What A 15 Year Old Mass Killer Looks Like
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- 게시일 2022. 06. 30.
- "So I don't show emotion? That condemns me?"
In today's true crime documentary, we're covering the case of Nicholas Browning.
VIDEO QUALIFICATIONS: The following interrogation has been analyzed by a qualified team, including a licensed attorney and former Criminal Prosecutor and a licensed clinical psychologist.
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What I've learned from watching these videos is that if police offer you food: if you accept, it can be interpreted as suspicious, and if you decline it can be interpreted as suspicious.
Right!? Everything you do is sus and cops are liars who play with heads..
This is why you shouldn’t allow yourself to be interviewed without a lawyer if you’re really innocent
@@rq4740 Should never be interviewed without a lawyer present full stop. Innocent or not.
What if you accept the food, peck at it sheepishly, and throw up a little?
@@craigbannister7798 yeah I know, but I'm just personally glad this guy talked...
The saddest part of this whole family murder is that that poor little boy left the door open for his big brother so that he could sneak into the house .. only to get killed by the one he was trying to protect from getting into trouble.
so he's partly to blame. they should of raised him better.
@@afganno3385 how said is ur life that u have to troll on youtube??? ur life is embarrassing dude
Maybe his father shoild have been raised better
His little brother loved him. He was guilty of love for his brother
@@afganno3385 why would he ever suspect that his older brother would murder him? If my brother asked me to keep the slider unlocked id do it with no hesitation. its not his fault.
"He blinked, which may be a self soothing action, as he may be feeling nervous about being interrogated"
LMFAOO
LOLLLLL
Literally if they just lean back that means that they are nervous 💀
lool these videos always remind me of the 'did you see that?!?!' guy
We can clearly see that the suspect is picking his nose, a clear sign of antisocial personality disorder.
I like how he explains what the officers were doing wrong too. Helps you remember that even professionals can make mistakes.
Yo sometimes he's sassy about calling out the detectives and it gets me weak AF
i was gonna say the same thing !! the suspects and/or criminals are obvi in the wrong but officers can still make mistakes in interogations and I'm rly glad he called it out
@@lunabrown6527 STOP THIS IS SO ME
@@lunabrown6527right he has me so dead 😭 The officer was wrong here. OKAYYY??
@@lunabrown6527lmao...sassy
I love how tailor confesses that he's touched an airsoft gun when asked if he's touched any weapon. Such honesty
you can tell he’s a sweetheart. ☹️
@@Fichterus You wouldn't say that if you had ever got hit in the balls playing airsoft 😭
@@Tome13Eclipse just dont have balls or wear protection 😼😼
@@Tome13Eclipse good for them they'll never know
Just glad they weren't in on it
Hearing that he betrayed his younger brother’s trust by having him leave the door unlocked, that’s beyond disturbing.
The younger brother was most probably in on it
@@twistedgamer9167 bruh ...
@@twistedgamer9167 Unlikely lol.
Yep . Signed his own death warrant
@@twistedgamer9167 the younger brother died too fym in on it
This kid actually kept his composure more than most adults I’ve seen
youve seen on youtube? LMAO
@@suhardaniix you okay?
He should have just kept his right to remain silent and call for a lawyer.
@@starfox300They still had evidence through his friends they even knew where the body was themselves
@@user-nc2zj9gk4u did you even watch the video?
This officer has a lot of stamina to interview these four boys all by himself. What a day!
I was jst thinkin that rn like yo he broke all them down by himself 😭😭
How do you think he got that belly on him? ....drinking lots of sugar filled coke
@@zackkazco2098 possibly trying to self soothe the ugliness he has to endure as a kind,caring Man
Murdering a younger sibling, especially when you’re years apart, that trusts you completely and likely looks up to you, is just so difficult to think about.
heartbreaking. i can’t imagine how betrayed and scared the younger sibling must have felt in those final moments
I have three younger siblings, all girls. The thought of purposefully bringing harm their way is something I literally can’t wrap my brain around. His calm demeanor up until they begin to question him is what is most astonishing. How the hell can you nap in a police interrogation room???
I’m sure there’s a lot, all of you youngers can’t “wrap your head around.” That’s your generation. Sucked into netflix and a cellphone... Thinking isn’t one of your finer traits. That’s why mumble rap and shitty “celebrities” are put on a pedestal.
It feels wrong on a biblical level to even think about it
Shut up
Not only did he kill his family.. he traumatized his friends when he willing brought them with him to "discover" his dead family. That something those boys will never unsee.
THIS. he knew what was inside that house and to expose his friends to that too..almost like he wanted to take them all down with him (his 15 year old brain probably thought their dna would get on something so they could all get “caught” together)
"willingly"...stay in school kids!
@@addiemartins4878 it was probably a typo
@@addiemartins4878 you focus on a typo in THIS setting? Look at Nick.. good grades, didnt help him any... And who are you to refer to strangers as "kids". Lol, you are giving off creepy vibes:)
@@addiemartins4878 insulting someone’s intelligence off a simple one letter spelling mistake is a clear sign that your not mature enough to call someone else a kid
He’s not crying for his family, he’s crying for himself. His future is ruined.
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They all cry for themselves. Never their victims
Yup he can’t accept that his perfect plan didn’t go like he thought and he isn’t as smart as he thinks
I mean, this is stated on every single one of these videos. We know lol
@@voyager1568 and in every single one of these videos people talk about how sad the story is. We know. Doesn’t mean we don’t express our thoughts even though they’re obvious
Dude. That heavier detective was impressive! Especially how he goes from intense and confrontational, to soft and supportive.
I wasn't very impressed, lying to the kids telling them if they lie at all they're going to get taken down for it, getting stuck on the keys to the mattress thing and then just repeating "we know you did it" over and over until he finally confesses. It was effective in the end though.
The suspect ran circles around these dimwitted detective
@@matt0pz508yeah right. If he was smart he would’ve invoked his right to remain silent without an attorney present.
the detectives method was just pressuring, he could've just used his right to remain silent but he's a child
@@HJOTech”it was effective in the end tho”
So he is a good detective. He got what he needed didn’t he? 🤣
I was told by someone one time that if you are guilty you need a lawyer if you aren't guilty you definitely need a lawyer.
He definitely needed a lawyer! 15...no one on his side? Not cool
@@rebeccaalderman1393 Not cool man! He should have had a lawyer at least! He was only 15!
.....as for murdering his brothers and mother and father....well besides that little thing HE HAD NO LAWYER!!!! That's the most most most important thing here!
😂😂
Sounds like Bruce Rivers
@@rebeccaalderman1393he killed his hole family y would you want him to get a lawyer lol
The detective tells Taylor if he lies he’ll go to jail for the rest of his life and then they say “Taylor is showing behaviors that indicate he feels anxious” no shit when I was 15 if a officer told me that I would go into a panic attack even if I was telling the whole truth. Like holy shit.
That was his plan to find the truth, which was a good idea
That wasn’t an insult, just on observation. He was very anxious, and we can see he’s having something of an internal deliberation between the fear the detective instilled in him and the want to protect his friend (and believe his friend is a good person).
@Rose :3 don't worry I'm sure the kid is okay
Yeah, that would be a normal reaction. As opposed to the actual murderer who falls asleep in the interrogation room.
@@torpit7161 That is how you get false confessions, and that's the reason you need to get some kind of information that is only available to the perpetrator after the confession to verify that it was a true confession when you use this type of tactic.
The whole interrogation is literally a loop of "I know you did it," "how?" "I know these things. I've worked here for two decades," "I didn't do it," "I know you did it," "How?" "We know these things." It's absurd, but I still watched/listened to the whole two hours ._.
I know, the detective is terrible at interrogation
@@jessebanwell5705I’m only halfway through and wondering why he doesn’t ask for a lawyer. I guess I might as well quit now if it’s just more of the same.
Right. It’s almost feels like coercion. They are definitely flirting with the line here.
I was like why are they wasting their time with this pointless interrogation, just look at the evidence and fingerprints etc. and let it speak for itself.. the fact that they didn’t even give him a chance to get a lawyer is also sick, he is 15!! And they couldn’t know by that point that he did it, they just wanted to put him in jail
@@jillian3738 He has the right to remain silent. They can't force him to talk.
At around 9 and a half minutes and 13 and a half minutes the detective crosses his legs creating a "barrier". This shows he is uncomfortable and feeling anxious in the interview. He also touches his face, which is a self soothing gesture, further showing he is uncomfortable and anxious. You can see he also covers his mouth, whilst speaking, which is a physical sign of trying to "cover" his lies. Considering these movements are "clustered" together, this tells us he is being deceitful and probably hiding something.
wth i was thinking exactly the same 🤪
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What horrifies me most about this is he called his little brother and asked him to leave the door unlocked. This was something I did so many times as kid for my big brother. I wanted to protect him and help keep him from getting in trouble with our father. He knew his little brother loved him enough to leave the door unlocked and he used that as a way to kill them all.
@@DUBSTV2003 omg what did I read 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔😓wish I never looked, horrible 😫 😢 😞 😭
@@loverainthunder that entire situation was frightening. It was planned out for so long. One of the first interrogations I ever watched. So incredibly heart wrenching.
These kinda killers don't have conscience or feelings that's why they can commit these kinda crimes. They are normal people.
Wow.
What horrifies me the most is y'all seem surprised about this happening when guns are so easily accessible in your country. the shooter of the texas shootout incident just had his 18th bday and he wouldn't have been able to do it if guns can't be bought online
imagine witnessing something horrific and then slowly realizing it was your friend who committed it, that same friend you had been hanging out with right before and after the crime. i feel so bad for those boys
They covered for him to the police. You really think they didn’t know?
yes
@@GreatwhiteShark88 It’s not that black and white. None of them knew that Nick for sure did it because he lied to them. There’s a lot of psychology that goes into having to talk about your friend and comprehend that they may be a mutderer.
@@GreatwhiteShark88 Well to be honest they were probably affraid of him, i mean he killed his entire family and what if he got out somehow
@@GreatwhiteShark88 it's so easy to be the outsider looking into the window of this case and try to cast blame on anyone u fucking can.
Okay but why was Taylor’s water bottle flip so clean 😩
Taylor is a G
He is a psychopath, i can't imagine another explanation
@@marianocarrazanaproof he is a psychopath? or u just don't know the actual meaning and you want to yap because you want to be different?
@@marianocarrazananot everyone is a psychopath omg.. you know nothing about personality disorders y'all call any killer a "psychopath"
@@marianocarrazanaTaylor wasn’t the killer maybe rewatch it again.
This is actually one of the smartest suspects I have ever seen in these videos. He knew even when the detectives had no proof.
I think he even could have gotten away with this if he had kept denying or just asked for a lawyer.
Out of all these "genius being interrogated" videos this is the best. Even though he cracked at the end, he almost made it through
They may not have gotten a confession at of him but they probably would still have gotten him with forensic evidence. 4 gunshots without any residue? It's just that a confessions is a way easier route to a conviction.
@@samatiesse Even if it was highly likely that was him, they still didn't have 100% proof. The gun was hidden in the middle of nowhere so theoretically it still could have been some other psycho
I was thinking the same thing
Yep! Or if he didn't have his friends as witnesses!
I like how they also explain the detective’s mistakes. It shows how they aren’t right all the time.
@Triggered Much Stop using emojis so much fs
@@KJD729 fo real, this dude so weird :D
and admit they aren't professional diagnosis or proper analysis without knowing the interrogated personality/characteristics beforehand
he still totally talks from bias point of view against nick. There was no other solution like somebody that hated his lawyer father. He says nickn named his neighbor to get suspeicion off of him . Howndoes he know ehy nickndidnit maybe he thought the neighbor was a possible subject.
@@robgnisir4672 holy fuck. Literally had a stroke reading your babble.
So heartbreaking to know that nick told his little brother to keep the door unlocked so he could sneak back into the house. That poor little boy probably looked up to his big brother and felt like they were bonding since he was helping him sneak inside so he could take the car. He had no idea that this psycho was going to kill him and the rest of their family 😢
I'm just glad they didn't torture them, and never saw it coming. If you've heard the story of the bever Brothers, now that one was truly sad. They used knives and killed 5 of their family members including young ones.
@@mattb6646 the bevers story turns my stomach
They literally baited their baby siblings and slowly killed them
@@BabyBoy_Milo yeah and slit their little sisters throat, definitely one of the worst. The older brother did an interview with a youtuber on here, he actually does seem remorseful but I could never trust someone again after that, he needs to be locked up forever
@@BabyBoy_Milo the bever story makes me wonder what was really going on in that house in the years leading up to the massacre... never allowed outside, strict religious fundamentalist parents yet seemingly unfettered internet access for the kids... the whole case is just bizarre and tragic
I held it together quite well through all of that but I must admit that moment did rock me as well ..bless their little souls .
From the time I was old enough to know anything about crime, my mama always told me that if I ever found myself in a situation where the police are involved.. the first & last words out of my mouth should be, "I want my mother, and I want my lawyer."
Ive told my kids same thing. Let them read you your rights, say you want a lawyer, then stay silent.
Please call my dad and i apologize but I choose to invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent until I have my father or attorney here with me. I appreciate you and I'm sorry but that's all I say right now.
She gets it very close most of the time
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well he doesn't really have his mother...
I get asking for your attorney but if you’re old enough, why would you be asking for mommy or daddy? That’s not someone that can like come in there if you’re detained or being interrogated lol
@@c_mac7773 unusually polite. An honest suspect perceives detectives as a nuisance and tries to contact with them as little as possible, giving short and precise answers. A guilty one perceives them as a threat and will try to sound as calming as possible in attempt of preventing aggression towards them. Such behavior is very suspicious, and can be used in court later
i know this has literally nothing to do with this case, but i cannot emphasize enough how extremely helpful it is that y’all have subtitles. CC can be difficult and inaccurate on a lot of these kinds of interrogation videos, and i know whoever added captions to this spent hours doing so. just know that us “hard of hearing” folks appreciate this IMMENSELY. great work!!
Yes 🙌
@@mommcalliesmusic-cooking1619 your cooking sucks
Same! I’m also hard of hearing and the subtitles are so helpful for me. They’re top quality subtitles too!
@buttery boy CC/subtitles are NOT available for "all" videos. Many of them can use the CC option for "auto-generated" captioning via some speech recognition program. It can be VERY hit-or-miss. Sometimes the captioning is pretty good. Sometimes it sucks creek mud. Those of us who are hearing impaired really DO appreciate well done accurate captioning.
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I really hope Taylor is OK. Slowly realizing your friend is a cold blooded killer must be terrifying. This night might have been massively traumatizing for him. I hope he is doing alright now. :(
@@Ddrat5466 only Nick killed them, they questioned all 4 because they were together and had to get everyones story
@@Ddrat5466 Only Nick, the others were innocent, but thanks to them and the good officers job, Nick is jailed
@@Ddrat5466
Nick is the only killer.
He lied to his friends who are completely innocent.
He made up his story about the keys and sleeping in the car etc.
Take care!
@@abelis644 that’s what you think I’m sure it’s was probably only Nick but some of them like Taylor knew what he was going to do kids tell each other everything
@@idontrte yes kids tell each other things but not everything. It could be possible that Nick did tell them but the other boys may have thought he was joking. Who would believe that your 15 year old friend is really going to kill their family??? That's the thing, they are kids, that wouldn't be a conversation that 99% of kids out there would have. I don't know one person from my youth that ever killed their parents. Some people get upset and say, I'm so mad I just want to kill so and so, or they wished they would die but it's a figure of speech.
I found this channel yesterday & I'm addicted. Good stuff
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He can do all of these things at a very young age, imagine what he can do as he grow older and learn things. Being intelligent and cold-hearted is probably one of the most dangerous traits a person could ever have.
I feel bad for the other kids, especially Taylor. They looked so confused and nervous. They never thought their friend was actually a murderer.
Yeah, that poor kid looked like he was going to have a panic attack when he couldn't remember the name of the movie they watched, I felt so bad for him. (God help anyone who has to try and remember _'Accepted'_ in a high stress situation)
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Poor Taylor man
Also, the officer was unnecessarily aggressive towards him. He was cooperating, that threat was too much.
@@bloodyneptune now you should be on trial for killing me with that last part of your comment 😆
imagine being innocent and being interrogated and then slowly realizing that your friend may be not who you think he is, if i were them i would be getting chills to my bones that my friend is a cold blooded criminal
Seriously tho! Those boys will never trust anyone the same again
@@Jay-oz5zo I definitely talk to and trust people a whole lot less these days. Your story is interesting, thanks for sharing the details. It just goes to show that you can't really truly know what someone is about.
In what way or ways was your former friend low-key 'off'? It sounds like he is still roaming around among us since it doesn't sound like he killed his mother.
Is there an inkling as to what he is up to these days on the periphery? Like did he get mental services help, go on to have a family, etc.? I wonder if he is still accepted by his family after all of that.
@@Jay-oz5zo Wow, that really paints quite the picture. It's amazing that his parents allow him to live with them. I would not be so amenable and comfortable with such a thing. Oof.
Nice move getting out ahead of things and putting that notice out there directly. Especially when you could cross path with him so readily when on a family visit.
Thanks for the follow-up. All the best. ☺
@@wmluna381 Thanks you too.
@@wmluna381 I think they're either in denial, or there's some gnarly skeletons in the closet with the parents so they're covering for him and helping him maybe to keep him on their side and quiet. I have no idea. The entire situation is still baffling to me.
Minors should automatically be given a youth advocate or lawyer. If you’re too young to vote, to buy alcohol, to join the military…to even buy a pack of cigarettes…you shouldn’t be considered old enough to waive your constitutional rights.
“He existed therefore that is a telling sign of narcism and nervousness.”
Not only did he end the lives of his entire family, but he also subjected three of his "friends" to the crime scene. Truly disgusting.
Yeah really… Do you know how those other kids are doing?
@@trishbender7940 you western people are killing everyone in he world n shooting up even your own nations everyday now. looks like they are all probably laughing about it.
probably hoping to see someone cry like them all. but its your own people so it would be fake
If I was him I would’ve shot myself too and just ended it cause I couldn’t live with killing my entire family I’d rather argue then harm my family
@gra foeh smh
@gra foeh thats not y its so he could build an alibi and make himself seem innocent
wow seeing taylor visibly become more uncomfortable as he sat while he realized that his best friend was a murderer was wild. i really hope he got the emotional help he needed afterward, it was honesty difficult to watch and made me feel really bad.
I thought he knew?
@@memethingz6004 Non of his friends knew he was the murderer. Even if they knew it would have been obvious and they would have been caught too
the moment when Taylor so honestly answered that he touched the airsoft gun in past 24 hours is gorgeous!
@@PaulPudding He got them jelly's shaking lol but jokes aside he does have to give any possible information to the police tho
@@Reverio... it looks to be really honest and quick answer
Narrator: This young man seems to be of superior intelligence.
Reality: literally a lawyers kid is talking to police 😅
Watching these videos taught me no matter what you do you’re suspicious
How anyone sits through that and it never occurs to them that they need a lawyer is so far beyond me.
easy for you to say sitting on your desk watching youtube than being a cold blooder killer at 15
@viscache1 I agree. No matter what, they should have been allowed to have an attorney with them!
He was sure he could bluff his way out of it alone. Also, being 15, it might not have even occurred to him.
In Germany, a lawyer is mandatory for crimes with a sentence of more than one year.
@@user-gj1pq5zm4l He never even thought of asking for a lawyer, otherwise, he would. All those boys should have had one.
Hearing how he’s challenging the detectives and calling them out on the lack of evidence shows how much he learnt from his dad being a lawyer. Although he was clearly not smart enough to ask for a lawyer in the first place!
Right? I thought since his did was a lawyer he would try to take the smart route instead of trying to beat the detective at his own game...
He probably had had enough of Lawyers, after the mental and physical abuse from his Narcissistic father throughout his whole childhood.
If he was smart he would have lawyered up from the gate
Maybe his dad was a little shady lawyer, and the kid thought if he asked for an attorney he would get one of his dad buddies for his attorney. Who knows but he did mention his life would be set because of the money the family had and some life insurance not knowing exactly how much the insurance was worth. He will have many years to think about what he had done. pretty sure he will try to kill himself in prison.
did he get convicted though?
I just came across this video today and got curious enough to click it and was hooked almost instantly. Very nice job on the effort you put into it, and you earned yourself a new subscriber. How someone can commit atrocious acts like this is really beyond words.
Thank you for all your hard work put into making these videos. By far the most informative and researched interrogation videos I’ve seen.
I feel bad for his friends. They have experienced a terrible trauma and then they are alone during questioning and trying to fathom that their friend has killed his family. Absolutely awful.
Exactly they are minors why aren’t there parents present?? 🤔
I want to point out something.
Those friends acted exactly like him, no emotion, no tears. I can’t imagine being in a house with murdered people and not freaking out. I can’t imagine being in a POLICE station, and not freaking out and I’m grown.
I can’t believe that none of their voices squeaked, not even once.
@@scharf74 yeah that was extremely disturbing. Even at that age, if I suspected a friend had killed his family, I wouldn't try to protect them like that, I'd rat them out instantly, this isn't stealing something or breaking a window. These kids are way too cold and desensitized.
@@Siile_ That says something about how the world has raised them not about them specifically. I was similar to them, I'm a very compassionate and empathetic man but after seeing my grandma lying dead with a slit throat I didn't show any form of negative emotion for 4 DAYS. It took 4 days for a single tear to drop. I'm not a psychopath I've just grown up in an environment where showing emotions are for the weak
@@Siile_ exactly
There’s another reason for the friends displaying nervousness. In hindsight it’s becoming clear to all of them that their friend may have just murdered his entire family who they saw dead covered in blood hours ago. They’re in shock, they’re minds are putting two and two together.
Yeah, and then also by protecting Nick they could basically deny for themselves their friend murdered his own family. But damn, the slow realisation that your friend is a murderer must be terrible.
Yeah. I could kind of tell that when Taylor was remembering nick left the house he was starting to realize the possibility.
I agree. That was a terrible interrogation, all them without Attorney? Sometimes people ate or laugh when they are nervous too. Where this officers did lernen Psychologie? In the 7 months Police Academy ? In Germany Police Officers need from 4 to 7 years to be a Policeman.
@@Omoroka1 in California in my city to be a cop you need a degree in criminal law. To be a detective you need a bachelor's in criminal law and ofc the normal stuff to become a detective. The standards are pretty high to be a detective.
You can literally "spot the moments" when the friends realize nick is a cold-blooded killer.
That 2nd detective really wasn’t bringing anything to the table.
Honestly i thought he said things that made a lot of sense, like when he asked Nick about the keys, and if they would believe his story. It really made his story fall apart.
It’s crazy how the police will offer you a bottle of water but once you take that first drink you’re automatically “nervous”.
its so weird watching taylor slowly realize his friend is a murderer and has so much evidence to prove it
I feel like Alex caught on idk
He is giving his friend away
@@idk-ft7zh as he should
@@idk-ft7zh ..good 💀
@@idk-ft7zh he would probably be his next victim anyway lol
Too many people seem to think that refusing to answer questions without an attorney present indicates a person's guilt. This mentality needs to change. The police are not your friends. They will lie and pretend to want to help you, and you could easily end up with charges, even if you're innocent.
You have the RIGHT to an attorney and to remain silent. Invoking your RIGHTS is not an indication of guilt. It's an indication of intelligence!
It really depends on the country you reside in, to be fair.
In the USA yes you have certain rights under the constitution such as pleading the fifth amendment so as not to self incriminate, and the fact that a jury is not allowed to determine culpability based solely on a person's decision to not answer police questions and remain silent.
In places like the UK, these are not present. The jury is allowed to consider choosing to not answer questions during interrogation when deciding culpability on points of law, and there is no protection against self incrimination.
@@GAMEGUYXXGAMEGUYXXOFFICIAL But I believe in the UK the police are not permitted to lie during the interrogation & they're not permitted to interrogate minors without a guardian present. Is that correct or am I thinking of somewhere else?
@@enchantedharlot The police in the UK aren't allowed to tell you that they have more evidence than they actually have, or tell you that if you confess there will be leniency if there actually won't be any leniency, however there's no law about lying by omission. Police can and will withhold the nature of what they actually have on you during an interview because oftentimes not knowing how much evidence they have against you makes the criminal more worried and easier to crack.
And yes, you can't interview a minor without a legal guardian present because they aren't deemed fully able to advocate for themselves in terms of knowing how to ask for a lawyer etc, this is also the case for the USA, however the exact legal technicalities about interviewing minors varies depending on the state obviously.
@@GAMEGUYXXGAMEGUYXXOFFICIAL see the police in the US can straight up lie to you about what evidence they have, what other people said, etc. It's bonkers.
They can't promise leniency directly, but they can indirectly ("I can't help you unless you're honest with me", "Having a reason could be the difference in getting life in prison or not" - using two things this detective said to Nick as an example).
I'm not familiar with any states that require a guardian be present when interrogating a minor. I hope there are!!! I hope other states follow suit!! It is one of the most egregious & deceptive practices they do.
@@GAMEGUYXXGAMEGUYXXOFFICIAL Nemo tenetur isnt in action in UK? Never thought, that your justice system is that messed up. Horrible!
The moment I’m accused of any serious crime I’m immediately demanding a lawyer.
Okay, I accuse you of being guilty of the crime of being guilty! Check mate! Take her away boys!
No matter how many times I watch the interrogations videos, the psychopathic behavior that's exhibited is absolutely chilling. Especially in those who are so young. Major respect for people who are able to do this job. I could never. Ever _ever_ act like a friend to people like this. I'm sitting here with chicken skin, listening. Whew.
Chicken skin?😂 do you mean goose bumps?
i love how the person analyzing the body language keeps saying things like “but everyone processes trauma differently” and “this shows anxiety but that doesn’t mean guilt” since i get nervous watching things like this thinking that if i was in that scenario i would get called guilty for experiencing anxiety
That absolutely happens to people.
its even better when he says something like 'he moves this,that means that hes nervous/has to release tention' and i think 'maybe his butt hurts after hours sitting in such a shitty chair' 😂
@@midados4516 lmao
I was thinking the same, but I now realise that an innocent human put forth into a barrage of false accusations will act very differently from how they expect themselves to act. You will not seem guilty if innocent.
I’m asking for a lawyer and not talking to the police.
I feel so bad for his friends. They probably had no idea what he was capable of the entire time they knew him.
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Dad was careless about leaving a loaded gun laying about the house. If you have to have a gun in your house, you must have it hidden and locked up. His carelessness ultimately cost him and his entire family. Sad.
Definitely.
That wouldn't have saved them,he knew where the keys to the gun cabinet were. Nothing is going to save you from a determined person,especially one that has lacks a conscience. My dad kept guns in our house in an unlocked cabinet. It never once occurred to me to use them no matter how hard my dad was on me.
My Dad had guns and I would have never dreamed of it either. But, it may be the permissiveness of nowadays and lack of parental follow through. Consequences, if any, are so light that 2 or 10 repeats of orders or threats of consequences are actually deemed discipline nowadays. Or timeouts, silliest thing ever.
Thanks for the subtitles. I'm learning english and I really like videos of investigation, so I use your videos for entertainement and at the sametime I learn a lot about the english language. It's a perfect combination. Again, Thank you.
Taylor, the poor baby. I feel so bad watching him. You can tell he’s probably more sensitive than the other boys.
He certainly is Malfoy
Mudblood
Me too!!! I felt so bad for him
Oh because of mental illness. Nothing against it
But nick killed them
Aw ? Malfoy are you being nice rn?
ugh i feel so bad for taylor. you can tell he just wanted to stick by someone he thought was his friend, but knew he really shouldn’t have. it was hard to watch him get so nervous and clearly torn during interrogation. they’re so young!
Awww, yes just so sad 😢
He was so obviously a sweet kid
this :((
He’s A Real 1.
Just wanting to stay loyal.
That got Me shot @ 17 .
I should have just left the MuFu
But I couldn’t do it. It’s not in Me.
he seems so sweet :(
Love the show, narrator is great!!! This show does a great job of capturing the truth! Without question!!! My go to !!!!❤
This is fascinating. I feel like I'm learning quite a bit.
The only kid here I truly felt for was poor Taylor. You can tell he's a sweet kid, just by his body language and the way he's so respectful and ready to give information. He's so anxious and probably traumatized from finding his friend's entire family dead. Watching his interrogation clips made me want to go in there and hug him and tell him it's going to be okay as long as he tells the truth. I hope he got some therapy afterwards, poor thing.
It’s like if Rowley was in a murder interrogation, sometimes it’s just too much for a kid
@@dragonfruit8830 yh he came clean cause he just couldn't do it anymore I feel so bad
I feel awful for all of them, including the killer. He needed help and could not get help 💔
Same. He’s reminding me of my son n it’s bothering me so much!!
Taylor lied multiple times. Guilty !
I hope Taylor is okay. He seems to be the most kind hearted being, I can’t even imagine how this impacted him.
I know, poor kid.
Should kids/teenagers face the death penalty? Opinions?
@@thepodpodbros the death penalty should be banned in any modern society because it's barbaric.
@@jdmmg4904 Fuck that, you kill innocent people you die, simple.
🤷♂️ Some people deserve it though maybe not this kid but some people are just evil
I wanted to go to the mall.
Why?
Because I didn’t wana clean the house !
Said a 15 year old,
And the grown adult cop says, it doesn’t make sense . 😂? What? Lol
Makes perfect sense .
I've watched a lot of these clips and this guy is one of the most stoic I've seen on here.
Im always pleased when you mention that people process trauma differently and doesn't 100 percent indicate culpability on its own without physical evidence.
Agreed.
And then there's the other 99% of his commentary: "He took a sip of his water. This is suspicious, as killers are known to need water to survive."
@@whitesoxMLBthis channel is ridiculous with it. The video I just came from was “he appears nervous, which is what you’d expect from somebody who just committed murder” and now it’s “the boy is nervous, which is to be expected from being interrogated”
@@TimmyMcGowan Yeah you can tell how little planning or critical thinking goes into making these.
@@whitesoxMLB they are talking about understanding peoples’ complex thoughts and emotions based off which direction their fingertips are pointing, when for half the video they don’t even realize theres an entirely different detective they’re referencing to be the first one lmao
Whoever wrote the narration really does know how to convey complicated things easily, thank you.
Thanks g
i feel like this video is made for children.
@@oliboy6204 i think it is
@@gotochad I dont know, the narrator speaks and explains things for 5 year olds.
@@oliboy6204 he explains things in a manner that everyone can understand, no matter how much knowledge you already have
it's not just good for younger people, its also great for people who arent great at english and likely don't know every term the narrator is talking about
I exhibit all the signs I'm guilty, at all times, everywhere.
As a salesman I find it creepily discomforting how many of these same interrogation tactics I use to sell services to my clients. Lmao insanity
Thats why I could never be one 😬
Don't worry karma will get you out of no where
I like that taylor was an upstanding honest person. A scared kid afraid of what to say but still a good person. Hope the innocent ones are doing well.
from second one taylor was innocent. u could see he was just a scared kid that had no idea about the severity
Agree. I feel like his nervousness must have had to do with him putting two and two together and realizing that his friends story didn’t really make sense and it dawning on him what he did.
I went to college with Taylor, we were good friends. He’s an amazing person and doing well, promise!
@@rebeccarobinson5112Really!!? That is super cool, I’m sure he is a stand up type of guy now
super respectful too. calling his friends parents "mr. smith" and "the fingles." definitely a friend that parents love and respect
The patience this detective has is insane
It’s their job bro 😂
Lol well he has a job
@@SAMUELCRAFTER1 and they’re complimenting him for doing his job great
I would punch the killer in the face if he was continuing to lie
@@SAMUELCRAFTER1 true however that doesn't make them good at it lmao!
I've legit seen interrogations where the detective will ask several questions, unrelated questions, then not even allow the person to answer, then feed the person answers. Not in a strategic attempt to get them to say something incriminating but just all over the place and impatient to wait for responses. Lol
“He intertwined his fingers, he’s guilty”
The point about peer relationships and opinions mattering so much as a kid, sometimes even more than family is such a true point.
taylor is so sweet literally made me tear up after he was told he’ll go to jail for life even though he didn’t do anything
Right😭 And of course he was anxious after being told that, I mean…anyone would be
Yes, it was wrong and unprofessional of them to say that.
@@senorra941 no it’s just to get the confession out. if you heard what they narrator was saying, you’d know it’s a technique for the truth to come out
@@carinap I know it is a technique, I still think they should not lie to get to the truth!
There's a dead family here. I don't think it makes sense to get all weepy about poor Taylor who tried to defend his friend the psychopath, ferchrissakes.
As a very new father (11 months), it hit me so fucking hard that Greg was called by his brother to open the back door. He just wanted to make his older brother happy. There’s a real evil in emotional detachment because you can make an 11 year old boy an accessory to his own damn murder.
Hits me like a fucking brick.
if your son grows up to show signs of a future serial killer, what would you, as a responsible father and citizen, would do in such case?
I hope your child grows up as a nice person.
@@taurine5561 I never said anything about it being simple
@@taurine5561 i mean… ig behavioural changes,, stuff like that????
@@user-gl3tc2nq5i me too bro😂me too
For a 15 year old whom just came home to his whole family dead, he's acting absolutely too damn calm. Even though he did kill them, but still it's insane for sure! He's most definitely a psychopath.
Sociopath.
This video is a chilling and thought-provoking look into the mind of a young individual who committed a horrific crime. It provides a deep insight into the complexities of human behavior and the factors that can lead someone down a dark path. The detailed analysis of the interrogation process sheds light on the challenges faced by law enforcement in uncovering the truth and seeking justice. It's a sobering reminder of the importance of understanding the underlying issues that contribute to such tragic events and the need for early intervention and support for troubled youth.
I'm only about 3/4 the way through and so far this kid is holding up better than most hardened criminals twice his age .
I was just thinking that. He’s not a good liar but he’s able to hold up better than a lot of adults you see getting interrogated for similar crimes.
Should have asked for a lawyer.
It would be very unfortunate. But he Might’ve gotten away with it
That makes me think "psychopathy" even more. Psychopaths typically have a low neuroticism trait, i.e. they don't get anxious, nervous or fearful, so they're able to stand up to high pressure situations better than most people. Now, that reaction can be suspect by itself, as you'd expect a person to be affected by a situation like this.
@@HowardsCat Yeah, decent spot mate.
He dissociated before, during and after (well into the interrogation & arrest) the murders.
Even if he was abused, his brothers would’ve been victims as well. Why kill your little kid brothers? 🥺 They were completely and utterly innocent in all of this. My heart breaks for those two boys. Rest In Peace Gregory and Benjamin.
He didn't shed a tear, no emotion when they were mentioned. His friends also said his brothers annoyed him. This kid is a psychopath. His brothers annoyed him and stood in his way. Who could have a meal, sleep and laugh an joke in this situation apart from a complete and total psychopath? Sad to say, but the only reason is because they stood in his way and them dying was likely always part of the plan.
My heart breaks for ALL of the victims. I can't imagine raising a kid, giving them love, money, making sure they have a good birthday etc. Just for one day to kill you in your sleep. I find that the most disturbing IMO.
It's a possibility he was more outspoken and received most of the abuse while the younger brothers learn that being introverted leads to less abuse. Personal experience I'm the younger brother and my older brother was more outspoken and received more abuse than me so I subconsciously became more introverted growing up. He killed himself at 16 years old. I can't help but empathize if this is the case,. But I do not excuse or believe he shouldn't be prosecuted. Hopefully we keep improving our mental health research in the future to prevent this.
Abuse leads to resentment and bitterness. It trickles down from the lack of love between the parents and leaves the children hateful towards their world, their parents, their siblings and their selves.
@@mnm4evernever I‘m very sorry for your loss. Hope you and you family are fine and may he Rest In Peace.
The second detective just keeps repeating how he is been doing this for 22 years , not doing any job here
actually he’s doing a lot here. he’s throwing his experience on the table basically saying he’s not fucking dumb. and sees right through everything. and he was correct? so i’m not sure what you mean
Also, what if he wasn't right? He would have still had the same approach to this. I have seen enough of this to know that. These tactics lead to people confessing to something they didn't do
These "TECHNIQUES" are such Bull... You say you're innocent, only a guilty person would say that, you say you don't have a reason, only a guilty person would say that. You cry , you're over reacting and having an exaggerated response, you don't cry, you're not crying excessively like a person who lost his family would do... You sleep, guilty! Not tired in hours long interrogation, nope, guilty.
You're wide awake... its because you're guilty and your body wont let you sleep yet...
Cops formulate a situation they believe to be true, then look for evidence to support their perception.
I feel so horrible for the friends, just imagine the crushing pressure they were put through.
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yeah, I wonder how they are now or if their still friends
@@mkrandy4804 I would imagine the 3 are
As a person with adhd I appreciate that you didn't outright condemn anyone for their body language. A lot of us naturally fidget or struggle to make eye contact and it's always a little annoying when those behaviors are automatically labeled as guilt. It's nice to hear it mentioned that it's impossible to truly read body language without knowing the person.
Muh ADHD. Take more chemicals for your made up disorder
Yeah I hate when people think they can read body language, it's not a thing. What if someone is on Vicodin and has to take a shit so they itch their nose and cross their arms, then they see a fly and look at it. It's dumb.
@@s133p3r0 you can read body language but you can never be 100% certain so you cant claim its a fact
You can tell some things based on body language, but not as much as some people would lead you to believe. Increased fidgeting and touching your face is a sign of stress and nervousness. That doesn't help much, of course you're going to be nervous when you're interrogated by the police about four murders, whether you're guilty or not.
Body language is a really good way to get onto people's emotions and how they're truly feeling, but is really delicate as minds do truly behave differently.
People with ADHD, such as us, autism, APD, DID, or even due to stress or medications can behave completely out of track.
For example, I have a friend who goes crazy laughing when they're extremely sad, my mom's friend gets angry when someone went through a dangerous situation when most people would be worried...
Sometimes i wish that i wasn't such a curious person. I had no idea there were sooo many young killers walking around. It's honestly freaking me out a bit.
no same shit like that freaks me out so much im always in flight or fight mode when outside, just humans in general are to me the most scariest shit out here
@@qecaelyeah humans are scary as hell. A wild animal will simply eat you but humans will do worse.
Excellent and empathetic work by this outstanding Detective
Imagine being one of those 3 friends where you find out one of your best friends left you and went and murders his whole family and came back and went to the mall with you after and hung out for hours until you went to his house and saw the bodies. That’s a fucked up thing to happen at 15 years old.
Nurseries??
@@doloresgould3158 obviously a typo
@@doloresgould3158 I think he meant "murdered"
@@doloresgould3158 prolly a typo or to make sure his comment doesnt get taken down
That is not something that is easy to get over at ANY age.
The scariest thing is, you could be living with someone who has the same mentality as nick, that doesn't only mean one of your friends, but also one of your family members.
Thank you for that
Chicken George and Kizzy
Never fitnessed anything this serious but I could have never guessed one of my friends tortured and killed animals and other people's wandering pets. They seemed so sweet and normal on the outside. They had pets themselves and took a good care of them. I felt sick after hearing about it.
Might even be you, how would we know?
@@shahzadansari9196 Biding my time until the time is right
DON’T GET A LAWYER so we can watch you on KRplus to fall asleep 😅
Best comment ever 😅
It's scary that I have two kids around his age. Things can escalate so quickly. They just had a school shooting last week also and one of them is scared to go to school. I keep telling them there is nothing to be afraid of but it's horrifying knowing how easily they can be influenced by their peers.
This whole entire case is so sad and terrible. What made my heart sob is when I heard his grandparents are still alive and are going to have to hear the news that their grandson killed their kids and grandkids. God bless all families involved I hope they can find peace in life
This was about 10 years ago. I hope they’re doing good..
Yes this is the worst. My God, it would be horrible to have to tell them. Those poor people. God Bless them.
yeah that will be really tough. the family seemed perfectly normal. very hard to process.
@@infowazz Perfectly normal? His dad was abusive. His mom was an alcoholic. Suggestion: watch the whole video.
@@chocolate8409 damn lol 😆
It’s scary how much of an impact a lawyer would have had on this situation. He could have potentially gotten away with it
I mean, an attorney would've helped him in terms of the interrogation, but he was always going to get convicted. if you actually look into the investigation, they had more than sufficient evidence and his defense was full of gaping holes. Jury was always going to be convinced he was guilty.
@@tyleru96 His age along with the amount of possible mitigating factors would have made his sentence quite small. But his whining about there being no mitigating factors during the interview footage was damning
At the very least he'd know his legal options and the best course under the circumstances. Why do the cops' jobs and betray yourself? Otherwise just plead guilty and welcome to hell.
The most likely outcome if he got a lawyer would have been a plea, if so, he might be out now.
Yeah I'm glad he didn't have one.
A few things I find very surprising.
1. Nick is very smart (and actually made me wonder if he was telling the truth about not having done it), yet he didn't even think about asking for a lawyer. Asking for a lawyer doesn't mean you're guilty.
2. After shooting his dad, with apparently no silencer method (such as a pillow), no one came down to see what the sound of a GUNSHOT was about. Additionally, after going upstairs and shooting his mom, thus making another gunshot, only this time in closer proximity to his brothers, that his brothers didn't wake up.
3. There's a page that's called "WriteAPrisoner". Prisoners get social media pages now...
I was very confused also how he shot his dad in the living room, and neither mother, or brothers, would come check why a gun just went off in the house?? Also, I grew up in this area, and the houses are very close together. How a neighbor did not hear all those gunshots is also confusing. I also wonder if he stayed silent with the cops, and they never found the gun, what the outcome may have been.
@@truthseeker2222I remember my mom and her ex husband used fight in the middle of the night and most times my brother wouldn’t wake up and his bedroom door was wide open. Even a time when paramedics came to the house, he still didn’t wake up. It’s sounds CRAZY but it’s not shocking. There are cases of ppl screaming for help in the streets and no one looks or goes outside to help them.
I was thinking about this too. surely someone would've been alarmed? there's no way people would hear a literal gunshot and possibly "mistake it" for something else.
I also came across the 'writeaprisoner' site. Admittedly it does look kinda interesting but for one I don't know how safe it is, and for two it confuses me as to how they're allowed to have access to it??
Yeah, if someone is used to sleep with noisesarournd, they likely won't wake up. I fall asleep with the radio on all night and I'm more likely to wake up if the power goes out and it become silent suddenly than when there's noise around. @@TheRenegadeStarr
It may seem crazy but gunfire does not always catch our attention like we think it will. It's quite common for mass shooting survivors to recall a popping noise like popcorn in the background and not actually recognize what it actually was. It's why I hate popping bubble wrap too loudly in the office, if you are vigilant you really should even be wary of any loud popping noise.
Underage kids should have a lawyer by default.
It’s so sad he got them boys to leave that door unlocked, they had complete trust in their brother, them not knowing they were opening the door to their murderer is heartbreaking. RIP :(
To think that he had them involved in their own demise, quite sick. Grandad and aunt are faced with this void now.
@@debbuis2450 yeah that is totally heartless..
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Am I the only only one that felt bothered that they used tactics so that one of the boys wouldn't ask for an attorney as like having an attorney would be bad for the case? I mean, I dont like the criminals but I hate those pig cops that think like that.
@@LeonardoGPN You are right it just seems off. There is no reason not to put an attorney automatically when a serious crime and juveniles are involved. Their need of manipulating teenagers to hinder them from getting an attorney shows you hot much afraid they are that they wont solve this crime. Tbh, aside confessions they dont have anything to go with. You cannot arrest a teenager because they found keys under his matress.
For being the son of a lawyer I'm surprised he didn't immediately ask for a lawyer. I would think lawyers would drill it into their loved ones to say nothing and immediately call for an attorney.
He probably would have been expected to call his dads company to represent him and thought it wasn’t a good idea.
His egotistical, narcissistic self probably thinks he can do better than any lawyer.
Maybe the dad told that only to his other two kids
@@R8V10 yeah that sounds likely
His pops didn't raise him well that's y this happened
I don't know how detective is able to sleep at the end of day after listening to all those sick confessions every day. Must be hard🤔
I'm about the halfway point and these cops are idiots seriously. Dying on a lie that's proven to be irrelevant, just repeating the same stuff, this was terrible.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
I’m so happy you kept their names up there…because most times when is more than one suspect I always tend to forget who is who…amazing channel by the way, I watch these crimes shows all day everyday even on TV
Serious youth criminals usually have their names changed when released unfortunately
@@shontellehackett-vanderkro7908 Most high profile criminals change their names when they’re released regardless of age. But I think she meant so she can keep track of who is who while watching the video, not for self protection. And there’s no chance he’s ever getting released he’s serving four life sentences and was already denied sentence reduction six years ago in 2014.
@@lilballerina thank goodness, I've heard of so many child offenders who have done just as horrific of crimes like this, and they end up getting released a few years into their adult life
His work blows my mind. I literally commented on his post yday(i was rewatching) and I knew he was gonna come back with something good. He was gone for a whole month!!
@@beeeeeeeee7951 This channel EWU - Explore with Us - is like a team of people I believe. This is my favorite narrator for sure, and yes they do a great job with these true crime videos. But yes it's definitely more than one person at this point 🙂 Glad they're growing so much!
Without a confession, the detectives really didn't have much at all. If he lawyered up in the beginning, he may have even gotten away with this. It's shocking how calm he was and how he showed no remorse or emotion at all until the very end. Even then, the emotion was very little considering the circumstances.
I think because he’s so sick in the head he may believe he’s better than anyone else anyway and through the murder showed he didn’t need anyone to tell him what to do. A lawyer would’ve done that though. So he wouldn’t have trusted them. In his mind he’s lawyer enough.
Dude that's what is so crazy about this video. They basically only had circumstantial evidence, and what they did have could've easily pointed to him being framed for it tbh. That HAS to be why they didn't want to let him leave without a confession.
But like the other guy said, his dad was a lawyer, he had a clear distrust in authority figures, and he probably thought he could out smart the interrogators.
However he did a piss poor job of hiding the gun, threw it in some bushes or w/e lol. They would've found it and his fingerprints or something at some point.
There is no way to tell what evidence would have been uncovered during the investigation. These interviews take place a few hours after the crime being discovered so its extremely premature to say the detectives didn't have much. Even without a confession, I don't think any jury would doubt he committed the murders.
@narwhalfreefall3010 He's the same type of guy to say the cops couldn't arrest Jigsaw because he didn't murder anyone haha.
Nah, they would have found the gun eventually, DNA tested it, open and shut case. He probably didn't change the outcome much by confessing. That being said, society failed both him and his parents by ignoring the abuse and causes of it.
I've learned through all these videos that regardless if I'm guilty or innocent I'm immediately asking for counsel lmfao
The way he changes his voice once he knows that he did it and just starts whispering
Never mind all the interrogation techniques, Nick is acting way too casual for someone who’s entire family was just killed.
Fr no matter how he usually copes it’s weird that he doesn’t even seem phased
Crazy
I mean, if they didn’t get along it’s understandable, if my father was killed I wouldn’t be bothered at all
He's probably dissociating which explains his lack of emotions. Rather common, actually.
Yeah any normal person would be in full blown emotional shock if they came home to find their family killed.
Man, listening to taylor talk is sad. You can tell his heart is in the right place but he was really torn. Hope he’s fine nowadays.
Out of all four guys, he looks the most shocked and scared, and torn not because he wants to protect his friend who may be a murderer - but in disbelief that his buddy could do something so horrible, so be wanted to explain it to the officer, but without useless rambling like "Nick would never do such a thing, he's a bro! He's buddy!"
He must continue rotting in jail
They all deserve life In prison if not the death penalty.
@@notveryartificial4486 hes just a guy friend
They Said his friends where allowed to leave and the detectives legal threats where just to put presior on him so logically he should be fine
I find this disturbing tbh. In the UK a minor needs an appropriate adult present in an interview. He is just a teenager. America legal processes are as scary as the gun obsession.
If the kid asked for a lawyer, he may have been able to get away with it. If him and his friends all pulled a lawyer, it seems like he would've had a decent chance.
taylor makes me so sad. i hope he’s okay now. hope he got help. this must’ve been so hard. slowly realizing one of your closest friends was a murderer. obviously not wanting to “snitch” on him but also not wanting to get in trouble for not knowing exactly what to say. i just feel bad for him. the detective took it too far telling him he’ll go to jail for life just for lying. he’s so anxious i can feel his anxiety. :(( same for the other boys but taylor especially seems traumatized by this event… i get that the detective has to push for the truth but seeing these boys so distraught and scared just breaks my heart. not only did nick kill his family and ruin his own life but he traumatized his friends and put them through something just so awful
its a mass murder, this is not going too far your empathy is overruling the truth
@@fnallyn girl what
@@fnallyn facts, people who don't do the right thing cause they don't want to "snitch" is the stupidest thing I've ever seen from modern society. Nonsense mentality
@@fnallyn was about to say this, this mentality that we should not bother anyone with words and facts its what makes people and shooters these days feel entitled and that they can do whatever they want just because they can.
this is about murdering a family not stealing the familys car. since when is murder to be taken litghtly even if its children involved?