Stephen A. disagrees with LeBron being left off of Walt Frazier’s NBA Mount Rushmore | First Take

People forget that after Jordan retired, the league was losing ratings fast, and that slow paced, extreme defense that was played from 1996-2004 was hurting the league. LeBron is one of the biggest factors that has helped keep the NBA going.

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@@dannyllerenatv8635 the pace and defense change is not because of lebron... Its david stern changing the rules in the 2000s what lebron culturally changed is the player movement/empowerement and that gives us crazy offseasons like the one we just had

@@victoooriaful He might not be the main factor, but he was one of the few factors keeping the league going.

What he do?

Correct

EXACTLY

EXACTLY

Shaq should have gotten unanimous in 2000

Kaushal Dave You can blame her for that. You realize everyone sitting over there understood it the same way she did!

Looooool truss cuttin in to that left unstoppable

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Dirk's and MJ's fade. Allen Iverson's killer crossover.

Monica Lewinsky’s kneeling skills

Giannis last season?

Can't give credit to a 3-6 finals record!

@@Keycomicsmarketwatch Jerry west is the logo and his finals record is 1-8

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Because he sits on the bench in the NBA finals because there was no ac in the building.

Because Lebron is severely overrated. Top 8 all time sure. Maybe high as 6. No more. Loses more finals than he wins, benefited from a very weak east for so long

😂😂😂

Hes the GOAT in my book

😂🤣😭🤯

mohammad yawary carrasco

Where’s Bonga

Joakim Noah
Nick Van Exel
Brian Scalabrine
Luke Walton

@@D_Snutz don't disrespect Nick Van Exel like that man

mohammad yawary where’s tony snell

Nah, I got MJ (who I watched a little, mostly late Bulls and Wizards), Magic (I didn't really watch at all), Kareem (I never watched) and Russell (I'd have to be a boomer or older to have watched him).

Pretty much how people rank anything in life

@Leland Joseph nah, it's close, but you're right Bird was better in his prime. Can't deny three straight MVP's over Magic.

Exactly

Jordan is the greatest, most points per game. Never lost more than two games in a row for 9 straight seasons. Won defensive player of the year and mvp in a single season. He played defense and offence just as good, got 9/18 buzzer beaters and game winners that's 50% on clutch! Jordan is unreal, and also has 6 outta 6 championships with 6 finals mvps.

Kobe was on the Lakers and got a lot of votes because of that.

Paulafan5 that has nothing to do with it

Jalen McAlpin nothing at all 😂😂😂😂

probably didn’t deserve 9x, maybe more like 6-7x. 2011 and 2012 he shouldn’t have got first team, those were his older years when he was picking and choosing when to lock players down like lebron does now

ce bruh he didn’t get 1 in 2012 he was second team and did u watch basketball back then he def guarded the best player on the court unless it was a big and how can you as a regular person decide what someone else deserve 😂😂😂😂 the hate be real

sums up the kobe hating media

So true they always hating kobe

Anoop Reji the Malay the last few he didn’t deserve. He wasn’t a better defender than metta world peace towards the end

@@shocktonic they dont play the same position. Bean had the guards spot and Metta would've been on the forward spot so you dont make sense

Kareem never played defense so i dont want to hear about torn achilles defense kobe hate

😂 brilliant

You’re wrong, and here’s why

Tee but I do not disagree with him on this point 💯.

@@manuelserna9224 its tough. If you switched LBJ and MJ and put them in each others eras. LBJ would be 20ppg, 10 assists, 6rebs (due to more physical play and big centers downlow rebounding and altering shots...MJ would be 45ppg, 8rebs, 5asts in todays era imo due to lack of defense, higher scoring and more possessions... plus hed be the best defender in the game. In any era, MJ is #1. Now take them other guys into that same consideration. Todays numbers are inflated, idk if LBJ is better than some of those guys who went thru tougher eras

Darrell Hardy so ur point is he wouldn’t be as good in that “physical league” he is bigger and stronger then MJ he would do more then fine go look at lebron 6 years ago he would have no problem lol so when people say that argument it’s dumb

Fr lol she completely misunderstood the question & quote like obviously nobody said Steph should be ahead of Lebron all time or especially mt.Rushmore she started comparing Steph & Lebrons career like wat ?

Walt mentioned Curry...they all understood the question in that way.

Walt mentioned Steph curry as if his unanimous season outshined everything LeBron has done in his GOAT career, she understood it fine

Ad Makaveli I do think they all interpreted it that way but I don’t think Walt ment it that way. I think he was saying they’re were more deserving players of unanimous mvp and in this era if steph can get it then its sweet. Which led to his LeBron argument..

She knew what aha was talking about. If your talking about Rushmoors’s snub LBJ then mention Curry?!!!Why did he mention Stephen Curry in a Rushmoor conversation while leaving LBJ someone he went against and got it against come on.
Waltz was out pocket he was was rappers call “sneak Dissing” plain and simple

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You left out "first let me say"

😂😂🤣🤣🤣

Teezy “The guy is SPECIAL”

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Kobe is a top 7 player

Titlebreaker who is better other than kareem and mj?

@@yeatdagoat173 Kobe is a top 5 lebitch is a top 10

Max a Bronsexual

Mac G Kobe isn’t better then lebron tf 😂😂😂Kobe had to ride on shaqs back for the first three titles

Cut with the left leg and twist turn with ball, pushing it to further left until the lane is open then the shot.
"I'm not afraid of someone who has practiced 1000 moves once, I'm afraid of someone who's practiced 1 move 1000 times."
Bruce Lee

Yep

He’s an NBA legend too. He’s seen all those players he listed play n he’s no doubt watched all of basketball lately.
I don’t think people give credit to that considering Walt was a MEAN ma!z

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It’s just the LBJ groupies getting sensitive as usual.
If you don’t have him at #1 or at least 2 (which he’s neither) they call you a hater and then they start getting emotional.

@Mr. Popo well Mt Rushmore only has 4 spots.....

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx from what i see in the comments, kobe stans are way more sensitive and its not even close

You have to understand what clyde saw, as a player and fan. When you play against Wilt, Kareem, The big O,....you not easily impressed.

Mgriff 7 add fine

And she is sexy af may I add

@@harlemren5993 need to take the hair helmet off though

Mgriff 7 I lowkey came in Chiney

Black I think it looks nice because she can speak. Now these type of hairstyles on ratchets is something else.

Well yeah that’s how the money comes in

No. It will never end.
And it shouldn't. :)

Why should it ever end. As long as basketball exists this is a plausible discussion.

@@MaestorRasanen ???

@@puckstopper1937 stfu

Top 10 sure. But I think you need a bit more education in the greats

Armando Koz finally someone who isn’t an idiot🙏🏻

LeBron, yes we can keep him out

Jacob Tabon only just getting into basketball, can I ask who your top 5 would be? Kinda like sas I never saw anyone really before Kobe’s era

@@agustinpereira3128 listen to former players. They know. Some media members hate Kobe and want to tear down his legacy but no one was more skilled and competitive and got the most out of his talents like Kobe! You can argue Kareem and LeBron and magic above Kobe. Depends what you value. It's all subjective. But kobe is the closest to Jordan who's number 1 for sure

Fego Oroh I was legit think that as he was saying it 😂😂😂

Yoo can't believe some wrote this, thought the EXACT same thing!

Soccer player from the Netherlands right?

@@brett8202 absolutely right..

@@brett8202 Yep

Fr, these clowns just consider American bs lol

John G it wasn’t just Magic that saved the NBA, it was Bird and Magic. Their rivalry saved a league that would not have survived, Michael Jordan has lot to be thankful for when it comes to Bird AND Magic

@@TheLaneTK
He certainly is thankful!
However he took it to another level that does two couldn't dream of.

Magic is on Mount Rushmore no doubt

Nah Larry Bird

@@mackyj3255 ?

bliz I just don’t think LeBron James passed Larry bird yet that’s it.

Macky J I strongly disagree with you

YNS Stealth Yeah I’m pretty sure the media has convinced of that.

I tuned out once she started talking 🤷🏿‍♂️

Qfresh she made max look like a scrub

Against plumbers yea

@@dadillonful like Kareem, Russell, Walt Bellamy ,Nate Thurmond? Daniel Theis starts for Celtics speaking of plumbers

Who was he playing? No one

Bandrunnaeli2x ‘ he played against hall of fame centers.. stop it

Idk why yall are calling them plumbers, the centers back then were better than the big men now

Morris Cook Kobe did make 1st team all nba 9 times I don’t understand the joke

LaRamsLunatic !!!! He found it funny cuz Max SHOULD BE knowing that. That’s like a pharmacist not knowing the side effects of a popular drug like panadol. Dam u dumb. Delete that comment 🤦🏽‍♂️

Old heads always trying to discredit lebron

Lebron isn't in the top 5. He is definitely in the top 10.

salva segarra name me 5 better?🤡

Killmonger 26 i would also like to see 5 players better than lbj

salva segarra dude is the best sf of all time wym he not top 5????

@WVY KING And Anthony Bennett.. He's the GOAT..

Slava Medvedenko

thecoolguy010 you know dam well u had to google that to spell it 👀

How about Abudushalamu Abudurexiti, nobody got the longer name than him, 1 of a kind, G.O.A.T., not even jordan can surpass that

DJ Mbenga
Robert Sacre
Sun Yue
Kwame Brown
Lakers Mt. Rushmore

Bird was better than magic

Calcifer X better shooter and rebounder, but not a better player overall. They were so evenly skilled...I say Magic edges Bird 5-to-3!

@@josephlovesgod1 Bird was that good of a player if somebody wanted to take him over magic I wouldn’t argue with that. There’s a reason he won three straight MVPs. There’s a lot of people that will take a Larry bird over LeBron as a some small forward.

@@alltheworldsastage8597 Bro, aside of the LeBron Lovers and the obvious Haters; I’ll say there is no way I’d take Larry Bird over LeBron James periodt!!!!!

Shaq, Duncan, Bird can also

Jordan never left a team to make a superteam with two all stars. Never left them when they were struggling to go create another. You’re right MJ never did that.
When LBJ went to Miami he had who? Wade/Bosh. Two all stars. Then goes back to Cleveland with Kyrie/Love. 3 all stars in both cases while the rest of the East didn’t have that. Those teams made them contenders not LBJ. When has he alone made a team a contender besides Cleveland in his first stop? What did he do last year in LA? Nothing.
Screamin A. is just going with the usual false narrative out there.

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx because Jordan walked into a well-oiled machine for an organisation with a hall of fame head coach. He didn't need to form a super team because his org was competent enough.

nightfall
Man what, how old are you?
Well oiled machine? Dude the Bulls were trash when MJ got there. That HOF coach was nothing then got hired as an assistant for them. They still lost with him. He wasn’t THIS established coach when he got hired.
Point is MJ never ran & created superteams even when he could’ve. Main point here though is that LBJ didn’t make any team “instant” contenders, his superteams vs very weak East teams did.

eazyduzit5150 in regards to Phil, sure but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a prodigy whether we knew it or not he had something.
You can call the Bulls org trash but at least they were competent enough to adapt and put the right pieces around MJ. What did the Cavs do? If the Cavs had half the competency the Bulls had we would be singing a different song.
My point is let’s not act like LeBron and MJ had equal opportunity when they came into the league. False equivalence. Same with Kobe in fact Kobe walked in with an experienced Phil AND Shaq with one of the biggest franchises in sports history. Still to this day LeBron hasn’t had a hall of fame coach. Kobe and MJ haven’t won without one.

G. The Godfather 36 separate rule changes, and they literally changed the court to slow him down .
While guys like Jordan get rule changes in their favour. The Flagrant Rule change after the Pistons 2nd championship, killed their chance at a dynasty, and made the game soft afterwards.
The flagrant rule was fine beforehand because the game was already getting less and less violent to appease the Broadcasters, and it didn’t need to be changed.
They didn’t need to toss the fouler, take away possession, and give an extra free throw. Not at a time when Jordan was the Harden of his era. For getting to the free throw line after swinging his arms through the handcheck on his way up for a shot. He looked like Lonzo Ball shooting sometimes trying to get the foul on a handcheck.

There was no rule for Shaq. Still isnt

Kenji Simone There should have been. The way he was allowed to just bully ball +240lbs guys off their set base down the block, and then just turn around and dunk. That would be an offensive foul for anyone else, but he got special treatment because he was popular with the fans.

Lmao the man was so unfair he was 7'1 40 inch vertical 300 pounds and had the mid range of Kevin Garnett, and the defense of Bill Russell

@@Poloskii The Celtics also ran the pick-and-roll over and over again, freeing up Sam Jones and John Havlicek for open jumpers as Wilt again showed himself reluctant to leave the paint and cover the shooters who had been freed by Russell’s picks. Alex Hannum screamed from the sidelines for Wilt to switch, but to no avail as Jones, Havlicek, and point guard Larry Siegfried combined for 61 points”.-the rivalry John Taylor. This is how wilt ending up blowing the 3-1 lead to bill Russell in 1968

Might as well add Carson Wentz there too

Two deserve to be there to many cheating allegations.

Add Wentz too

Wait how he hating on Dolan? Dolan is a terrible owner lol.

He don’t hate Belichick

Peep how Max didn’t know the all defensive teams Kobe had

hahahah you can see his brain being shattered there. Like "we're taking so much credit from that man", but continues to trash him

Fishman J. Lol right. That’s my first argument when ppl try to say he’s just a scorer. He is the best single possession wing defender ever.

@@quis.j6844 Yikes... Max is soooooo fucking creditless 😂😂😂

Kobe > Lebron

Facts 😂

People know Shaq was the reason he won the first 3 titles and how bad the Lakers were until he got Pau Gasol. I don't agree with them of course, but the critics use this angle.

@@ariascola1771 Just cause shaq was better at the time doesn't mean kobe was some scrub getting carried

No hate here but Kobe is not even top 10 all time.

Salt And Pepper He is top50 for sure.

Stiff Tha Godz Foh Kobe’s name has no place anywhere near this video

What is that spelling

That’s soon ones name my man

We are talking a REAL sport

Yeah and let I checked the US isn’t the whole world and soccer is the biggest sport in the world so

And again I say a real sport.....🤣 PELE'

Bro I hate to say but Kobe is a B-grade Jordan like a low budget version. And that’s amazing because of how good Jordan was. But he didn’t have originality and was the second best player on his first 3 championship teams 😪 (ps. I left this same comment on another comment 😂)

Anthony Bush I agree he’s top 10. I have him at like 8 or 9 but what people need to realize is Jordan won 6 championships with 6 finals mvps. And Kobe’s first 3 championships, Shaq got finals mvp. So yes Kobe was amazing but those were Shaqs rings 💯 Kobe was a sidekick with a wayyy better competitive drive.

@@qmayfield3007 kobe is better then Jordan and only reason why you say he was second because any smart coach will use the best match up advantagewith shaq att them finals nobody on the other team could even guard shaq from the east but go bck and look all the west finals and look up kobe stats

William Beasley bro he mocked everything Jordan down to the tounge out 😂 he’s not even close as people think. Only think is scoring and Kobe played more games to do that! Shaq belongs in the top 5 more than Kobe. You just sound ridiculous saying he’s better than Jordan. You must live in LA

Not multiple rings and all time scorer unstoppable

One of my favorite players I've watched

It got blocked...

Kobe is a poor mans jordan

You know absolutely nothing about basketball if you think Kobe is even in consideration for top 4 player of all time, probably not even a top 4 Laker of all time

@@omertsloby856 I would rather be a poor man's Goat than a new Bron

BigBank Entertainment dumbest comment of the year. Clearly you don’t know basketball

@@bigbankentertainment9331 facts

more MVPS? naw

@@jayts4374 Stop

@@egantv9358 he never was man

We don't do should of could of would of

@Bayek Of Siwa what year?

Richard Cole for real😂😂

Nahh shes just as annoying

Shes annyong asf too

Richard Cole she wasn’t even on topic

Chiney is more than a moderator and actually knows basketball. Molly can be replaced by the janitor there if he would just stfu

The brother SAS said it’s about preference.

@TripleDoubleNoTAS Frazier criticized him for not playing D last year and when he didn't want to sit with the team during a timeout calling him a "bad teammate" for that. He didn't say he sucks but those two things show James mental toughness, that's a weakness.

Mr. Towler the thing is everyone knows LeBron is #2 behind MJ and it’s not debatable

@@tacosrock11_34 I'm sure ppl feel that way but any center who averaged 19 rebounds and 30 points in an era of great Centers is overlooked. Walt seen alot of players play the game and he knows the game better than the fans and analysts.

Its not only becuz of LeBron not being on there , but even MICHAEL JORDAN isn't on his Mt.Rushmore , that's just BLASPHEMOUS in the words of Steven A. Smith🤣🤣

Honestly you can say that without talking about yourself. Young head saying young things.

The Last Knicks Fan just because I’m saying something that isn’t retarded doesn’t make me a young head

@@crustaceannation3783 wow you're even dumber than I thought.

The Last Knicks Fan you can’t call me dumb if ur a knicks fan😁

Luis Lopez thank u for having a civilized response

how?

Bora Sengul career Numbers, chips, records, culture
The only thing you can hold against kobe is that he only has one mvp but still Kobe and duncan are easy the best players in the 2000‘s
Not saying Kobe is better but there is an Argument to be made

FACTS

@@borasengul6600 how could you not??? Explain your b.s.

MrSpliffstarz Lebron took over when ? When he ran to d wades team 😂😂

Jesus walks on water.
Alex Caruso RUNS on water.

How da fark you leave of Darko Militic ..

This is a sham!!

@@melvinsprewel8287 he's in my top 10, very close and difficult decision to make...

@@ralphedyaun7006 Ok kewl 😂😂😂

Cuz Kobe was nothing but a Walmart version of MJ

@@bigfish6742 Some of the best things come to Walmart with your lame & unfunny joke.

@Jerico Yu never said he didn't, and I do appreciate how good he was. But he's wasn't nearly as good as people say he was. He was his own worst enemy because of his selfishness, ego, and inefficiency

@@travisblair3189 what joke did I make? Have you ever heard the phrase "a poor mans ___"? Don't be so sensitive and defensive

ant ruiz i respect your opinion but kobe is easily top 5 player... kobe deserves more respect... he had easily 2 mvps stolen and people didnt like him cuz he was the first to be a menace to jordan

Agreed

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Fair enough. Same goes for MJ, Magic, Bird for the next generation i guess

Max has always hated Kobe because real NBA fans know he's greater than Lebron. so he uses any chance he gets to discredit Kobe on any all time topic

Max is dumb he think kobe was a one way player he doesn’t give kobe no credit

Because he did well in a vote done by some random writers who go off reputation more than actual work?

No. 3 move...Dream Shake. No. 4 move...Shaqs dunk.

Michael Allen umm dirk lol

Most superstars can’t be stopped on offense. I hate how everybody acts like only some had unstoppable moves. Get real. There are certain superstars that can get you 30-40 on any given night in any given era.

Lebron isn't up there

John Khaos Can’t argue with that pal

@Magnolia Trees in the Meadow - it's over your head...many people know exactly what I mean.

@@ThePrayinmantiz they spit that hot fiya!

@Magnolia Trees in the Meadow He rips and he rhymes. He rhymes and he rips. That's the way that Dylan spits.

@Magnolia Trees in the Meadow ah-rom-pom-pom-pom

We’re not going to do this today

9 1st team 3 2nd team

@@chrisrunyon2372 are you just adding an extra fact🤔 or is first team all defense and second team all defense different? Because regardless first second or third team its still all defense lol

I agree !

MJ, BRON and Wilt all dominated there era by a mile and Kareem ...

I go with MJ Russell Kareem and Chamberlain. If you want to add LBJ then you have to first go with Johnson or Bird before LBJ.

@@johnwick8516 wilt choked a 3-1 lead to bill Russell

If he wins it all this year, he'll go into top 3

Mt Rushmore is 4 people I believe

@@goat9295 he already top 3?

Don’t be scared of the haters who lash at anyone that likes Lebron.

GOAT how he has another MVP on his team? But KD and curry aren’t allowed to play together?

Marcel Shaw SAS as well. He did not even get out his last word like he always tries to.

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@Jaiden L
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@Jaiden Lshe didnt even understand Frazier's quote 🤦‍♂️

Low IQ headass

Facts. Was going to write the same thing until I saw your comment. That slap shot from the left is unstoppable.

Rob Wolfe Then you never saw videos of Kareem in his prime. That move is why he’s the NBA/ABA’s All-Time leading scorer, was league MVP on a non-playoff team, and only ever had it blocked 2 times in 20 seasons(both times by wilt chamberlain)
Ovechkin doesn’t have any of those kind of accolades, and those power play shots depend a lot on the guy screening the goalie, not just on his skills alone; like Kareem’s sky hook.

@@cjwrench07 he's been blocked few more times than that but your point stands. We aren't here to argue who is most dominant than who. It was simply stated Kareem wasn't the only one with a dominant signature move or play. In case you didn't know, Ovechkin is considered by many to be the greatest scorer of NHL's history. But that's not either here or there.

@@cjwrench07 lol Ovi has a very real chance at breaking Gretzky's goal record in an era that sees far less goals than the 80s.
That's quite the accolade if he gets it.

Sergio Gomez Not on the sky hook. It was only twice in his career. Yes, he was blocked on other moves, but not specifically that one.
It’s like MJ and LeBron, both over the course of their careers have been blocked less than 10times *on dunk attempts* specifically. They’ve been blocked more on shots and layups, but dunks, it’s under 10times.
Ovechkin is basically the LeBron of Hockey. No matter what he does to overtake what Gretzky has done in the past, he will never get the overall recognition he deserves for it. The old hands will always choose Gretzky over Ovechkin, because he was a part of their childhood.

those were some gift votes on the NBA 1st AD in some of those years tho, no doubt

Nice to see you Disrepecting Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, HAKEEM, Tim Duncan, Kobe

Jordan Kareem Russell Magic are Mount Rushmore

@@adamsamuel8593 stfu it's not disrespect. If anything it adds to there greatness that they could be argued to be better then those u stated

Greatest

Right, I am too... lol I think it's js a matter of opinion & who u like, it's your Mt. Rushmore... & why is it 4 spots & not 5... lol

​@@DeonKelley Because Mt. Rushmore has four faces on it

d kel😭😭😭 yeah what he said 👆🏽😂

@@qmayfield3007 bet u are ☝️🤣

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Put five AC easy

Replace LeBron with Brian Scalabrine and you got yourself a quality list

Kareem and Magic played in the same era and for the same team.

The B's say og too

Man your a idiot

I know what you mean by that the rest of these marks are cornballs

She says og like 20 times

What’s shawty ig?

Kobe over Kareem u trippin

Yeah Kobe can't be over Kareem my man.

Magic should not be top 4 all time yall are trippin

Bird over magic and I agree

Okay this is def wrong. You cant have bron and kobe on there.

Damian Bailey I think you’re just a Kobe fan. The people he had on his MR have great cases for why they would be above Kobe🤷🏾‍♂️

Kobe is pretty overrated tbh

@BorneGamer Z
That’s your opinion

S.Gregory Goods he’s not even top 5 barley top 10

Hes not even top 5

@@Sam-oe4dt that's the problem his work cannot be just passed over..

Why would he be in the conversation when he wasn’t even better than his teammate

Magic wasnt better than Kobe tho

LBJ not top 5 all time, wilt and Oscar better than Lebron

@@donnadunbar5342 Lol that's hilarious. Oscar better than Bron? LeBron is literally way better version of big O and all Wilt's numbers are inflated anyway

Larry Bird is top 5 all-time. I get it; he's not the flashiest player ever, but he was lethal even with a bad back.

No kobe not top 5 sorry

Sal Velasquez yet your listening to SAS who agreees that LeGoat is on the mt Rushmore.

Mt. Rushmore is 4... you just named 5 lol

LOL you named 5. There are only 4 in mt rushmore. Kobe should not be included.