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- 게시일 2024. 04. 25.
- Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Victor Cruz debate whether New York Giants Eli Manning deserves a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Should Eli Manning be a Hall of Famer?
No
1st ballot HOFer at that.
ESPN yes
YES
How is this even a topic... yes he’s HOF, less successful players have made it so yeah obviously he should be HOF
Stephen A: it takes a team to win a super bowl
Stephen A: 2 minutes earlier said "Eli" missed the playoffs 10 out of 16 seasons
Can't make this stuff up.
Sean F this is such an underrated comment. As a packer fan this man beat us twice to get to the super bowl. We had Hall of Fame quarterbacks both times. Eli deserves to be in the hall of fame for sure!
He is basically saying Eli was the constant for the Giants in his career and 2 outlier seasons shouldn't be enough to get into the HOF. That's SAS point anyway.
Keenan Nash that might be what he meant but this is a common thing people say about Eli. HE had X amount of seasons missing the playoffs but the TEAM won 2 Superbowls.
It's always been a TEAM game... problem is THE QB GET ALL THE CREDIT WHEN THE TEAM WINS, AND ALL THE BLAME WHEN THE TEAM LOSES
mo doe that's the problem. He's not getting all the credit for the super bowls but he is taking all the blame from SAS for the losing seasons
So many QBs would kill to have Eli's resume
Jordan Metts a lot of QBs would kill to have his defense to
Faylon Johnson he still won them those two Super Bowls
None of them are in the hall of fame though
C S there’s garbage qbs in the HOF boy don’t be stupid now
and none of them would be hall of famers
Everyone is a gangster until they face Eli in Superbowl.
erik puka Eli da 🐐
Yessir
So, when a guy scores 17 and 21 points against a team that just averaged over 35 points per game for an entire season, he's the MVP? Please explain. If even an average Brady shows up, those scores are blowouts.
@@tomknapp6194 The defense made Brady below average in those games. Brady didn't play poorly, because of a slump, he played poorly because of the elite defenses.
@@blueballedtech You mean the "elite defense" that gave up 45, 35, 31, 41, and 38 points in the regular season? Yeah, think about that for a minute. Seriously, in 5 of 16 games, they gave up a MINIMUM of 31 points. I do not see how that qualifies as an elite defense. In the post season, they basically gifted Eli a SB MVP, but most of the time, they were terrible. Oh, yeah, and 4 of those 5 games were against teams that didn't score more than 20 points against the Giants in the playoffs.... And that makes Eli a superstar? I've been waiting over a decade for someone to realistically explain this to me.
"He's not gonna break out of the pocket and make a sexy throw." Yeah I mean I guess. Except for in 2007 on 4th down to basically win the super bowl against the undefeated Patriots.
It was 3rd down and should have been called back for holding
@ John Wayne. Almost every play in a game should get called back for holding
But they don’t
@@detroitscoldest rewatch that play and tell me all 5 oline men didnt hold
Go back and watch any NFL game and tell me that there weren’t at least 8-10 holding calls missed
Hall of famer or not a hall of famer, He did give us 18-1, so I respect him no matter what
True that
Did he gives that or did a wide open plaxico buress and pressure defense give us that.
# 1 or when he broke out the sack?????
A1 Gamer yess
David Tyree & God deserve to be in the HOF
2 Super Bowl MVPs? He's absolutely a Hall of Famer. Do people forget how great he was, especially in the 2011-12 playoffs where he was the clutchest QB in the league
We "forget how great he was" because he was mediocre or worse WAY MORE TIMES than he was "great" And we know those SB MVPs were given to him. He played okay, and had two magical passes at the end of the games. His D kept the best offense in NFL history at the time (07 Pats) to 14 points. I'm sure ALOT of teams would win SBs with that kind of defensive performance. Just ask 2016 Peyton, who's D owned everyone that year.
@@goldenkizaru1560 I couldn't agree more. Eli didn't do much against Brady who destroyed the league in the regular season, yet Eli gets credit for the win. I have yet to find a NYG fan that can properly explain this to me. It has been years that I have been asking.........
@@goldenkizaru1560 lol show us your nfl resume see how you do
@@tomknapp6194 everyone blames the qb for winning or losing. But people try so hard to take that credit away when it comes to eli
@@joejoemartinez6059 At first glance, it looks like Eli was the MVP of both SBs. Until you realize that the defense held the Patriots to 23 and 18 points below their season averages..... And Eli still barely won. Eli literally played 8 straight playoff teams that were 6-23 points below their season average and still barely managed to win. If all those games were played and those teams just had their average scores, Eli wins 1 game. By less than 1 point. And those are the facts.
Eli was a below average QB carried by the defense.
Can we give Eli some credit he’s the reason Tom Brady doesn’t have 8 Super Bowls
Hall of famer for sure
Gooey Louie it’s crazy how they keep disrespecting him so much
Gooey Louie Giant defense had something to do whit that.
Omega8kilo what was your point I’m lost
Giants holding onto their wins against the patriots as if it still matters. Since then they pray they even win the division. And their division is the weakest! From that time til now. Patriots have won multiple superbowls. 🤣
The moment Stephen A said Eli didn’t deserve MVP in those two super bowl victories it became hard to take him seriously.
I could see a case be made for someone on defense in the first one but I would agree with the second being deserved
Those 2 seasons were the best offensive seasons of Tom Brady's career and the defense shut him down. Sacks, tackles for loss and they held Moss to just 62 yards.
Huh? You act like Eli was the runaway MVP of that game. A lot of people thought Justin Tuck was the MVP.
I don’t get the playoff thing, it’s football he doesn’t play defense and he has the worst o line
@@TheCruzan26 That's why Super Bowl MVP awards are a complete joke and shouldn't be considered when evaluating a player's career. The award almost always goes to the QB of the winning team unless a RB or WR has insane numbers. That wasn't going to happen for those Giant teams built on great defense.
He's a HoF for sure. When Stephen A. brought up moments. It's bc Eli has done it at way higher more pressured moments than Dak. He won 2 SB
Why you mention Dak
@@Blingman121v3 bc if you didn't watch til the end Stephen A mentioned Dak and his moments.
Jacob Garza he a 500 quarterback over 15 seasons he not a hofer at all
The defense isn't outscoring the Pats in those games. Eli and the offense is.
How? Longevity doesn't equate to HOF. The level of play matters.
Cowboys fan here but i respect Eli. He should be in.
@Luna EB maybe but it didnt happen. Romo cost us alot of games. I think he was very very good but not great
@Alvalanker i love NYC. Great city ,nothing like it.
Bro Aikman is in so should Eli. He only won 1 less Super Bowl than Aikman. And his stats destroy Aikman. And Aikman definitely belongs in the Hall. So does Manning.
No he shouldn't
@@chancep8985 over 57, 000 yards thrown. 366 TDs. 2-0 in Super Bowls. And 2 Super Bowl MVPs. What more do you want from the guy? He dwarfed Aikman's numbers and won 1 less Super Bowl. Troy is in. So should Eli.
Stephen A. Smith you're wrong and here's why you're wrong...
@@jamesthomas1649 that would be Phillip Rivers
@@jamesthomas1649 Joe Namath is actually.
Nah that title belongs to Rivers.
Lol. So Rivers played great during those post season games?? Eli has a higher passer rating than Rivers during the post season. Rivers is not a big game qb. He got smoked in Foxboro last season.
Hes right
Dude really brought up dak Prescott like he won 2 rings I’m done af
Dac will never have a "moment" like Eli has had.
Yea that was just dumb af..Dak is never gonna have the resume that Eli has
Kevin Lamont dak will have better stats then Eli if he keeps on track. I would have dak as my QB then Eli heck If Super Bowls means everything so Joe Flacco a HOF?
Coolpecan joe got 2 rings and 2 mvps
PullupintheG G35 joe only got 1 ring but no ones says he’s going be a HOF cuz he doesn’t deserve it. I think Eli gets a lot credit cuz if he’s last name
If Joe Namath is in the HoF Eli Manning will easily be in the HoF, SAS literally has no idea what he's talking about when he says "Hall of Fame Quarterback"
Thank you ! Joe namith is in so any qb should b in
4 weeks ago Stephen a Smith said Montana is the goat because he beat Bret farvre and Troy aikman in the Superbowl... that's what he said. Rewind the tape. He should never talk football again
Romeo Williams where is that from
@@egg14able44 ESPN first take....it was with Damien Woody or either Marcus Spears.,.. Max kellerman or anybody else didn't even correct him...he should have had his football card token right then indefinitely and expeditiously
The QBs with worse stats that are in the HoF are QBs where the game of football was played differently.
SAS, it doesnt matter how he got it done, the fact is he got it done. he got his rings by beating the GOAT Brady TWICE, which was a team effort, which he played his part. He may not be a 1st ballot HOFer but he is a HOFer nonetheless. this man just can't admit when he's wrong. Dak hasnt won a super bowl as of right now, yet alone sniff the NFC championship game
What about Joe Flacco and Nick Foles winning a Superbowl? If they win a 2nd one should they be in the HoF?
PrinceH8907 how is he wrong when you didn’t say anything he said was wrong? Name one lie he told on Eli please. Eli Manning never lead the league in anything but turnovers 3 times , and he leads the league in total turnovers since coming into the league in 2004
Brady Not My Goat 🐐
PrinceH8907 the defense won those games he’s not a hall of famer
Eli’s not a hall of famer, when most have to even think about it you already have your answer. Eli’s defense won them both of those superbowls, and other playoff games also have an affect, just like Brady’s game vs the eagles he lost but still had a great game, or Rodgers losing in the playoffs he still had great games despite the losing effort. Those games I wouldn’t say give you a boost but they show your not going out without a full fight. Eli doesn’t have that
At some point we will have to question Stephen A's credibility because lately he's been getting out done by Max
Accepting to be stretched thin will do that to someone
3 weeks ago Stephen a Smith said Montana is the goat because he beat farve and aikman in the Superbowl....that's what he said .. rewind the tape. His opinion on football doesn't even matter anymore
@@romeowilliams8020 Montana is the Goat. Montana much like Peyton, proved his Goatness when he went to another team (KC) and almost got THEM to the Super Bowl. He also never lost in the SB. Eli is a HoFer, just not as solid as others BUT I can't believe that Max and Victor at the end actually tried to make the argument *for having Eli over Peyton* as if Peyton doesn't have 2 Super Bowls and 5 MVP's and running into Brady and Belicheck year in and year out.
@@romeowilliams8020 He was right on that one
Being a cowboys fan, I’ve seen Eli Manning play for a lot years and without a doubt he should be a 1st ballot HOF
Being a Cowboys fan since Staubach and I can honestly say that I'm sorry to have seen Eli retired. He was terrible. He's literally worse than QBs like Tannehill, Cutler, and Mayfield. And I don't see anyone saying those guys belong in the HoF.
@@tomknapp6194 What are you smoking?
@@jdolo4670 I take it that you don't think those guys I mentioned are very good?
Can you tell the history of the NFL without mentioning Eli Manning? There’s ya answer ...
We can also talk bout jamarcus Russel. Wats ya point?😂😂
187 Misfits Spade can’t have the narrative that Brady is the goat (which he is) if he lost 2 Super Bowls to Eli led teams one of those teams were 18-0
@@nathanprohaska3505 cant compare the 2 regardless
187 Misfits Spade when did I compare them?
@@nathanprohaska3505 you didn't but Brady is hof worthy, Eli isn't
Did he really just compare prime Eli (2 Super Bowls) to Dak Prescott... At this point I’m just coming to believe Stephen A doesn’t know football..
Like Stephen need to be drug tested lol
Des Hanson you didn’t get what he was saying because you think Eli is a hof. So somebody who’s the highest paid talker for spots don’t no anything because he told the truth on Eli? Name a lie he told please just one !
True Journey how for telling the truth ?
He doesnt. Not hard to see. Thats why he always brings up empty stats and calls it a resume to hide the fact he knows nothing about the intricates of the game
@@jkappakj4652 for one you gotta learn how to spell better. Using " no " for " Know " is inexcusable. Secondly, when Dak beats Brady, Rodgers in the regular seaaon, let alone PLAYOFFS then idiots like you can talk. Comparing Dak Prescott to a 2 Time Super Bowl champion who is also 8 - 3 in the playoffs is idiotic
he kinda has to get in from a standpoint of his historic significance to football, it's impossible to tell the history of football without mentioning eli manning because he lead one of the nfl's most important franchises (in the biggest city in america) to 2 superbowls as the mvp of both
AND went head to head with the GOAT twice and beat him both times in the only game that stat-whores like to talk about when their backs are against the wall and can't say that another player's stats aren't good enough, i.e. "Okay, but how many rings does he have? I rEsT mY cAsE."
Eli set nfl records in 2011 and had amazing stats in both runs but ok SAS
That actually false. Go check his 2007 Superbowl run. Let's just take GB
Eli 21-40 251 0tds 0ints
Farve 19-35 236 2tds 2ints
Farves last int ended the game as the Packers were driving for the win. The defense and running game (2 running backs totals 130yds 2tds) won the game.
Tashan Ty Taylor that’s one game, look at his 2011 run it was far better than 2007
Tashan Ty Taylor lol nice job pointing out one game in -12 degree weather where if you watched the game(obviously you didn’t) you would know he threw it extremely well
Couple Years should not make you a Hall of Famer...
joe chrow No but winning 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP’s should. This is a moronic debate. QB’s play to be great you can’t be great without winning championships. Numbers are garbage in some he’s great and others he’s not good but those don’t define his career it’s stupid to think otherwise.
Eli Manning will never be forgotten. I think that in of itself means he’s a a hall of famer. He’s played a huge part in the nfls history. One he’s Peyton’s younger brother. 2 QBs winning two Super Bowls and they are brothers! Woah! Also defeated the undefeated patriots(Tom brady the GOAT after it’s all said and done.” Not to add his longevity. And the miracle moments in those super bowls. He’s a hall of famer
In 16 seasons the nfc east started 30plus qbs and Eli Manning was starting for the same team for 16 seasons
And he was never the best QB in the NFC East.
@@tomknapp6194 who was better? ROMO?
@@garrettholloway9723 Actually, yes. Romo was a much better QB. He was just victimized constantly by his own team and just bad luck while Eli was a below average QB that had extraordinary good luck. But, his career was not that good.
Eli Manning was most definitely the MVP of those Super Bowls. I have no idea what he's talking about.
your not even black with that fake account....you white boys try way to hard.
@ tito thomas ... Anti-Eli troll.
No Justin Tuck deserved that first MVP.... it's because he's a Manning
His stats alone should have him in the Hall of Fame ...anytime he was in the playoffs he delivered... had Cruz and Beckham showed up in GB he prob would have 3 ... and they could've went back to back had plax not shot himself
@ tito thomas They won 8 games during those runs.
Top 10 all time in passing yards, completions, and passing touchdowns with HOF players both above and below his current spots. Add 4 pro bowls, 2 rings, and 2 super bowl MVPs and there's NO QUESTION HE'S A HOF. And l say that as a cowboys fan. It's not a personality contest. Or popularity poll or some pageant where voters pick who they "feel" is the most congenial or something. Get out your feelings, give the man his gold jacket, and move on.
Are you sure about that? I'm not asking about his totals, but he is a HoF candidate. Think carefully because I have FACTS that will destroy everything that you have posted. And you are no Cowboys fan if you think he belongs in the HoF.
@@tomknapp6194 AAAANNNNDDDD WE’RE STIL WAITING ON THOSE SUPPOSED FACTS
@@AAAA-nv5cf No problem. Facts are eternal.
Top 10 all time in yards, completion, and TDs? That really sounds great doesn't it? In fact, at the end of 2018, I took the draft class of 2004 and they (Eli, Rothlisberger, and Rivers) were all 6th, 7th, and 8th all time for yards and TDs.
Yards:
BR 56194
RM 55981 (-213)
PR 54656 (-1538)
TDs:
PR 374
BR 363 (-11)
EM 360 (-14)
Yep, in a very closely knit group since they all played 15 years at the time. But, let's take in consideration one more stat. No, no interceptions. Yes, we all know how that would end. No, let's factor in attempts.
Attempts:
EM 7972
BR 7168 (-804)
PR 7000 (-972)
Now, we get to the heart of the matter. Eli needed 804 more attempts to have fewer yards and fewer TDs than BR and 974 more attempts to not have as many TDs and slightly more yards. That is nearly two more full seasons worth of attempts to not even have their totals. More perspective: Once you figure out his yards/attempt and TDs per attempt, he is no longer top 10 all time. In fact, he falls to:
Yards/attempt: #91 (Tied with : Andy Dalton, Brian Griese, and BEHIND: Jay Cutler, Derek Carr, Marc Bulger, Chad Pennington, Matthew Stafford, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, Baker Mayfield, Daunte Culpupper, and Trent Green)
TDs/attempt: #72 (Tied with: Andy Dalton, Carson Wendz, and BEHIND: Jay Cutler Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Daunte Culpepper, Baker Mayfield, Jameis Winston)
Basically behind or tied with a bunch of guys that no one would remotely think of putting in the HoF.
4 Pro bowls? That's a good point for 16 years? Geez, Romo had 4 pro bowl (and a second string all pro) in only 8 complete years.
Never an MVP. In fact, never in consideration for it. Sure, he was nominated in 2011, but just because he was in the playoffs. Other non-playoff QBs had better a better season. In fact, he was never even the best QB in the NFC East.
2 Rings? He was literally carried by the defense. In 2007, Romo, Favre, and Brady (All QBs that destroyed the Giants defense in the regular season to an average of 35 points per game) were all having one of their worst games of the year (averaged 17 points in the playoffs) and Eli still needed multiple lucky plays to pull out a win. Same thing in 2011 vs Packers (although not a close game that one time) and Brady again. Please tell me how that makes Eli an MVP. Someone on the defense should have received it.
Ever re-watch the 2007 season SB? In the six plays leading up the the "Helmet Catch", Eli tried to give the game away in 5 of 6 plays. Two high and incompletes into double coverage (Aikman even comments that he lucky to still have the ball), a drastically underthrown 3rd down that could have easily converted. Jacobs bails the Giants out by Inches. Eli scrambles and caught from behind, fumbling the ball, and recovering between his legs. Then an uncontested dropped interception. That was the MVP?!?!??!
BTW, the are his only good points and now I have shown how they really aren't. So, while the push to put him in the Hall is over in this conversation, I haven't even begun to warm up? Want some more? BTW, before coming back and tell me how stupid or hating I am, please show me where I'm wrong. This is nothing but 100% fact. If it sounds like hate to you, then you are just in denial. The facts show that Eli was lucky and should never be in the Hall of Fame.
@@AAAA-nv5cf AAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDD i'm still waiting on your response. Don't worry though. I get this a lot from Eli fans who get blasted out of the water and then disappear.
2 Rings, 8th in all time passing TDs, 8th in all time pass YDS, 6th in all time completions, most 4th quarter comebacks all time in a single season, the BEST QB in GIANTS franchise history and not a HOF? please sit down...
Zameer Madhani Yeah and how many times he had led the league in any passing related stat in a seasons beside interceptions? I’ll wait...
@@allaccordingtoplan5560
He led the league in Superbowl MVP trophies. Two times..
@@dbreiden83080 Which the defense truly won.
@@tomknapp6194
Then Brady's defense won him multiple rings in NE.. Right? He wasn't outdueling Peyton in the snow in NE. Brady's D dominated.. Brady also scored basically 0 points against the Rams..
@@dbreiden83080 Brady has not had his best games by far in the SB. Some of those wins were lucky ones. I want you to look at some sets of numbers and tell me who is most likely to win based solely upon the skill of the QB. The QB that is 236-70 (77%) or 117-117 (50%). The QB with the lifetime passer rating of 97.6 or 84.1? You want to make it sound like that the bad SB games for Brady were typical of his career. They weren't. You want to make it seem like Eli carried his team to 2 SB wins. He didn't. Everything is not as simple as reading a headline. Eli literally went through 2007 and 2011 because opposing QBs were having one of their worst games of the year. Those would be the Cowboys, Packers, Patriots, Packers (again), and Patriots (again). If even an average QB for those teams show up, almost every one of those wins would be a blowout. Those teams were literally averaging at least 28 points per game for an entire season and then none of them score more than 20 and that is because of Eli? Please explain.
If you want to win a regular season game while trailing, I’ll take Peyton. If you want to win a playoff game while trailing, I’ll take Eli.
If between Peyton and Eli, I would take Eli when........ Well, never. Peyton is almost 2x the QB that Eli is. Eli was lucky and luck runs out. And that's the bottom line.
@Risner France Garces What did Eli do to earn those MVPs? Two lucky plays and led the Giants to 17 and 21 points vs a team that just averaged 35 points per game. The true MVP was the defense. Eli just benefited. So, yes, he was lucky.
But, let's really drive the lucky point home. What did Favre, Brady, and Romo (x2) do to the Giants defense in the 2007 regular season? An average of 38 points. And then in the playoffs, none of them had over 20 and that was because of Eli? Please explain. In fact, Eli has never beaten a playoff team that scored more than 20 points.
So, once again, yes he was lucky.
@Risner France Garces I guess you haven't watched the NFL like I have for the last 45 years. All it takes is one bad break to bounce a team from the playoffs. Eli literally had multiple lucky breaks each game to barely win against QBs that were having one of their worst games of the year. Does that sounds like a HoF QB to you?
And you do realize that Eli has been to the playoffs more than 2007 and 2011, right? Let's summarize those two "SB runs". 4 playoffs, 4 games, 4 losses, 3 crushing defeats, 1 shutout, a combined 3 TDs (less than 1 per game), 7 ints (almost 2 per game), 1 game over 169 yards, and a 54 passer rating. You do remember those years also, right?
He’s a borderline Hall of Famer. I’m not too sure he ISN’T.
shortstackJMD96 Best answer..Eli might never been the best far as talent, but it’s so many QBs that would kill to have his resume..Eli is the sole reason why the Pats don’t have 8rings
@@shinsukecorbin425 Eli led the league in Interceptions 3 different years and is 116-116 in wins loses. He's a hall of famer but not a first ballot hall of famer.
Sam joe Namath had a 173-220 TD-INT ratio Eli is 362-241
Kevin Lamont don’t forget about them eagles boy 🥇
I don’t know how good Eli really was, but I can tell you I will always remember the plays he made vs the patriots. Gotta be HoF
Xavier Duke Eli was within the top 10 in QB's every year.He didn't make the playoffs alot of years bcuz of injuries throughout the team.A couple of those years if they would've made the playoffs Eli would have 4 rings instead of 2
Eli is a HOF’er there shouldn’t be a debate. He shouldn’t be a first ballot though.
tito thomas I mean there are a lot of nfl players that don’t deserve to be in the hall of fame that are. Eli should be in it too
TimothyKK who doesn’t deserve to be in the HoF? Some of the originals held records at the time but there stats don’t look great now but Eli is a modern day qb with stats similar to a qb from the 80s. It’s not close
@@jamesthomas1649 Those 2 games were Super bowl finals dude he beat a 18-0 Patriots probably the best team of all time and he beat brett favre at lambeau and aaron rodgers
tito thomas tf you talking about two games? You mean two Super Bowls. You mean two historic play off runs. You mean two SB MVPS.
tito thomas top 10 in all major passing categories. Beat packers on the road twice, beat 49ers, Cowboys, bucs on the road and beat patriots twice in superbowl and 2 superbowl mvps
Stephen "He is not a Hall of Famer" Smith
Max "Eli Manning has 2 Super Bowl MVPs" Kellerman
Kevin O'campo only because his last name.
good debate what determines greatness, playing great when it matters most or, playing through the regular season
I love it they got under Steven A. Smith skin at the end. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The giants beating the undefeated pats that year was like the cavs beating the warriors that year.
Not even close. The Cavs has help from the refs, injuries and a bogus suspension. Not to mention curry disappearing in the biggest moments
nobody cares about the refs and bs.. the warriors had to win 1 game that’s it and couldn’t even do it so. They choked man lol
ForrealForreal nope i would say giants was more impressive. Nba rides bron
Kyle Lancaster so u saying Draymond suspension ain’t play a factor in the Cavs coming back? Don’t be ignorant fam
Yeah it was, but Eli was the Dellavadova of that team.
Not Max's biggest fan but trying to debate whilst the two other people sat on the same table are looking at their computer screens must be annoying as well as disrespectful.
I love Max and Vic when they talk about the Giants/Eli 😊
He isn't first ballad but surely a HOF career. Not too many QBs out there saying they got 2 rings ESPECIALLY against Tom Brady and Bill Bellicheck. Wont go down as the most accurate or strongest arm, but seriously CLASSIC super bowl moments came from this man.
between 1:10 & 1:25 SAS literally repeats himself three times like he got caught in a glitch 😂
Fr had me dead 😂
He's not first ballot, but he'll be in after 5 years of eligibility. Like him or not, he has a HUGE spot when talking about NFL history in the last 15 years.
Eli Manning ended The Patriots undefeated season. That’s already enough to be HOF.
Did he end it or his team end it?
I just want my baby No it isn’t.
With a lucky catch. Body of work gets you into hall. .500 record is good enough
No, the defense ended the Patriots season.
@@dreg5845 All hustle no luck.
Stay off the weed Stephen A
nice fake account white boy
He’s not wrong. He’s had 2 good years. That’s not a good career
EXACTLY STEPHEN IS FULL OF U KNOW WAT!
He's right.
You must be on the weed if you think he a hof so you gtfo with tht shyt an thts💯
Moments define you. Eli has had more moments than almost any other hall of fame QB. Without question he’s a HOF
Statistically, he is NOT a HOF'er.
116-116 record
60% completion rate
362 TD to 241 INT (1.5/1 ratio)
241 YPG
84.1 QB rating
For comparison's sake...
Tony Romo's career stats:
65% completion rate
78-49 record
248 TD to 117 INT (2.1/1 ratio)
254 YPG (if you don't count 2016 where he played 1 game as a back up and passed 29 yards)
97 QB rating
The difference in the conversation is that Eli was an iron man and won the super bowl (albeit twice). The first year they won they ended a Patriots run that seemed impossible. Which was impressive. But he didn't light it up... The defense shut down, what might have been, the greatest offence in NFL history.
In 2007 they won 4 playoff games, yes 3 were on the road. But, Eli's completion percentage was 60% and he averaged 214 YPG. Not impressive.
In 2011 they won 4 playoff games. Eli's completion percentage was 65% and he averaged 305 YPG. That is a way better post season! But it was THE only one he ever had.
The other 4 years he made the playoffs, he lost the first game they played!! 6 playoff runs in 16 years is rough.
He has had 5 losing records in 16 years (not counting year 1 and this current year). He has finished 8-8 twice and 9-7 twice. Leaving him only 5 good season of 10 or more wins.
Best stats:
12 wins (2008) - exited first round of the playoffs
387 completions (2015)
66% completion rate (2018)
35 TD's (2015)
8 years of 15+ INT's
308 YPG (2011)
93.6 QB rating (2015)
If you combine all of those stats that makes 1 good year. But those are over the course of a career.
To me, HOF means consistency. Other than reliability, Eli was not consistent. He is/was an above average talent who made enough good plays at the right time to win the super bowl. Respect for ending an 18-0 season. Respect for beating them again in 2011. But HOF means best of the best. He was good. NOT great.
But if you stack his resume up against QBs who have made the HoF, they would be better than a lot of them.
Why did Joe nameth make the HoF? One super bowl run, where he predicted that his team would pull off the upset and did it. Outside of that? He has more interceptions than TDS and completion % is hovering around 50%. Is Joe Nameth not a HoF?
TheJumpman319 but Namath played in a different era a running game era Eli was there during the semi passing and running game era. When comparing one should compare against QB of their own era. Like put his numbers and winning against River and Rothlesberger...to me he will make the HOF but he will always be the guy where everyone is 50/50 on it.
@@TheJumpman319 I 100% agree with this statement. Joe Namath does not belong in there either with his doodoo numbers. The only thing Namath had going for him, is the fact that, until Marino (ish), the league was all about running backs. So the QB's job, in that era, was to convert 3rd downs and not blow the game. Namath succeeded at that. Poor numbers but in the 60's that was considered elite.
@@srikargarapati7353 I agree. When looking at Eli I'm thinking was he a top tier QB in his era under current the rules? The answer is no. He was never a top five QB and was arguably barely top 10. Being in the 67% of QB's is not good enough IMO.
“I remember the road playoff victories in Atlanta”....
They never played a road playoff game in Atlanta...
I am a Pats fan. This man beat us twice undefeated in the Super Bowl this man is hall of fame no doubt much respect to him
anyone else annoyed stephen a doesnt even pay attention when others are speaking
Yup, He's a rude hack that doesn't understand football.
YEA HES A JACKASS!
Y’all give Stephen a credit for a good espn analysts but this guy is actually a good clown
takes a clown to know one
Alex Bony what r u like 7?
Alex Bony Stephan a smith is only famous for entertainment he’s literally a clown
@@Acedeno0 pathetic comeback, nope but judging on your weak reply I would say you are within the same age group
1:22 top of the screen “ Is Jason Garret coaching for his job in Chicago tonight?” SCREEN WRITER YOU HAD ONE JOB
2 time super bowl MVP. Beat the Patriots twice. He’s definitely a Hall of Fame player.
Stephen A. “ he was class personified” Smith
I'm pretty sure they flipped a coin for this discussion. Stephen A lost and had to come up with some Eli isn't a hofer nonsense.
I think Eli Manning should be an example for future hall of fame quarterbacks. Right now it seems like HoF contention is based heavily on career stats and records. But when you go in depth on the career of Eli Manning you will find a guy who was extremely tough and competitive and clutch and many traits that coaches would love to have for their franchise but those won’t show up on the stats sheet. Maybe the iron man stat will be there but if everybody could truly see these types of things then Eli would be an easy first ballot candidate imo
What everyone forgets is lots of those loses started toward the end of his career🤷♂️and when shurmur started to coach
McAdoo ,Coughlin and Shurmur you mean
@Omega8kilo he only made playoffs 6 times ...of course he lost a lot
6 playoff appearances and 2 Super Bowls?
That’s a 33% Super Bowl victory rate.. against the behemoth that’s New England Patriots, Bill B. And Tom Brady..
.333 Super Bowl winning average.. that’s hall of fame worthy
Eli Defense won both Superbowl please stop gassing him Eli.
IsmokeHiphop Live both sides of the ball are important.
But one thing remains constant in both scenarios.
Eli led offense in final moments of the game. Period.
@@Curbstompextraordinaire so is nick foles a HOF because he won a SB and SB MVP on his first try?
that makes no sense. the guy missed the playoffs more then he made it
The Big Bronkowski that’s a retarded argument. No.
Because he didn’t beat the undefeated patriots with Tom Brady and Bill B.
And then the same caliber team again...
I think ya are confusing Philip Rivers with Eli Manning.. Eli HOF.. Philip Rivers Not a HOF.. pls dont @ me
Not a Giants fan at all but I see Eli as a Hall of Famer. Those 2 Super Bowl runs was legendary.
What about the other 232 games he had in which he was basically marginally better than a backup QB? Don't base his worthiness to be in the Hall on less than 4% of his career.
Mans said sexy way too many times bro nah I can’t 😂😂😂😂
When y’all say “without a doubt” or “no debate” that’s when y’all loose me
when you cant spell "lose" thats when you lose me
@@duprebushnell2488 When you spell "can't" without an apostrophe, that's when you lose me.
KING JAY UNO loose=not right. Lose is the word you are looking for
You look like you lost yourself on your way to preschool
Eli is a Hall of Famer period. This shouldn't be questioned
Terry Bradshaw rode the steel curtain to his Super Bowl victories. Eli beat the 16-0 patriots, the 15-1 Packers, and Harbaugh’s 49ers and beat Brady again in the Super Bowl. I think he deserves a spot.
That's coaching and defense bro..... Eli never even thrown 300 yards in a superbowl game..... he's never won a playoff game besides those superbowl wins...
If I had to pick a QB in the playoffs to win the championship not named Brady or Montana it’s this man once he make the playoffs he is a different man
You do realize that Eli was in the playoffs more than 2007 and 2011, right? He made it 4 other times in which he had 4 losses with 3 crushing defeats. In those combine 4 losses, he had 3 TDs, 7 ints, a 55 passer rating, and 1 game over 169 yards. Don't say he makes a difference without looking at the whole picture.
I remember seeing Eli in his prime. Hands down deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He helped lead this franchise to 2 super bowls in under 2 decades. Some football teams haven't seen a super bowl in 40 years. In my eyes, Eli(and of course, his brother), are legends.
You do realize that those SB runs make up less than 4% of his otherwise average career. Which is the true Eli? The one in those 8 games or the one in the other 226 games? And even in those 8 games, he wasn't that great.
@@tomknapp6194 I think you may have forgotten just how important the role of a QB is in the League. Do you think Eli leaned back on his heels in those 2 Super Bowl-winning years or the years before and between? No. It takes a leader to bring a team's success, good game or bad game; win or lose.
What we don't see are the many pre-game preparation speeches that Eli gave to his team to ensure that they were on the same page; offense, *and* defense. We people don't understand is that it takes a special individual to lead his team to a Super Bowl appearance, let alone win it. Eli's brother Peyton only won 50% of his SB appearances, and may I remind you that Eli beat the Patriots.... *twice.* And not only that, but he also got MVP in one of those.
No, Eli may not be at the same level as Drew Brees or Tom Brady, but he is definitely a HOFer. In his prime, he *was* an elite, because he was still a *leader.* Guys could tune in to that leadership and help contribute to the team knowing that Eli would lead them to success, and maybe a Super Bowl win.
I grew up being a fan of the Giants for a time. It's just my opinion from what I saw.
@@gseric4721 Do you realize that in 2007 with 1:30 to go in the game, Eli had a 72 passer rating against a guy that just averaged 117 over 16 games and Eli still needed a lucky play to win the game. 10 years later, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that wins him the MVP. How was he still in the game? It was the defense, but being on the defense isn't as sexy as being the QB. Eli didn't deserve either MVP. It should have gone to someone on the defense.
@@tomknapp6194 Did they still win against a heavily favored Patriots team? Yes. Did they win it as a team. Definitely. Eli might not have deserved getting the MVP, but you better believe he credited it to all of his teammates.
@@gseric4721 Eli literally never beat a playoff team that scored more than 20 points. Even when those same teams in the regular season scored 45, 31, 35, 38, 27, and 37 points. 8 straight playoff teams scoring 6-23 points below their season average and Eli still needed lucky last second plays for a win. If all those game were played again and the opposition just scored their average from the regular season, Eli goes 1-8, beating Tampa Bay by less than a point.
It was the defense that did all the heavy lifting. Holding those 8 teams to an average of 16 points. Seriously, what QB cannot beat that?
Eli was below average, carried through both postseasons, and should never be in the HoF.
Max schooled him again lol
TEN SECONDS ARE ALL YOU NEED TO WATCH 👏🏾👏🏾
HE IS A HOFer NO MORE DEBATES 💙❤️
Lol dude has only led the league in one category during his career...INTs and was never even a top 5 QB in the league during any year that he played. If you put mediocre players like this into the HOF you open up flood gates for all 💩 players like flacco and rivers etc.
@Digonto Zahid Eli doesn't play defense so he didn't beat Brady..... Tom Coughlin and that defense stopped New England
@Digonto Zahid nick foles would like to have a word with you... Both mediocre
Im a Patriots fan he deserves to be a HoFer.
Jim Plunkett first.
SAS stated it correctly: nice carreer with two great playoff runs.
Actually everything he said is complete horseshit. Because he is just a hater. He did not in anyway take anything into historical context. Take a look at some of the quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame. So many of them have inferior resumes to one Eli Manning. But Eli does not deserve to be in? Yes he does. Joe Namath For example literally made an entire life out of guaranteeing and winning one football game in the Super Bowl. The rest of his career was garbage. He’s in the Hall of Fame.
More great playoff runs than half of the HOFers currently enshrined in Canton. For example, I'm a Bears fan so Urlacher comes to mind. Great player, leader, HOFer...0 SB wins. The whole reason players are paid as much as they are is to take to the field and win a championship no matter the sport. The reason why players like Brian Urlacher and Dan Marino played at such a high level for so long was to get to and win the Super Bowl. You can't tell me that any HOFer who hadn't won a Super Bowl wouldn't trade their stats for even ONE ring.
@@camaro2390
And I would NEVER say that Eli is better than Marino. He is not. But when you look at his fellow QB's in the HOF, this argument against Eli is silly. Players without his longevity, without his rings, made the hall as QB's. There is no rational argument to keep Eli out. You have a much harder time making the case he is not worthy. 2 rings, 2 Superbowl MVP Awards, 15 years missed no starts, 350 plus TD's, 50 thousand pass yards. No HOF? Huh??
@@dbreiden83080 I completely agree, this entire argument against Eli being in the HOF breaks down into cherry picking stats that fit their narrative.
Barely an average career with 2 lucky SB runs. That is not the definition of a HoF player.
I find the clutch argument hilarious. Clearly Eli didn't value all of those regular season games that kept him out of the playoffs.
100% should be hall of fame. He has performed as a good NFL QB winning 2 super bowls and being an example for all on and off the field.
Should he be in? Yes. Is he a first ballot? No.
You’re completely wrong and have no factual basis to stand on.
@@357twilson led the league in Interceptions for three years. He holds no records.
Sam oh yeah that’s a real Disqualifier
@Andy Bailey I can't find one with two super bowl MVPs and no MVPs but here are a few guys I think are comparable to Eli.
Len Dawson who was a QB into the mid 70s. He had several afl Championships was a super bowl mvp went to a pro bowl and was an afl mvp and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.
Bob Griese who was a 2 time super bowl champ 6 time pro bowler and a league mvp who played into the 80s and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.
Kurt Warner who was a super bowl mvp 2 time league mvp and 4 time pro bowler and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer.
I'm not saying Eli shouldn't be in the hall of fame I'm just saying that his 2 super bowl MVPs and 4 pro bowls put him in the company of people like Warner Griese and Dawson. I'd say he's a step up from Dawson and Griese and a step below Terry Bradshaw and Kurt Warner. He'll Otto Graham wasn't a first ballot hall of famer and he did more for football then most of these guys I mentioned.
@@357twilson as a first ballot in my mind it hurts him.
He’s gonna get in because of those Super Bowls. He wasn’t absolutely awful but he wasn’t a great. Also fun fact Drew Brees has around the same number of INTs as Eli
AllBoutBeantown and way more tds
This is seriously misleading. Brees had 1 less interception. On 2,432 more attempts. Just straight totals don't tell the entire story.
Great FACTS Max!!
That wink at the end tho 💀
HOF. Beat New England twice in the super bowl. Enough said.
I’m not even a giants fan but I know Eli deserves being in the hall of fame. It doesn’t matter how he got it done, he got it done. That’s all that matters.
I wasn’t totally sold before I saw your comment but now it really makes sense. He got it done. If you’re a team you can’t really get much more success and longevity with any other qb then they did with him
Uncle Stephen vs Kwanzaa Kellerman
I had too😂
So true...
To those that bring up Eli’s career record take in mind what that record would be if the giants could actually draft well lol. Also joe Namath is in the hall of fame and he threw more picks than touchdowns. Idc about career record. 2 rings against the greatest coach of all time. Nearly passed for 5k yards in 2011... those 2 playoff runs were insanely legendary
Joe Namath shouldn't be in the HOF also... lots of NFL HOFers carreers defined by "moments" or "few seasons".
So he won the biggest things you can win in the nfl but he’s not a HOF gtfo
Eli was good in like 10% of his games and the rest he was avg/ below avg but yup hof for sure. He is as overrated as flacco was
Multiple bad QBs won the superbowl and they're not in or going to the hall of fame
So your saying trent dilfer is a hof qb?
He never won a league mvp. But I do think he is a hall of famer. Just not a first ballot hall of famer.
@Chris Houston so, by your definition of a HOF Quarterback, should Joe Namath be removed from the HOF ?
I love you Victor Cruz and yes Eli should be in the HOF
If you compare stats across the careers of both Eli and Troy Aikman (and this HUGELY surprised me) Eli comes out equal or better in nearly every category, both for a career and by year.
If Troy is in, Eli should be also based on that logic.
This shouldn’t even be a question ( Cowboys fan) Eli should definitely be in the HOF .... in the same draft class as Big Ben and Philip rivers he’s second best qb
Thank you Max.
I think the way Max and Victor break it down, you have to put Eli Manning in the Hall of Fame. When he was at his best he came through with two super bowl MVP and super bowls and he beat three of the best quarterbacks to play the game. Many quarterbacks could not get it done when it counted or in crunch time, so Eli Manning would be a big winner here and that carry a lot of weight in my opinion. In some of those 10 years he did not make playoffs he really did not have good teams but when you gave him a reasonable good team he won superbowls with it so he should be in the Hall of Fame.
What Max said ✊🏼 💯 🐐
100%
If Joe Namath is in for taking down a dynasty team, then Eli Manning is in for doing it TWICE.
I’m a Patriots fan, but I think Eli deserves the HOF, simply put. As a football fan, I’d be happy with 2 Super Bowl wins to brag about, even with all the disappointment in the years. Some teams have been consistent winners, without a Super Bowl win.
3:30 Stephen A and Molly sitting there quickly watching undisputed instead 🤦🏽♂️😂😂
Here’s an oversimplified, barbershop argument: if you can’t tell the history of said sport without said player’s heroics. Sports are about stories. Eli Manning beating Tom Brady twice-you can’t tell the story of the NFL without it.
Like you said, oversimplified. Thank god you’re not on the ballot
A.R. Smith My point was to oversimplify it. There are statistics that bode well for Eli Manning getting in, but I wanted to make a layman’s argument.
They better debate Aaron Rodgers with this same amount of scrutiny I can’t stand SAS
I agree they put all these other quarterbacks above him but he's beat them when it was said he couldn't I remember those runs to the superbowl I remember he broke hearts but it seems like this moron stephen a smith wasn't watching the same games
Ummm there will be no scrutiny Aaron Rodgers is a no-brainer Hall of famer. He's been an elite player for pretty much his entire career and was the focal point of this team every year. He broke a former Hall of famers records of the very guy he replaced. I'm not even a Green Bay Packers but this is clear to any football.
Damon Brown they didn’t state none of that , use the same formula they used and see what you get . Oh yea how many rings he got? Max come get ya plate grandma calling you 🤣
@@sharkbaite3836 they use that formula for Eli Manning because he has nothing on his resume other than those two super bowl wins. Aaron Rodgers on the other hand has been a consistent winner. At no point in Eli's career was he ever considered elite meanwhile in Rogers has been elite for pretty much the entirety of his career and it's finally seeing a decline. But from an individual standpoint Aaron Rodgers has accomplished a lot. Aaron Rodgers has always been surrounded by mediocracy. That's the only real reason he doesn't have six rings himself.
Damon Brown head to head Eli outplayed that man outplayed favre outplayed Brady twice when it matters I’m your man talk to Eli nice 👍 that’s a helluva resume Rodgers cannot day the same he’s basically iverson, fun to watch scores a lot easy on the eyes but has not won , always a bridesmaid never a bride
Stephen “Did i day a word” A SMITH
Never forget that cold NFC Championship game.
1st ballot HOF is Elijah Manning. Enough with the nonsense.
For real like why is this even a debate
@@evoguapo4481 It is not a debate because Eli just was not that good. He literally was never even the best QB in the NFC East. Better QBs than Eli: Marc Bulger, Ryan Tannehill, Baker Mayfield, and Jay Cutler (to make a few). I don't see anyone calling them great. .
Actually, his name is Elisha Nelson Manning. Yes, Elisha. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that you really don't know how bad he truly was if you can't even get his name right.
@@tomknapp6194 don't worry.. They will get his name right on his bust, take it to the bank, lol.
HOF Lock..His name is Manning he played in NY. The Mecca of sports broadcasting. He’s in
It’s crazy how much the media impacts decisions like who goes into the hall of fame
Manning holds Giants franchise records for most passing yards, touchdown passes, and completed passes in a career. In 2012, in a 41-34 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he threw for 510 yards, three yards short of Phil Simms' record of 513.
Nobody:
Victor Cruz: “Its not S E X Y”
Omar Brown I was waiting for this comment 😂😂
Max reaction was like did he just say sexy? 👀 🤔😂
What a weird word to use when talking about football. How many people are thinking about whether something is sexy or not, when talking about football? I've never looked at a quarterback and thought, "that's a sexy throw."
IdiotSavant 13th I have lol
M well, if you’re a heterosexual man, you might be one of the few who would think or say that. If that’s the case, more power to you.
If Eli was a Manning people wouldn’t be as hard on him.
? He is a Manning
I think he means, if he weren't a Manning
If Eli wasn’t a Manning we wouldn’t be having this conversation tbh
Talk that truth Max!
Eli also is basically the cal Ripken of never missing games.
Peter Mitchell right behind Brett favre