Why Korea is Dying Out

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You deserve it kurzgesagt!

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This, something people forget is that overythe course of the 20th century, available hours "doubled" as the half of the population that didn't work before entered the workforce, when there's more supply of something, it gets cheaper, this translated as wages being half of what they could be per hour

OH! So it's just a capitalism problem then? Shocker.

While this indeed points to a bad system. Having less kids is objectively a good thing. Continuous population growth is stupid and nature teaches us that it leads to only one thing: Mass starvation. I'll take some lonely people not being able to have kids over that any day thank you very much. Don't give me that "oh but that's long in the future" gunk either. I know how shortsighted people are, if population growth isn't managed and respected today, it won't be when it's too late either.

That UBI would help too. In the US not having access to healthcare or being able to afford university for your children is another roadblock.

Yeah, started this video and instantly assumed that they will turn this into some sort of mystery when it is a product of capitalism. South Korea in particular is kinda feeling the worst of this so there is absolutely 0 surprise here.

That is so ridiculous, how are people meant to live ?

@@gracialutonadio342 Many Korean vested interests are angry that we are a lackadaisical, lazy, and complaining generation because they were able to raise their children faithfully without paternity leave ;(

Um..It’s not true😅😅

@@user-iv9ic4qn1zno, it’s true

Well it’s true in many industries. Once you use maternity leave, you’ll be instantly excluded from major projects. Some of my colleagues actually had 3 months or less not to get fired or bc they’re scared to be treated badly after more months passed. For males, you’ll be harassed if you use one 😂

Exactly. Great way of putting it

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你这是自私自利好吗

The wolves are all higher class who just want to pay a peanut to its workers.

nowadays old people are just not accepting the fact that the world has changed so much.

@@zayedbinimran957 In fairness we will probably act in a similar manner if and when we reach their age. It happens with each generation, I have seen my parents complain about my grandparents and now I complain about my parents. The cycle will just continue.

@@ankur1800s not us. We are gen z. We literally grew up in a world that was constantly changing and as such changes won't impact us as much as the older generations like x and y because in their time change was slow so seeing the world change so fast they couldn't adapt.

The elderly like to victim blame Millennials & Gen Z for the consequences that they themselves created. They worshiped the Greed Machine & made other dumb decisions that harmed us before we were even born.

If Africans living in mud huts can have 7 babies, then so can you.

Enjoy the last 8 days of your twenties 🫡

I have two kindergarden kids. Best thing I did in my life. The maridge collapsed but still we have two wonderfull humans to care for. It will all work out. They really don't need that much money. All they need is parrents that love them and show them they are loved.

@eypxmwgovmifuon7808 Oh, I will! Thank you

Do you really need an incentive for that

Similar in the Czech Republic. Politicians bend over backwards for retirees without giving the younger generations a thought. Young people don't vote because no politician represents their interests. Politicians don't care about young people because they don't vote. It's a cursed loop.

Same thing is currently happening in my country! Cant wait to get out tho

So the boomers are reaping what they sew.

Ela Patrida

The younger people need to take back their nation from the corrupt upper class or the young will cause their own end through their indifference

lol

But actually. So many capitalists too. They’re against any sort of paid parental leave, saying “why should I pay you to have your kids?” And then they’re the ones bitching the most because they realized that it’ll be harder to become rich without workers to exploit.

I’ve seen them list children as a luxury expense alongside vacations and starbucks lmao

"Having a family is seen as a career obstacle"
Those words very accurately describe our corporate culture. It's something I and my generation just accepted because it is the way it is, but when someone spells it out like that, you really realize how wrong that kind of culture is. Corporate interests outweigh the needs of the individual and we are seeing the effects right now. Overworking and underpaying your employees may yield you short term profits, but it's gonna be a disaster for the work force in the long run.
Companies need to promote family time, mental health, and physical health, it will benefit them in the long term.

Fr. Proposing changes to the pension system is a political suicide

It's been happening for a very long time.

@@ferminurzainqui6845 Good? Before social security when workers in poor communities were too old to work, they would literally be thrown out on the streets to die in the company towns. If you didn't have a big family or a lot of kids to care for you, you would literally be left to die after a lifetime of work.
the issue is not old people having enough to live, the issue is capitalism,
the issue is landlords and Bezos and musk hoarding more money than god
The us spends billions on subsidizing raytheon and having literally hundreds of military basis god knows where
the issue is billions in corporate welfare.
don't let these neoliberal ghouls tell you the problem is primarily a generational one, and not a class one.

@@chriss780 Which part of my comment exactly made you assume my ideology? Just asking...

@@chriss780for a second there o thought you were going to go all “it’s these damn kids who don’t want to work” but nah ur kind of based.
Although I do want to propose this thought: It’s not capitalism as much as it is human nature. People are selfish in any economic system and prioritize themselves over others. When the majority of the population is old, they therefore get more priority because they only care about themselves. Not trying to argue, I’m just curious what you think about this

I am sorry.Yeah its America - whose dream is a nightmare.

This is why I laugh in European when anyone calls the US a developed country 😂

@@Paulito2026 good point

@@dennisengelen2517 the "undeveloped" country that protects you 🤣

​@@Paulito2026
No.

why is this so random. South Korea do alot of international trade. its expected.

Bro spoke facts

That's wrong information. Korean college entrance exams are open indefinitely until they die. College exams are open once a year.

Yes, it's misinformation. The opportunity itself is unlimited, and I actually take several tests and go to the university I want. There's no stigma, it just delays my mood and my employment period

Oh wow, looks like many things have changed since my dad left Korea!
That's awesome! Keep going guys!

Well babies require 24/7 attention and nana isn’t really a thing in Korea. Even if it was, no one would be able to afford it. It’s not a cultural obstacle of who gets to be the bread winner, it’s because the reality is they can’t even buy a 2bedroom apartment let alone have money to raise a child. It’s impossible to become independent from your parents working a normal office job.

hee hee hee haw

@@josephp9141do you mind expanding on what you mean by “nana isn’t really a thing”?

​@@jcheck1107Nana as in person who takes care of your children. A baby sitter but instead lives in your house for as long as you pay them.

Hah! You should run as a comedian!

Turn on tune in drop out - Tim o Leary

Courage mate, you will overcome it.

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!!"
Mario Savio, 1964

@@EnzoGarabatos That's easy enough to say until a certain point. When does "overcoming it" stop being viable? I'd argue in many countries we've already passed that point. Almost everything is getting worse; pay is insufficient; housing are way too expensive; food prices going up whilst inflation and shrinkflation gives us even less buying power; college costs a lifetime of debt for many of us; I can go on. Yeah sure, somethings are better now than in the past but to be honest I would rather have been young 60 years ago.

Raising a kid isn't as expensive as they scare you into thinking it is. Take it from a dad.

Which country is this?

True. Look at Japan. The elderly are literally destroying the future of young people and thus the future of Japan itself. The young Japanese already given up and stopped voting. Which of course lets the ruling party in power and they pour tax money into the elderly. In 2015 age group 20s was already as low as 30% voter turnout, age 60 was 70% study published in Springer Nature.

Denmark had been a gerontocracy for decades, and things aren't going to improve. Problems that mainly plague young people, including the lack of affordable rental housing, is consistently ignored.

how the hell would it lead to more old people? do you think that old people multiply if you feed them?

@@Khunark yes, kind off. People get older if you feed them, so by feeding you get more old people. Every year you get more and more old people.

The bigger picture here is that the West is trying to soften you up into accepting multi-national immigrants. Keep your wits about you.

I'm Vietnamese and share the same belief, for I've witnessed the suffering of small children more than usual due to poverty and abuse.

yeah, I agree. I think their education has a big part on this whole phenomenon too. Education in Korea is very old fashioned, it's all about printing the same kind human resources like a machine. Young people compete endlessly not knowing why. As a Korean American who spent most of my teen years in Korea, that system broke me. Individuality is completely ignored, and the only way to be acknowledged is getting into a good college. Not surprising to see that this country has the highest suicidal rate, along with decrease in birth rate. Life is brutal there.

The same here in China

돈이 몰리는 곳에 답이있다. 돈이 없어서 애를 낳고싶어도 못낳는 사람이 있는가 하면, 돈이 넘치게 많아도 애를 낳지 않는 사람도 많다. 자본주의 구조 상 한 나라의 자본 90%를 아주 소수의 부자들이 차지할 수 있다. 그러면 그 부자들은 나머지 인구의 출산율을 책임져줄 수 있나? 부자들이 돈을 거머쥔 만큼 아이도 많이 낳아야 해결될 것이다. 예를 들어 삼성가 등 재벌은 최소 10명이상 아이를 낳아야한다던지 등등.... 하지만 법적으로 강제성을 주지 않으면 해결되지 않겠지.

our ancestors lived $1 a day and had 12 children, stop buying useless shit and looking for houses in expensive places.

@@muradm7748 Our ancestors developed different superstitions to keep populations down because they couldn't afford large families. It is only since the industrial revolution that large families started to be a thing. Why do you think the world population didn't change much between 10,000BCE and 1,500CE.

Your 1 pound a day is now worth at least £12 now, stop blaming the younger generation and learn how inflation works

Also housing prices and advertising dont help the situation

because people die? check the mortality rate bozo.@@icampos89

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분수에 안맞는 소비 정도로 하자

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Lots of assets to be left to younger people.

yeah, the boomer don't care

kinda make sense, a lot of rich people over there are old, and old people don't care much about *having kid*, than they just demanding other people to have one.

Maybe Korean employers should not be biased against women taking maternity leave and the government should make military service for women mandatory as well.

그냥 해외취업 후 이민 생각중
한국은 살 만한 나라가 아니다

Same thing with climate change really

All Developed countries

I think housing and healthcare costs are not that much worse than say 70-100 years ago, it’s just that we have different standards now (which is not a bad thing at all), we have better control over our fertility and most parents/potential parents are trying to be responsible with the choices we make for our kids. My grandma grew up with 4 siblings in a small 2-room flat in the 50s and it was nothing unusual back then in the USSR, but who would consciously decide to have 5 kids in a tiny apartment nowadays?

Korea has good medical welfare. The majority of Koreans worry about housing and education expenses.

Are there apartments for single people in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia? There aren't that many, right? If they are 30 years old and unmarried, they are probably living with their parents. The same goes for southern Europe.

Jews back at it

수능 6주 전이라도 쿠작은 못참지

​@@user-rn3zd6rw1k맞긴 해ㅋㅋㅋ

고3ㅎㅇ?

You sound like chat GPT, good luck on your test

@@user-rn3zd6rw1k 히힣... 고3 셤기간에 (의미 ㅈ도 없지만) 기숙사에서 시청하고 있는 내 인생이 레전드

I rather eat and have somewhere to sleep. So, if we collapse, would be a great hit to the gob.

Most people chose the lifestyle. Money is the most important thing in Western cultures. The official religions are "workism" and "wokeism."

How do we explain that developing third world countries birth rates are skyrocketing? Its an universal trend that birth rates plummet the better off a country is economically. We could blame capitalism but this system has given us all the luxuries and freedoms that we have. Id argue that its not an issue of time or money. We have all the time and money in the world compared to some people living in absolute poverty.

Holy shit i live in this country

I'm in Australia, my wife works retail, and after government rebate or childcare costs about $40 for the day, so only about 25%.
Are you sending your kids to some super fancy ELC or does your partner earn less than minimum wage?

Yep. The whole narrative around this "issue" is that the elderly can't be supported... But basically every shortage of resources is artificial, eaten up by - you guessed it! - corporations and rich people

Shit is ass. Distritubism is the only solution​@@DaUziel

Yeah and I feel like the predictions are very optimistic, many countries will probably fall below 2.0 faster then expected.

We just don’t wanna pop out babies it’s soo Ugh

hell yeah we be setting records in something

​@@minni3723yup mini me seems torturous

they really need to improve their work and social problems. many south koreans are leaving and we have a big community of south koreans here in argentina.
most of them have kids here. on average they have 2-3. for what they told me is that they were so stressed out in korea and in argentina they have alot more of free time and they love our food too.
specially red meat and fruits that are too expensive in south korea but here in argentina is super cheap for them.
they have waaaay more free time to relax and enjoy themself here.

ㄹㅇ 나도 그리 생각해서 낳기가 싫다 중간고사....하...ㅠㅠㅠ
왜 방관만하고 개선할생각 안하는지
세금만 훔쳐먹고

대학교도 지금 개박살나는중임

Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent.
It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women.
In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.

근데 사실 우리만 그런건 아님. 인도 중국은 우리보다 더 심하다고 들음. 그냥 우리가 출산 안하고 싶다고 하는거는 인스타때문에라는 데에 동의함. 너무 상향평준화된거로 보이니까.

학교의 공부에서 가치를 느끼지못하는 것에 백배 공감합니다. 그저 경쟁을 위한 도구이고 자신의 길에 그 지식이 필요하지않다면 경쟁만을 불러일으키기에 학생들은 가치를 느끼지 못합니다.
학생들이 하고싶은걸 찾아야하는 나이에 좁은 상황에 갇혀 아주 가치가 없는 것은 아니지만, 가치가 없다고 느낄만한 지식을 머리에 우겨넣는데... 그들이 어른이되면 어떤 행동을 하기전에 그 행동에 대한 가치를 여러번 생각하고 판단하며 예민하게 행동하게 되기에 어떤것이든 보수적으로 받아들이게 되는 것 같습니다...

I also partly blame immigration for this (in australia at least), since i see new houses being made all the time but the prices set so high. i see billboards on the side of highways proudly displaying their house prices like its revolutionary. $500,000 for a house with three rooms, 2 bathrooms and a kitchen-zero backyard. And the only reason why the housing market is so fierce is due to the mass amount of immigrants taking up space and leaving nothing for people who were born here and wishing to have a family. i feel like the government finally did something right with the new immigration laws.

What I wonder is, why doesn't this hold true for countries that don't see as many working hours on average? It seems to help somewhat but it doesn't seem to fix it unless these countries simply haven't gone far enough?

@@PJ-oe6eu there's a lot of countries that cheat the system, they import people from other countries that tend to have a lot of kids as soon as they get there and see their living standards raise. It's not that simple. France is probably the best example of this, they fixed their baby problem by importing people.

@@PJ-oe6eu That's due to the simple cost of a child. For all the happiness that a child can bring for a family, they are also absolutely giant financial losses. Think of everything you need to pay for your child. Food, diapers, baby sitters if you (and/or your partner) don't have the time to be with your kid 24/7 and can't bring em to work, schooling which gets very expensive very fucking fast, a larger home if you don't already have a house that can support an extra addition to the family which means more rent to pay.
That's only some of the issues and that's without going into the fact that half of these things listed will be twice as expensive by the time your child needs it due to shit getting more expensive but wages not growing to compensate for that growth.
Also this is all assuming that your child is behaves and doesn't get into and trouble as a teenager (Or at any age really) which causes more financial issues, such as stealing, getting expelled from school, damaging property, etc.
Along aside all of this is the general stress of raising a child, the early months (and to some extent years) are extremely rough. Being woken up late at night due to your baby crying, leading to less sleep, your child being a picky eater or needing specific things done to get children to sleep (I for example had to put into the car and then driven around before I fell asleep most of the time according to my parents.) and just the general amount of things that a child that doesn't know that some things are fragile and can break without meaning to, such as vases, anything ceramic, glass wear, etc.

내 생각에는 여자들때문임. 성별갈등 조장하는 문재인 정부에 대한 20대 여성 지지율이 70퍼센트였음. pc주의 유행하니까 본인들이 계몽한 것처럼 군가산점 폐지하고 치안 세계에서 손에 꼽을 정도로 좋은 나라에서 "한국 남성이 잠재적 범죄자라느니 몰카가 어디에 있다느니 선동당해서 헛소리만 하다가 이제와서는 성별갈등 조장하지 말라고 말 바꾸고 이상한 사상 그득해서 더치페이하면 가성비 여친이다, 사랑하면 남자가 다 낸다 이런식으로 가스라이팅하는 글들이 여자들 메이저한 흐름인데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이들을 풍족하게 키우고 싶다 이런 말 하면서 본인들이 오마카세 파인다이닝 찾아다니고 해외여행 가는 게 말이 됨? 그리고 심지어 한국여자 초혼 연령도 30대 초중반임. 결국 남자들은 20대에 군대 2년 갔다오고 공대에서 공부하는동안 여자들은 군에서 복무하는 남자들 조롱하며 20대에 놀거 다 놀고 그동안 자기계발한 경제적으로 풍족한 남자를 찾는거잖음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 그니까 결국 "너드남"이 유행하는건 그냥 능력 있고 순진한 남자를 잡아서 편하게 살겠다는 마인드에서 비롯한거임. 경제적으로 풍족하지 못해서 아이를 못 낳는다 이건 그냥 돈을 버는대로 다 써놓고 돈을 못 모으겠다고 불평하는 거임. 우리나라의 경제적 수준은 출산율이 하락하기 전이나 후나 비슷한데 남여 갈등 이후로 출산율이 확 낮아짐. 왜? 여자들 대다수가 선동당해서 위의 본문처럼 사니까. 심지어는 페미니스트 교수가 한국의 남성을 벌레에 비유하고 남자아이를 '한국남자유충'이라고 칭하는 반인륜적인 논문이 등재됐는데 20대 여성 대다수가 페미니스트인 한국에서 어떻게 아이를 낳을 생각을 할 수 있겠음? 유교문화를 철폐하고 스스로 진취적인 여성이라고 생각했는데 현실은 가정적이지도 못하고 능력도 없고 얼굴은 몽골 DNA가득해서 남성적인 외모를 어떻게든 성형해서 여자답게 보이는 이도저도 아닌 여자가 바로 한국여자 아님? 옆나라 일본의 "여자력"을 보고 여성인권이 낮다고 비난하고 귀엽고 여성스러운 행동을 보고 "유아퇴행"이라고 비난하는 한국여자는 어떤 모습임? 걸크러쉬? 걸크러쉬를 내세우지만 범죄진압은 못하는 여경? 결혼할 능력이 없는 걸 비혼주의로 포장하고 혼자 늙어가는 모습? 대부분의 남성이 성매매를 한다고 날조해서 비난하지만 기생으로 살던 조선인의 피를 잊지 못하고 미국에서 성매매 여성 국적의 23%를 차지한 한국 여성? 조만간 인구 절벽으로 인해 여성들도 남성들과 함께 판문점에 서서 북괴에 맞서는 날이 오길 기원합니다^^
한국 여자의 논리: 한국은 매일 여자가 죽기 때문에 한국 남자는 잠재적 범죄자이며 여성혐오자다. 난 편하고 안전한 일을 할 것이지만 돈은 고층빌딩의 외벽을 청소하는 남자만큼 줘라. 아이를 낳을 권리는 나에게 있으므로 너희들이 여성들의 요구에 따르지 않는다면 나는 비혼주의를 선언할 것이다. 물론 차은우가 강남의 건물과 명품 가방을 가지고 프로포즈 한다면 없던 일로 하고 결혼을 할 것이다.

Koreans work 40 hours - but only in theory.

Just wait a few more years, I'm sure the economy will improve for the middle class, will it?

So basically the reason for no children is due to capatlism you heard it here

Meanwhile poor people shit out 8 kids lol. Just spend less on luxuries

​​@@princesslemmy😒
Capitalism isn't the issue, in America at least.

Don't worry, it's comparably bad for people who are single and can't afford any housing better than renting a room with random people because of the single income. It seems that the only sustainable life is bound to have one partner with no child, no more and no less.

The problem is the aging population can’t be supported by the younger population bc there won’t be enough young people. It would be total economic collapse

“That’s it” hahaha making that happen is pretty much impossible.

@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrit’s possible but definitely improbable. The ultra rich will favor profits over people so our living conditions will likely not change.

​@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrget used to lower birthrate then

Even though it is this simple, this is a solution for future generations. If this is indeed the prescription it would take to solve it, then it is logistically unfeasible to put it in place for the current generation, necessarily making current generation adults out of luck.

And free time!

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIn fact, the crime rate in Korea is the lowest in the world. This person doesn't tell the truth.

​​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagHonestly it sounds terrible for both genders, it's ridiculous they make men waste 2 years in the most important moment of their lives to the military.
Oh you don't want to do it? social rejection, continually being humiliated and basically no job is waiting for you

So laziness

​@@Arcadianx98sure, genius.

exactly, and men are too lazy and can't be trusted.

You’re an object

​@@Aegis4521no women is you sexist

Also kids are gross.

The people making decisions are at odds with what they say they want. The people want to protect children but they oppose healthcare for children, food programs, financial assistance, childcare, etc. The people want more workers but they oppose immigration. The people want the world to be like it was back in the 50's but they don't want to roll out the social programs, strong labor unions, etc. of that era.
These problems are all eminently solvable but that assumes the people in charge actually care to solve them. Which they clearly don't, because solved problems don't get you reelected. Making the problem worse gets you reelected. That's how the GOP has been getting elected because "big government doesn't work" for decades by making the government fail to work without reducing its scale.

This is the correct perspective...it's well past time for fogies to understand that they're entirely responsible for this problem, they've created a modern setting where families can no longer have a single working parent sustainably and are too stubborn/stupid to realize that paving the way to tomorrow will require subsidizing children. 90% of the jackasses will say something akin to "I did it that way, it's just how it works", but fail to recognize how different things are today to how they were when they grew up...they essentially got handed the keys to the world whilst the pay gap is worse now than it has ever been.

Capitalism exploiting its people

@@Demmrir Exactly this! Well said.

This video doesn't address other main issues like the insane inequality in wealth distribution, where 99% of people work their whole lives to be paid miserably while 1% is swimming on gold.

Yeah just like whole comment section, what really cause the all problems? Capitalism is.This Chanel is nothing but a distraction.

Totally agree, neither does it address capitalism.

The poor have more kids both within and across countries. The cost of healthcare and taking care of a child is not the main issue at all.

Come to Germany with very cheap healthcare, free schools and universities, as well as free kindergartens in some states.
Working times are still too long (40 hour weeks are unfortunately the norm) which leaves too little time for oneself and a family

Your mother probably didn't have the same life-style as you do. People today have incredibly high life-requirements that are unsustainable. The market drove this consumerism so high and it's really a cancer for society

You are not alone. Hugs

I'm right there with you, I'm a 35 year old man from the UK and I cannot even fathom being able to afford a child. I can't even afford my rent from month to month when I work something like 50-60 hours a week and literally don't drink, my only expenses are bills, rent and food. Yet I often can't afford my rent at the end of the month and if I have my heating on at all this year I won't be able to afford food. So how on earth am I meant to have a child living like that?
Not to mention one of my personal reasons for not wanting children is what kind of world are we leaving them? Personally I don't think it's right to bring a child in to the world when we should all be very aware by now that there will be no air left to breathe in 80-100 years. Why would I want to make anyone much less my own children go through that?

Yes, this. The boomers and the rich have got so greedy that they dont leave room for anyone else

you or your partner need to get a better job with higher salary, its as easy as that, also having a baby is not a million dollar expense, trust me, most people blow it out of proportion.

Vars?? What are you doing here

When a top 10 or atleast 20 percent out of population is considered 'normal'
And if you're not 'normal' you deserved to be mistreated and looked downed constantly
No wonder people stopped making kids and been killing themselves more than anywhere

If you can, emigrate to Latin America, we have good food, housing and good life quality... (if you dont get killed by robbers), but its mostly calmer here.

My parents didnt pressure me like that as well (like telling me to be better and work harder) but I still ended up being a depressed loser because societal expectations and pressures exist outside of parenting style. Im heavily affected by that more than I'd like to be.

@@bapbirb They raised me to be prepared for societal expectations and pressures, rather than pushing those very expectations and pressures on me. They taught me discipline and good work ethic so that when I encountered those pressures and expectations I would be ready for them. It's not that they let me relax and stuff.

just be honest, you don't have a gf

As?*

​@@SidorovichGamingaaaand why should that invalidate their problems? Just because they're not contributing to the birth rate doesn't mean others aren't either

Capitalism has caused this cost of living / housing crisis by making homes speculative and wages unlivable. And yet, it’s the people who love unadulterated capitalism who are all so confused why people aren’t having kids. SMH.

@@foxtail286 go breed

The saddest part is that it doesn't work. You inherit so much from your parents intrinsically (habits, work-ethics etc) such that the all of the Korean people I've seen ace the exams and/or get to prestigious universities never really participate in those fierce competition.
FYI, old money of Korea don't send their kids to Daechi private tuition.
On surface, it looks like the parents want their kids to succeed, and giving them all the condition to succeed, but really, it is greed. They failed to achieve the success so they put it on their children to study hard. Needless to say it doesn't work. It's just sad really.
Leading by example is the best way to lead. Coercion never worked.

The notion of you have to send your children to expensive private education is a stupidity that has been perpetuated over decades is like Keeping with the Jone's but by sending children to stupid often unecessary private hagwons.

that's right

​​​​@@londonkkondaeSo basically it's just generational trauma and greed creating this neverending toxic generational relationships. Though South Korean Gen Z (people who are born 1998-2010 [debatable where Gen Z ended and Gen Alpha started but let's pretend it's 2010]) I believe most of them have child free mindsets. It's going to always be like this when Boomer, Gen X, and Millennials that govern today still refuse make the country better place (non toxic education culture, job opportunities, affordable but good housings, etc) for younger generations like Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Difficult environments make people doing whatever it takes to survive, and young generations do it by planning to not having children. As Gen Z myself, I can 100% sympathize with them.

Besides, many students quit school because of their own choice. School is a place where only tests are given, so if they don't get good grades at school, they give up the fence of school, high school diploma, and high school 's friends for another test called CSAT.
They study CSAT alone in the corner of the classroom without taking any school classes, or quit school.
Moreover, there are many problems with the CSAT. Everyone has to study hard for 3 years to pass only one test, and not to find their dreams
They don't do active research to find their dreams. they study the patterns of the CSAT. They just write on paper.

That is fundamentally wrong. It is the perception of affordability and the choice by individuals, more specifically women, to not sacrifice any amount of quality of life to have kids. A generation of unparalleled wealth and quality of life can't have kids because they are addicted to everything being perfect and easy. I am tired of people making the affordability excuse, the data says its wrong. Stop making this argument.

@@koy540 Can you provide this data? Yea, didn't think so.

​@@koy540seconded, the economy had undergone a massive shift over the past three years, 29% are doing remote or hybrid work, 40% have the option to do either and yet there's still no baby boom and people are still complaining about the cost of childcare. Women just don't want children anymore, period 🤷‍♀️

@@koy540 That is a huge generalization. And I'm not sure why you are saying affordability isn't an issue when it is. Look at the average wage as a proportion of the average rent from the 1980s and compare that with 2023 if you need proof.

And it should be obvious that any country facing such problems is full.

i was thinking the exact same lmao

1.5 fertility rate means that for every 10 women, 5 will have 2 childs and the other 5 will have only one, or 7 will have 3 childs and the other 3 will have none. This is simple statistic analysis, that anyone with basic understanding of statistic could comprehend.

fetus

@@flother4834fetus is Latin for child

Which country do you live in may I ask?

I'm not discounting the high demand for real estate... but...
My father was born in 1942 and grew up right smack in the middle of middle class. Middle class meant he grew up in a 10' x 11' room with two brothers, all three sharing the same bedroom, meant he had to pay his way through college -- which wasn't that hard because tuition hadn't exploded in price (primarily due to the steady stream of easy-to-obtain government loans), meant they took one vacation per year where they took the one car in the family to a scenic area in the same or a neighboring state, meant he had a few shirts and a few pants at any given time, meant no smartphones, multiple TVs, videogame consoles, PCs, etc.
When I look at what middle class is today, it is tremendously opulent and luxurious by comparison -- and of course that costs a heck of a lot.

So, if you had more income, your country would grow in size? Neat.
It isn't that the market is adjusting to the reality of double the workers (women) and less and less land per person?

@@CharlesNauck "markets" don't have some magical autonomous will. Its merely the way people act when incentivized to in certain ways.
its the way people play the game within a very tightly predetermined (which every market in human history has been.)
(please spare me the nonsense about capitalism= less government. capitalism is and was the largest government run project in human history. capitalism is in every sense a product of highly developed modern nation states.
if the results of it are disastrous, change the rules of the game.
Christ people are dense,

sounds like auckland, new zealand where i am.
my suburb in 2002 was 180-200k, now its 800-900k

Hyper-capitalism dragged South Korea out of poverty, but at the same time has ruined the amount of free time available for workers, created a toxic hyper-competitive culture, and created a massive amount of stress/anxiety/burnout for both students and workers. It’s no wonder that the fertility rate is so low, because the very structure of the society is literally toxic and poisonous towards those who want to make families

Why don't you Koreans start long distance relationships and then make plans to move to another country, then years later move again to South Korea with a family and money, open a business and keep growing your country's economy?
I know it's not that simple, but you know the meaning of the word "alternative"? It means you WILL sacrifice many things for surviving. I'm from El Salvador, and many of my compatriots had to flee to USA in 1980 because of our civil war, it changed the structure of our country, and nowadays many compatriots are sending remittances to help the people in mainland.

@@salvadoran_uwu not that simple bro 💀💀😭😭

@@BundpatakaNah bro it’ll be expensive but the government just has to print more money and then they can afford it 🤯

Could you ever see Korea doing a 30 hour work week while maintaining average wages?

Yup. If people can't afford to live, then they won't want to bring a family into the world until they feel stable.
If people want 2.5 children, they would be having them. So why aren't they? Because they can't afford them.
Housing being the most expensive reason, then the loss of income for a parent to stay home.
Improve working conditions for people, reduce the working week/hours and fix the housing problem. Stop importing more people to prop up a broken system.

Yeah housing has gotten stupidly expensive.

This is exactly my main reason

Very true, actually

well there are more humans around compared to when your dad was a whipper snapper, and they all want a house, also now houses are affordable only to families and couples

I feel you bro

Its easy, just give up your own tradition and lower your own rents would fix the issue.
But you guys won't, because "nationalism".

@@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIk that but it’s not the main reason why we’re in this state, let’s be honest. Also could you tone down the copypasta a bit

You can solve it by destroying the corrupt government that has pinned your people beneath it's boot

@@chiaohongcheng How would us, the young working generation and basically the punching bag of Korea’s society be able to lead any major changes? Think of Canadian housing for a bit if you don’t get it.

@@crazypasta7749 Are you mentally challenged?

There are definitely people who will have less children or none at all due to individualism, as with all things, extremism is negative. This can be said for so many things but the balance has to be found.

@@slicedonion8313 I agree. Personally I believe in the needs of the many, the common good, but I think is very important to keep in mind that "society" is not a real, physical thing, society is the individuals within it, and benefiting society is supposed to be beneficial for the individuals within it. Sacrificing too much the individual in favor of the society is a self-defeating endeavor.

but everywhere else in the world seems to prove the opposite

there are but not the majority@@slicedonion8313

Did you watch the conclusion?

Which country? I'm German, a student with a 20 hour part time job and have a pretty comfy 45 m² flat for myself and pay all my own expenses.

My girlfriend and I have deeply discussed the same problems. Initially we both agreed to wanting three kids, but especially over the course of the last year, watching economies turn to complete turmoil, cost of living becoming more and more out of reach every day, and child care being so incredibly expensive... we're no longer sure if we want kids. Not even accounting for wanting to actually enjoy our lives, take vacations, explore different countries... there's so much going against even trying. In between thinking if its even worth having kids.

“While Kurzgesagt talks about how great life has become” people like you is why we have so many problems in this world, is everything about you you and only you and your problems. And how your parents had it better than you according to you. Life has improved for people world wide in the last 50 years exponentially, you’re not the norm, you’re just an unfortunate person having a bad time.

@@kotzpennerGermany has a healthy dose of public housing which places pressure on the private market for healthy competition. This is the difference between capitalism (capital) and socialism (public ownership). Outside of the EU, the housing market is a major problem.

same in south korea

Elder people just want to have more relatives to be taken care of when dying 🙄

Nah. You are are overthinking. Just get one and you will see how things become visible and 'easy'

completely same in south korea, I can't believe that there are people outside of Korea who interfere with others by asking things like, "When are you going to have a baby?"

Or it's "well if you didn't spend so much on avocado toast and Starbucks!" 😂

I was so surprised to see that, I wasn't expecting to find a bulgarian saying in this kind of video.

thanks for the fact!

Same here in Turkey, we say "yolun su gibi açık olsun"(may your way be open like flowing water) then spill water after someone who leaves.

I was hoping someone would translate that! I know fragments of Ukrainian, Russian, and Polish, but not enough to be functional in any of them yet...

@@WackoMcGoose A more literal translation is "I hope it goes smoothly"
Well Bulgaria has been the fastest-shrinking nation for a while, so makes sense this is the video it debuts in :P

I mean children are cute and funny,I don’t think they don’t want children.
I think they are not earning more and the daily needs have gotten expensive.
Koreans should be more aggressive in cracking down corruption. Sadly there’s no time to save your brothers And sisters on N.Korea.

Yes, that is exactly the point of the matter.
The video says that the welfare system for women is the solution, but this is a wrong answer without knowing the situation in Korea.
Korea has long had many welfare programs favored by women due to the high number of female patients with depression. Nevertheless, the low birth rate situation has become serious. The cause is the misuse of statistics.
In fact, on the contrary, the low birth rate has accelerated due to institutional alienation of men. When looking at the number of Korean youth suicides, men are overwhelmingly higher than women. And by Korean culture, men do not want to be treated for depression. Rather, they try to hide it from their surrounding eyes and tend to refuse medical treatment at all.
In addition, men are obligated to take responsibility for their families by Korean culture, and salaries that do not rise compared to living prices make them give up preparing for their families. It is good that women's education and social status are rising. However, in Korea, the social status of men has been lowered, resulting in the status of women.
In Korea, women are better rewarded than men because they are only women, regardless of whether they are stupid or smart. Men who have worked more have to yield to women the compensation they deserve from the company. This is the beginning of the problem. If a woman is smart, it's not a problem, it's better. but The problem is the benefits they take away from men just because they are women. Smart Korean female CEO are also troubled by the fact that their companies don't work because of women who were promoted just because they were women.
In summary,
In order for a woman to become a mother. and she must meet and marry a man, and at least in Korea, the man must receive enough money from a company to prepare to meet and marry a woman. But, The moment the women take away men's money, men give up and eventually fewer men get married. Women will get some money but don't have children. As a result, a society where women take all the pies that men must ate will create a low birth rate. This is the process of the community collapse apart.
Can a woman with a high social status think of marrying a man who has not prepared? In the case of Korea, even women with low social status are avoiding men who have not prepared. This is because, as a woman, she does not think of raising children after marriage in a bad environment.
In conclusion, the reinforcement of gender equality policies for women in the video is a wrong solution.

아~~ 망했어요 ~

Nah just because korean feminism

​@@user-w9nixo4d8zI agree

Furthermore, I volunteered in a Special forces unit collaborating with the NSA for a year and a half as part of my national defense duty. However, unlike the United States, the compensation was minimal, and there was a lack of societal respect.I believe these factors also contribute to the low birth rate issue in Korea.😢😢

Is your country that poorly designed that living outside of cities is near to impossible if you want to have a good life and job? Because I get this feeling that all Koreans seem to live in cities, especially Seoul. 😂

> didn't read a single line
> just wanna ask how your doing mate

Korea's low birth rate is the breakdown of the 1:1 relationship between men and women due to sexual openness.
The birth rate of married women in Korea is high.
However, there are no women who are virgins.
Conversely, 30% of 30-year-old men are virgins.

Really sad. You need try hard in Korea in Poland i can almost nothing and have plenty of time good house and two kids. It is good life in europe

Please trust and believe you aren’t alone. It’s not your fault it’s the way the world is 😢

Same, I suffered a burn out at 26 and I am still recovering from it. I do not even have the time or money to start dating and find someone. Unfortunately dating requires time and money which many of us do not have. Plus, incels culture has been growing sporadically. Who wants to marry someone that hates your gender?

Partner up with friends, split the cost, and ride out the wave; Ya

@@humpheryflaubert8172 yeah it’s so easy to get friends to basically marry you.

@@Ms.Doomer Marry? No I mean to split a flat, home, or whatever. But, you could take advantage of the system and marry as well. It's all pointless anyways at the end of the day.

i feel it went like
"dont have kids the earth is too full and you cant afford them"
"ok"
"NO WAIT"

Overpopulation is the catastrophe that you need to worry about since this world won't feed 9 billion humans.

exactly, and then the rich people were like "no who's going to make me more money" and they began spewing propaganda

The problem isn't "underpopulation", it's an imbalance between the amount of young and old people. While I don't think overpopulation is an issue, it's certainly possible for there to be overpopulation despite a declining birth rate.

Oh, people still are freaking out about it. But they're worried about immigrants replacing "native" people.
(By "native" I mean it's often the colonialist population espousing these opinions, not the actual natives. For example: the English worry about this more than the Scottish and Welsh, Americans moreso than Native Americans)

LIVE IN KOREA IS NOT EASY? IS IT EASY LIVE IN AFRICA WHERE THEY ARE HAVING X10000 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, WAS LIFE EASY IN THE 1950 IN KOREA WHEN KOREANS WERE HAVING X 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN? YOU KNOW NOTHING.

Cool. I am a korean living in Canada rn and its very different

I agree! My Korean friend moved to America because of the tough situations he faced back in his country. Many has moved as well and I can’t blame them. Yes America has issues but he rather live here than back in Korea especially when he had to work and go to school there for long periods of time causing him to have a short term depression

​@@lifeis7 man, that's really disheartening... well y'know what? Better be fools than heartless. I hope whoever decides to have kids and raise them with joy in their lives over there is doing well.

It really makes sense.

Take a look at the World Economic Forum and know that everything is going "as planned".

Boomers scorched the Earth at all fronts, they f*cked the environment on a planetary level, they modernized the exploitation system, they rigged the economy and pension systems, they retire and still vote for the populist idiots that will pander to them.

Korea is not "developed" country.

The management company at my apartment pushes the belief that it's normal for rents to increase 5-10% a year (or more). This makes me think that the housing market is the basic cause of inflation.

The extreme case is South Korea, as the lowest birthrate shows.

Nope, people in America are suffering the same. There's nothing special about America in that regard.

​​​@@Flash_345 Yeah, no. Studying in the US is easy asf. I went to live there after not being able to pass my university in Brazil, and in the US, i passed with flying colors. Literally straight A's... The thing is with the US, they help you alot. They give you chances and time, in Brazil you only have 2 or 1 chances to do what you gotta do, and if you don't do well... you go back to square 1 🤷🏾‍♀️

@@aenning I wouldnt say easy af. They have a pretty rotten system as well. However, compared to Korea, its like a dream. The same way as Americans see education or public health from (For example, my homeland, Argentina) South America or European countries a dream.
We all envy from others what we dont have but dont see what we do have. We envy Korea for many reasons (and rightfully so) and they envy us for many other reasons (and, rightfully so), no one has it better or worse than others, at least not on the large scale. We all have things that in the eyes of an outsider make our countries paradise, and we all have systems that are rotten AF..

@@aenning lol that's not what I meant but aight whatever you say

Don't be afraid, not only Korea getting depressed but whole world's Gen Z experiencing depression

ㄹㅇ 맞음

AFRICAN POLITICIANS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THEIR PEOPLES WELLFARE, SOUTH AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE ALSO CORRUPT, SOUHT KOREAN POLITICIANS WERE NOT REALLY INTERESTED DURING THE 1950S WHEN KOREAN WAS AT WAR BUT KOREANS WERE HAVING 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, ALSO INDIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS AFRICANS ARE HAVING MILLIONS OF CHILDRE. I AM TELLING YOU IS THE KOREAN SELFISHNESS AND THE CANCER OF FEMINISM THAT IS KILLING KOREA.

I was shocked when I heard Korean has lower fertility rate than Japan. I've always known that Japan's population become older so I basically thought that Japan's fertility rates are decreaseing -until I saw Korean's rate.

The government doesn't care about the people? What a surprise

Dude Korea won't collapse. Japan has been facing this population problem (along with economic stagnation) for decades, far longer than Korea. And yet even now, despite allowing barely any immigration, the average Japanese person has a much much better lifestyle than the average person in any high-fertility country. In fact, the countries that are closest to collapse have the highest fertility rates.
All this fear-mongering is nonsensical. A couple of decades ago people were doing the same thing about overpopulation. Apparently the world would be overrun and we'd all starve to death because there'd be too many people. Lol. That fear-mongering about population led China to implement the one-child policy, which has now landed it in this new problem. Just relax and let things play out. Worst case scenario, Korea will have to start accepting more immigrants. But considering how the Japan story is playing out, they probably won't even have to do that.

Just a minor correction:
Not too high, too disparate.

​@@carnivoroussarahA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society

That isn't the cause of low birth rates. Have you looked at the lives of the poor? Or the past? Worse inequality, worse circumstances. And yet people still had and have (in the case of poor nations) kids. The flipside of this is also seen - even the super rich don't have large families. Not even most billionaires do. And programs to incentivize birth, including just giving people cash, have largely failed.

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Everyone has their own reasons, I am just sharing another prospective

@@carnivoroussarah true, mb bro

Bloody government. They're going to mess up the world.

Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent.
It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women.
In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.

Well that's not really true, poorer countries have way higher birthrates than first world countries. It's clearly not a financial issue

@@jasonclassmate2292 I agree with your first point. In fact, the video also mentioned that. That's probably because they have a relatively lower living standard.
But I think you forgot that it is mentioned some people in these poorer countries tend to move out to more advanced countries to get better jobs. But after 2 to 3 generations they will adapt and have less child because of the high living cost.
That's my point, if we want to maintain sustainable birth rate in first world countries like Japan and South Korea, the governments need to make sure affording essential living there is not as hellish.

Their culture is garbage kpop slop the result of full cultural diffusion, and a strong case against globalism. Let's call it what it is

Shocker, if parents aren't doomed to a life of poverty just to grow up a single child, they are more likely to have children. I swear the policy makers are the stupidest mfers out there, still not solving this issue.

@@suspecm6316 yet the richest countries are the ones with lowest birth rates. In Sweden and Denmark, the birth rate is 1.6~1.7, below replacement

@@suspecm6316 (you vote for those policymakers, js)

​@@Gb-be9bnyeah cause both parents have to work to make ends meet and not end up in poverty. The reason that in Africa birth rates are still high is that many people there live in such poverty that they need their children to take care of them when they're old, so more kids means more helping hands.
Almost everywhere birth rates are low, even not incredibly wealthy places. Only in Africa and the Middle East is that not yet the case

@@Gb-be9bn because the "richest countries" are the ones where both parents have to worj a 9-5 to be able to afford a living. There is no time to be with the baby, no time to be with the kid, and the kid has to spen half their childhood in daycare. Lose lose for everyone.

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul?
Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea?
A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul?
Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea?
A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?

@@user-ji1jg8bc5g go away propaganda bot

Yup this. I'm single and childless and I'm barely scraping by with what I make as a translator. Having a kid for me is unthinkable because I'd never be able to afford to raise one, and I sure as hell don't want my hypothetical son/daughter to have a worse life than I've had. And so I don't have kids and as long as my financial situation stays like that it simply won't change.

I feel like this is an extremely underrepresented opinion. It simply is never the right time to have a child, because having a child early puts your education at risk, later on it will affect your promotions and chances of building wealth, and eventually it is too late. The high costs of living and the stagnant wages make having a child too high of a risk, especially when relationships seem a lot less stable than in the past as well (Becoming a single parent often ends up with so much effort and stress that the person ends up on unemployment).

Are you in the States or in Korea?

@xyz11zxc11 USA. It might not be the same sentiment elsewhere in the world, but it's my experience in the USA.