I forgot to make a video about this $150,000 server

Oh 21 seconds ago.... anyways side note. A spring cleaning video once a year would be pretty cool :D

I hope you had safety sandals on.

So, should I change my spinning discs to cheap optane?

hey

it's ok linus, next time just don't stub your toe

Hate it when that happens

me too 😔

Same, it’s always in my laundry room cupboard

I always wondered why I was in debt

This is how things you don't own get sold at a company. Honestly Linus transparency is nice but just do yourself a favor and avoid the target and leave stuff like that out of the video..

Intel u owe me a 10900k still, that RMA process was not user error.

No, I'm Intel. And so is my wife.

Intel you still need to give me that 14900k

intel, you forgot to refund me my $300,000, when are you going to do?

I am Sparta... _whoops, I meant..._ Intel! Yes, I am Intel.

I wonder if the price was an "inherent issue" with the technology or due to economics of scale

​@@fish3977 I feel like it's always economies of scale. I doubt it's particularly exotic under the hood, just different enough to need new manufacturing lines.

it's cheaper to buy more servers and scale horizontally and you will get much higher IOPS.. ofc if you are using distributed database..

@@djordje1999 When it came out it was a pretty unique thing for a while. But essentially yeah, a year or two later you could just slap NVMe's in a bunch of servers and shard/fragment/split the workload. Optane still good for latency like they demonstrated but I just never saw much of a need for it. I don't think most workloads are sensitive enough to tell the difference between 10ms and 1ms latency. If it is you just throw terabytes of real ram at it now and solve the persistency issue another way.

@@fish3977Partially economies of scale, partially Intel trying the same con they tried once with Rambus again. (Trying to use their market domination to break in a new memory tech with a tonne of patent baggage which means any companies not in on the con are very reluctant to try and figure out manufacturing the stuff unless they have to.)
It's a real shame honestly, if it became a true standard free from any single company then it'd have a whole range of uses across the board. Even on my main desktop I wouldn't mind getting a 128GB PCIe drive to use as a dedicated swap device; the latency means it'd be faster than anything else used for swap even much newer NVMe SSDs, the write endurance would benefit that kind of usage and the non-volatility would allow it to remain suitable for hibernation and the like.

I think their point is that the system will have to refill that RAM on every boot, which requires a lot more writing than a storage drive that would just keep it around.

The IRS forgot about the 150k server too

Waiting for another 20 min segment of Linus raging on the WAN show.

Fuck.. you got here first.

"Why do we still have this server, Linus?"
"Take a guess, Luke."
"Because you can write it off?"
"Because I can write it off."

Glad to see someone else read between the lines

SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON

lmao so true

or PSU manufacturers uses different pinouts on their power supplies, not even within the same model now

That's also assuming they even still call it ports. AT&T when I worked for them insisted on calling them pinholes. That was annoying as hell having to translate between their stupid kb articles (which any of the untrained techs would adhere to) and the actual naming.

That sounds like the horizontal shuffle too.

The pricing did not help either. It was super expensive. Even now the only PCIe 4.0 Optane model you can buy (P5800X) costs you a nice $800+ used for mere 400GB.
Not to mention Intel's stupid decision to keep it to themselves and not license the technology out to other manufacturers,. They could be making a buck on every Optane sold for decades. Instead they are now stuck with half a billion dollar inventory most people dont want.

They entirely forgot that Optane isn't actually dead, but now a spun off company named Solidigm.

@@sbrazenor2Optane - is dead. The SSD division than intel sold is called Solidigm. Two different things.
Optane was the marketing name. 3DXpoint was the technology name and "Phase Change Memory" was the technology itself.
Theoretically someone else could develop something based on this technology in the future.

You won't believe what I found in my basement last weekend. 5 floor-to-ceiling packed pallets with sealed optane drives. That's 3 more pallets than I found two days earlier in the basement.

if that division is gone and they liquidated inventory then he has to do the vid this fiscal quarter. Now it has a business purpose and likely keeps it from being a $150k gift. 😂😂😂

HMRC isn't going to let them just expense a $150,000 server, gotta capitalize and depreciate.

Your not that special

We might get cheap screwdrivers tho

@@Senthiuz it's a bit outside of their jurisdiction

love how everyone is saying this 😂 makes sense considering most sql dbs are just huge hashtables

Well for 4k video 6tb probably is not enough, as I suppose they have multiple editors working at once. But the steam cache is probably a good idea! However networking will limit the speed substantially, I think... And latency is not a benefit if you just want to grab 120gb of the newest cod...? Hm just thinking out loud. What do you think?

floatplane cache....

same found a couple in my cats bed

I should check inside my GameCube.

Yeah, my dog sniffed one up too
Don't know how he trained for that though...

Accidentally choked on one while eating breakfast

I can’t go to a yard sale without tripping over a couple

RIP in peace to that guy

​@@ChristianStout Rest In Peace in Peace? LoL

​@@nocturn9x Don't you mean lol out loud?

@@Alejandro192011🤣

yea, lol= lol out loud, so that means lol out loud out loud which means lol out loud out loud out loud, etc etc etc
@@Alejandro192011

we are kin -LS

no other reply let me fix that

No other "other" reply, let me fix that.

No other "other "other"" reply. I will fix nothing

Must be nice to afford an attic after buying one of these, I could only afford a basement. Fml

Gorram verse is too cruel

Browncoats unite!

Doubleplusunshiny

It's still too soon for that

Kinda makes me sad honestly.

It didn't help that like Linus mentioned, they locked it down to only making sense when paired with their top tier CPUs. It didn't make sense having 1TB support when like mentioned, you could easily just buy 1TB of server RAM anyway. They also didn't help themselves in the consumer space by locking it down to only working on Optane approved motherboards (which meant it locked out AMD CPU users from using it as it was intended). Proprietary tech is not always good and this proved it, even if it was good.

Another on the pile of dead intel promises

there are other 3d nand alternatives that got way more support from the OEMs.
I think it's called CXL

like Linus said, it was too little, too late. It was the coolest sh*t at the time of its inception, but by the time it
showed up on the shelves, you could buy all the RAM you'll ever need for $200 and gen 4 SSDs that will outlive the heat death of the universe at about the same price. And as such, there is simply no point.

Only off by one order of magnitude, I call that close enough.

I was making sure I also wasn’t insane. I even opened my calculator

​@@TenForceFallsThe insert is wrong. He says it correctly 10 seconds prior.

@@phoenix9531 well, the text shows 6TB soo still incorect

you expect math from the same people who forgot a 150k server?

Wendell has access to boards of optane. Moore the merrier.

Whatch how i soar

Browncoats unite!

I will annualy leave a new comment there ... just for the sentimental value.

"Watch how I---" *squelch* *thunk*

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal

Jokes on them I use dearrow to change my thumbnails so I don't even have to complain as my thumbnails are never bad. So do something about it if you don't like the trends. Also are there that many complainers

​@@time-alingeJust check out the LTT subreddit. It's often a cesspool of people who hate LTT for some reason. I feel like this topic is brought up constantly. Also see many comments on PCMR and Gamer's Nexus subreddits.

@@time-alingeSame. Also DeArrow user here. It also changes the video titles. I hate having to open a video to find out what it's about. Only to find out im not interested and close it. Honestly i could live with the thumbnails but i hate non descriptive/clickbait video titles. Imagine searching for a video on specific topic only to be greeted with clickbait titles.

@@Raivo_K For me it's the opposite. I used that extension before and it actually made me open each of the videos to find out what it's about. Because the thumbnail usually summarizes the whole video for me instead of a random frame from the video. Kinda counter productive you might say.

50GBx12 = ?6TB oO , pretty basic fail.

@@benwu7980it’s a typo…

Also read the pinned comment, it specifically mentions you

engagement farming /s

​@@inherentlyflawedThe original comment was 6 hour ago while the pinned comment came later so 🕳️

It probably happened, they just didn't show it. Now, years later, it started working again mysteriously, so they made a video.

it's solid state, it'll be fine

@@GameCyborgCh
Linus: Hold my beer

Him and the crew should get a couple bat's and go full office space on that server just for the giggles

stick says 512 gb on it

Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

@@fallenone4108 I think they goofed in the script and just claimed each floatplane exclusive is 500gb (500*12 would be 6tb which would fit the "fit 12 floatplane exclusives in system ram" statement) All while showing text on the screen claiming each fp exclusive is 50gb not 500gb. confusing to say the least, but surely a single fp high bitrate exclusive isnt 500gb? then again, never watched one so for all i know theyre 8hrs long.

12 x 512GiB Optane sticks + 12 x 32GiB DDR4 sticks. That's 6528GiB (or 6.375TiB, since 1024 GiB = 1TiB) of memory.

​@@jperoutekI'm talking about the floatplane exclusives that he mentioned, not about the memory capacity

They are pretty irrelevant in the enterprise space. I can tell you as someone that worked in the data center.

Bruh LTT is for gamers and noobs like me not professionals

That's pretty much why it died. People just resorted to using much cheaper storage as 'RAM'.

@@cartoonhead9222 In other words, it was too expensive for what it does.
The question is, was it so expensive to manufacture, or did intel just want too high of a margin.

​@@hubertnnnit was actually a tricky tech to manufacture, I think the problem was it never got popular enough for it to hang around long enough to get the improvements that take lots of time.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back once someone figures a hack to the manufacture that gets it a lot cheaper. It is still a cool tech, just too expensive and too niche to have taken off in a huge way like Intel and Micron wanted.

2nd'd!

she's probably afraid of the more reactionary parts of the LTT audience. Which makes me extremely sad. We all miss Emily.

I will shout for joy if I see her in another video! Great host, knowledgable and humble. Overall great person.

​@@ExarchGaming yeah this has been my worry as well.
However, I have a feeling Emily isn't the type of person who is easily phased by bullying or any transphobe, as Emily to me has always seemed like the type of individual who's immune to bullying and above hate.
Rather, I hope that the reason they've been off camera is is she is focusing on transitioning, such as waiting until she has some feminizing procedures performed before returning to the limelight (i.e. laser/electrolysis, or even surgical procedures like FFS and breast augmentation, not to mention, the subsequent recovery time), so that when they do decide to return in front of a camera, they can be and project the self-image they wish to share with the world :)
Either case, I hope she returns, and her staying away isn't a permanent. As someone who is transgender, seeing someone prominent within the tech media space as Emily was, is so inspiring not only to me but likely countless others who too are trans, gender non-conforming, and allies within the tech sphere.

I miss seeing Emily on here, definitely a noticeable void in the LTT videos since her departure, I hope it isn't because of the loud minorities comments and hopefully she is just working on herself but seeing all the horrible comments on her announcement video I wouldn't blame her from not wanting to be on camera again.
All the best to her either way she is an invaluable part of the team and I definitely miss seeing her present.

Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

@@fallenone4108 2:41 is them saying the size of their floatplane videos

sucked that they never made them for consumers. Small harddrive accelerators or enterprise grade (with a price tag to match). Sure there was the 900p but that retailed for 400 bucks for a 280 gig drive, when that came out you could have probably bought a 4TB NVME ssd for that price

​@@GameCyborgChConsidering you can buy a 4TB NvME for about 300 bucks now, that sounds about right

​@@nocturn9xAnd they only made enterprise PCIe 4.0 Optane (P5800X) that even today costs a cool $800+ for mere 400GB model. It's very competitive with PCIe 4.0 NvME in performance, even in sequential performance where 905P gets destroyed but it's so expensive that last summer i could have bought nearly 16TB worth of PCIe 4.0 NAND for that money.

Intel hasn’t made anything revolutionary in 15 years.

​@@1armbiker optane absolutely was, and tbh still is, revolutionary -- even the best SCM today only comes to a close second to 2nd gen optane from 2020... they made a series of stupid business decisions all mentioned in the video.

​@@1armbikerimagine being so stuck in fanboy land to cope this hard. Not trying to shit on AMD btw, their stuff is amazing. But Intel has done a lot of cool stuff too. They just sat on their laurels for too long in the consumer space

Yeah, that was just casually dropped in there and it's a huge deal that LTT/LMG are using it now.

I was wondering why thumbnails keep changing every time I refresh the page.

​@@samwalker7567 they've been using it for a while and have talked about it a fair bit.

I think it requires a paired normal ram only in RAM mode.
In HDD mode it does not need to be paired with RAM.

There's some dark future where on-package HBM, 3D cache, and 3D X-point (optane) would make a ram monster. You could have 10s of MB of cache, a small pool of HBM to feed the iGPU, and then a big pool of optane storage that is basically both the SSD and main ram.

​@@DigitalJedithat sounds awesome tbh

@@DigitalJedi The latest Xeons now have HBM on package, so I bet that feature will trickle down to Core CPUs before the end of the decade.

@ChristianStout We'll kind of see it later this year! Lunar Lake will have all of its lpddr5x on-package, but won't have any external additional channels.

Absolutely this!

You think 6TB is enough for an LLM with trillions of parameters? Hah, you're funny.

​@@nocturn9xRiiight 🤔

You got lucky, it's almost half the price of mine lol.

Wait, you guys pay for education? 😂

@@TheChemizzleyou got scammed then lol

​@avonbarksdale2506 Someone with 2 - going on 3 - degrees here, all college prices are a scam 🙄

My house

We miss you, Emily, and hope you're doing well. :-)

Need to see some Emily vids again. They were always my favourite

So glad to see someone else bringing Emily up. I miss seeing them in videos.

Emily was great, miss seeing them in videos, nice for Linus to shout them out!

Based Emily

$1,000,000 1PB SSD server project?

they were given a sample to review. he didnt buy it and they didnt want it back

Exactly this. This was the first thing i did when i got my fujitsu system.

Malek it hasn’t even been a hour yet

@@acornexpresspro230 joke

I hope Emily can make a regular return to the screen soon but I understand why she might not want to.