 전 +53

      IIRC there's a human tribe or tribes that just count 1, 2, many. Se non e vero... Anyhoo, it may have more to do with necessity than with capability. In certain contexts it doesn't matter whether you saw 3 or 4 lions, you saw many.

    • @hexagon8899
      @hexagon8899 년 전 +6

      i have always heard its 4, which lines up way closer with personal experience

    • @Anubis_Priest
      @Anubis_Priest 년 전 +10

      It is indeed three. That is why Roman Numerals are in sets of three: that is why four is read as "one before five".

    • @bestplayer3199
      @bestplayer3199 년 전

      Nah that’s bullshit. It’s 7 but even then you can create more groups.

  • @masterq9761
    @masterq9761 5 년 전 +1595

    Michael: Ai, you having fun?
    Ai: *punches wall*

  • @onlypearls4651
    @onlypearls4651 7 개월 전 +1

    I don't talk to other humans, but I always remember where my car is parked.

  • @jessicamerced9116
    @jessicamerced9116 2 년 전 +2

    My favorite is when Michael talks to Mai like she's a person 🥰💖

  • @niwayanprimastuti579
    @niwayanprimastuti579 5 년 전 +156

    Michael finally remembered his main account password.

  • @doc-holliday-
    @doc-holliday- 4 년 전 +1417

    Damn chimps are so much like us... they even rage quit games.

    • @CP2468
      @CP2468 4 년 전 +18

      😂😂

    • @enjoywhoyouarre4029
      @enjoywhoyouarre4029 4 년 전 +22

      You know else what? they are so jelouse if they feel the are not wining on game the can scream at you😂😂😂😂

    • @tyran5550
      @tyran5550 4 년 전 +9

      @@ilincaz1934 not really we have a common ancester so we are just similar to each other

    • @Phobos_Anomaly
      @Phobos_Anomaly 4 년 전 +2

      @@ilincaz1934 The distinction is actually meaningless.

    • @painisvergina3693
      @painisvergina3693 4 년 전 +9

      Yes they are, we share 99% dna with each other. Evolution is fact, we were not made by some great sky wizard who grants wishes

  • @abdullahyo
    @abdullahyo 년 전

    Interesting video, the bottom line is collaboration, even among humans, those cultures prosper which allow people to collaborate more than others.
    Trust helps you collaborate, lack of trust would reduce the level of collaboration.

  • @Trp44
    @Trp44 2 년 전

    Shocking that you continue to excel…so well🐦🐦🐦

  • @MrBoko1234
    @MrBoko1234 5 년 전 +442

    God bless that sweet japanese scientist, he is so sweet and its so obvious that he absolutely loves his job and loves the chimpanzees, such a good soul

    • @lucioh1575
      @lucioh1575 5 년 전 +14

      God and souls don't exist.

    • @lucioh1575
      @lucioh1575 5 년 전 +23

      Burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.
      That's epistemology 101 you dense fuck.

    • @acutepotato6792
      @acutepotato6792 5 년 전 +23

      @Alberto Murillo The person making the claim has to be the one proving it. Saying God and souls don't exist isn't a claim, it is dismissing a claim that has no evidence.

    • @TheShadowHatter
      @TheShadowHatter 5 년 전 +13

      @@lucioh1575
      "Burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.
      "
      "God and souls don't exist.
      "
      YOU'RE the one making a claim lol so the burden of proof is on you. xXFalconXx is wrong in that you dismissed a claim because OP never made a claim of God or souls existing. I say God bless you to people but it doesn't mean I believe in God. YOU made the claim that God and souls don't exist so the burden of proof is on YOU.

    • @lucioh1575
      @lucioh1575 5 년 전 +15

      Do I also need to demonstrate Thor or Osiris don't exist?
      What is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

  • @huacatluong
    @huacatluong 5 년 전 +269

    The Japanese man's voice is so calm, just like the old wise character in cartoon

  • @jean_yves_plongeur

    The best series available on KRplus

  • @michaelg.1079
    @michaelg.1079 2 년 전 +1

    Wow. The growing pains of evolution (great title for an article ok this topic btw. Maybe I will write it). Being forced into the open plains, and into danger was a big reason for the evolution of intelligence. Challenges often beget efficient solutions.