This is NOT going Well… Linux Gaming Challenge Pt.2

I would appreciate if you showed us some alternatives for peripherals like the goxlr and mouses and keyboards that work better on linux or pc hardware that works out of the box with linux. Or why not do a linux specific pc build? Anyway i love this series. ❤️ You made the linux penguin very happy 🐧❤️🙂

Canary release is basically a pre-release or beta release.

I wonder how hard Anthony laughs as he watches this whole series

protest the KRplus Dislike button removal by having a pinned comment "Like to Dislike", not that your videos need it

So challenge failed... If you need Windows to configure your peripherals and such then Linux is not a viable replacement.

As a programmer, I also relate to that phrase. "you've been trying to fix this bug for hours now, and in the end it fixed itself. You have NO IDEA what fixed it, but you couldn't care less"

I'm guessing it might be OBS getting updated to work on Wayland

This hurts when you're a tech trying to fix a laptop...

@@jjpark98 You forgot: When it solved itself, another Bug Comes Up...

These situations drive me absolutely mad because I *need* to know caused it but half the time I'm too exhausted by this point to care.

I consciously chose indie flower as my font, which is even worse lol

Yeah he fuckin did

he consciously decided to make everything italic too

not to mention that huge aliasing on it, because it's italic and nonbold

I could be wrong, but it seems to be a font for dyslexia. Not that uncommon actually.

some red-eyed dude hacks into Linus's computer and "magically" fixes everything

my code be like

Magic seems to be common in Linux. It happened a plenty while I was using it (I want to get back to it, but I got a Win10 license with my current PC and I don't want to switch until the end of support for Win10) and I know I am not the only one, askubuntu is full of "nvm, it fixed itself" posts.
Well, all that matters is that it works.

@@UltimatePerfection Happens sometimes on Windows too, probably some process needing to be restarted or possibly something to do with the order in which processes start. From my understanding of it Linux was originally built using a lot of piping since it allowed them to save memory (a small program would be loaded up and run through/manipulate data in a dataset then that program would be unloaded and another program would be loaded to do something else to the dataset and so on and so forth until the desired result was reached). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of core code in Linux still uses a lot of pipelines which might (and I'm somewhat guessing here) get messed up if part of the pipeline is restarted while the others are not.

"hey yall, I did some mining off camera"

Exactly. Doing the most simple task on terminal looks like hacking to someone who isnt familiar

@@user-gj6nq1nn1u the funniest part is how he struggled to run the bash script. The idea of giving it executable properties to use the shebang. He could’ve use the bash interpreter and done it easier haha

then it didn't work because he didn't have the rest of the files to go with it, which were probably important

yes i cringed so hard on the github part

ikr. the proper way to do it is git clone it then run the script.

Hi do you have any links to such discussions? I would be interested to read them firsthand. Thanks

As much as I love and use Linux myself, it is far from being a easy recommendation. It is definitely a niche.
Although It don't like when things don't work out of the box, I enjoy troubleshooting it. But we are definitely a minority.
Linux has come a long way and perhaps in the future it will take over the personal computer market. That would be awesome

@ExplosiveMonkey Basically, it doesn't let you indirectly uninstall system-breaking packages with the "Yes, do as I say!" prompt anymore alla what happened to Linus in the first vid. It was originally just in the Pop_OS! version of apt, but I believe it's now going into the main apt source.

Linux will never have the ux it needs for mainstream appeal. I've used it for more than two decades and can say that with absolute confidence. Cli first hurts Linux a lot

@@mattymattffs Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't people used to say that Linux was never going to be good to play games?

it works and no reason to change it

True!

The regular nvidia control panel on Windows has looked the same for ages too, and it looks similar to the one used on Linux.

It looked like that in 2001 as well from my fading memory skills.

@@ArrowGent No reason to improve... That explains a lot of things.

Yep. Luke was, and still is, a very balancing force to Linus. The two of them work so well together it's insane. I get WHY Luke transitioned to FloatPlane, but it was definitely a loss to the that side of the business, IMO.

I agree, his voice is like a soft carpet!

Yeah, there's a lot of knowledge about how to do things (and how to fix things) that a seasoned Linux user would be able to draw upon that someone new to Linux would not have. Then there's the issue of SEO where outdated or inaccurate information is returned by search engines, and in some cases this can be disastrous (e.g. fixing btrfs issues).

They can do a version with Linus Torvards himself but it doesn't change the fact that Linux softwares are generally not officially supported and inferior.

@@joo9125 it's just interesting to see the difference.

@@joo9125 True for end user applications. From a system admin or development point of view, *nix is, in my experience, a lot less frustrating.

@@zoqaeski tbh sort of - I will grant that i haven't really tried Linux on the cutting edge hardware that Linus and co. are running on, but... I was a Windows guy with a good year or two of solid Mac experience when I threw myself at Linux on my work computer and... my experience has been entirely different, and wonderful, to the point that I'm ready to ditch Windows for everything BUT gaming, and maybe even that.
It didn't shock me, for example, that Linus seemed to have more trouble than Luke with a lot of stuff, given that Luke chose a relatively mainstream Linux distribution with some decent institutional money behind it, while Linus chose a more obscure distro.

This challenge wouldn't phase you, since you recompile Linux daily.

Hi Jeff 😁

It's always wild to see people you follow as commenters on youtube.

I just like to see him squirm even with simple tasks such as downloading files off github, which even provides a convenient "download as a zip" button.
I'll gloss over the whole right click / save / open / copy paste / run nonsense, which is an indication of larger issues, completely unrelated to his legitimate Linux issues.

@@bufordmaddogtannen Hey Jeff. I wonder which is the favorite series of red shirt Jeff 🤔

That's my windows experience. With linux, as long as I don't install anything nothing changes. but then you run a package upgrade and you're not mindful enough about the updates and one of the tweaks your environment relies on gets removed or causes a conflict and the whole thing shits the bed.

@@MGosling94 The opposite also happens on windows: stuff works, but then you reboot...

Happens on MacOS too.

Computer be like that. Nice that although things have a tendency to randomly break, they also have a tendency to randomly fix themselves, I've had those that on both linux and windows.

Same but I know it was me who made the change. In wine, I chose an output device for sound as well as added windows XP compatibility mode for Diablo 1 Belzebub HD mod, and this made the sound work finally, but it "takes control" of the sound card and other package sounds won't work when Diablo is running (wine)

i knew that was its meaning, but i didnt know that's where it came from

very late but that's not a linux thing, discord has a canary version on windows too

@@hecko-yes re-read

@@alfonzom6 he doesn't have too. He's right

chrome canary, basically the alpha before chrome dev and chrome beta

Yup, I've learned its best to recommend Linux to the two extreme ends of the spectrum: People that don't require much more than a web browser at one end, and highly technical people that enjoy understanding the inner workings of their OS on the other. Basically, Nan and Pop will benefit from the increased security and stability without even noticing its not Windows, while your engineer buddy probably doesn't mind messing about for 2 hours to get an obscure piece of software working. It's the people in the middle that have the most trouble with it. Or technical people that have very specific peices of software or hardware they need to run, specifically for professional work.

One thing I think Linux users should stop claiming all the time is that "Linux is more stable than Windows". Maybe this is true for servers, but I very very rarely have to restart on Windows 10. On Linux, only 4 or 5 times I have experienced a locked system since June, 1 required a hard reset, 2 times it simply refused to shutdown (after KDE had already ended), and 2 times I had a random spike in RAM of more than 10GB. Not to mention the times I have to restart an application or the entire PC to get something like Bluetooth or ethernet working.
At the end of the day, I think it's still worth it. All the customizations, lightweight options, and usability improvements (you can force dark mode on apps that don't support it) justified the switch for me, not to mention FOSS. For one's grandma, I'd recommend Linux. Linus got in trouble because of all his fancy hardware that requires drivers.

@@srpenguinbr Windows have come a long way in stability since people said that .. Linux desktop can be stable, but if your running bleeding edge/new stuff, its not, just like a Windows beta wouldn't be ..

@@Pytte the instability in Linux and windows occurs during updates and changes to the system. The difference is that in Linux, these are user controlled, whereas in windows, it is OS and Microsoft controlled.
I think the main problem they have is that installing and getting everything set up IS more complicated, but once that's done, you're golden.

the last time someone ask me if I recommend Linux I responded "do you want to waste time fixing things?" he responded "no". so my recomendation was not to migrate to Linux, I'm used to fix shit on Linux, and know where I don't have to touch (modify files on some folders or install desktop enviroments because I'm not a Linux power user) and I learned that by breaking my system. and I get that a lot of people don't want to invest the time fixing shit just because "Microsoft bad" or "Linux is free", I think average people don't think that the windows "cons" are enough to learn a full new os

because luke is cheap hes admitted it many times

Luke is still cheap. He talks about his methodology on wan show all the time- if he doesn’t need it, or it won’t be a serious quality of life improvement to what he already uses daily. He’s honesty probably my favorite person with ltt

He is a frugal person. I'm the same way despite making well above my means. Some save for retirement others it's the way they were raised or both. I was raised in a very poor household so its just the way I have always lived. I use that saved money for retirement and my family after I pass.

@@CoffeeKadachi Any specific Wan shows where he talks about that? O:

@@Desslosh they don't often specifically talk about it. It's usually brought up as jokes but in the steam deck wan show he mentions hes already preordered it and linus makes a joke about it

Thank you for the truth

Just made the switch yesterday on my laptop (but kept my stationary Windows), and yeah it's confusing. I think the biggest problem is that all the forum posts and guides for fixing Linux issues seemed to be aimed at people who are already well-versed in the Linux world. Like, I don't even know what "sudo" means, but I know you type it almost all the time in the console thingy. Perhaps I should invest some 10-20 hours in taking some sort of intro-to-Linux online course.

@@fredrikbystrom7380 it's the same as the UAC thing that windows pops up whenever it needs administrator (aka root) previledges.. prior to Vista, pretty much everything done using a user account with administrator priveleges is done with "sudo". (which is why deleting System32 is a thing and a meme in Windows XP). Vista despite of how malaligned the UAC "feature" was the proper way of doing things, and prompted users to grant "sudo" previledges whenever something requires administrator previledges (usually writing/modifying to protected folders)

@@fredrikbystrom7380 yes there are also plenty of tutorials and articles explaining unix/linux basics.
Imagine yourselve first time seeing PC at all. Basically Linux is also OS but it has totally different paradigm.

I had the same feeling about it. It's why I eventually just googled wtf it was. "OH, Super User DO.. got it... elevated command.." But still.. In a world where the vast majority of us are used to right clicking and running as administrator, or even automatically having the prompt occur on Windows or macOS, they need to either do one of those minitutorial bits while it installs, or change it to be more intuitive.
It's fucking 2021. Act like it.

Wayland isn't using anything. It's just a protocol and there are different implementations.

I think you might be misunderstanding what "Wayland" and "Pipewire" are. Wayland is not a program but a standardized protocol (Microsoft could add a wayland WM to Windows for example). And Pipewire is both a protocol and a program implementing this protocol for a media server. You can use PW with X and you do not need to use PW and a Wayland WM.

Window capture can get really annoying on Linux. I have came across many issues with GNOME 42/43 window capture especially.

He's learning.

Manjaro or Arch is one of the worst environments to go feet wet in as a first time user.
A lot of the guides you find are for Ubuntu so you will have to know and how to adapt it, and it is a variant of Linux that is built for terminal operation.
And the reason for that is that Arch' philosophy is to only give you a basic amount of packages to boot the system, then you add what you need for various functionality.

@@CMDRSweeper I disagree. I started out on Manjaro as a new user and it was an unstable mess. But that forced me to learn how to fix things. And that's what made me an experienced Linux user. Yeah, Debian based distros are more stable, but this "hold your hand Ubuntu land" mindset leads to a boring asf desktop experience.

Linus needs to go back to windows like the other braindead users. Linux is not for someone who isn't willing to think for a living.
I'm so disappointed in him.

@@CMDRSweeper Which is why he chose it. Linus deliberately chose the distro that was going to paint Linux in a bad light because too many of his sponsors are windoze dependent.

Yeah. Lots of the stuff that lacks first party support lacks it because they're closed codebases or otherwise use proprietary methods. But because linux doesn't get used by a lot of people, 1st party software is never developed, so people don't start using linux and it jsut repeats

yea, this is the real crappy bit. There's plenty of good FOSS on Linux (obs comes to mind), but when paired with shitty drivers for your devices.. well, you're gonna have trouble.

Good point. In the past, Linus has released vidoes to review a new tech gadget that might work GREAT on a Mac iPhone, but terrible on Windows or Android. Certain new-aged headphones or earbuds come to mind. In those videos he'll highlight and mention the software (and hardware) was designed and inteded for a different OS. HOWEVER, even though the same is true of Linux he doesn't seem to notice. The thing is he has staff and contacts (Luke Lafur, Anothy Young) who really should know this already and need to mention it.

Are you the famous Braiam from Stack Overflow???

When it comes to audio gear - i make sure to only buy stuff that follows standard USBHID Audio Class protocol, as its guaranteed to work and work well. Either way, any piece of hardware ill include Linux support as a part of my research before i buy the items.
The GoXLR is just not a good investment for me... but a behringer UMC22 for a XLR MIcrophone Connection? and a Korg nanoKontrol2 standard MIDI controller for physical faders? Perfect, flawless, absolutely no issues. Just do the audio processing in software via JACK (its better than pulse alone, and i prefer it over direct use via OBS)

RIP Terry. May Holy C be compiled on many PCs.

Linus is conflating "different from what you're used to" with "complex."
Some problems don't have simple solutions.

A literal schizophrenic racist

@@edgay Schizophrenia made him paranoid and delusional, and sadly it caused him to believe that racism was a way to fight back against perceived malicious actors and forces. Mental illness isn't pretty. He was otherwise a brilliant man, and his mental decline was incredibly unfortunate.

"Unix is simple, it just takes a genius to understand its simplicity."

You ain't ever lied! Lol even epic games store. I couldn't make it work. Then it foux work. I installed games and was very happy. Next day it was back to its old problems

My cycle is doesn’t work/try to fix it multiple times/works or works/works

Same but before that i have been watching some linux youtube channels reactions. 🙂

@@nebulous962 can you point me to some? I mostly only watch Level1 for linux stuff, so I haven't seen many reactions.

@@NaGeLxZ I like TechHut and Brodie Robertson. Chris Tech Tips and Distrotube are also good. I was recommended to watch DJ Ware, but I felt he was a little more technical than I was ready for and he seemed to take Linus’s series the most personal.

@@NaGeLxZ i was too slow. John c gave some good recommendations 🙂

@@NaGeLxZ gardiner bryant is also good. 🙂

This is exactly the reason why scrips aren't automatically executable until you grant them permission, but I guess Linus doesn't care about security that much lol

Yeah that one struck me to, for someone that is used to do server maintenance on a regular basis i am more than once astonished by the well rounded knowledge of both hardware and software from lLnus. Not knowing how to run an sh script seems rather dumb, until you indeed realize that it is something that is completely unintuitive for an non linux user. It is the small things that we are so used to just as the issue Linus encountered afther that. Which was probably an line ending issue which forced linus to copy his file to an text editor and save again.

Truly a completely different world on Linux. The "learning how to walk" phase is absolutely brutal over there, and a big part of it is that a big part of the community hates teaching people how to walk. Granted, Windows has that phase as well, it's just that virtually everybody learns how Windows functions at a young age and it becomes a fully intuitive process.
That said, as long as linux lacks definitive executables and requires some sort of per-distro compilation, it's going to be bad for the average person. A whole lot of room for failure and it doesn't matter how polished up it gets unless it truly becomes 100% smooth. Honestly, I'd argue that polished up linux is easier to use than windows (the package managers are incredible, and the way updates are handled is truly great, and as long as your hardware works with open source drivers, the experience is much better than windows), but the moment something goes wrong or enters unsupported territory, linux borderline requires a computer science background and windows doesn't have that same problem, and it will always be that way as long as the core architecture of the platform stays the same. Would love to be proven wrong one day though.

It's _also_ a skill to know that .html is what makes a web page or that .exe makes an executable on Windows, so it's not like he was entirely fair...
(case in point: the default is to hide extensions on windows)

you said ..."if Linus, who is really is well versed in tech..." I'd say he's really well versed in Consumer Tech like smart phones, TVs, gaming monitors and gaming gadgets in general. He has a staff to "figure out" all the technical details behind the scenes.

Some good points. I run a dual boot and whenever in Windows 10 I'm always surprised how laggy it is with so many useless background tasks running. Some things are easier to get to run on Windows, some on Linux. But when they run on Linux it's a buttery smooth experience, not the case on Windows.

These are the types of Linux users I appreciate, I just started dabbling with Linux Mint, and had a painful experience getting a USB Wifi Adapter to work. It was compatible with Linux but the install disc was a pain to work with. Rather than having an .exe file to just click on, I had to unzip 2 folders from the disk onto my computer, tried running the script it came with(after having to learn how to even run an .sh file as a script) only for it to not work. 3 hours later, I had to look up the chipset of the device and search google until I found an article telling what commands you can punch into the terminal to install the chipset drivers and finally, I had Wifi for my computer.
While it's a bit discouraging, I will definitely keep exploring the world of Linux, and may use along side Windows.

Linux only falls apart when distro devs tries to make "user friendly desktop distros" - Linux should stick to point 3 and stay there.

So Windows and Mac is superior to Linux by your analogy. Nice. I'll take a ready made car with any transmission over building one that's not going to work anyways.

@@kvin9210 I didn't say anything about superiority. When you get down to it, Linux would 'win' by default simply because practically all of the servers that make up the internet are running it. In other words, you're using Linux whether you like it or not.

weren't graphical user friendly operating systems made because normal people didn't want to us msdos? and do everything with prompts, which needed a certain understanding of syntax? if a operating system doesn't have it, you haven't even entered the 90s. i can understand security and being open source, but that's better for servers ran by experts, and not desktop consumers. the whole linux elitism on desktop just doesn't make sense.

​@@oraclejmtIt's not that distro devs fail. Native distro software works flawlessly, but pop os and steam had somehow created a weird issue which steam fixes later on. The real issue is commercial softwares maker not testing their product on Linux and not supporting it. And nvidia is whole another issue.

The experience is what you can make of it. When I go camping in the wilderness I have a good time. I eat well, I have decent accommodations and enjoy it. But it's still the great outdoors. You're in the elements with wild animals, insects, etc. You're living in the dirt. It takes a special kind of mentality to cope. You have to make allowances.

Yeah I feel this needs to be recognized that everything (or the majority of stuff) is being done for free by programmers without the end user in mind. The art of the botch as Tom Scott would put it. Their goals are to get it working, not to refine it to perfection for the end user. With only 1% - 2% adoption by desktop users, it's pretty amazing everything works this good. If adoption were to increase I feel like a lot of these issues would quickly get fixed with the increased attention to the platform.

We don't need their support becauz we don't need their proprietary GARBAGE anyway. They can keep that shit to themselves.

And when It's made by devs, user experience is left unattended making it horrible. To a tech savy dev it won't but to most A/B-tier windows power users and below, it'll be confusing and frustrating.

Companies ha e no real incentive tho and it would require a tone of extra staff/overhead to make all of their software and device compatible with even just the most popular distros
If linux wants a wider general adoption and support they need to have more synergy between distros and at the very least stop the community gate keeping

Precisely. Poorly designed software isn't inherent to windows or Linux, it's more about what kind of effort was put into the program.

Example: Nvidia.

@@Raleighthrbub123 It's really interesting with Linux as, according to a capitalistic market, these distros as a free product really shouldn't exist. Most the work is done by people who freely give their time and expertise to make the platform better which doesn't make a whole lot of sense in our money driven world.
But it IS AWESOME!!! Like the gaming MOD communities, I have a lot of respect and appreciation for these kinds of people in the digital space.

Yes! And with more and more people switching over, companies will have no choice but to do that.
Here's to hoping it happens in the next 5 years :)

@@Artanis667 Even in a pure capitalist market sometimes it just makes sense to give something away. You get goodwill, new community members and contributions, basically free work!

Top tip. Don't use hardware that is not supported, and don't complain about people who try to make that unsupported hardware work for you.

They already do, lol

Pretty much.
Especially with the whole OSS/Alsa/PulseAudio fiasco going on.

amen

Well, they’re not short. They’re just very drawn out, practically nothing was covered in this video, it’s appalling

@@shaheenshaikh8368 gave you a dislike

Moooorrrreeee

I agree with you

@@mrfoxycracker4836 you hurt the spambot's feelings, you monster!

Please watch the WAN show, they discuss this in detail.

​@@blazer192837 they recreated the WRONG actions in the video and it was same as described in WAN show
this correct description of the situation

@@freespam9236 Please watch the WAN show, they discuss this in detail.

The WAN show comments blew my mind with how ignorant people are. If a repository owner wants the end user to download a file, they're supposed to make a release for it. Releases are for releases. Telling the user to download a file in the code itself is pathetic. It's 100% a repository owner problem and 0% a GitHub problem. Almost 100% of the time, if you want to access the code, you're supposed to be downloading all the code at once, usually with git clone. Otherwise, if you ever need to download just one file from the code, then yeah, use the Raw button to get the raw file and press Ctrl+S to save it, no copy and pasting needed.
This is the repository owner's fault, under no circumstance should a user be required to download a file in the source code itself, the source code is for coding, aka developers, the releases are for new releases, aka users.

@@PeterNjeim yes, it is the same problem when people blames Linus not take notice when the package managers tells him not install the package, because it is a bad idea, and he FORCES the CLI to do that, because Linus claims he knows what he do. And he obviously didn't. No, that is not Pop! OS fault, nor apt. It is Linus for not reading the warnings.
Yes, it isn't his fault for not knowing. But it is his fault for not reading the warnings, and just dully enter any text to continue to do what the software say is a bad idea.

Anthony is an experienced person, he will make mistakes, but he will blame himself for making them. :)

@@dashcharger24 Which is not the point of the series. Linux fanboys on so much copium it's insane lmao

@@bloxxor420 Enjoy being a corporate slave.

@@ohayosumodayton1226 That's the best you can come up with? I hope you don't have the biggest tracking/data stealing device known as a smartphone in your pocket, freedom guy.

YES!

Linux mint failed horribly with the proprietary drivers with my 3080ti. So it's no magic bullet as the kernel and drivers are outdated. I went back to Win10

- MANJARO HAS APT-GET INSTALELD?

Second class citizen catch 22? What's that about?

@@nickgrishin2068 thats talking about hardware and software that has no official support. So even if they can get them working ( -like Discord- , and Linus's GoXLR) they generally don't have full functionality.
Edit: I was mistaken on Discord not having a native client, A quick google search shows they started supporting Linux some time in 2018/19. I'm not really a Linux user, I was just trying to explain what was meant by "second class citizen catch 22"

@@nickgrishin2068 Since linux has so few users relative to windows or macos its not worth it for companies to develop specifically for it, which leads to fewer users since there is no official support which leads to the company not developing the software and so on and so forth. Hence its a catch22 or a positive feedback loop.

I’ve dealt with differences in sampling rate between programs on Windows before. Not too strange of an issue

Of course this should be something that would happen automagically. OBS reads the audio config file of the mint instance.

I had problems with earlier iteration of discord as it kept changing the default volumes in Ubuntu 18.04. Now using Pop OS 19.04 or above and there hasn't been such an issue. It's still weird but I've not tried to mess with alsa or pulseaudio that much either as I got new mic, which didn't need any changes.

Then it shouldn't be an issue in the future since the future will bring Pipewire to every desktop. ^^'

@@ArdgalAlkeides Fair comment in this situation for sure. Maybe the sample rate being off duplicated the audio somehow? My experience with OBS is only within a windows OS lens... Which may have caused me to not immediately jump to this issue.

Yeah i thought notifications are suppose to work. I use mint and they work perfectly fine. I was kinda confused why he said they are not working.

Then one might ask "why does it default to streamer mode with no indicator when obs opens". Another point of troubleshooting where it could be a million things and it just happens to be the one you as an end user didn't even think about.

@@nebulous962 Pretty much anything that uses notifications in linux should work out of the box, since linux makes it so easy to send notifications in multiple different ways. You can type notify-send "message" into the console and get a notification.

@@LycanEnforcer intresting 🤔

@@Real_MisterSir Discord SHOULD indicate it via a banner at the top of Discord, tho. That's always what happens over here.

Yeah, it's really a developer tool. Pulling stuff from Git to fix something in your OS is usually not a good idea. Use your package manager or pick a better distro if nothing works in your current one. That said, git clone Just Works(tm).

@@perkl1234 Sure, as long as you aren't cloning garbage... or malware :-/

I mean, you're not incorrect in what you said, but because so few people in the grand scheme uses Linux, regardless of whether or not it's a Linux based problem, it might as well be a Linux based issue as these issues don't crop up as frequently or in the same ways on Windows or even Apple OS.

Unfortunately Windows Phone died because of that. People want the apps, not the os

@@RegalPixelKing they don't exactly because they're more common, that's the point

Apple seems to have done it so there's hope.

@@haxwithaxe Well... Apple was like a spoiled kid in the past, crying for adobe updates like hell. They were annoying but that's the only way to make it work.

Yeah its hardly fair to expect something to work when it's enthusiasts reverse engineering it for free to make it work on linux vs the company who made the product supporting it on windows but at the same time its still something people who want to use linux just need to live with, at least for now

That doesn't explain linux specific issues like UI/UX that should have been dealt with decades ago...*nix users have been so "function over form" they can't be damned to learn how to combine the two for easy and powerful tool/system creation.

Agree, but support what version of linux? and that is the problem with the OS, there is no version or distro of linux that is user friendly enough to justify supporting it, I have a laptop with a linux distro and I like using it for some projects...but for the rest my personal computer will never be Linux, that will be just complicating my life for no reason at all.

**Hopefully** that will start to change soon now that Valve is more involved in Linux. Just hope that we get flat packs from them instead of releasing SteamOS packages.

It's not just peripherals they are worrying about. But this is the reality of Linux for it not being good enough to the average users.

not quite true, in unix OSs you can change the file extension to whatever you like, the OS know what type of file it actually is from a magic number in the file properties identifying the file type

he really shouldn't have used manjaro as his first distro as anyone who remotely knows linux will say. don't get me wrong arch is great but a static release distro is gonna be much more reliable

But a static release distro usually has way too old software. In Linux world that means GPU drivers too. That's why I chose Manjaro for my notebook and I never regret my decision.

​@@V1tol I run Mint and have added additional repositories for Linux kernel and the Mesa library, so the most important software in terms of gaming performance is up to date, and if you're on Nvidia there's a PPA for the proprietary drivers too.
I've tried Manjaro with KDE before and the best part of the experience was definitely the AUR, but KDE itself was just too buggy and I'm sure Linus will complain more about it in part 3.

@@sus-ln1nm i know lol, i use vanilla arch

@@rin0751 ok so you know how Manjaro basically delays packages by 1 week compared to Arch? Yeaaah..... that won't end well for Linus

the ones for this video probaly wont be...

@@harm363H And for good reason.

@@pfred_ i know, i hope they wont be nice. Linus is unreasonable in this one

@@pfred_ what is that "good reason"?

@@wajdzikus linus is just trying to get people angry in this one. No other possible explanation.
The whole goxlr thing, that's just pure bait.

why on earth not just call it the 'alpha' or 'nightly' release? At least most people will know that alpha is pre-beta and nightly is kind of self-explanatory.

It comes from the "Canary in the coal mine"... i.e. it's considered a dangerous build (alpha or beta quality)

Chrome Canary is same.

@@Steamrick a, b, c

@@Steamrick It's mostly semantics at this point, but a nightly is a completely automated process with a version each night, and a canary is a bit more manual. Both are the bleedingest of bleeding edge, with potentially unstable and incomplete features, but a canary build can be released more or less frequently depending on the rate of development or breaking bugs, while a nightly is strictly one version per day.
The name canary is meant to evoke canaries in coal mines, where users are the canaries that detect the presence of bugs/toxic gas

Why would you want people moving to Linux when it's obviously not ready yet?

@@Erik-em9oz if no one moves to it developers won't care to develop on Linux any further then the bare minimum or not at all.

Agreed. There's far too much of either gapping or overlapping of features, some of the latter that cause conflicts. It's been a few years since I've used Linux, but that's really only because I liked the challenge of getting it to work properly. Now that I'm past that and just want things to work when I want them to work, I'm back to Windows.

Fragmentation is good imo.
At least there are always alternatives. If you can't choose, just choose a mainstream distro, like Ubuntu, Mint or Manjaro. If you don't like fragmentation, don't worry about it that much.

​@@matyasmarkkovacs8336the issue os that fragmeantaion means software support is even spottier than it would otherwise be
And for most normal people distro hopping is an absurd suggestion
Something doesnt work? Just reinstall everything(and maybe even relearn a diffrent UI) and maybe it might work

@@zjanez2868 It's not that big deal. The biggest differences between the distributions are the package managers, the DEs and how often they get new feature updates. Just choose an easy distro which you like and you'll be fine. Usually Mint, Zorin, MX and Manjaro are good choices for an average user.

It would probably either be a one part "series", where everything works out, or a lengthy one where he explains what he's doing. I'm down for both of it

Anthony already daily drives Linux from what I understand... he uses Arch. Once you know enough about Linux setting up a new system is a snap... process is far-far easier then Windows, makes it easy to distro hop.

Honestly, I suspect it wouldn't be too hard for Anthony to do the same things from scratch. For example, Linus did that thing with Windows in a VM to get his key mapping and RGB. I'd probably just install ckb-next and instantly have key mapping and RGB control (including animations) for my keyboard.

A bit pointless tho aint it.
Person who knows how to use software uses software.

To prove what point? If you put in the effort, you have earned your place? Because if so, I'll tell you the BSD machine that I have running in my VMWare env at home is da shit...

As in "canary in a coal mine."

It's like on Windows when you install a major update less than 6 months after release

Why not call it nightly then?

@@DeKempster because nightly implies its released every night. Canaries are for continuous release cycles but not on a specific schedule

@@DeKempster idk, but Google Chrome calls theirs Canary too

How's it going so far?

​@@MrKilljay I hate to admit defeat, but I've given up and switched back to Windows. The WiFi card in my PC didn't seem to be detected by Linux. It's a laptop, so I can't easily do much about it.

@@blackravenX Yeah. Wi-Fi is a huge pain in the butt with Linux. I've had many devices that I couldn't use Linux on because of that. Maybe try following this guide will help krplus.net/bidio/k9mMc4WRdGqzlnI

​@@blackravenX you got lucky, when I was switching to linux mint I accidentally deleted windows 10. now I can't find a way to get it back. I've contemplated throwing my laptop at the wall a few times lol

@@Jurran That's to bad :/
Do you want your old Windows back or simply install a new one?
For the first I would go to some data recovery company next to you, if you don't live to local, they could help me very well once; for the second case, simply make a bootstick and format the hard drive

That's great and makes sense. But the average Linux noob will NOT know that. It's better for programmers to use common terms like "test" or "beta".

@@sayrith its called canary on Windows too tho lol

@@GiffyHD Show me where it says that

@@sayrith
If you take the download link to the Windows Discord installer but replace channel=stable with channel=canary it'll download the canary version instead. AFAIK there's no option on the website because unlike Discord PTB (the official beta) they really don't offer any support for Canary.

Like Stable -> Release Candidate -> Beta -> Alpha -> Nightly/Canary is a very common hierarchy of version stability, it's not just a Linux thing, it's a software thing.

Linus won't do that, because it will make him look stupid.

They kinda discussed it in one of the last wan shows

Google uses the same "canary" term for Chrome dev builds.
It's a reference to "the canary in the coal mine", used to detect dangerous gases before they kill the miners. Users of the canary branch detect bugs before they get into the official release.

I was so much hoping that he would have learned to curl | bash there :)

But it also shows his stupidity. This can happen also on any other site with links. When you try to save as a link to somewhere you do not know it can return a webpage or a file. Do not assume things.
This isnt a Linux issue. You can download a webpage under Windows also and try to "run" it. Blaming Linux on his own stupidity is even more stupid.

yeah it reminds me of my first steps into github, had the same issue as well.

@@TaaviJuursalu No, normal people will think that .sh file is like an .exe binary. So linux tried downloading it and failed running it.

@Prince Cooper Can confirm, built Android from the source in junior high and high school. Been using Linux since junior high also. Tired of people catering to unreasonable amounts of laziness/lack of understanding

Can confirm, I've started to get a lot more patience with computers because if I wasn't then nothing was gonna get done so when something just works after restarting I don't even question it

@@JihadiJesus Apart from some weird hardware-related issues, I don't think I've ever experienced a bug in Linux that would be fixed by restarting it. Either it works consistently or it's broken consistently.

My Ubuntu network driver uninstalls itself once a month, no idea why. I have a install script on my desktop to fix it

@@ErikBrocko In my case it's overthinking something, giving up and later retrying in simpler way.

🤡🤡🤡

surprised hes never seen that before as they have a canary build for windows too.

"Canary" in the "coal mine"

Yes Canary branded means bleeding edge. Linus acts dumb when he could provide actually useful information.

@@renvolt They obviously know what it means, it’s just that sometimes playing it dumb works better for the flow of the video.

Spotted a wild silly 👀

I've always felt rule one with Linux is buy supported hardware.
It rewards manufacturers who bother and the experience improves 10 fold.
All this accessing about with Windows only hardware and blaming the developers of the operating system seems really unfair.
If I bought the Linux Super Box 5000, plugged it into Windows, got the 'no drivers' error and moaned on a Microsoft forum, what do we all think the outcome would be?
And I would UTTERLY deserve the flaming too.

@@JamesNeave1978 This is the issue, they have no intention of using GNU/Linux and will make zero investment in using it. This video is simply for clicks and nothing more. None of what is said is a revelation.

Noone does, Anthony was let to rest for this challenge

That will defeat the purpose of this series

Linus lol. Luke doesn't seem to have such a bad experience xD

@@shaheenshaikh8368 wht is dis, why you pasting random links like that ?

@@ncmgamer5398 True, but didn’t they mention on WAN Show that they‘ll do an extra part for SteamOS?

I would have thought he had to download the entire repo (the upper right green button and download zip) for the install script to work because of the other files in the repo.
It would probably be easier anyway.

Git Hub tends to be the headquarters of people trying to fill in the gaps in support that major companies are reluctant to fill.

@@CapsAdmin depends on the project, tbh. Many provide a script that reaches back to the git repo to get the other parts automatically. Most that provide a script also provide the shell commands for copy-paste to download and run it, so it is somewhat poor luck Linus ran across one that does not.

open bash
git clone
boom, done

@@EliasEpicWin yea .. I was watching openmouthed at what's linus doing. with it

Dont u just need to (left)click on it and then right click -> save? :D

@@copypaste4097 well he could have went to the sh, clicked on raw, and ctrl s but I think Linus should use the terminal because it's faster (also he should've just done what it said in the readme)

@@ohgodmanyo4662 this. All that waltz around saving the file, opening, and complaining. Not even my father is so inept at using computers and saving files and he is pushing 80. This has nothing to do with Linux, it's about Linus inability to use a browser and Google stuff along the lines of "how do I download single files off github" and "how do I run a script on INSERT_OS".

​@@bufordmaddogtannen But Linus did search.. Did you not watch the video at the top of the page?

@@Ironpants57 it looks like you missed the part where the maintainer of the repository helped Linus download the script he needed, and the absurd waltz he did to get a .sh file. That has nothing to do with being able to use Linux.
There are several ways he could have accomplished this, one being left clicking on the file, then manually copying the contents in an editor and saving the file to something.sh.
Or as mentioned earlier click on the raw icon, then save the file as it is.
But no. Let's do right click, save, open, change the file, complain it's html, do some dance, copy it into an editor, save it as something.sh then complain how difficult it was, because Linux.
Edit: i just googled "how do I download single files off github" and an endless stream of knowledge unfolded on my screen.
Problem: it involves reading the solution, which is something Linus seems allergic to as he has the tendency to just wing it.

SO true.

DAVINKI??

You can say it's a... DaVinci Resolve.

that's exactly what I thought every time they mentioned something magically fixed itself. I'll hardly ever leave anything alone like that without figuring out either exactly how it got fixed or exactly what broke it because if I don't, then the next time it happens to break itself it'll be a month or a year later and I'll have totally forgotten how to go about fixing it and it can result in some nasty downtime

Exactly. I've installed Linux on a few different machines now, including virtual machines, and there is always some unique issue with each one. While that isn't unheard of on Windows, it is a much more uniform experience over there. I personally HATE when the issue unexpectedly resolves itself too. If I don't know HOW to fix it then it gives me a bad feeling going forward.

Andriod is a linux curnel

Truth 💯

@@ThePapaja1996
As someone that manages a couple of hundreds of android devices, android is a cluster fuck as well

Yeah, I'm not sure what Linus is trying to accomplish here, but it doesn't seem to be using Linux.

As a developer, I know what you mean - but this is not really acceptable for a end-user like Linus. Maybe have two versions of the script - one “real” one, and another that just clones the git repo and runs the same thing.

@@bakedbeanfanclub They should provide a one liner bash to download and execute it LOL

Came to say this; Linus is really not on the level typically expected of people who use these repos yet. The argument of "it requires non-trivial knowledge to use Github which can't be expected of novice users" is fair enough, but what he did there was bit painful to watch.

@@Lodinn Yeah, if he just clicks that “install.sh”, he will be able to download that with one click.

@@jiahaoxu6356 They shouldn't ideally. That's developer's repo, project and he has target audience in mind for his project. And there is nothing wrong with this as github is for developers. Honestly issues like this should be solved at distro level: it's distro which should easy single button solution.
But we don't live in that ideal world. At least some nice folks sent PRs to the project, so now readme has proper installation instructions.

Honest question: what’s incredible about it?

What are you video editing with?

@@codycast mucho worko my frien. I also like it, while sometimes forgetting how much work is done to make it this good.

Watching them use Linux is like watching a grandma try to use a PC

@@PennsylvaniaEAS that's not a good look for an OS

@@colto2312 1: I can many others can use GNU + Linux no problem
2: Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added,

@@PennsylvaniaEAS If I may interject....

@@PennsylvaniaEAS yo haven't seen that pasta in the last 20 minutes thanks for posting

@Watcher so is visual studio code, but it's open source. Git is also open source.

Awesome. So it shouldn’t be used by everyone.

@Watcher most of the linux distros are not using github, but their own repositories

@Watcher TIL Linus created Git

@Watcher You must be fun at parties. Our pokemon friend here just said he just learned that fact because of you smartie pants. TIL = today I learned

Running a shell script is super easy. (# file path..../install.sh)

Well, an issue is that, as much as people like to proclaim "linux community" there is not one in the way people think there is.
If you get 5 people using windows, they'll all expect the same thing out if it, but that isn't the case for linux.
You have hard-core software devs, gamers, sys administrators, and a lot more random types of people using it in different ways.
For some, a solid GUI is paramount and the terminal is bad, but for others a gui is worthless and easy terminal use all they nees

@@CaptainHalodude actually doing it in a Terminal is even easier if you right click on the folder to which the install.sh is located and say open in Terminal them run the ./install.sh command as long as you are root

These issues are not caused by Linux. It's caused by third party developers neglecting Linux. It's like if Garmin didn't support Ford vehicles, so you had to do a hack job to get your GPS device physically installed.

@@CaptainSunFlare Though to counter that, the reason why Linux server is widely used is because there's normally only one way of doing things and it does it very well and the terminal is very consistent as-well.

Yeah, he should do a series building on this, where he look into the issues and find the alternatives or work arounds to get it to work.

Pretty sure Anthony is pretty maxed out on workload.

Only if your usage was needing those extra resources. If you have high specs and like 32gb of RAM, then it wouldn't make much difference

@@DoubleOhSilver power usage for one
having more spare resources avail generally makes EVERYTHING run smoother
for example, by not having more windows background processes i can run games like cyberpunk way easier (of course without proper RTX because Nvidia is not a good company) or just browsing is much smoother for me, bootup times are way quicker etc etc; by using less bloatware resources your just freeing everything else up for everything important.

A common problem is comparing "ram in use" with nothing running, and thinking lower is better. If anyone makes a statement like this, it's a safe bet you can ignore anything they say about performance.
OS performance and resource allocation at the application level is an extremely fiddly, basically impossible to usefully measure field. The state of the art is measuring game FPS etc, which is at least as much the driver and game port quality.
Lower level you have some much clearer results: Linux is far more efficient and faster at file system (eg list directories, open files) and processes, while Windows is far more efficient and faster at file io (read and writing already open files) and threading. The result of this is Linux software that's optimized for lots of files and processes runs like a three legged dog when ported directly to Windows. Linux is starting to catch up on thread scheduling and adding faster io apis though, and it is unlikely Windows can do the same in the other direction for a few reasons (though I'd love to see it)

what's a nightly build?

@@llll-lk2mm Software is "built," a.k.a. converting the human readable source to machine executable. Many companies do this automatically overnight with any changes that were done during the previous day. Nightly builds typically have only unit testing (automated tests that were written into the code to test functionality), so if new bugs are introduced, that is the place to see them. However, nightly builds will be where you see the newest functionality added.

@@darylsonnier658 ahh so like unstable builds or betas or sth

Came to verify someone posted this info. If anyone wonders why "canary", think "canary in the coal mine".

@@llll-lk2mm Basically, although in this case it's alpha, so even more testing..y..testy? Even more test.

this tbh. i wish companies gave a damn about linux but they really don't. well hopefully the steam deck makes them reconsider

Holy fuck this guy gets it. Seems like a GUI issue, why no download button?
Also, the road goes both ways on the linux versus companies fault. Major distros are companies too, not with as much money, nor power, but its will also be your fault when your product isn't working for its customers. Thats just how shit works.

@@blazer192837 there is a download as zip button on the main page of every repo...Linus is just making things hard for himself

@@Atropos148 well, the guide told him to download that single script file, so why would he download the whole repo?

In Github, there is a download button if you click into the file (although, its labelled as 'raw' not 'download').
The double-edge sword of getting things designed for Windows working on Linux is that there is often a workaround out there, but you will often need a workaround too.

This just... Sucks Soo bad.
Why is different packages effect different behavior? They all do the same thing, install an App.
It just mind numbing and no end user should go through this
Even Windows have no issue of this caliber, just.. .exe, that's it

I actually think this might unironically be true... Linux Mint might be objectively the best version of Desktop Linux.

tbh it is more do not use manjaro

I like PopOS. That it crashed for Linus due to a steam bug that only lasted a couple of hours / days is very unfortunate. I feel like Manjaro was a very poor choice.

@@seifenspender it was most likely already fixed and would of never been a problem is Linus simply updated his system after installing Pop OS.

@@someguy4853 To be fair to linus though, he didnt have enough experience to know to do that, which is part of the problem. LOVE linux, but its true that the barrier to entry is rough if youre not comfortable tinkering

You can say that but its slowly going away. Since companies like AMD and valve started support. Its brought me back since 2008 when I left it. I only keep windows around because I have CAD work on it. Everything else linux.