15 NBA Legends That Played All 3 LeBron, Kobe & MJ Say Who's Better
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- 게시일 2021. 09. 22.
- In today's video we go through NBA players that played against Michael, Kobe, and LeBron James and their opinions on who's the better basketball player.
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When you’re great, you tell everyone. When you’re the greatest, everyone tells you...
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Nailed it right on the head. Jordan's take might be fake humility, but at least he isn't bragging. Kyrie won that series for Flopron with that shot. If not for that, no Cavs championship, yet he takes credit as GOAT after someone else saved the game for him. He seems to forget that he didn't make the shot. I think MJ was sincere when he did that interview, but since then I think he knows he is the GOAT. And Shaq calling Wilt the most dominant is in that same realm. Shaq KNOWS he was the most dominant, but won't call himself that.
Great quote from Walter Payton, and it is 100% true about just about anything.
@@pelnarius2446 you bring up great points. It would have been a titanic clash to see Wilt vs Shaq in their primes---Wilt was an off the charts athlete and said to have been the strongest ever to play the game. Shaq was a freak of nature, for a man that size to move like he could. And I agree--I think Jordan was being sincere and recognizes the game has changed enough that comparisons are moot. One thing that is seldom mentioned is LeBron, with his 2" and 60 lb advantage over Jordan also has enjoyed an era where he cannot be touched going to the basket, whereas a smaller Jordan could get hard foul after hard foul without the player being ejected, yet not only missed far fewer games than LeBron by year but still scored more points if you take equal numbers of years (15) as well as played defense better AND won the dunk contest twice. Sorry, no comparison.
@@tombanaski3251 They also don't mention the amount of money Floppy James spends on conditioning. Jordan did what he did while drinking scotch, smoking cigars, gambling all night, then kicking everyone's ass the next day. He also retired three times, came back twice, and still dominated.
Anyone who actually thinks James is the GOAT. Was born after 2000. Facts 😂
I won't argue there. Lol.
Not facts
Anyone who thinks MJ is the GOAT was born in the 80s, and use old head logic to try in validate their argument. When most players in today's league are better shooters and better shot creators.
@@imnick693 1999. Michael Jordan is the best. Where that argument goin now?
@@maestrosock9360 you didn’t even see mj play so you just meat riding lmao.
When you are good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you are great, they'll tell you - Walter Payton
Great quote…Also, MJ didn’t do the maintenance thing where you get days off, also Lebron’s early non killer instinct mind set… flops, used to defer to take the big shot. He can never change his history.
MJ Kobe then LeBron. MJ and Kobe are the same but Mike has bigger hands so he gets the edge.
LeBron said by him bringing Cleveland the 1st Championship made him the GOAT. M.J. did the same w/ Chicago and bringing that same team 6 Championships.
Can't agree more
You know... at the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter. But I think the reason it bothers me so much is because I don't think Lebron has the qualities of a champion. I think Lebron is weak under pressure and a poor leader. He takes credit for success and blames the people around him whenever he fails.
Quite simply, Lebron does not possess the values that set a person apart as "The greatest of all time".
People don't realize when they put Lebron James up there as "The greatest of all time" they are actually devaluing the very meaning of the word.
There are a few players over the years that I think displayed a toughness and determination that no one else had. I think Kobe was one of them, so was Bird, so was Magic, and MJ is at the pinnacle of them all. There are probably a few others, Kareem and Bill Russell come to mind. Maybe Tim Duncan. But it's a short list. And I don't think Lebron is on that list.
MJ the goat but Bron was saying he bought back a championship by beating the greatest record of all time 73-9) beating the greatest team made him the goat is what he's saying
LeBron sounded so dumb and stupid after he said that. I think even LeBron himself realized how dumb and stupid he sounded after he said that
Mj was just as aggressive on defensive as he was on offense. Never worried about getting tired🧐
Lebitch would say what’s defensive.
So was Kobe
Dude defense?? Hahahahahah in the early period! Watch the old videos
mj did play defense what u mean he won dpoy so what are u even talking about @@visibleangle7147
Kobe wasn’t relentless on defense, he picked his spots. He could’ve been much better.
All these greats have spoken but people who never played in the league wanna say otherwise. MJ and Kobe are unmatched!
MJ is unmatched. Kobe is like a counterfeit MJ.
Kobe isn’t even a top 20 shooting guard statistically in fg%, apg, rpg, bpg, spg
Most players that played with all 3 for very long played with an 18-20 year old Lebron and he still schooled them
Legoat
Paul peirce just called lebron the 🐐
Facts and lebum doesn't even come close to them. I don't like the video cause it mostly talked about MJ & that bot lebum the queen of flops james
Here's something no one talks about, how artistic Jordan was with the ball. His plasticity, the way he moved and flew with the ball has been copied but never matched. The excitement wasn't just on the descriptive dunks and shots made, they were, partly if not mostly on how he dunked and made those shots. It's a numbers game but there is an art to it and Jordan was in a league of his own.
MJ was the first player I saw that was completely smooth & coordinated the whole time. It’s common in the league now, but Michael broke the mould.
You obviously didn't see Julius Erving play😮😢
MJ's idol, Dr. J, was up there with him (if not better) in artistic play!
his game was poetry in motion
Yes Jordan was very creative
MJ never took a night off. I live in Sacramento and clearly in Jordan's era the Bulls did not need him to play to get the W vs the Kings but Jordan still laced em up every single time he came to Sac. Mad respect. Watching MJ and Mitch Richmond go at it was a pleasure.
mfker he literally retried for 2 years lmfao
@@arigatogyro260so what. Took 2 years off to play another sport. Came back an won 3 more. Was still unstoppable an the greatest after taking 2 years off. Lebron has never been the greatest or best player a single season he has played. He cant win 3 straight even 1 time.. damn sure couldn't take 2 years off an come back an even win 1 damn sure not 3. He's a joke
@@daviddavis3684 Way to totally miss the point genius.
C Mitch n Oakland
@@arigatogyro260 He was forced to due to gambling. He was sooo big that they couldn't just ban him, so he was forced out for 2 years. Look what happened when he came back. He and his team won 3 straight championships AGAIN....If that doesn't tell you how great he was, then I don't know what does.
The way Iverson praises Kobe just makes me feel a certain way 👏
Killers respect killers.
..The mamba man, a certified serial killer...
Iverson knows Kobe is the only reason he doesnt have a ring. They absolutely battled in the 2001 Finals. It was amazing to watch
Yeah dude!
Gives me chills!
He called him a serial killer 😭 rip mamba
Can we also point out that MJ took 2 years off to try out for baseball after the first three championships, then came back after not playing ball to win three more in a row. I was one of the lucky ones to be alive in MJ's era got to watch him play on tv and once in person. Also another little fact about MJ. No matter what team was playing at home if MJ was going to be there it was a packed house because even fans of other teams wanted to witness MJ live. It was something to see.
"FYI"did you knowwhy he makes that early retirement??
@@alexander4615 why did he retired early?
Dont forget 95 ... they lost to shaq before they got rodman.
And that's just some of the reasons Michael Jeffrey Jordan is DA G.O.A.T!!!!!
FYI he left the game after the 1st 3peat because his father was KILLED!!!!!!!
The last minute of the video provides the conclusion. One shameless self promotion completely divorced from reality and one humble and respectful admiration of those who come before.
This. 100%
I’ve watched all three and love all three but Jordan was the most insane thing I’ve ever watched! I’m not forgetting Kareem, Magic and Larry! Those are my eras! Wasn’t alive to see Elgin Wilt and Bill! All great in their own right! Jordan just had a little something extra!
GP, summarized it the sentiment perfectly. What separates MJ and Kobe the most from lebron is that their mentality. MJ and Kobe don’t even know the meaning of tired in the heat of a game.
Agreed. The think about MJ to is that he loved the challenge and took everything personally, which drove him to be the greatest. Not just that, but the athleticism and speed he has is crazy
Let's stop this mentality shit LOL What separates MJ and Kobe from Lebron is their SKILL. They are literally the 2 best basketball players to ever walk to Earth. MJ and Kobe have the 2 best mid range games and footwork of all time. Kobe on the other hand had a pure shot from 3 and crazy handles. I don't understand how Kobe can be better than Lebron in every aspect of basketball except passing yet ppl still think LeBron is better. Ngl Kobe got some weird hate from the NBA. Only 1 MVP when he should have had 3 or 4, and then David Stern personally vetoing the cp3 trade when they allowed Miami big 3 the year before. My list is Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, Lebron in that order. I can confidently say MJ and Kobe won't lose a 1v1 to anyone under 7ft. Then you got Lebron out there getting clapped by Michael Beasley in 1v1's.
Kobe wasnt gifted with Lebron's physical feature and natural talents. All Kobe had was the killer instinct and drive to always try and beat you. And from that drive he worked on his game to become the 2nd greatest. Even if Lebron gets a 5th ring he will not win over Kobe. He just doesnt have that killer instinct that MJ and Kobe had. Also he bounced around teams. I think that fact will always linger in people's minds when comparing Kobe and Lebron. A die hard laker til the very end or a ring chaser always having teams built around you the second you sign the dotted line.
@@tien5tri Couldn't agree with you more. I just wanted to point out that it's more than Kobe's mentality that separated him from everyone else. He's 10x more skilled than Lebron and even Jordan. Lebron and Jordan are probably the most athletic players ever. Jordan had the skill to go along with it that's why he's the goat. And yea Kobe stuck through 3 years of a g league roster when Shaq left. And he could have ring chased after his achilles injury but stayed. The Iverson clip stands out the most to me...did people really just forget the shit Kobe did? Hands down the 2nd greatest and easily the best scorer ever (along with Wilt).
@@Gabriel-ld9hn but mentality's a huge part of it. That's what kept Kobe and MJ from doing silly shit like flopping, team hopping, etc.
Also, it's that mentality that never allowed them to get outplayed by a role player for a finals series.
Lastly, at no point did Kobe or Mj have to be pushed to a "legacy on the line" game before they showed the heart to lead their teams to a championship.
I find it weird how most players, a primary source, say that Kobe > LeBron yet the media tries its hardest to make it say LeBron > Kobe
Because literally in stats accolades peak he wipes kobe
It's the Bronsexual Agenda parroted by Blindbackers (blind witnesses)
lebron is a puppet thats why.
That’s because media members want to have access to the queen for interviews
LeBron beat Kobe 16-6 In career games.
Dude at 12:20 was shaking his head like hell naw. Every time I see that, it cracks me up 😂
Right. I'm like who the hell want's to be down 3-1 in the finals!? NO DAMN BODY. Not on MJ's watch. I don't care if you won. MJ been ripping the CAVS hearts out for 13 years. He come there when won one championship and couldn't back it up that next year and you left. While when MJ won and kept on winning. I can see why this did shaking his head in the back.
This is the definitive compilation of takes on this (let's call it) "debate"
Well done 👌
I like what Iverson said. Well said they forgot the Mamba #8/24
they forgot about Olajuwon too!!! unstoppable !! still leads the league in blocks!! only player ever to block Kareem's skyhook, at the peak!!
@@Moorfeeus you mean wilt chamberlain
@@Moorfeeus lmao, he didn't block no kareem skyhook
@@ronaldlewis1761 him too...my bad.....Olajuwon more impressive, cause he was the shortest postman at the time
I knew it's always gonna be MJ top #1 but I'm happier knowing Shaq, Charles, and Allen and many others rank Kobe over Lebron. Rest in Peace Kobe! Mamba forever!
Always Kobe over leBron
It's not even a debate #Mamba
ikr everyone puts lebron over kobe but kobe is better
Game on the line, Kobe taking the last shot, not lehron, 100 out of 100 times
@@heywassup3672 lebron > kobrick
I like the way this guy puts these videos together 👍🏼
It's fun to discuss, but so subjective. We are so fortunate to watch highlights from so many players whose talents are so incredible!
Its weird how NBA players who’ve seen them play put Kobe over Lebron yet the media tries their best to say that Lebron is over Kobe
NOT TRUE KOBE WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER NO MATTER WHAT MEDIS SSY
Because money is in now
Lebron clearly better
Larry Bird would mind eff them both and walk away with the MVP
Cos Lebron has way better stats than Kobe, Kobe's finals stats are abysmal he only had 1 really good goat type finals series in 2002 the rest were below average shooting.
A lot of fans in this generation didn't see how entertaining player jordan is
They didn't see kobe either tbh the average fan today started watching in 2013-16
@@jordanwilson3120 truje
@@jordanwilson3120 and they're the most annoying era of fans of all time
Was
@@supremium6841 swear. Watched bball for like 3 minutes and think they're opinions matter 😂🤦🏽♂️
If Kobe had never had that 1 legal issue i believe more of a certain group of people would give him that #2 nod unamously. It took the media a long time to let that go. And then Gail King reminded everyone of it the day he Passed (or the next day) and i believe Gail would have been fired if Oprah wasnt in the picture.
You mean when he raped a woman. And while he was married. Is that what you are referring to?
Snoop Dogg also reminded Gail King 😂😂😂😂
I respect your opinion, but honestly, men are the ones who rule the sports world, and the opinions of men matter most. Kobe was just two years younger than me, and I believe my generation and older (especially) don’t even think about “that legal issue” when it comes to the discussion of how great of a basketball player he was. I respectfully disagree that has anything to do with it. No one cares that MJ has a gambling problem, or that he was unfaithful to his wife etc.
I simply think it’s easier to forget about the “2nd ‘GOAT’ of all time”. Bc Kobe came after MJ, but before Lebron, he is simply getting lost in the discussion of “who is better, MJ or Lebron?”, bc the average sport fan assumes Lebron (bc of the media hype and constant discussion) is fighting for/chasing that # 1 spot with MJ…
The reality is you can always have an argument over who the GOAT is, but after you get past the first two to three spots, then you’re simply pushing around stats. Stats don’t always tell the story of greatness. If they did, then how does a guy like Rodman win so many championships? Is it just bc he was lucky enough to play on a good teams? Of course not, that is how much he impacted the game too. Same with Artest, Tony Allen, or any other number of great defensive players. They may not have scored as many points or had as many assists, but are those championships won without them?
@@eliotschmidt1475 Are you talking about our when he rape$d that woman? That’s not an issue for you?
Lanzo? Dat was a good one. You sincerely made me LOL. THX!
I don't see Jordan when I watch LeBron,When watching LeBron, i see Magic..I see Jordan when I watch Kobe..at the end of the day..they are all great players 👍
Lebron is different of jordan and kobe lebron is GOAT
LeBron is nothing like magic... Completely different styles
@@ahfei6847 facts, absolutely disrespectful to compare magic to lebron, magic was filthy lebron is not
@@stephengilramirez7214 in your dreams kid
Sooo True 💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’ll never forget watching Jordan for the first time. I was all about Magic Johnson. Then my best friend said the bulls game is coming on watch what Michael Jordan can do. I sat down like man forget Michael Jordan who the heck is Michael Jordan. Let me watch this game and see if he everything you say he is. Man that guy put on a show!! Dunks reverse Layups you name it. He was like a video game character. His moves were like next level. Good NBA players looked silly trying to hold him. That one game made me a believer. So yeah Mike will always be the greatest!
I love this story!
Exactly what I thought ... thanks you!
After Lebron quit and walked off the court in the finals game Heat vs Dallas he became automatically disqualified from the goat consideration. A champion does not quit period.
My respect for Allen Iverson for putting up the respect for Kobe.
He is one of the greatest basketball player we have.RIP Mamba❤️
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Russell = 19
8) Bird = 17
9) Wilt = 16**
10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16
**Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969
BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
Kobe's efficiency stats, which are stats that really matter, make him average. He was known as a 'scorer' right? His last-second shots clanked 75% of the time. He never one time shot over 50% from the field in a season in his entire career. NOT ONCE... his lifetime FG% is sub 45%, which is average. That means he shot a lot... that is all. In the Laker's first 3 championships, 2 of which were legit, he wasn't even close to being the best guy on the team, with Shaq being the most dominant player in the league in those years. Kobe wasn't even in the same league as Jordan or even LeBron for that matter... BTW, LeBron is working on his 10th season I believe shooting over 50% from the field, and of course, his triple-doubles are light years ahead of Kobe, and a long ways ahead of Jordan also... LeBron is the closest thing to Jordan, except he doesn't have Jordan's heart and drive and quiet leadership skills, which takes him down a lot in the spectrum, but still far ahead of Kobe
Jordan is the GOAT and Kobe is right behind him. I don’t care who is 3rd
@@FreedomFighter2112 basketball is a team sport, you’re giving team accomplishments to individuals.
@@georgegraboske3725 Wilt is #1 … Kobe was only an all-star at avoiding traffic.
MJ's game is beauty to watch, all moves are smooth but so effective at the same time. There will never be another Mike 🐐
Correct,
GOAT MJ👍
Kobe Bryant
Yeah, there will never be another mike tyson💪💪
@@rockyherreralapore5897 true again 😁
What dudes like TMac, Vince, AI meant when they said "As great as LeBron is.." is "We used to cook bron" 😂😂😂
Just for these 3 to be in this conversation 👌🏾
“ MJ ALL DAY “. Ray allen said👍👍👍
This why I have so much respect for MJ, even his thought process respects his predecessors. The absolute difference between elite players and great players.
bro you really believe that shit he said😂 that dude wanted to seem humble for the camera he didn’t gaf bout no predecessors😂😂
@@tylerdinger9859 absolutely. He argued with Wilt face to face over who is better, and thought he was better than Wilt.
He says that because that’s the only thing he can admit to. He never competed with his predecessors so he can’t truly just say he’s better. He would love to have the chance to play his predecessors so that he can win and brag about it.
@@riffsthatkill2180 that's because he definitely is better... my ghost grandpa who was amputated during ww2 played against the dude
and mj did it all with so much style, if a player wants to be goat, they have to beat mj in stats and do it with moe style, not likely to ever happen. kobe is the closest thing well see for a while, he made it look so good like mj.
I'm blessed I got to Michael Jordan's every game since 1988. Thank you pop's for showing me this man. 5 bulls rally s my dad went to all 6. He was known as Hulkster. You look very much like hulk Hogan . Miss u pops. Thank you for the great memories 🙏
When you think of these player's playing one on one i think it comes down to two people, Jordan and Bird because of their confidence....i think that confidence is huge when it comes down to GOAT beating GOAT.
I believe Wilt would beat Jordan or Bird one on one
@@jimmulcahey9312 you definitely have a good argument but unfortunately we'll never know....unless science can make perfect clones or something.... 😂 But I do agree with you, Wilt would definitely be on the same scale of experience as these guys.
I love that Michael Jordan doesn't say he's the goat, which makes him more than the goat, everyone on this planet knows he's the greatest ever, even LeBron.
Man blow this man comment up why yall HATING this comment hit 3 facts
That's why LeBron wore 23
Love LeBron but have mad respect for Jordan for taking the high road on this
He definitely knows he the goat.
That's what kind of disqualifies LBJ from the goat conversation for me. MJ and Kobe were both beasts and they were exciting to watch every night. LBJ is cold and calculating, often making cheap moves and allways concerned about his overall greatness more than the game he is playing.
The moment was never too big for MJ. I saw LJ look small in the finals. MJ never let that happen.
Yea lebron disappearing against the mavs in the finals and also disappearing against the celtics the year before is hard to defend. All i can say for lebrons case is after that mavs series he never disappeared during the playoffs again. Mj and kobe are really different than lbj though and kobe had some failures but it wasnt lack of trying. I mean kobes first playoff series he air balled three 3s and got eliminated because of it. That could of ruined most teens but he just worked harder. And during game 7 against the celts where he obviously had a horrendous shooting night he never got deterred after three quarters of poor shooting he still put up 10 in the 4th which was more than anyone else on either team and he got 15 rebounds in the game.
@@marioturcotte7938 yeah im not a lebron guy myself but one thing that i always will give him credit for is since 2011 he has almost always delivered.
😂😭His team way by far better, what do you mean. He never faced a team that posed any real threat. That’s a hard task. I watched those finals live, dude the teams are anything near the Bulls. The Bulls could’ve won without MJ.
@@lees5953 "bulls coulda won without mj" 🤡🤡
@@koshinaden263 😂If you get them nuts of your mouth. I just need a yes or no did the Bulls make a deep playoff run and almost make the east finals? Boy MJ wasn’t anything without Scottie. Scottie take the best player ever night. 🤡is your seed.
Im so relieved to watch and see the facts from experts!!
I love that Scalabrini trip😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Michael Jordan's era of defense is the hardest so rough and tougher then lebron's
FACTS bro. The NBA now is HORRIBLY soft smdh 🤦♂️
Put LeBron in a time machine and let him play a game against the Bulls, The Pistons, The Jazz, The Lakers... HE wouldn't win a 7 game series against any of them. Even with a cherry picked dream team.
He'll he was part of a USA basketball team that DIDNT win gold lol.
@@danlyons4602 FACTS bruh
@@danlyons4602 yea because there were tougher defensive players also to name one Denise Rodman a beast on defense
And just the fact that Jordan had his insane scoring averages in that era... I can't even guess how many pts a game he'd have in today's league!! No defense, games have higher scoring totals these days. Jordan might put up 50 a game haha
I watched all three of these guys and by far I’m taking Jordan over the two! But, Kobe would definitely be my #2 LeBron #3
Lebron probably is in the top 10.
No
Exactly
@@sovanpattnaik9820 then who?!? Kobe #1?!?
💯
Morris Peterson was one. He had in depth perspective on how their offensive game was. Too bad it's hard to find any clip of him.
This has to be the most powerful prayer I have heard. I receive this. ❤❤. Thank you
I think the difference is really between the mentality of Kobe and Mike brought vs the mentality Lebron brought. Jordan and Kobe were competitive at everything. They hated losing more than anything. I don’t think they were as obsessed with being the best of all time but instead they wanted to be the best player on the floor at all times. I honestly think that’s why Kobe retired. I think he didn’t want to be the second or third best player in the league.
LEBRON WILL NEVER BEAT KOBE AT ANTHING HE DON'T HAVE THE MENTITY
kobe admitted after he retired he didn’t hoop much because he found it useless since he wasn’t trying to be the best anymore at that part of his life
I disagree with your comment about kobe's retirement,he retire because of his achilles injury,I wonder what will happens to lebron if kobe will play 2 to 3 more yrs. I dont think that he will be aknowledge😂😂😂😂😂
The injuries that he has forced him to retire even he does'nt want to..
But Kobe quit against the suns
Different mentalities. MJ never took even a minute off. From 86-91, 5 seasons, MISSED ONE TOTAL GAME. The second 3-peat after baseball, MISSED ZERO GAMES. Nobody in this era has that mindset to ever approach Jordan's greatness.
Think Kobe had same mindset.
Stokton though
@@Mexecho Yes Kobe did. Definitely not Lebron.
@@chibill467 Might as well add Karl Malone (slippery slope)
Sick mentality retiring in your prime…
Ive always been a fan of Hakeem Olajuwon. He is the only player in NBA history to record more than 200 blocks and 200 steals in the same season.. but MJ is the goat, kobe is up their in my opinion..
They didn’t count blocks when Wilt and Bill Russell played
I agree to billups
Salute
Kobe even said out of his own mouth, "There's No five championships for me without Mike.....Period"
#1 MJ
#2 Kobe
#3 LeBron
So he lost those times as the favorite on purpose?
bron is two, he dominates kobe in almost every stat
Bron is like Super Vegeta, where kobe and jordan are SS2 Goku and Gohan. We all know whose better.
@@azneau28 obviously not.
Kobe is top 10 and lebron is top 2
Legends and Players who actually played in NBA: MJ, Kobe, Lebron
The media and others: MJ, Lebron, Kobe
Lebron: I am the greatest
😂😂
Greatest thing about sports it's ALL subjective 💯
Magic Johnson is one of the reasons why I’m a lakers fan but what’s up with that duck in the outsde window 4:16
Well clipped. Reggie Miller's clip was best to me because of his unbiased approach. It came down to who played top defense too.
Praise Mr. Miller for his awesomeness.
I think Reggie loves when people talk trash but can back that up. MJ is that type of guy, he loves Bird too... Guess what...
Same here. Reggie’s always came across honest and to hear him shout out kob was awesome, followed by cwebb giving roses to the much deserved 8/24
It's kind of forgivable when youngsters overlook the older greats. But when people 40-70 yrs old do? Nah. Something's wrong. What's worse is when there was a legit Kobe/MJ debate for like 10-15 yrs, and LBJ was always chasing that, and then out of nowhere LBJ magically surpassed Kobe (and Magic... and Bird, and Wilt, and others)...wtf??? I'm a huge Lakers/Kobe fan, but even I'll admit Kob was always trailing MJ. He did not equal or surpass him. BUT...until KB got badly injured, in his true playing days he was widely considered the closest ACTIVE one behind the GOAT, especially by NBA players. ...Kobe and LeBron would naturally be in most historians' top 10 or so....but it's WEIRD to hear some of these 40-70 year olds in the basketball media rank MJ as #1 and LBJ as #2, or vice versa (even weirder), when they themselves clearly stated LeBron was behind Kobe. ..This is all way before LBJ was passing Karl Malone & Kareem on all time scoring list. ...A lot of room for disagreement on all this. But there was a weird Kobe snub way before he passed away, and I suspect it was the NBA's effort to present a cleaner image. Kobe F'd up off-court. LeBron didn't. Pass the mantle from MJ to Lebron, I'm guessing. Who knows.
@@darren2329I have lebron at 6th. People go nuts over this. Mj kareem, Duncan, Kobe, magic, lebron
@@darren2329I have lebron at 6th. People go nuts over this. Mj kareem, Duncan, Kobe, magic, lebron
When lbj says he's the greatest player of all time dude on his left says no.
Yeah he no the 🧢 is real
Can not carry Mr Russel's shoes. Only half the character. They know nothing of racism which they bitch about 24/7. Russel never kissed no Chinese ass.
More like hell no 🤣
Yeah, anytime you call yourself that, you automatically take yourself out of the discussion. When everybody else says it, then you know you are that guy.
Lol. He was 3-4 in the finals when he said that bullshit...he is 4-6 now...Kobe went 5-2 and MJ went 6-0...
Kobe and MJ both did it without chasing any of those rings to other cities.
The way this video ended is amazing.
Kobe played in the slowest era and most difficult era. If you study Kobe, his work ethic his words you will become a better worker at whatever you do.
No,he didn't play in the most difficult era and what did his words have to do with playing in that era?
For those wondering why Kobe got left out for a while.. during his career, he played the villain so well that much of media. They didn’t start to really give him his flowers til he was about to retire.
So spot on ! They wanted him out of the sport but how when your the best
he was a selfish player for much of his career, especially early on.. sorry, but its true..
@@soramirez5473 shouldn’t take away from his achievements
@@rogeliouribemusic no, but if im picking a team to win it all, i will pass on him for less selfish players.. I will say that he is the 2nd best shooting guard of all time.. so unless Im having two shooting guards, he wont be in my starting 5..
Lbj is always trying to call himself which is a joke. Kobe n mj nvr needed to
"I don't get 5 championships here without him" - Kobe's comment about Michael Jordan 🐐 in the Last Dance Documentary
That's why their gameplay were almost identical but kobe had his own style.
Kobe Bryant showed he could do it without Shaq, Michael Jordan left to play basketball and when he came back he went back to Pippin instead of going somewhere else to show he could do it without Pippin, Kobe said that in the last dance to be a nice guy, but Kobe still did it, and Michael Jordan fans take that to heart just because Kobe said that, go watch the video where Michael Jordan told Kobe you can wear the shoes but your not going to be the man and the next game they played Kobe just walked all over Jordan, Kobe was better than Jordan and he proved it, just because Kobe didn't have great teammates to win more championships, but Jordan always had Pippin, face the facts
Jordan's right no one can say who's the greatest of all time because the greats never played against each other in there prime
@@hashmoncrief6965 When did Kobe prove that? Walked all over Jordan when?! I hope you're not referring to prime Kobe vs 40 yr old Wizard Mj.
@@philipstrotherjr8842 nah latter years of Chicago. Kobe did own him than. Still end of career though
Billups comment is the exact description of mike and kobe
The common theme is that you can’t just blow Lebron past Kobe. Lebron is definitely top 10, maybe top 5, but there bumping some REALLY great players. People like wilt, Russel, and Kareem. I mean, the rivalry between wilt and Russell was legendary. I don’t think Lebron could have beat either of those guys in that same rivalry.
I just love listening to Michaels humble comments about feeling embarrassed and cringing when people declare him as the greatest of all time. He said nobody knows because he never got the chance to play against Chamberlain or Russell. His response was amazing❤
He sure doesn't feel embarrassed calling himself the goat lol because he has before he also told a player to not disrespect black Jesus
One interview doesn't reflect the entirety of his character or establish a standard.
@@geezer.d.luffy. I never heard MJ say that he is the GOAT unlike Lebron. The black jesus thing was just trash talk cause he acknowledges his own skills.
@@geezer.d.luffy. lol jordan was trash talker and bird called him that a guy jordan looked up too. You dont call yourself a name its giving to you.
@@ssor2816 bird called him that like I said name is giving
I can settle the debate. Several years before MJ retired the media started asking who’s the next MJ. They gave the title of next MJ to multiple players including Kobe and Lebron. Nobody is asking who the next Kobe or Lebron is. And after Lebron retires the debate will start again, who is the next MJ?
Exactly.
I will tell you why this debate is very complex .
Kobe and LeBron might just have reach the " Jordan level " . Greatness , clutchness in the most important times , and titles .
Kobe proved it by winning 2 more title after shaq left . He did it against a Celtics team with , Kevin Garnett , Paul Pierce , ray Allen and rondo . 1 vs 4 and with a broken finger. This accomplishment is unmatched .
LeBron is the most complete player of all time . His best ability is his assist game . But he can dunk , and shoot 3 point . He can do it all . LeBron early miami was the best player of all time . He could jump higher than. Jordan , dunk stronger , was leading in assist and defense . He also won 3 title in 3 different teams . Each time final mvp .
So now we have 3 level of greatness .
And we are witnessing the 4 the level of greatness stephen curry the best shooter of all time .
Kobe had the mind , because he didn't have the body like MJ .
MJ had the body , the mind and the skills.
LeBron had , the individual skills , the teamates skills , the body , the longevity .
And curry is making everyone want to shoot more 3s
I am.. the LG is gonna be dead in 3 years when lbj is gone
@@isaaspirit9895 Nicely put wirh the arguments and the analysis.
But it's not complex, you pretty much summed it up, MJ is the greatest easily.
Perfectly said I don’t think I’ve ever heard this argument ended like that and I couldn’t agree more!!!!!
The reasons I believe alone gets lost in the shuffle is one Shaq. Shaq got a lot of credit for Kobe’s first 3 championships. He was the anatomy that won the Finals MVPs. Second reason he was a replica of Michael with a slight tweak. If MJ was a Rolex then Kobe was an Omega. Third reason he has the amount of total MVPs of the 3. Last one is all time list and how many times you see him in the top 10 in Scoring Rebounds Assist Steals and Blocks.
If only LeBron stayed in Cleveland all his career…
Then, we can start talking.
That’s what MJ and Kobe did.
Never left the team just for the sake of winning a ring.
No matter how difficult the team situation was for MJ or Kobe, they never left.
Kobe considered to leave the Lakers and move to the bulls. Jordan once considered to leave the bulls and move to the knicks. Lakers and bulls just put more money on the table to keep them. Bulls and lakers builded great teams around jordan and Kobe, something that cavs wasn't capable to do for lebron.
In the Early days of the NBA, there wasn't much question who the best basketball player was. It was Wilt, and nobody questioned it. Then guys like Kareem, Dr J, Bird, Magic came along and people started to make arguments about one being better than the other, but no definitive answer to who was the greatest. They were all great in their own right. Stars of the league, and legends of the game.
When Jordan came along, it was like something out of a writer's room. Within his first month as a Bull, people began to take notice of this kid who was absolutely dominating everyone. Nobody could stop him. The minute that man laced up his shoes for the first time and hit that court, he was already talked about with the likes of the greats. People questioned, just how good could this kid get? Years went by and Jordan never waivered from that mark as the best basetball player of his time. Pushed past Magic and Bird, and stood at the top of the mt. rushmore of 1980's and 1990's NBA.
There was a time before Jordan where it was debated who was the best ever, when Jordan arrived, there was no longer a debate. He broke the game. now, over 20 years after he retired from the game of basketball, people still compare the stars of the league and legends of the game to his name. He will forever be the greatest basketball player to ever walk the Earth. Players will come and they will pass, but whoever joins the game today knows there is only 1 name they will compare yours too, no matter how great you are. And you know what that name is.
Hogwash.
there is... its mj... by far...
Bill Russel deserves a mention. By far the most successful NBA player ever. I recommend the video “Making the case-Bill Russel” for more
Let me add to this... he's not only the greatest basketball player of all time, but the greatest athlete of all time. There was nothing like MJ back in the 90s
@@sheriffdraws8789 Bwahaha ha ha ha. Greatest athlete of all time. He lost thousands of dollars to a golf hustler and spent two years in the minors because he couldn't hit a curve ball. He was also unreliable shooting from outside. He could drive and dunk. That's it.
MICHAEL JORDAN RAISED THE BAR ON THE NBA AROUND THE WORLD 🌎
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT 🏆
Yup, the dream team has produced ALL of these euro players! Thank you Mike
Without Julius Erving there would be no Jordan or Kobe. He carried the ABA. Had the first huge selling shoe line. Invented the modern dunk shot and fast break. Made movies. Never got hurt. The analytic freaks say, He didn't have a great outside shot. But he had charisma. That was copied by later players. Besides basketball is a team game. Better to have an all decade team. Honorable mention for this list-Clyde Drexler. Just as talented and he carried a small market team.
GOAT is a tier list not exclusive to one person. So many factors in categorizing them will never leave a conclusive and satisfying answer.
The Kobe disrespect always pissed me off. I've always had him over Lebron...who's lost more finals than he's won. Kobe 6-2. MJ 6-0
Kobe 5-2 , MJ 6-0 , LB 4-6
@@julioreynosa6924 jordan 1-9 playoffs before his savior pippen showed up
@J so in your narrative pippen is the goat? 🤣🤣🤣 C'mon man..
The whole lost more finals is a tired argument, especially when talking about Kobe. How many Finals MVP does Kobe have in comparison? How many NBA MVPs? I'm not saying Kobe should not be brought up, I'm saying bring a stronger argument.
@@tonyt6172 no, if that was the narrative bill russell would be the goat. jordan didnt start winning until pippen came around + he had incredible defensive players, he was getting swept 1st round before all that. he had a pefect storm which allowed him to shine. LBJ is the greatest player of all time
The case is closed. I am 62 years old and I have seen them all play.
1) MJ
2) Kobe
3) LeBron
Finally someone with some sense. When I say kobe > lebron all these lebron fanboys tell me I’m crazy and delusional like tf?
I'm 66 years old and Kobe is not better than LeBron so he should be #2.
@@willieedwards3732 Funny how all of the pros and people that have played with both literally every single one of them says Kobe huh…..?
But I guess you (some random on the internet) know better than them huh lol
@@fearlesscheshirecat1411 Talk very cheap! Everyone is going to pay their respect to Kobe including LeBron.May God Rest His Soul In Peace.I hope you can understand this.LeBron James have over 37 thousands points to Kobe 33,643 pts.LeBron Have over 10 thousands rebounds to Kobe 7,047.LeBron have over 10 thousands assists to Kobe 6,306.LeBron FGM 14,296 to Kobe 11,719.LeBron FGA 26,852 to Kobe 26,200.LeBron FG% 50.4 to Kobe 44.7.LeBron 3PM over 2,444 to Kobe 1,827.LeBron 3PA 6,022 to Kobe 5,546.LeBron FTM 7,743 to Kobe 8,373.LeBron 3P% 34.5 to Kobe 32.9.LeBron FT% 73.4 to Kobe 83.7%.LeBron OREB 1,682 to Kobe 1,499.LeBron DREB 8,952 to Kobe 5,548.LeBron TOV 5,200 to Kobe 4,010.LeBron EFG% 54.4 to Kobe 48.2.LeBron TS 67.8 % to Kobe 55%.LeBron over 2,200 sts to Kobe 1,994.LeBron over a 1,000 BLK to Kobe 640.The only category that Kobe is better than LeBron is Free-throws percentage and Kobe Bryant played 20 years to LeBron 19 years so the hell with what these old timers say LeBron stats speak for him and that's nothing but the facts.Them old ex-players are jealous of LeBron cause he out did all of them,at least Shaq had the balls to say he are jealous of LeBron.So do some research guy so you know what you are talking about.I am not stuck on a basketball player cause I seen the best before Jordan,Kobe and LeBron and watching great players today Funny Man LMAO 🤣😂😂😂😂
@@willieedwards3732 Again, funny how you (a random online) know better than the pros.
Truly extraordinary!
Michael did it because of his generously God-given ability to fly... and Kobe did it because he poured his heart and time into it... Mamba is an amazing example of "practice will make you do it"... his whole life revolved around basketball
MJ” no one know” who is the best ever. We know Mike, you are the 🐐
Mike was incredible defensively as well. Consistently all nba first team defense and was the defensive player of the year in 87.
Don't Forget....First Defensive Team
Last Time 97-98 With 35 Years Old.
9 Times in 13 Years With The Bulls.
10 Scoring Champion in 13 Years.
M.J Played 82 Games 9 Times Of 13
Defensive Player Of The Year, Leader
In Steals, And Scoring Champion With 35+ Points Per Game....That's
Spending Energy.....Also in 1988-89
M.J.Play Like 23 Or So Games at Point Guard.... Because Regular Point Guard John Paxson Injury His
Knee....And Bulls's Head Coach Doug
Collins Send M.J.to Play Point Guard
No Problem For M.J. (15 Triples Doubles in 23 Games....7 in a Row And The Day That The Streak Was Over At 7 Going For #t 8, in a Row.
in That Game He Put (42 Points)
(14 Assist) And (8 Rebounds)....
(5 Steals) and (2 Blocks). The Next
Day in The Papers. The Headline Was (.M.J's Streak's Over.) Cause He Spoiled
All The Fans.....They Expect This Class Of Games From His AIRNESS 90% Of The Time..and He Deliever. that's why is the greatest of all times THE G🏀AT and MAYORITY OWNER
OF AN NBA FRANCHISE, AND HIS OWN JORDAN'S BRAND. TOTAL 2.3 BILLIONS. MAGIC, BIRD, RESURRECTED THE NBA, M.J. REVOLUTIONATED 'n' TRANSFORM
THE NBA FOR THE BEST AND THANKS TO THOSE 3 LEGENDS
SPECIALLY MICHAEL JEFFREY
THE NBA AND BÁSQUETBALL IS
KNOW AROUND THE PLANET🌎
THANKS,
So were pippen and Rodman with like 19 all nba defense awards combined. How many did wade, bosh, kyrie and love have combined remind me? You might as well just check wade cause rest have 0
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Russell = 19
8) Bird = 17
9) Wilt = 16**
10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16
**Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969
BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
@@bennymoret1339 Amazing stats... Jordan was in a league all by himself and it was 2 leagues ahead of everyone else
Kobe too
I've watched all 3 of their careers from the start. Jordan as a freshmen in college, Kobe and Lebron in high school. (1) Jordan, (2) Kobe, (3) Lebron. As a footnote, when Lebron was a rookie, I predicted he would become the GOAT..... but he never passed those two, and I don't base ANY of it on the number of rings. I'm talking pure basketball skill!
Well, on skill, you need to add others before James. Bird, for one. And I agree with you-playing more seasons (accumulating more stats) shouldn’t change the order. We’ve seen enough.
@@jordan-xe2yb This video is about Jordan, Kobe and Lebron... why would I add Bird or anyone else to the list? I'm responding to the video...
This is an argument the same way flat earth is an argument 😂
Allen Iverson echoed my sentiments exactly, "What, they forgot about him?" Every time I hear this MJ vs. LBJ conversation it makes my taint convulse when they just forget about The Black Mamba. So disrespectful. Glad the players know. They played against them and saw them up close and personal - not the media or these fan boys.
The Legend was always bashed by the media
No respect for Larry legend here.
@@reno11558 he ain't in same conversation as MJ n Kobe
@@SilentMovements305 he’s certainly in the top 5, Larry demanded the last shot, James never seemed to want it. Riley said I’d pick MJ to take the last shot to win a game, I’d take Larry’s last shot to save my life.
@@reno11558 top 10 yea top 5 questionable last minute shots yea I go wit MJ Kobe n bird. Lebron isn't trust worthy the thing wit lebron is he was a "freak" athlete but if you notice his game has never changed since coming into the league all dunks n pick n rolls thats y his field goal percentage is up there. Not a bird fan but the man elevated his game switched it up couple times n played against the ShowTime Lakers even he lost he did a number on Magic
As a Knicks fan that grew up in the 90s, I’ve seen each player in their prime and MJ is most certainly a cut above. And this is coming from someone that wishes I could say someone was better. MJ crushed my dreams every year in the playoffs
Everytime, Smh. We threw the kitchen sink at this dude and he killed us and everybody else, and made it look good while doing it. GOAT and its not even close.
@@mob2544 I agree. This is a very mature take. But I’m not eager to say anyone is better than Jordan.
@@mob2544 I agree. This is a very mature take. But I’m not eager to say anyone is better than Jordan.
Knicks fan here, I know your pain well
Grew up in Chicago and yeah…we hated you knicks!
You all missing Timmy. Best 2-way player, 5 titles, won 70% of his games, never a losing season, 19 straight playoff appearances.
Ranking of the Post 90s generation
Top5:
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Lebron
Duncan
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Curry
Michael Jordan is above them and they know it. The phase “the Michael Jordan of” became a thing in society and it signifies excellence in whatever field. Kobe, Lebron and whoever else that came after. Are excellent no doubt in their own right but Jordan was in his own league there’s no denying it. Others going to bed, Jordan still playing ball after all the crowd left. Others can reach the summit but Jordan will forever be the mountain.
Yes, there is more than just one goat. It depends on the era of play even if they overlap. GOATS.
None of these guys could guard the great Nate Archibald in his prime. Greatest player ever
Webber said it all for me. For me what separates Mj and Kobe from others is the there absolute killer instinct.
lebron is a better all around player easily
@@brentw0681 Wake up
@@brentw0681 Could only be said by someone who never saw MJ play... pure ignorance.
@@brentw0681 dude stop😂 Jordan couldn’t be stopped… i can name multiple teams and players who have stopped Lebron… golden state is lebrons worst nightmare
@@TheBaptist07 the pistons stopped jordan's 3 times.
i would agree. kobe was insanely skilled. i still think jordan was thr best ever overall, but kobe was really incredible to watch too. i have always thought kobe is underrated on the best player list. i would personally put kobe ahead of lebron without a doubt. the dude just didnt miss
Kobe was a volume shooter, he actually missed a lot
@@m.r.daileyii1180facts lol
Except in the clutch. He was a choke.
@@JoeKoOhNo not against the kings
Bullshit
I liked how they showed Jordan being humble and Lebron being proud that he won ONLY 1 for Cleveland while Jordan won 6 For the Bulls lol, yes the ONLY titles the Bulls have is from Jordan
The discussion will always be "era" specific.
LeBron: "Winning that last one made me the greatest player of all time! I'm The King of The World!"
Planet Earth: "No.. It's still Mike, so stop begging!"🤣
He is abit ahead of himself... Most people know how he won the title in 2016, 5 Cav players + 3 refs vs 5 Warriros players. Period.
I hate when people act like mikes the universal goat. Im a wilt guy
The Mickey mouse ring??? Lol.
@@billr5842 how’s that a Mickey mouse ring it wasn’t rigged or anything
@@billr5842 JUST. A
Bogut injury isn’t anything the suspension isn’t anything since dray came back the game after that sus
I'm just gonna say if MJ came straight out of high school playing the way he did as a rookie, never retired, and injured he would have the scoring record that probably no one can catch. Remember he only played 13 HEALTHY years and and got scoring titles for 10 of them averaging 30+ pts
If he played in this era he'd average 50
That’s a huge what if though, he didn’t do you gotta judge based on what we know.
@@Knight23able ik. I'm going by how I saw him play. He averaged over 30pts a season, I dont think that have stopped tho
I agree to 30 points times 82 games times 17 seasons and see what you comes up with watch mj numbers lol 😂 40 plus thousands points maybe close to 48 thousands points
You forget he played 82 full games every year for most of his career in a more physical nba league. The one that calls himself the goat barely played full seasons
What about "who would you rather have on your team?"
This is the easiest way to answer this question. I watched all 3 and all their careers. Mike is the best, Kobe is the closest thing I ever seen to him. In my eyes if you're running a pickup game with all the greatest players ever MJ is pick one Kobe is the second.
MJ is the GOAT and a world-renowned icon !!🙏❤️
If you watch a HIGHLIGHTS REEL of all 3 of these guys, u can clearly see KOBE and JORDAN are far more superior than LEBRON when it comes down to PURE Basketball SKILL 🏀💯
It's because LBJ is built like a PF and plays SF in the era of perimeter players. MJ and Kobe were both guards playing in the era of dominant big men. MJ and Kobe needed to pull out real magic. LBJ simply drives to the basket and many times people rather dodge than commit a cheap foul.
Facts
@@jakubkrivanek3112 its because your a kid. You dont know basketball.
@@jakubkrivanek3112 Facts
💯
I am a Laker fan to my very core, but Michael Air Jordan is the best player that I ever seen to play the game ( especially @ his size ) and the over all talent and adversity that he had to go through and endure, placed him in a class all by himself.
Same in every way.
100 percent correct
💯
I was a Magic Johnson fan & Lakers fan. So I hated on Jordan while he was playing. With that said I couldn’t agree more. He’s def the best I’ve ever seen. He’s a stone cold killer. Didn’t sit out games Bc it was the 2nd of a back to back. 6 finals, 6 rings, never even let it get to a game 7.
MJ turned a losing team into the most dominating team in the NBA. Turned millions of people into fans of basketball. Lebron picked a winning team was not able to make the difference himself. Takes games off. Mike brought it every game no matter what, never did he consider a game not important. Most influential player ever.
This is the way I always end this discussion: Who do other players (especially Kobe and LBJ) wear on their basketball clothes?
"I have a competition problem" - MJ.
MJ played tougher competition. The east was rough during his era and they played a different kind of defense then. It was stop MJ no matter what even if you have to get him off the court by injury
@Not Robot funny thing also he calls his self the best but will not take the open shot at the end of a close game instead he will pass the ball to a teammate and if they lose the game he will be kicking over trash cans all the way to the locker room and blame his team for the loss
@Not Robot idk bro he has made the most clutch shots in history.
Jordan by far. He was a assasin on both sides of the court. Extremely letal in big games. Not only imposed himself by sheer ability, plus by his mentality. That's the origin of Mamba Mentality.
Jordan 1 and Kobe 2.
@@bamajeff7988 Jordan is goat. Kobe second best SG. Not 2 greatest of all time.
@@TheGr8-1 Who better than Kobe?
@@bamajeff7988 Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird, Bron, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Wilt.
@@TheGr8-1 How can have Magic when he played with 5 HOFers. Yeah, you just a hater. Hard to say 1person is great while having somebody he played with 2 spots behind him like Kareem and Magic who played n in the same dam team. You not just a hater, you don’t know shit about basketball 😂
Just remember. When they introduced the 75 greatest NBA players of all time. They named Michael Jordan last. That says all we need to know
never a debate...media hyped up debate.
When you hear what Jordan says about being called the GOAT and LeBron calling himself the GOAT, that's all I need to make a call.
"it's disrespectful to those before me" - Jordan
"I'm the greatest of all time" - LeBron
Jordan's mindset is even greater
Nah some legends r cocky and some aren’t. Doesn’t take away from there greatness. This isn’t the most “humble” goat it’s the goat. They both r very close
@@mocahmcgrady7530 + We all know Jordan's WAY cockier than Lebron
How can you pass up? Kobe how can you not say anything about Kobe Bryant being the best basketball player and skilled of all time
Lebron knows!
I watched all their careers and I can say it’s jordan .. with out a doubt .. he was just different.. drive and athleticism were off the charts
Ok after Jordan who else do you have? Kobe or bron?
i mean kobes right there with drive, i mean his work ethic was honestly unmatched
Agreed I'm a Sonic's fan and grew up hating MJ. Still he's the GOAT. It is what it is.
@@matthewgabbana1478 kobe
@@Kysere unfortunately his work ethic was all individual and didn't help him understand how to utilize his teammates.
That Durant comment from Webber didn't age well LoL