We Don't Talk About Dan Schneider

Bro Brian Robbins 'bout to get PISSED

Thank ya for the video.

You ought to pin this m8

Is there a meaning to the ending segment with you going into that building?

@@AlienIOIandroktone😂

He’s not just a pervert, he’s a thief.

I know, I was getting frustrated like “I don’t need to know all this” then the punchline came and it made my jaw drop lol

That's some good writing

​@@Attmaybad writers copy, good writers steal

guys I don't think it was plagiarism these are just common sitcom tropes. "kid group takes a trip to win a competition" is a trope. I'm sure the actual episodes were very different

You'd be surprised at how many big name actors got there start as jobbing actors. Watch any cop show, you'll see several pre-fame faces.

surreal

Watch 21 Jump Street. The show not the movies. Brad Pitt had an episode with Johnny Depp

Brad Pitt made a lot of random appearances in sitcoms during the late 80s and early 90s. It's almost a fun little game.

Not Brad Pitt but Christian Bale played a lead role in an old Disney musical called the Newsies
He’s a Disney child star.

Yep but sadly it's not the conversation people want to have.

It isn't just Nickelodeon, it's almost every entertainment company that has ever existed, it's the industry itself that keeps everything under wraps because they need to have creatives that produce content that will be well received at the fastest possible pace, and even just one person getting removed could cause many projects to collapse. These collapses lose the companies a lot of potential earnings, however their largest concern is that some of their stockholders may sell off shares, causing their value to drop, which may lead to more stockholders selling due to the sudden dip to prevent further loss of value until the stock is completely unable to recover and the company most likely shuts down. They fear that if the terrible things that happened are made known and punishments are made in a more frequent and timely manner that their entire companies will collapse, so they allow bad actors to get away with their abuses, which emboldens the sense of power these bad actors feel and allows for things to get worse. The companies only allow extremely underexaggerated versions of the abuse to be known after the bad actors become unprofitable, like how Henry Danger's underperformance was likely the reason Nickelodeon finally decided to let Dan go.

Quinton points out that the Disney Channel hires back Brian Peck after he's released from prison. Nickelodeon itself isn't close to being the biggest problem, it's that the structure of the system/systems we're in enables people in power to abuse and exploit without suffering the consequences. The entertainment industry is just one venue where that can happen.

you got only part of the message...watch it again

​@@oliviaoob1426 yes! I came here to comment this!

It's almost as if people can't always separate the art from the artist bc the artist is intrinsically linked to the art. It's ok to have nostalgia for things you enjoyed as a kid. Nostalgia blinds people sometimes. But I'm someone who really can't separate art from artists. If ppl can that's great, but I can't.

@@sleepysadpoet yeah same, I've always taken "death of the author" to mean that once the thing is done, creators don't get to tell you how to feel or what to think or if what you interpret is right or not. In a lot of media classes they'll straight up tell you that it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview, as well as conscious and subconscious biases, to levels we will never be able to comprehend. Very much an "everything you've ever done and every person you've ever been has influenced you and made it into the creation of this thing in one way or another" situation

Release the Schneider cut. 🗣️

Ya i can agree

@@lenlaegrim "it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview"
That's incredibly stupid because it implies that you can't take your own opinion of the work. For as long as people can interpret a piece of media separately from how the author intended, then it is very possible to separate them.

@@ville__ huh?

​@@ville__ who's Quinn?

​@@ville__ ???

@@ville__ Miranda Sings?

​​@@ville__ my comment is about Dan Schneider what are you talking about

Thank god. I’ve been avoiding my subscriptions all week because it’s all Dan Schneider stuff and I already know what they’re gonna say. I only and I mean ONLY exclusively clicked on Quinton’s video for the reasons you mention

@@violetsparkles5453fucking ditto, I’ve known for years about how awful it is to work in the industry as a kid let alone as an adult because I heavily wanted to be an actor since I was a kid, after plenty of research I was mortified at stories I’d hear or the treatment of child actors, I’m so happy Quinton actually presented a very thoughtful and thorough video that wasn’t just cheap and vulgar sensationalism

@@LaLloronaVT it’s not even just the entertainment industry. So much shit happens to people because shithead people are allowed to do what they want without consequence.
Thankfully, it gets better…
Hope you’re doing alright

@@LaLloronaVT I’m glad to see these situations talked about with the nuance they deserve

I feel the same. I saw recently its been coming up again on those shitty 'drama' channels and I didn't click on this video until I saw Quinton is the one who made it. Don't trust other channels to be...an adult about it.

And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮

And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮

My jaw dropped

Yeah tbh I thought he was gonna say "that do" my man gave me a mental flashbang with the _dont_

one's illegal and very easy to prove. One's not and nearly impossible to show.
I do think there's a lot of autonomy kids loss after the turn from Gen X to millenial and Gen Z, and that equally stunt's a kid's ability to grow into themsevles, as they are robbed of valuable socizliation aspects and worldy views in order to minmax towards a harvard application or tunnel vision them into thinking there's only 3 types of viable careers. And that's another form of emotional abuse that is seen as accatable, "they just wanted their kid to succeed". No, you wanted them to live out your financial dreams and took everything from them.
But that is a very hot take that would be shouted down in today's time. helicopter parenting was a huge mistake and stranger danger enabled it.

Let's be real, people don't even take sexual abuse as seriously as they'd like to think they do. You ask anyone if they think pedophilia is bad and they'll absolutely say yes, but mention their favorite artist or celebrity or friend or family member and the excuses start. Or the claims that the child was lying. In all areas people do not tend to side with victims

"In America" is a really weird condition for your statement. Is it because that is the only country you are from and understand? Because I've seen this present in many places

I hear your complaint and I agree with it but I want to add that until the last 20ish years even with physical SA the children weren't protected ... and if the abuse had not occurred within 7 years your time was up to ever do anything about it 😢 ..... I am just saying that we have come far in my lifetime to at least discuss this openly... also it was not limited to Hollywood ... 8 out of 10 girls I ever discussed this with had some form of sa .... keep the discussion going and the laws improving ❤ .,, I just want to add pedophilia is a sexual orientation that can't be reformed in a prison ... they become murderers in prison and leave no witnesses in their future assaults .... # Jessica Lunsford and Cherish Periwinkle .... just two little girls from my local area murdered by a previously convicted predator..,

@@marw9541 just bc they say it happens in America doesn’t mean they are saying it doesn’t happen in other places. It is highly likely they are from america and that is the place they have the most cultural experience/exposure. Its not weird to limit smthn like that to a country or even a state/province, especially when the alternative is to assume the entire world operates in the same way as your home country/state/province/etc.

The sad thing is that she has said before that she hasn't experienced abuse on set and people won't just take her word for it, clinging to an anonymous twitter account instead. Same with people still claiming Schneider is the father of Jamie Lynn's child, despite the fact that we know who the father is.

the way people talk about amanda bynes as if she’s not there pisses me off

people really don’t give a fuck about victims of abuse and/or mentally ill people. it’s all for show, so they can _look_ like they care. as someone dealing with mental issues since I was very young I’ve always been able to see right through it and it pissed me off as a kid just as much as it does now. social media made it a whole lot worse but even before that was big there were always the family members and teachers and etc. who pitied me and talked about me behind my back, supposedly because they cared. I have to tread carefully consuming any of this stuff about child stars because although I thankfully never was one, they’re like the most clear target of this mentality and it triggers me. the fact it’s inescapable for them is so so sad.

@@NoNameHereOrThereYeah Dan from the doc didn't seem like a pedo. I think he saw Amanda as his golden ticket that he could exploit.

Amanda doesn't need that from strangers. No one does, but she's hypervisible.

Bump 💥

More like a virus, constantly mutating to infect other hosts on & on until it’s treated.

I like to call this "chronic anti-systemic thinking",where people take what's clearly a problem caused by faults in our economic, social or justice systems, and - as Quinton points out - they choose a blatantly evil scapegoat to push all of their negative feelings about that system onto.
It's a very conservative way of thinking. Not politically (although that does show, too), but it's a way for us to justify or ignore the material conditions that allow people like Schneider to do what they did. In this case, it's partially because it's uncomfortable to face just how incestuous and abusive the entertainment industry is.
A similar "fall guy" is Epstein. We all know he was an awful guy, but the way he's talked about, it's almost treated like all abuse radiates out from him somehow and that if he weren't "taken out" he would've ended it all with his testimony, smoehow. The truth is, these are patterns of malignant behaviour that the system excuses or looks the other way on. It's not one guy, it's a history of men in positions of social and economic power abusing those with less. He's just such a comically evil guy that people can have a laugh at it and go on with their day without further insight needed.

People don’t want to admit that men are the problem

@@man4437well said

those are age old tropes

​@@bilis2866it still shows he's unoriginal and it's imo, too much of a coincidence that all of these shows have similar episode plots or overall plots to previous things he's specifically worked on. it simply discredits him as the genius comedic writer that nickelodeon and others used to praise him for when all he really did was continuously recycle these ideas.

@@leilanyx_ none of these tropes are original, originality doesn't exist

I feel like reducing it to originality or plagiarism misses the point of what Quinton was really getting at... namely that Dan Schneider pulled from his own experiences in making these shows, thus they don't exist in a vaccuum.

yeah man, I mean I kinda feel bad for the guy. It can't be easy constantly surrounded by so many hot kids

I can agree with him being like the fall guy in a way but just because he wasn't like all powerful. Higher ups should have done something and they are also responsible for not addressing his inappropriate behavior.

​@@k1xntharrhar you made me laugh

@@k1xnt lmao

Because nobody would believe him as the Six Million Dollar Man!

I don't know, if it's true, but Disney fired him when they found out about his past. But the problem is, that he already worked on three episodes. Why couldn't they just look more into people they hire?

Apparently, he also played the voice of London Tipton’s mirror…

@@natagu5794yeah there’s only two real possibilities here. 1. They didn’t do their due diligence and hired him before a complete background check, which is neglectful at best. 2. They did do the background check and just hoped that no one would give them flak for it, but someone found out and “brought it to their attention”. Which would be horrific. I could see the actress of the mom finding out and raising hell about it considering how often she protected the kids on set.

what about the short 16 month sentence???

@@SunBeeSmokedFrom the documentary it seems like a lot of people didn't know the true horror of what Brian had done. Plus he was so well liked by everyone in the industry that it must have drowned out the bad stuff. Hence why Drake was so afraid to say anything at first.

It’s always crazy when you get into something, and after years of silence something related to what you’re suddenly working on or interested in becomes topical/relevant again.

RNGesus works in mysterious ways.

Por que no les dos?

Quinton comes up with the name "Metaverse" before Mark Zuckerburg but is only able to upload the video after Zucc announces it

Please Quinton, make a video about me winning the lottery.

💀

true though, have you seen the "2 AM Regrets" video in his second channel?

Man has been doing this for like 4 years now it's only natural for him to grow alongside the project

That is a understatement.

he didn't really get less pretentious. He's the same to me. Look at the fall guy segment. He spent all that time building up the nuanced difference between what he knows, damn fucking well what that title implies, and what he actually means by it, only for that difference to be really really simple and easy to understand. Nobody is gonna misinterpret that, people just already kind came to conclude that implication on their own.

We can burn the industry down if we start watching independent films more often, instead of the mainstream Hollywood ones.

@@x-man9473 it's not that simple. Part of why it's pervasive in children's media is the fact that children do not think about the actors' conditions and given how many children have unsupervised Internet access even still has created a giant industry of fucked up "children's content" online.

It was truly horrifying and heartbreaking watching how good Brian was a driving a wedge between Drake and his Dad. It really showed just how much of a monster he is. It was good to see at the end they were able to fix their relationship.

Master gaslighters in that part of town, they're like a hivemind or a cult.

​@@x-man9473 "vote with your dollar" is not a synonym for "burn this awful system to the ground." Christ alive that is the most lukewarm "baby's first praxis" take I've ever read.

Same.

He’s basically a Nickelodeon historian so… yeah

Quinton might not but I do, some teenagers are intentionally cruel, and people tend to normalize that behavior.

@@Stalloner Your childhood bully can grow up to be an introspective adult, perhaps even without ever atoning for that behavior. People don't just "normalize" it, there are factors either at home or in these environments that cause children to behave like assholes sometimes. Denying this being normal will only embitter you.

While I agree. Jamie Lynn never apologized even into adulthood and Nicole doesn’t forgive her

@@ville__ what

​@ville__ this is the most obvious bait

Literally at that moment i was like "thats it????"

Yeah. I mean, I do agree that our awareness of fetishes is probably much keener now than it was then, and imagine how adults writing kids comedy may have been even less aware of it... But it's still weird for that many jokes to involve feet. There are so many other areas of teen life you can joke about.

I think even 28 episodes involving a disguised fetish is a concerning amount

My exact line of thought also!
“Oh 28 is bad, but could be a lot wor- oh no.”

@@sealsdontneedtoeat4270yeah that makes it even more shocking. 28 episodes on a kid show is bad, only 28 without is REALLY bad.

I am still confused. Feet are commonly known as being a little gross or silly. I can see why it was a meme for a show that sprouted out of 90's sentiments. The fetishization seemed to have come after the fact.

I always found it so weird, because I never liked feet so I never understood why they were showing so many feet

I had a similar experience hearing my mom say that nickelodeon was weird for all the foot stuff and that she was glad I only was interested in cartoon network.

@@VexylObbyno, foot fetishes did not FOLLOW that. even people without the fetish itself may be gratified by it because of the implications.
it’s been one of the most common, well-known, and joked about fetishes for ages. the foot stuff wasn’t a mistake. and it was very unnecessary, very creepy, and very harmful.

yes that is so frustrating. I try not to get into heated arguments online, but its happened multiple times since this doc aired on this topic. being a victim does not excuse or justify harming someone yourself, how is that so hard for people to understand??? Now its also SO HARD to direct people to accurate sources of information on the trial because its all fluff pieces about how Drake Bell is reformed now, as if this case didn't happen just a few short years ago. I can't even imagine how upsetting this must be for his victim, to constantly hear people shouting about how he didn't do anything wrong all over again

he didnt? she lied about most of it, and the moment he learned about her age he stopped talking to her@@xxbeinaxx

I watched the trail stuff when it first came out. He admitted to doing this crap. As a 30 something year old man he was texting someone he knew to be a minor and saying things like hurry up (multiple times) in relation to her age. Ie hurry up and be 18. Also they tried to blame the girl calling her a stalker. Which even if she was a fan obsessed with sleeping with drake.... she was like 15 at the end of communication I believe. If you, a 30 year old man, can not resist a 15 year old girl your at fault. You're the adult in the situation and could have done a multitude of things. Stop contact, get an order of protection (if she was a true stalker), walk away, or get security when she showed up to meet and greets. But no multiple times, he texted sexually explicit things and knew she was a minor. He admitted these things in court. He doesn't get to ignore what he did simply because he was abused. He should have been safe as a kid and sadly he wasn't but that does not mean he gets a pass for then making anyone else go through the abuse (while not as severe it was still abuse).
It really aggravates me that people are minimizing what drake bell has admitted doing. Yea he didn't sleep with her I believe it was all through texting and such but that doesn't make it ok for a 30 something year old to discuss that stuff with a 15 year old. That's called grooming. I used to love drake bell and when the allegations came up I was on the fence. I then watched the trail and it's like he changed before my eyes. Now I see him and I'm mad and sicked. I feel sorry for what he went through but he did something he KNEW was wrong.

@@cass16433 He perpetuates rape culture against girls while claiming to be subjected to it by a man. The homophobia on display is far from subtle. The dog whistles are deafening: they only care when it’s men abusing boys.

I not nothing of this.
All I know is that a I see a LOT of people saying:
"The minor lied about her age, so drake did nothing wrong"
It's that it?

Nah Spencer was still bad a lot of times let's not try and ignore that

@@lokimiguel2452i heard that he was always protecting the icarly kids. he would stay on set even when he had no scenes & i keep seeing clips of him interfering with dan from hugging the girls or touching them. he definitely shouldve spoke up but he was at the same time one of the only adults on set sticking up for those minors.

@@al-nisacallaway1488 talking about the character not the actor of course

I really wonder if jerry trainor ever caught on to this

@@al-nisacallaway1488 also this sounds like fan fiction for jerry

Just like finding out Steve from Blues Clues sung the Young Sheldon theme song.

Or that Anthony Padilla filmed the "Two bros sitting in a hot tub - five feet apart cuz theyre not gay" - Vine

​@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCopsHe's also in the show itself as a nerd with a Marvel comic that Sheldon wanted

Idk why but I always assumed the person who invented none pizza with left beef was a girl.

SERIOUSLY i was like quinton PLEASE NOT NOW IM TRYING TO LISTEN TO QUINTON

Yep and probably still happening today

I do wonder about the directors of those episodes.... what about them? There was literally a clip of a director telling Ariana Grande to act cute or sweet or something, I'm not sure which... so what about the adult, i think mostly male if not all, directors?

@@RooyaHussain I'm kinda shocked ariannes character on that show did not make even hate her. I hate her acting on it!

That topic was talked about extensively and was the main point of Part 7, there isn't a lack of acknowledgement of it in this criticism. It's at 1:41:04 if you would like to watch it ^^

And to make it worst it was all ADULTS blaming a teenager for “seducing” a grown man 🤮

Read about what the world did to Amy Fisher in the '90s, if you want to feel like garbage for a while.

@@the-berries-and-cream-dudeno fr 😭 as the adult in the situation, THEY are the ones who should've removed themselves from it or taken measures to not escalate the situation, but instead they CHOSE to act on their desires and then blame the child for it because "oh, i'm/i was a responsible adult" (an excuse which became redundant the moment they laid their hands/set their eyes on the kid) so fucked up

the fact that Peck was hired by Disney to work on another children’s show after serving prison time for assaulting a child is nauseating

​@@ville__Why, tho?

emotional abuse is insidious that way. we often attribute signs of it as personality flaws. we never know what someone is going through, especially what their world view was molded into. what worse is emotional abuse often accompanies physical abuse, but people tend to attribute the symptoms of the former to the latter ❤ great comment.

100%

Never mind the intense sexism he apparently just casually threw around and how unstable he was as a person, poisoning the workplace for everyone.

True, but this is also sexual abuse. It's both, and both are detrimental to the children's health. Those back- and foot massages do not go over the children's heads

The fact that everyone isn’t seeing it that way is… well, I guess not surprising

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!! like yes its so good that things are getting revealed especially in the terms of CSA, but its so disheartening because the industry is literally BUILT off this shit and always has been! people found a culprit, a worthy scapegoat to point fingers too and im worried that its probably going to just end there while not real changes or actions are made!

Tbh, I don't see it that way. I got "this is just the beginning", not "we got em!" The ending was really somber and had no happy ending just "we are traumatized af now".
I was really surprised, actually. I was like "wait, that's it? No wrap up?" I'm glad they did that.
EDIT: Apparently the show isn't over yet. So it's still too early to say. But yeah, the entire thing felt really somber and respectful to the people who talked about their experiences, and it was more like a Nickelodeon predator timeline and how the child stars and adult crew members were failed by the industry.

It’s at least still a win even if it’s just the tip of the iceberg

Yeah no, that’s not what this documentary was, while agree there’s more to come, but kids entertainment is just the tip of the iceberg, it’s the movie industry, the tv industry and the music industry, it’s Hollywood as a whole, and seeing it finally coming apart with diddy and seeing his friends leaving the country too makes me happy because every thing people like me and others who have been talking about this for years and have been told we are “crazy” q anon theorists it makes me happy to say we told you so.

The entire Alexa Nicholas “eat predators” thing is absolutely what you’re talking about. It’s insaneeee

This reminds me of the whole mamamax situation where he turned out to be a huge fraud and never got a single pedo arrested

@@ItBeThatWaySometimesAnd used to disparage or even dismiss the abuse she experienced.

@@iatecielssoulsorrysebastian ..what? wait explain, i really looked up to mamamax (but have since fallen out on his content)

victoria justice and others on zoey 101 were 13-14 kissing 18-22 year olds on scene that is proof of sexual misconduct and assault of minors that was happening on set.

It is selling sexual perversion to children and the sales pitch is coming from a member of multiple oppressor classes. All of this represents rape culture. The whole thing.

Agreed, though the Drake Bell stuff does not reflect the findings of the court, and I do think perhaps more research could have been done before making jokes akin to those one would make about people like Matt Gaetz.

​@@PopsProductions949 Yeah... wasn't he found innocent, but none of the headlines were updated/not a big noise was made of him being innocent, so people still see him as an awful person?

@@schmingbeefin4473 Exactly. Drake broke contact immediately upon learning the age, never once engaged in anything illegal, and plead guilty to child endangerment when confronted with the fact that he was chatting non-sexually with a minor.

@@schmingbeefin4473 it looks like poisoning the well. Once a story is out and running its hard to correct course, and why would they if it serves the need of the powers that be.

@@elleuno1165 would love to know how you think this serves "the powers"

That was my exact reaction

I actually had the exact opposite reaction.
Huh, only 28 times. That seems really low across like 13~14 seasons
Oh, 28 *episodes*, that makes more sense.
Yeah, that tracks.

wait which timestamp was that

1:02:27 @@spungbopscarepans

dramatic much

“I’m not finished yet!”

He references the doc several times in the video though, he had the info while recording at least

@@twite5462 I think what sploosh was mentioning was that Mr. Schneider finally broke his years long silence in response to the doc.

Going off of Google Trends, interest in the topic of Dan (get in the van) Schneider is currently at an all time high with the absolute peak being only a few days ago. I'd say Quinton's timing is basically as good as it gets.

Tbh he will probably get a lot more views now that everyone’s on this - but he’s expanding on it a bit more than most others can

Why though? People needed to put themselves out there.
Look at Cosby...

Cosby’s case is so beyond messy that I’ve actually come around to believing him. Same with Michael Jackson tbqh. The media tries their hardest to crucify people because then they’ll have headlines that’ll sell, and it makes actually investigating legitimate sexual abuse harder to do.

i lowkey disagree, i feel like way too many youtubers use the "not getting sued" excuse and it just makes me wonder how many of them are actually out there getting sued by the **non-online** people they criticize. (i know some influencers and creators are very fond of cease and desists and sham lawsuits). Obviously Quinton has a big platform and this is a popular topic so i can see why he would avoid it, but a lot of smaller KRplusrs will pull out that excuse for way less relevant topics and it just seems like they're trying to protect their monetization status by not discussing serious issues. could also just be me getting pissed when people don't reveal the juicy shit tho LMAO

​@@evasartz9016100% the latter

For first two replies it is simple. These are very powerful people, he even state he is only using official sources not some tommy sob rocky source that may not be actually true and finally you tried talking shit at a corporation in front of them or some celebrity see how that goes? If you are upset he wont do it. Then you go ahead do it yourself

LOL

Ik it’s great to see Quinton make short form content

Lmaooooo

Funniest comment I'll read all year

This legitimately sent me 😂 Thank you

In retrospect it makes a bit of sense when you realize Dan’s history in the industry and something about how there’s nothing new under the sun, but the sitcom as a story telling tool is only as creative as a writer’s imagination can be
And dan’s isnt that extensive all things considered

@@remiliascarletmybeloved he is a hack as a writer, a cad as a person, and perfectly adequate as an actor. He is the weakest link in *Good Burger* and the sequel was to keep that story going without him. Even the clips of him in the 1980s are difficult to laugh at knowing what kind of a person he is. In the abstract, they might be OK, nothing special, aiming for a little bit higher than they reach like a lot of the shows of this nature, but this is just too big to ignore.
He deserved the Roseanne treatment more than Roseanne did!

Yes, people need to also talk about the systemic issues. The issue with Dan Schneider obviously is his actions. But it also is the fact he got to the point of acting like this, then could keep on doing this and get away with it for so long.
If the system was better designed, he would have had his career ended much sooner, or maybe never set off like this.

@@Tessa_Gr Dan Schneider is such a good scapegoat for the industry, because anyone who grew up with his shows recognizes his name and face. Putting one guy's face on an issue makes it so much easier to cover the many other actors that are part of it. It's diabolical really.

The one time I think they should be using CGI and AI to replace real actors is probably for child roles. Keep children off movie sets as much as possible.

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepCompanies can make more money using kids because child stars are marketable and can be used to move merchandise. The industry would only stop using kids if using kids stopped making them money - if we as a society refused to financially support companies that used them. Instead we've always bought merch of kid stars for our kids. We fueled the machine.

​@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Part of the reason I am opposed to things like a live-action ATLA or just about any property where child actors would be front and center. Is because you can just animate it and use adults.
There are still systemic issues. But you can remove at least one vulnerable group from shows/movies.

its just entertainment, why is that so weird. we all watch it

​@@SPACEDOUT19 we don't all watch it and regardless it's inappropriate for a work environment. Literally nsfw

@@SPACEDOUT19at work? with other people? that's creepy as fuck

​@@SPACEDOUT19Because it's on set with children. Also I thought it was child porn

He worked in children's television, with CHILDREN around his workplace

I don't remember Quinton mentioning this. Where did you hear about this?

@@iamthemouse4483 mentioning what? the other child actors? I was just bringing up other actors that have been victims of the entertainment industry, and adding onto Quintons point that focusing on schneider and not the wider spread issue is a narrow perspective

@@wilderulz The thing about him forcing Judy Garland to take pills.

Judy Garland died in 1969. The f are you talking about? He forced her to take drugs while he was 3 years old?😂 Stop spreading such misinformation. Americans are dumb enough to think this is true.

@@calistafalcontail LOL dude! I was making a point about how the abuse present in the entertainment industry has been rampant long before Dan Schneider, adding to Quintons point that he's being used as a reductive fall guy to disguise a much larger issue.
The fact you took it at face value speaks volumes about your ability to understand nuance omf
(Also I'm not even American 😂)

Kids are supposed to have advocates on set for them, im not sure exactly how it works.

honestly i think it's worse for human kids to be stars then animals, cause at least animals don't become more intelligent than toddlers, and animals will never understand people touching them weird unless it hurts them
oh and animals won't go on to become addicts and/or hurt more animals

they do, child actors are unionized and so are the child wranglers who are meant to look after them. but as this video discusses, even adults who are protected by a union are not immune to workplace abuse that stems from exploitation, bigotry, or both-especially when so much of this abuse took place outside of the workplace.

​@romanlegion5837 yeah. In california, parents are SUPPOSED to be with their children at ALL TIMES. However, in the case of schnider, the parents were afraid of ruining their childrens careers so they sat off to the side or in a complete other room and didnt do their legal duty. It would be like...if the second for the animal actor was bribed or threatened into not saying anything about how horribly an animal was treated.

@@Spagoooterman This also requires the parents to be decent. For example Jennetes situation wouldn't have been much better if her mother had been present at all times during filming. And I think a lot of parents who let their child become a celebrity care more about success than the wellbeing of their child.

Oh God, you're right. I need to go watch some youtube shorts to shorten my attention span.

honestly! like i watched this video in one sitting because i was like "oh! its a short one!"

I'mma rewatch the first Icarly vid now.

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They're already doing that "Bluey" knockoff and it's obvious they want to do more entertainment, so you may be right that it's coming.

Some of the hosts have already capitalized on the situation to talk about it (you’d think this would be a topic they’d have covered years ago with how “concerned” they are for children)
Of course they’re trying to turn “the industry is corrupt” into “the industry is corrupt AND WOKE” but regardless, we shouldn’t have to worry about them doing anything with him

Oh goddamnit, this is gonna happen now, won’t it?

​@@DissertatingMedieval And Quinton has a weird talent with his timing, so... I say it has an 8 and a third chance of happening

@@SandwitchZebra Thing is the industry is in fact corrupt and woke, Dan aren't the only one i hope you know that

That's what I thought too, its more of a idealized self image thing rather than like a deep look into his psyche or something

Same honestly. I had such a visceral knee jerk to it but it makes sense and it's so. Sad honestly. Spencer is the Dan that he wanted everyone to see him as and instead in reality he's just hurt so many people

this comment actually reminded me of that one icarly christmas episode (forgot the title, it’s the one where carly wishes spencer was “normal”). it hits so much worse with quinton’s theory in mind: spencer does something reckless that has destructive consequences, carly is understandably angry and wants spencer to act his age, but changes her mind after seeing an alternate reality where everyone is worse off in exchange for spencer being “normal”. now it feels less like a story about carly accepting her brother for who he is and more like “dan/spencer does destructive things at the expense of the young people around him, but what can you do? we’d all be worse off if he chose to be the adult in a given situation”. (i doubt that was actually the intent, but still)

not to mention the similarities between Spencer and other character archetypes from his previous shows that Quinton points out

This is so true and because of this i think if Spencer was played by anyone besides Jerry Trainor it would not read well.

Welcome! You will find yourself enjoying everything that lead up to this.

Very true

I hate when they use funny wordplay

People like, say, Alexa Nikolas, HAVE to skirt words because her platform wouldn't exist if she didn't. She is a victim, and fights for victims, and wouldn't reach the audience shes got without censoring for the algorithm though.

Now you know what Hollywood writers had to go through under the production code. To think we went from seven words you can’t say on network television to 800 words you can’t say on KRplus.

​@@Emeraldrox303I think it was clear in my phrasing that I was not talking about victims, and I trust that most people who read my comment intrinsically understood that. I'm referring to KRplusrs who cover things like drama and true crime, who, even if they very likely don't _mean_ any disrespect, come across disrespectful by self-censoring (sometimes in very immature ways) for the sake of appeasing algorithm and staying monetized, essentially treating other people's trauma as their content. People who are victims and are doing this to break through the algorithm are, obviously, not in the same category.

for me was like:
"hm, why is he telling me of that old 80s sitcom?"
"hey is that john travolta?"
...
"OH NO!"
"oh no no no no..."
...
"oh n- oh hey brat pitt!"

@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLADidn't even notice john Travolta 😂

@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA For me it was that, followed by:
"Wait, is that Ke Huy Quan?"

Throw in KE HUY QUAN????? as well

It was a screamer when Dan appeared

Terrifying

Not only is he not an outlier, he's almost the expectation.

That’s kind of his whole point. Yes Dan is terrible because of what he did, but hundreds of Dans exist and the environment of those around them prevent real backlash or systemic change

@@marioex497 He’s so much the expectation that anyone who actually worked in the industry like Kayla Says and John Fountain have to fight off accusations of always being miserable or helping contribute to the problem.

He's only the exception in the sense that he's such a recognizable name and face, that's what makes him so easy to focus on

Please watch bojack horseman, everyone who agrees with this comment and is interested in this specific topic

His wife's brain has been turned to worms by configuring low-calorie swaps for fast food for the last couple of decades.
IDK to be honest. Just feel like roasting diet culture at the moment, but I feel kind of bad for her. I think I would have left him though.

@@zab416, forgive me, but I also can't help wondering what her feet are like, given Dan Schneider's er, predilections.

The joke writes itself with this one but I’ll be nice and not speculate 😅

@@zab416she gives me the vibe of the almond mom who is constantly eating keto and dieting and fasting and doing Pilates, while calling her husband her baby while stuffing him with tons a food as a way to make herself feel better because she won’t let herself eat it.. that’s probably so random but idk

Probably not the biggest takeaway that should've been taken... away....

Lucky, like most if not all successful people.

That's almost everyone everywhere. You wind up with a bit of luck and make friends with the right people and you're a "success." The entire world is decades behind where it should be because it's all run like this.

yes! When I was a kid, I thought Abby Lee was so cruel bc she produced winners and was an amazing choreographer…naur

His writing was extremely juvenile, which makes me fearful in a sense due to his behavior he displayed on the children who worked on his sets.
I found it funny when I was a kid, specifically because I was a kid. Now, I watch for nostalgia, but I find myself growing more uncomfortable by the feet scenes and s3xual innuendos that shouldn't be in a child sketch.
He's a big creep and a writer only for children. He is incapable of having the intelligence to write for adults or write extremely deep critical thinking sketches. Like I said, his writing is juvenile and had he not found success with children's television, he would be somewhere destitute.

Well everyone has different tastes in media. I never liked Dan’s shows. It has a weird vibe, the humor wasn’t funny (for me), and I disliked the characters for the most part.
But I can’t say that the show doesn’t have its good points, esp since Quinton also kinda sold me on its good points with his series. It’s just common that ppl will protect what audiences seem to enjoy, quality of work be damned.

And even after everything they put on him was BRIAN PECK’s doing (namely the general CSA accusations), they’re still acting like it was him. Not that he didn’t do anything wrong, but he wasn’t the perpetrator of THOSE things

Yes! People need to realize that after being released from prison, Brian Peck was not rehired by Schneider. He was hired by Disney. This is not a Dan Schneider thing, not even a Nickelodeon thing. This is an industry problem. They do not care about the well-being of their actors so long as they make money. Disgusting

Yes, none of these problems started with him and it definitely didn't end with him. The fact he got away with emotional abuse, breaking child labor laws, having no boundaries, being extremely sexist, etc. for so long is the bigger issue. Because it could just as well have been someone different. Because the problem is a systemic one, if someone gets away with so much, that means that there is either not nearly enough oversight and/or some of it is encouraged or tolerated by the network.
Anyone who is aware of family vlogging content knows that the same issues with child exploitation (in a variety of forms) for entertainment is at least as prevalent as it ever was.

I watch Alexa Nicholas podcast to know all the predators. The people that enable their behavior. Just heartbreaking because these children deserve to be protected. That parents were forced to be sidelined when they had concerns about the content. Or when they saw their children being abused. That they were automatically silenced, told that nothing is wrong. That their child should be grateful for getting the job. Which not only happens at Nickelodeon. Happens on any set in Hollywood. Where abuse is the norm and is not question because it has become so normalized.

@@Tessa_Gr In a way it's identical to Weinstein. What Weinstein did was abhorrent of course, but he was also backed up by a system that provided cover for him and ruined anyone who even considered speaking out, it was an open secret for a long time. I somehow doubt aspiring actresses are significantly safer in Hollywood now that he got locked up, because the system protects guy like him who help the bottom line, we don't know how many other Weinsteins there are out there.

Worldly law is flawed, spiritual law is perfect. No matter what humans declare to be okay at a certain time, whats right and wrong will never change and we will pay the price.

in a reaching way, its similar to bojack horseman's sitcom career

and he fucks

Did Spencer ever ask for feet pics on the show, I never watched it

​@@thebosicotheSpencer trataba de cuidar a los niños es lo opuesto a sneider

Hurt people, hurt people.

@@cheekyhazelnuti do t think that’s an appropriate thing here, as it shifts the blame for the Abuse Bell did onto His abuser.

​​@@queencyrys6309 Bell didn't actually do anything however. The girl lied about her age, after finding out her real age he immediately cut contact with the girl and ended up pleading guilty to endangerment.
Nothing of substance ever happened. Yes it was reckless of him to not make sure the girl was of age when they began messaging but to call him and abuser is going a bit too far. He's someone who should have known better, but he didn't abuse anyone and took responsibility for his actions. I urge anyone to actually look up the court proceedings and the evidence and what he plead guilty to, because he did not groom the girl in question, there's nothing to substantiate that, and saying that directly contradicts the evidence
There was no evidence on either his or her phone of sexual messages. There was no evidence on his or her phone of illicit pictures from either party. There was no evidence on his or her phone of him participating in any type of relationship, even a platonic one. There was significant evidence of her stalling him online and at shows. There was no evidence of Bell ever calling her "hot" or encouraging her to send photos on either his or her phone. There was no evidence supporting any of her claims.
What bell pleaded guilty to was endangerment for not doing his part to ensure this girl was telling the truth. Hence the charge for endangerment.
Again to call him and abuser is going far and beyond all actual evidence we have, which all supports the contrary that he never did anything to this girl whatsoever beyond exchanging friendly messages until he found out her age at which point he cut contact and blocked her while she continued to stalk him

​@@cheekyhazelnut I've always preferred: make people cry, make people cry. But your's includes the ones who don't want to give you to satisfaction.

​@@cheekyhazelnut
In cases like this it actually takes education and effort NOT to repeat the abuse, because you've got someone who has NO idea what appropriate boundaries are.
I know some kids I grew up who had trouble with touching people because they'd been told over and over that it's not sexual or inappropriate to touch people like that, it's just a normal thing that normal people do. If one victim complains it's them saying "this is uncomfortable" against all of the grownups saying "if you're uncomfortable you're overreacting and being hysterical"

Yeah im totally sure it was coincidence

⁠@@vitaminwater9662this has been the planned finale for the “miniseries” for like two years now.

It would be like if a Lost reboot was announced before Billiam finished his series

No

I mean it's a 2 hour video. Very possible that he started writing it before this. The scripting alone likely took a while on top of the research. ​@vitaminwater9662

@@ville__wait what ??!!

​@@demi-qs5zc just report and move on

@@demi-qs5zcthis person has a n@z1 pfp and has been replying with this on a lot of people’s comments. Their claim might have substance but idk if it’s real

@@demi-qs5zcthis person comments this on every popular KRplus video lmao it’s not true

you're the first person I've seen ever figure out what that is

@@QuintonReviews Ah yes, the old lore.

@@jordancantrell6598The ancient texts…

Ah fuck I must've missed it smh

Literally popped in here to mention this

Legality v morality

@@ville__ not really

Lawful but awful

What kind of producer exactly?

@@emberjean4230poop producer

Been that way since the 90s. Hell in the 30s, people were hiring male prostitutes that reminded them of Jackie Cooper.
"Nothing changes. Cause it's all the same...!!!"

Yeah what kind of producer?

​@@emberjean4230probably porn

Bless you for that, your child holding a grudge for this is a small price to pay for their safety. One day they will understand why you said no and be thankful

you are such a good parent for that. I hope she appreciates how you protected her.

When she starts to be smarter she will thank you. I always listen to my parents when it comes to them protecting me, because they have my best interests. You’re such a good wonderful parent and an amazing human. ❤

The only exception I can think of was Shirley Temple, and she became a politician as an adult.

@@devincetee5335😂😂😂 Shirley Temple was also reportedly subjected to abuse.

cause we must always remember: the police were always never on people's side. they were always the bad guys.

That was perhaps the best line, and I will be way more conscious of what I'm calling a riot now.

a lot of the dialogue in those clips seemed really smart let alone for an old sitcom about high school kids

@@lemonscented7703maybe because they had competent writers who they weren’t forcing to share a salary or forcing them to put super inappropriate humour into the script.

Based on what?

No literally, went from “oh okay, I know him” to “wait WHAT? BACK UP”

You said this perfectly

Literally, it's so disorienting

@@Beansquishy fever dream

Seeing Brad Pitt and Dan Schneider share the same room is genuinely uncanny

@@j0sH092yes simpleton. And if you didn’t know Hitlers history you wouldn’t look at him in a bad way either….
Do you actually have a damn point?

Wait who said that? o-0

The take from twitter that his last video about Sam & Cat was "weird" really annoyed me! Quinton's approach, insights, and humor are insanely valuable and worthwhile. Some of the best content on youtube.

That person must've watched some other videos because they sure as hell were not Quinton's.

Yup, I think i remembered the same tweet I saw which again doesn't make that much sense considering the other additional stuff that were being said/added like you mentioned but some of those people are also the people who complained about those long intermissions deviating from talking about the show so like do they want Quinton to just read the wiki for the shows plot or what at that point. That tweet also irked me because it decided to talk about how this whole "mini-series" is pointless on the video which ended with talking about Jennette McCurdy & her book which, while I had heard some bits of it in the past, did not know about it releasing & was not really able to fully contextualised on all of it until it was being talked on that video.

Fr, Quinton is literally doing straight-up archival work, taking into account the culture of the time, and also reviewing merch and games in full. Pop-culture/niche topic archivists need to get more kudos.

Disney also worked Miley Cyrus into the GROUND. The channel Deep Dive has a great series on Hannah Montana, as well as a vid on Disney Channel as a whole.

Also blames kids who were mindlessly watching TV as children do. There was no internet then (not really) and even so, how was anyone just watching a tv show going to know if they were ethically consuming media or not? Absolutely insane take for people to have to say that. Damn.

@@KetchupRocket I don't know that most people are blaming, necessarily. I think it's normal to feel relieved that you weren't unknowingly a consumer of whatever content abuses are being revealed about. It can totally have the effect of making others feel guilty if they were, but it's not intentional.

@@bekaz13 I mean yeah but I wasn’t talking about relief. I was referring to people saying “thank god I was a Disney kid instead of a Nickelodeon kid.” It may not be intentional but it insinuates blame on someone for consuming content they had no outside awareness of, especially as a child.
But even still, a bizarre take seeing as Disney is no better.

@@KetchupRocket To me, "thank god I consumed other media" is an expression of relief, though. Like, "I'm glad I didn't unknowingly give money to those monsters." No one KNOWINGLY did, but "I'm glad I wasn't involved" is a reasonable feeling to express. Like I said, it can unintentionally make people feel guilty that they were, but to say it insinuates blame is reading into it a bit IMO.
"They're not saying I did anything wrong" and "What they said makes me feel guilty" are two statements that can be true at the same time, is all I'm saying.
And yes, we all agree that it's naiive to assume Disney wasn't just as bad.

I 100% agree on the editing, this is the first video ive seen of this guy and it's freaking amazing
Also holy crap salmence!!!

SALMENCE DETECTED

SALMENCE? also entirely good points

011111!!!1

bruh, BOTH of the parents were stage parents. Neither is superior just bc they cared that someone hurt their kid; they both LET these grown adults alone w their CHILDREN.