First EVER LeBron vs Jordan Debate With Stephen A. Smith & Shannon Sharpe | EP. 85 CLUB SHAY SHAY

Have you heard of skip bayless???

@@georgetyler6823 We don’t say skip name 😂

Skip is Jordan's biggest supporter

​@Dub257 Yes we do.

No lol the biggest lebron hater vs biggest lebron supporter

Every year 😂😂

difference is my jacked uncle at one moment says i will slap you for talking shi7 :D

​@@michelestoichkov4512🤣

😂😂😂😂, this my daddy and brother

yeah - where one uncle is totally drunk and talks rubbish

Thanks to steph A smith cause the other guy was screaming and interrupting all the time

took me out as well 😂

But in all reality he was only 32 lol

Magic was the MVP of the league in 1990. 🤣

Someone was in the background laughing hard😂😂😂

only 32? LMAO most of players at this times was to old what you mean@@MrSantee2000

Bron isn’t even 2

Yall casuals don't even know that Shannon is paid by clutch sports to lie to everyone and say LeBron is the goat.

@@ClutchGeneyour bugging

@@jmoney6043but its not a lie lebron is goat go cry about it

Kareem better, magic better, Kobe better

😂😂

It's not a great debate when Shannon's only response to facts that destroy his side of the debate is "yeah, but..." He's basically admitting that he's lost the debate when he can't defend his stance against facts.

​@@kenrichorton6863😅😮😮

​@chriscampbell8074 facts but at least they're making sense instead of Shannon debating with Skip.

@@chriscampbell8074Steven a is the one repeating Shi

Me to 💯

Arguing if it’s stuffing or dressing….

@@baritonebroker”it was touching the turkey, neva went in it! NEVA!!!”

Had me crying yo 😂

Magic was 73 😭

My man does his research 😂

O😊ooo

That was a body check 😅😅😅

Let's get the facts straight. Yeah The Bulls were a beast of a team but that was a Lakers team that was injured. Kareem was out he might've been retired at that point, no James Worthy. Now if the Bulls played against a healthy Lakers team with an active Kareem at 38 years old we might to singing a different tune but it is what it is.

😂😂😂

​@@MentalStillness if when but who where, we can do this all night long. If Arvydas Sabonis came to the league in 1985 as he was drafted we would've seen Clyde Drexler and prime Sabonis in 1990s final vs the Bulls and they might've killed Michael.

​@@MentalStillnessinjuries happen almost every finals. That's not a excuse

Smith rebutted nice though, “you didn’t say that when he was here though.”

Not even close, Jorden is the Goat all time 6 time undefeated NBA Champion. And Kobe’s right under him now we know LeBron is under Kobe when it comes down to it. In any sport it’s about the championship rings. That’s what makes Tom Brady, the goat as far as an NFL quarterback because of his championship wins. That’s the whole thing that they strive for is to win a championship and LeBron is stuck at number three now once he becomes a five time NBA champion then he’ll go up to Kobe‘s level, but until then he’s stuck in the number three slot

@@jasonryan9659bro winning a ring is a team accomplishment. Jordan lost the first 7 years cause he had no help.

You can use numbers but era's change and the most important measure of a players greatness is their greatness in realtion to their peers. Jordan was the best player of his era by a huge margin, no one came close. Lebron was the best player for a number of years but it was never clear cut. Jordan got 30 when 25 was elite...there's currently 17 players averaging 25+ >>in 93 when Jordan got 32 there where 5.

​@jasonryan9659 Wouldn't Robert Horry or Bill Russell be above Jordan then? Both of them are over six rings

@@jasonryan9659 you are delusional for even having kobe top 5, might be stupid for saying he's 2.

SAS show more professionalism, Shannon still annoying as the same

Kooooobbbbeeeeeeeeeee

Stop that bs

Oh they are very Good friends & it shows.

yes! lmaooo I caught that too it got me good

Magic was actually 32. Worthy was 30. Shannon is rewriting history. Sadly, this is the norm for lebron bootlickers.

😂😂😂

Magic was 31-32 that year in 91.... Shannon reaching

That was great 🤙🏿🔥

No he didn't. Stephen A is just a much better talker and journalist. That's it!!

No he didn’t 😂 all he said was 6-0…. And that’s a team accomplishment

@@breal6592more finals mvps more mvps more scoring titles more dpoys more 1st team all defense none of those are team accomplishments tho lmao

My question is why do people talk about 6-0 but never mention how many times he didn't even make it to the finals mfs avoid it like the plague.

@@SouthJerzVillains On a weak era.

Came down the comments looking as soon as it happened

i swear🤣

I’m still laughing at this

​@@rossmccay At 32 most are retired kid😂😂

​@@Clightflightwhite Most aren't second in MVP voting either

Best comment for sure!!

Y'all really need father's in y'all lives.

❤

In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs)
1st: Jordan = 49
2nd: Kobe = 34
2nd: LeBron = 34
4th: Kareem = 31
5th: Duncan = 29
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You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players
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By the way, Curry has 13 Total Achievements in his career and Jokic has 7. That’s just to put things into perspective in the overall picture

​@@FreedomFighter2112 your forgot stats, statwise lebron far ahead of kobe

​​​@@FreedomFighter2112 and jordan accomplished this in far less time, cuz in terms of competitions, of this group, he by far had the weakest

​@marktaylor554 You must be a clown. You claim that Jordan's competition was weak but in the same sentence you argue that LeBron's stat was far better than Kobe when Kobe clearly faced tougher complication in the West than LeBron. Kobe also beat more teams above 500 than any other player in the game.

Yeah if you like drama more than ball.

Nahfr

Wont be daily. Only 2 days a week.

I wonder who is going to be the loudest in the morning 😂

@@twizzy909 2 days a week is actually a good idea

Definitely agree 👏👏

They need their own show separately. Nobody can out talk Shay-Shay not even Stephen A

We have seen this debate 10 billion times… you just saw the debate now. If people actually want to see this debate I question their sanity.

I've been waiting all of LeBron's career for this debate...

Shannon is going against a Beast for this one! props to shannon taking the huge challenge

If jordan could adapt today game why they say be saying lebron couldn't handle in jordan Era 😂 so lebron wouldn't adapt

You mean Lighting Rod each Other With they're Takes.

Yeah and they're both brothers from similar backgrounds. Skip had the white savior complex in him and always made it personal when he doesn't have facts. Now he's scrambling for talent on his debate show lol not the same. I don't care how he staks it Rachel was good in ESPN and that's it the rest its just work to get paid

For now...
Just give it time...

No he ain't 😂

You just gotta listen to Shannon when he talks

Shannon Sharpe always has tp talk over people when he's having this debate, he's definitely in over his head 😂

Naw just wait until he get on first take Stephen A don’t get what he just did

Exactly. Unc be out of bounds on many things.
Talking about Noah being drunk and still getting the ark.
Bruh, he had the ark year(s) BEFORE that, and was literally roofied… he did not choose to be drunk 🤦‍♂️
Facts n sequence Unc.
They give anyone these days a mic

Lol, but Magic and Kobe in their primes, they would give Lebron a solid battle. I don't know if they would win but I know Kobe would kill Lebron in crunch time defensively. It's tough for Lebron one on one in crunch time.

@@ARmirzafulwe’ll that’s why it’s a team game we not taking one on one if that’s the case I’m taking Shaq over anyone

Since when did that EXACT quote happen? 😒

Which one he beat in the NBA FINALS not the era

Exactly

So which one is as good as the spurs dynasty or the warriors dynasty? That’s no one

​@@mattsell2361Jordan was the dynasty. Lebron never was

@@patcisz3474 tell me was the Chicago bulls a stacked team with a lot of good players or did Jordan carry the team to a championship every year

Chicago was absolute trash squad when Chicago lost to the Pistons, a multiple championship team.

The Msvs in 2011 swept the Lakers, beat Spurs and OKC in the playoffs. They played tremendous defense and had lethal 3point shooters with Dirk playing great.

Did Dirk have 9 years of going to the NBA finals on his treads? I love how y'all ignore the same Dallas team SWEPT Kobe Bryant's 2 time defending champions that same year in the playoffs.

Pretty sure magic was 73 😂

@@gdtiago1 and dirk was older than magic and lebron had a superteam and dirk was by himself and jj barea and jason terry schooled lebron all series long ... and lebron scored just 8 pts in one game and blew a 2-1 lead losing 3 straight after being heavily favored to win the ring

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Especially when it is on Labor Day too

Bruh, I really can't wait 😅

*Tuesday

@@harborboi Are you confused?

Feeding into Shannon's ego works everytime 😅😅😅

Nope you just speaking factz on this one

Shannon did good debating Stephen A

SAS handled Shay big time, that was embarrassing for Shay

To be fair, Shay never really had a chance. He’s obviously on the wrong side of this debate. Outside of longevity, everything is in MJ’s favor

​@@mattg6390Facts

easily

Lol he just said what skip said indirectly. Ever since the kwame incident sas has changed his tactics.

I don’t like skip but skip has always called sharp “the hall of famer “…

Notice how Stephen was able to calm Shannon down a little with his reverse psychology by calling out how dramatic he is about the topic, knowing that would simmer him down so they could have a logical level headed discussion even tho Shannon will never be 100% logical on this topic bc he is too emotional over Lebron

This will end the debate.

@@lolipopi503eh not rly. Everyone knows bron was robbed of DPOY in 2013

​@@lucasphillips2177 that would only be one compared to MJs 9?

And still went home early😂

Finals MVP too?

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Ha Ha

At least Jordan is 'cause he knows, like a lot of us sane individuals knows, this ain't even a debate. It never was and never will be.

Jordan laughing Lebron is crying

@@NwoFreshYou beat me to it by 1 minute, word for word that was going to be my reply lol

Shid, Jordan taking it personally.

You can hear the staff laughing in the background 😂

😂😂😂FACTS!

Yes, I really don't want to see Shannon on First Take. I'm tired of the yelling as it is

@@erichemsley8706bro the other niqqa known for his yelling

Amen!!!!!!!

And there weren't any cheap shots. Just good debate.

Skip is wayyy better

@@actualcollegegradStephen a smith was smooth with the compliment to Unc about being one of the goats.. meanwhile, skip went out of his way to disrespect Shae in favor of getting on his knees for Brady. I’m glad Shae is doing his own thing.

@@johnhancock1362 skip takes things personal and talks through his emotions. SAS doesn’t do that. thats why SAS has no problem agreeing with UNC and pay homage to the legendary player he is sitting across from.

Jordan was a better defender too

@@Mainesthoughtthere should be a minus on defense if you have to use the rules to justify people being better at defense back then

@@courtneywhite6036 You have more energy to defend when all you have to do is score. It's harder to that when your usage is like lebron's and you have to do everything else too

​@@Mainesthoughtand nobody ever mentions that Jordan's 80's competition was far better than his 90's competition. He couldn't get past Boston, Philly, Lakers, and Detroit until they aged out or self imploded. None of his Finals opponents had more than 2 hall of fame leveled players. LeBron in his 4th season took a team that had no business being in the Finals past Detroit who were big title contenders. Jordan's system from top to bottom (front office, coach, second star player, key role players) were better and allowed Jordan to flourish. If he has LeBron's teams from 2003-2010 and 2018 Finals team or Lakers 2019 team, he'll struggle if not worse. Also take Coach Phil out too because he contributed to Jordan's winning as well. It's proven due to Jordan and Kobe's success. That's what analysts don't mention.

@zockey99 If you're playing defense, that's taken a lot out of you. What are you talking about!

C'mon we not gonna act like lebron ain't no billionaire

10x as much is crazy

Shannon lost this 1.

@@jonthomson9262 He’ll Lose Many More 😂

​@@jonthomson9262 The fact they met in the middle more than they butt heads. You're missing the point by not acknowledging that..

@@nicholascole2613 I repeat, Shannon and LeBron held that L. Jordan simply has a clearly better case than LeBron. It's not even that close. Lol 😂

@@dr.grinch9530 lol 😂.......I give LeBron fans L's ALL the time.......they just keep losing. But some of them are getting more and more desperate/creative in their arguments. The creativity is mildly impressive, but when you have a very strong case,creativity is not needed. I dispose of them too. Lol 😂 😂 😂 😂

Yeah when we was 12 it was kobe vs LeBron we all knew Jordan was the goat.

@@brandonhagin Facts 😂

The conversation really amped up after 2016. That’s when Bron and Jordan stans became insufferable and as a by product, NBA discourse as a whole suffered tremendously.

@@brandonhaginthe fact Lebron never met Kobe in the Finals says everything

Kobe was better then lebron from 2004-2011

Stephen a will always hold 2011 against lebron,but will never mention that bron was the most insanely scrutinized athlete on the planet at the time and that's been the case throughout his career. He joined a new team where d wade was the star and it took him a year and a bad series to adapt, that's about it. He made 8 finals in the following 9 years and wins with 3 different teams! Stop the agenda and speak the facts ffs

@@jonathanfrancis7608 Jordan had a whole book written about how shifty he was to people.....definitely the most scrutinized athlete of his time.....for every point a LeBron fan makes there's facts to smack it down..

Jordan couldn't even get past the first round in his early years and that was before the nba expanded and was basically an all American league. Conveniently leaving out Jordan's failures and highlighting Brons bad moments is a silly way to go about it.

@@jonathanfrancis7608on the contrary, Stephen A defends lebron more than most, people just think hes a lebron hater because when he does go against lebron people make a big deal about it

Skio is wayyy better

it's like a new girlfriend....everything is great in the initial phase, but as time goes on, things start to change

Not overbearing??? You mean just equally INSANELY OVERBEARING right?

True

No he didn't y'all Jordan worshippers just don't listen! Y'all worship the man so hard you ignore all logic

Stephen*
Come on bruh, the name is in the title too.

I caught that. MAGIC WAS 73😂😂

Facts

Magic scored 19 points against Jordan in the 91 Finals on 4-5 shooting most of his points came from the free throw line…Jordan had 36

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@@brianscott3503who are you even replying too lmao this comment is about first take

I still think Brooks debating with Shannon is better.

Lebron the goat

He was definitely more prepared for this discussion 😂😂😂💯💯💯

@@user-wl2wu2qz1ono, no he isnt

Stephen A is a basketball guy

It’s emotion!

Its that hiearchy mentality. That pits people against people.
Turning them into a commodity.
When numbers make the man. How many pounds picked yesterday, dont count for the numbers today.
The GREATEST OF ALL TIME (GOAT) is the one who remains Great no matter the time. 😂

So who is your goat 🐐 of the two

Shannon sounds like a LeShill again with these bogus arguments.
1) Jordan did run into Warriors 17/18 equivalents MANY TIMES. In 86 and 87 he ran into Celtics that had 4 starters in HOF. Then next 4 years he ran into Pistons that constantly had 3 HOFers in Thomas, Dumars and Rodman. That's 6 straight years Jordan ran into superb teams in playoffs. Only help Jordan had was Pippen and sometimes nothing.
2) You cannot say Jordan faced an old Magic Johnson in 91 finals and then give Lebron a pass in 2011, 2013 and 2014. What's the age of Norwitzki, Duncan and Ginobili during those finals? That's a shill argument. Jordan at least won in 91. Lebron OTOH nearly went 0-3 during those 3 finals if not for Ray Allen saving his legacy. Lebron's 2014 loss to ol' Duncan was so bad he set NBA final record on losing margin per game.
The only all star teammate Jordan ever had was Pippen, and that's nuf for Jordan to win 6 rings in 2 three-peats manner. Lebron OTOH needed 5 all stars in Irvine, Love, Bosh, DWade and Brow to only produce 4. Lebron needed more help and yet produced less rings than Jordan. He clearly is not as good. In fact, why do we even rank Lebron at #2? Kareem, Magic, Kobe and Duncan all won more. Lebron is not even top 5.

Only that Lebron is no G.O.A.T. Great player yes but G.O.A.T......No!

​​@@B1Kobe0824yea, lebron cant even win defensive accolades with scoring titles in the single season..

Why i like club shay shay. You get lengthy debates or conversations. To time limited on First Take for this.