Bail Reform: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

If the price is a fine, then it's fine for a price

All fines should be a percentage of income, that’s the only way to make it better.

@@TimBryan not just income. It should be a combination of income and net worth. Rich people avoid showing income using an army of accountants

@@thunderb00m yes! Unfortunately it’s also easy to disguise net worth too, and easier when you’re rich.

@@TimBryan still no. Being rich isn't just about earning more. There's a cut off point where being rich is a profit in and of itself. Every human needs some amount of money to survive. A poor person can't afford to lose any of that money since it all goes into living until the next paycheck. Hence, "living paycheck to paycheck". Once a person earns more than that they can start to build wealth. Doing stuff like investing leftover money in stocks or whatever they wanna do. To Elon musk, having to pay a 3rd of his monthly income is only annoying cause his big number goes down a little. To a truly poor person that means going without food for 2 days
This is very badly written I realize. I am in a slight hurry. Hope it makes sense but Tl;dr: once you go past a certain level it almost doesn't matter how much a % of your income is your bail. Cause even if it's 100% of one months income, if as you earn double what you need to spend to live per month you can pay that off in 1 months work by not buying any luxuriesand saving. It's the same logic as trickle down economics. It doesn't work cause rich people don't need to spend all their money every month. That's why they're rich in the first place. Because they can save it up. Extra money isn't gonna mean they spend more money than last month. If it really has to be about money, which it should not when it comes to personal freedom or on the flip side the safety of others then it should work like tax brackets. Where the rich have a sizable investment to make and the poor have to weigh doing crime with the punishment and decide that not doing crime is better. But that's not how it works either. It would be much better to rework the system to be as efficient as possible without sacrificing true justice. And those that do go to prison or whatever should be checked to see if rehabilitation would be in everyone's best interest. Getting punished for "accidentally" killing your friend in a fit of rage is one thing. Having to live with the guilt is another. You can reenter the workforce and still have served your punishment. And if you killed someone in cold blood because it made you tingle or whatever crazy stuff happens to some people then you shouldn't be in prison anyways as you have different problems to work on in a mental hospital or something. But in the end, except for people who would genuinely kill or steal again there isn't many people that should be behind bars IMO. It has been proven time and time again that nobody learns their lesson by being punished. Only makes them want to do it again. We're humans and that's how we work. Now I really gotta go. Sorry for this turning into a slightly long rant

thank Bush for that, he changed it so reports don't have to be fair and balanced. If they lie, they just say 'it's for entertainment purposes,' that's how Fox news gets away with doing what they do.

This shit has led to people around me constantly talking about the "Purge Law" in Illinois. It's so fucking annoying and non-stop. Every political ad is that, abortion, or how Chicago is somehow a warzone and the worst place on Earth.

WOW!, I really didn't know that about other parts of the world. Thank you.

@@ZakuIIKai you have to be an idiot to not wonder about what the purge law is really about, with all due respect to people around you

And lied without repercussions. Fact checking for nothing.

I'm an American and every time John does one of these videos, I can't help but ponder how I can get the hell out of here!

One of the smartest things they ever did ('They' being The Department of Bullshit...more like a trunk than a mere branch of government) was to convince us the rest of the world was, somehow, worse off. Worked for awhile, until the tourists showed up 🤷

For you as an autistic person that absolutely makes sense. Everyone else should have definitely been able to see he was bitching about and she was just literally dumb enough to go into his trap. He said it twice and twice she was like '...yeahhh...'. It was all about the way she conducted herself in that setting. If you're being asked if you request a lawyer you don't say '...guess saaaa...' in the most bored way possible.

@@isabelc2131But this is the point, this isn't stupidity, this is ignorance. If someone has no counsel, how can you punish them for failures of court decorum? That seems backwards to this American Expat

@@isabelc2131 What you're describing is called being "pedantic". It's when someone places an unreasonable amount of importance [and insists] on exact, proper grammar and verbiage despite the fact that the words/grammar that someone used were perfectly understandable as they were said. Regardless of her "intelligence" based on her not understanding what his problem was, are you really going to be the kind of person that thinks someone should literally be _charged money_ (_*$1000*_ in this case) *just* because they didn't reply with the _specific_ affirmative word that the judge wanted to hear? Even if, against all odds, you think that's fair, the other commenter's point about her not having legal counsel present make's your opinion (and the judge's) of her response in this case, moot.

i wish more people understood this it ruins entire lives & families with it aswell

Amen

I understand that but what about everyone else who needs to be in jail. I have been in jail over public intoxication which ain't that bad, but I was in there with some real psychos some dudes who I thought to myself man you shouldn't be out in the street.

Well obviously… they generally don’t let people out if they are a danger.

Also, it’s not really up for YOU to decide.

My heart burns for you my friend. I may not have been falsely arrested myself, but we fight this battle together. Honestly names and photos shouldn't be able to be released unless an actual conviction is issued...

@@ZentaBon yeah. It is totally ridiculous that names and photos are plastered on the internet for all-time. I legit had someone ask me about it in a job interview bc they googled me. So embarrassing

I was falsely arrested for dui and had to spend a little over twelve hours in jail, pay a $50 bail to get out and miss two days of work for court hearings before all charges were dropped. They were dropped because I don't drink alcohol, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons. That should have been apparent to the officer after I passed the field sobriety test and then volunteered to take and subsequently passed the breathalyzer test, but he did witness me leaving a bar, a bar I drink water and sing karaoke at, and I have a natural slur in my speech pattern...

Oregon is one of the states that publish mug shots. They recently stopped, or at least some counties, for this very reason.
There was a whole economy setup around taking these mug shots and publishing them in newspaper-esque periodicals which sat next to checkouts at gas stations. That means an innocent person's face would be plastered all over the place in print media for a crime they weren't convicted of.

@@CRneu in Louisiana, the mug shots are up on the Parishes (county) police website before I was even released. I was told if I paid a lawyer an additional $5000 they could possibly get it removed

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I am confused by something. How was he stuck in Jail for years? I thought you can't be held in jail without trial for that long?

@@Nostripe361 probably because they had no evidence on him actually having done it, the case got forgotten about and so no trial was set up for him. I wouldnt surprise me. Look at how many people are in jails in america and how many are added everyday. Some of them are bound to slip through the cracks.

Hearing that he killed himself - normally they use the words 'took his life' or 'committed suicide' but saying "killed himself" was a good idea because it really hammers home what he actually did - was gutwrenching. I knew thats what was going to be said but still, having it confirmed hurt. He had the best years of his life taken away and he could never get them back and the rest of his life was ruined.

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The streets aren't all that unsafe unless you're not aware of your surroundings.

Slavery.

Prisons are fictional. Did someone tel you they exist outside of fiction?

I know this comment is over a year old, but in case you haven't figured it out, I can tell you what those folks consider the biggest, most rampant crime in the US is, and what they think the punishment should be.

Its so much more simple: whereas the cat could die if the wave function isn't collapsed fast enough...none of that matters for bail: if the county stands to make a lot then all bets are off because they are focused on 1) making corruption $ any way possible 2) helping the people if they have time to get around to it.

I'm genuinely glad that the political party I align with doesn't say stupid shit like this.
"We assume you're guilty" and "You have the right to a presumption of innocence" are mutually exclusive. You seriously do not have to be a genius to realize that.

Lady, spot on

It's funny how none of this bail talk applies to the Jan6 people, who nearly all of them did nothing wrong besides walk through a building; yet many of them are still not out/ no bail/ no trial. Lets not talk about that though.

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So what you're saying is if I don't want to pay child support all I have to do is invent a time machine?

Aww come on man you expect us to believe that you weren't out there knocking up girls in grade school?

wow, that's just infuriating

@@AnthonyGoodley
Well yeah not when he was 8 years old

If you were taught better or kept it in your pants😒 all young get dumb chances...

He was already a convicted felon

@@nickjacobs8507 Which means that one can then be held indefinitely without trial or conviction for a new and separate item?

@@nickjacobs8507 he was accused of taking a bakery truck for a joyride. He said he was innocent, but plead guilty.

@@nickjacobs8507 You're a cruel and heartless POS but people who are callous enough to write such bullshit are usually proud of their inhumanity instead of being ashamed of it.

​@@aamnahere6250 Sorry the facts hurt your feelings but he was a convicted felon & its a fact that he was a criminal.

I'd rather be around her than that judge. He seems far more dangerous.

Literal power tripping tyrant.

Just give him a bail and double it every time you don't like him. Which is continuously, because he's like that.

A judge asks you 3 times to say the one of the words "yes" or "no" and you stupidly defy him with "yeah", what do you think it's gonna happen ? Are americans that stupid ?

He was removed from the bench for "a pattern of musconduct." He got his

I always laugh when people tell me, "you'll be glad the cops were there when you're the victim of a crime." Guess what? I was the victim of a crime. Our car was stolen out of our carport. We reported it to the cops. They told us it is NOT stolen, but impounded, and they give us the address. What they failed to mention is that the car had been completely torched. It was a hunk of metal delivered to an impound lot. The impound folks gave us a lovely bill for $400 in towing and impound fees. The cops refused to investigate any further and essentially made it sound like it was our fault. Thank you so much, police--you protected us so well that the "service" you provided cost us $400, left us without a vehicle (thankfully we have a second vehicle; many are not that lucky), and gave us nothing in return. Impound lots, much like bail bondsmen, work hand in glove with the cops to plunder local communities without providing anything of value. It is pure rent seeking.

@@daveschrumpf8261 sounds like there's some missing info here....did you leave your car on the side of the road or something? There's no way in hell your car came up missing from your driveway and the police acted like this.

That's why we have a judicial system. It's not the cop that decides your innocence.

@@jonmancill6824 No, no, you can't tell him that, because that's called personal responsibility, and it's never their fault, it's always someone else that did that to them. These people have made their decision that all cops are bad, and therefore, when they get caught doing something illegal, it's the system's fault.

@@jonmancill6824 Your a totally clueless person.
But let me help you. Always buy a used car with cashiers checks and not cash in person. Because any amount of money over… wtv the heck the cop feels like that day is a reason to arrest you and take your money because “its suspicious” to carry cash

You're actually being too generous with that, none of them were actually stupid enough to think he wanted a dog with a degree, they just wanted to use that an excuse to deprive him of his constitutional rights.

they didn't think that man literally wanted a "lawyer dog", anymore than that judge was "confused" by the answer of 'yeah'. the state knew exactly what was going on in both scenarios, but gleefully took the excuse to fuck someone over.

Maybe the color folk could learn to speak properly.

That was the cops being obtuse.
The judge giving a clear instuction and getting interrupted while explaining further and then being met with the same responce the judge said would not be accepted.
And again was met with a cat noise. "Gnyea" sounds like nah as much as it sounds like yeah..
It is why they ask you answer clearly with yes or no.

Maybe the „kangz“ could learn to speak like normal people. Would help in these situations.

Sounds like something from the Soviet Union.

@@TheBackyardChemist actually it sounds like something from amerikkka, but amerikkkans are great at deflection and misdirection

or possibly very familiar to Salem witch trials

@@TheBackyardChemist or, ya know, the United States. Guantanamo is still open.

@@TheBackyardChemist Wow your comment is a realy good example how the propaganda teached you to allways associate everything bad with the Soviets/communism no matter how typical for America/Capitalism it is

"US system is just a way to make money"
Apply that statement that to quite literally every facet of life, and you have America in a nutshell

Yay capitalism?

@@EisenSMT education, housing, medical care, transportation, etc.

Bail pretty much does not exist anywhere else but the US. It is very likely that its abuse and overuse by courts is due to most jails being privatized. The vast majority of jails in the US are ran by large private corporations and the whole point of those corporations is not to help and reform peoples behavior, but to increase their inmate population. More inmates = more money. I’m almost certain they lobby heavily for those republican candidates to win elections

@@LadyDoomsinger it's not capitalism, it's corporate greed

Someone fiction was fictional?

@@bunk95 That's nice, honey.

ugh, I'm sorry to hear you went through that, dude. I hope your recovery is going well.

@Jayne Nunya been clean for about 20 years now. I was mad at the time, but I definitely needed the lesson on my journey. It changed my life.

@@JennzOrsYou should have been sentenced to a hospital instead; any wrongdoing there and you can be pulled upstairs with barred windows.

@@steamnamebbderinvade__ it definitely really sucked to have to cold-turkey in jail. It was very rough

Judges are fictional. Are they marketing some of my slaves with that fiction near you?

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There’s a docuseries on Netflix about Kalief that is moving and heart breaking. I instantly began to cry now watching his interview, knowing what happened to him and how much he suffered.

Republicans are a joke.

It's one of the most devastating news stories I've ever heard. Just so, so disgusting. "Land of the free" absolutely no it is not, what a lie.

@@tpico93 Very much so

I'm a retired attorney. Statistically, 90% of criminal cases plead out. Of the 10% that do go to trial, they clog up the system that if you have a civil case it takes over a year to get a court date. Of those 10% criminal cases that go to trial, 90% of them will be convicted solely on the verbal evidence that the police give. Basically, once the police charge you, you are guilty.

And what about those people with preponderance off evidence (caught on video fleeing the scene of an accident, in possession of stolen property, sold drugs to undercover, etc) that are in fact guilty, but not yet convicted?

@@leok7193 You don't give them bail, obviously. No one is suggesting otherwise. It's silly to even bring up such a fictional scenario.

I would argue we should have empathy for people, EVEN if they are convicted of a crime; they are still people. We don't have to like them or even want them around us, but at the very least we can treat people as actual human beings, regardless of whether they committed a crime or not.

Conservatives use this system to stamp felony convictions onto Democrat-voting community groups. In many cases, the US takes your voting rights away if you're convicted felon so it's an effective system to steal more elections.

The United States simply jails more people than it's injustice system can handle (both because this country loves cops/private prison profits/fucking over anyone who isn't white and because this country hates funding anything at all ever except for welfare for the rich), so the backlog of cases just keeps getting worse and worse, leading to longer and longer delays for people who may or may not be guilty. So we theoretically have the constitutional right to a "speedy trial", but in practice, this right is violated all the time.

It's going on three years for me. Luckily I had plenty of money at the time to stay out of jail. My money is running out and they are trying to put me in jail so I will have to take a deal. I did absolutely nothing. There is no evidence against me. There is no case against me. My charges aren't even what I was arrested for. I lost over $100k in equipment from civil asset forfeiture. I've been on pretrial which is the exact same thing as probation. Same restrictions and fees. If I violate due to non-payment I go to jail until trial. That means I can get 5 years for no crime committed

(1) The courts are backed up for months or even years because there are INFINITE LAWS to make sure that EVERYBODY is guilty of something or other so that the system can squeeze money out of everybody. (2) We live in 1692 Salem. 😒

Government, religion and industry are fictional things.

Criminals love this stupid idea.

Reality sucks. And so bail reform is....?

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What?

We should get rid of bail. If you are arrested you can not get out of prison until set free by a jury. Guilty until found innocent by a trial of your peers.

@@rabbit251 good, necessary, uncaring about your "feelings", right, ethical, moral, just, unhypocritical, economical, safe, merited, the norm in other countries... Overall unsucky.

That is heartbreaking. Not to mention, the issues he might have with getting job, home, etc. But moreover, the time lost for something he never did. The system needs to be held accountable.

He definitely gets visibly angrier and angrier.

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really i lost respect after he flat out lied how bail bonds work. the bondsman does not charge a fee of 10% but less than $100 and the 10% of bail you put down is given back regardless of the outcome. I quit watching cause every night its more lies from him. he might as well be on cnn

@@SgtJoeSmith I just looked up the rules here in Florida and it says the 10% is non-refundable. Maybe it’s different state to state, but it’s not accurate to say it’s a lie.
It won’t let me reply to his response? Did he block me? Anyway, I did dig around some more and per JaxCriminalDefenseAttorney: So, if bail is set at $10,000 and the defendant uses a bail bond agent, the defendant pays the agent $1,000 and the agent posts $10,000 or with the court. But, there’s a downside to bail bonds-the 10% paid to the bondsman is a fee, not a deposit to ensure appearance.
That means the $1,000 is gone forever. Even if the charges against the defendant are dismissed entirely, that money isn’t coming back.”

In Texas if you post bail you don’t get your money back

Kalief Browder. His story guts me. Just proves that being poor is a crime in this country.

I cannot agree more with you and the people who are responsible for his death are walking free as we speak. This is humanity at its worst 😞.

What's really heartbreaking is how Kyle Rittenhouse killed a man with an AR-15 because he was threatened with a fist fight.

@@MB5rider81 absolutely beside the point, but yeah, Rittenhouse should be in prison on a life sentence. It is a broken system and failed judicial system of systemic racism that arrests innocent young black man who remained in jail for years while a white nationalist kills a man and walks free and is deemed innocent by a court of law.
Sickening.

I came very close to being the same story, literally despite the alleged victim denying i did anything, the detective pushed anyway and im still dealing with it nearly 6 years later.

It should also be mandatory to watch weekly in Congress

Same, especially wi the state of things in the UK now. But at least we don't have THIS pile of excrement!!!

Well said! I think about that every time police are caught bending over backwards to frame an innocent person for heinous crimes. How many serial killers and serial sex criminals are walking around free and undetected because shoddy police work has made innocent people pay for their crimes?

@@firstnamelastname7708 Makes sense that they want to close the case as fast as possible if they're covering for a buddy who did the crime.

@@firstnamelastname7708 Oh we know, just look up how many employees your local police department has.

thank you for this comment

Well said. Thank you

In Ancient Persia, lying was punishable by death
I wish Ancient Persia started the Industrial Revolution, not Racist White Christians

politics is for professional liars.

Amoreica iz a lend of Freidom..Can say whatever they want
.My foot.

Because your country is not free. It belongs to a few very rich people.

Too hard to enforce, given that those are exactly the people we are supposed to trust with making fair laws.

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Bail is fictional.

Watch more of this show. American prisoners get put to forced labour and presented a bill for their stay.

In America you're guilty until proven innocent... Just like the internet... I swear America has become a Twitter comment thread

to be fair we have a similar problem in germany. because courts take too long to convict people in u-haft, they are released since you can only be in u-haft for so long (i mean only few exceptions that are really outstanding like beate zschäpe). technically it's right that they shouldn't be in u-haft for that long, but practically we release people that even qualified for u-haft in the first place or in some cases even are convicted but not the final verdict yet. fun times.

Prison industrial complex/neo slavery baby. It’s the American way. And it’s disgusting

That's the point. The US is an experiment about how to make the most robust human cattle the world has ever seen.

American multi-tier justice, how will it ever be fair or just?

In Finland the fines are a percentage of what you earn.

A better quote would be “if the penalty for a crime is a fine, the only law you violated was being poor”.

"Murder is a crime
Unless it is done
by a policeman
or aristocrat"
_ 'Know Your Rights' by The Clash

@@curtisthomas2670 i dont like that quote, it seems we need some form of power regulation in a society. But there need to be a equal power to that power. If that is broken then you got a problem. I think the problem here its theoreticly needed, but practically abused...

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yes I get these every day damn near it is total bullshit and wrong should not be allowed to be given to people who are vulnerable to misinformation wrong wrong wrong

It wasn't the value of the backpack. It was that it was a robbery-a violent crime. I am not getting into the facts of the case-as they obviously got the wrong guy with tragic results, but that's why it was $10K.

One would almost say it just is.

This had me shedding tears

Remember you only have to post 10percent of bail to get out.

@@michaelbillings Didn't he say you have you PAY 10% of the bail to a bail company so they cover the whole bail for you. And you won't get that money back either, no matter what the outcome in court is.
So in hos case that would be 1000$ payment (!) for the family.

Absolutely appalling. Clearly the gravity of the law only applies when it can take someone's rights away and protecting them is incidental as a civic duty.

@@XatxiFly Same jail regularly fails inspection. An inmate died there just a week or two ago. Honestly the experience traumatized me and still affects me, but I also don't want to go back to being ignorant to how aweful my state's criminal justice system is.

Where is the shame in the american system

Moral of the story: You *ALWAYS* need a lawyer.

This breaks my heart. I'm so sorry you had to endure the injustice of a system based on paranoia just to keep people happy to be oppressed. You deserved better. May the rest of your life be blessed and may things change with the new generations to make things better for everyone.

I got a dui as a juvenile and I still have to put it on job apps 15 years later ... it hasn't stopped me from getting a job but it's Still total bs that a job can legally require me to state whether I had a dui when the job requires 0 driving and is remote ..

@@bernpri7580 we can take that further. Why are we reporting DUIs, a clear addiction/mental health issue, as a criminal case at all? Why are you reporting crimes in a record that by LAW has to be sealed (juvenile).
The hilarious thing to me about how bad racism is in this country is that once you start to see it, you see how entire corrupt systems and all of America was built to control PoC.
And how that ultimately hurts all citizens.
It’s this argument right here. Pay attention.

I don't think people should be punished and prevented from earning a living for mistakes they made in the past!

It’s insanity. Innocent people are arrested all the time because the cop was either wrong, protecting his brother in blue, planted evidence, flat out lied or was simply in a bad mood. The police have entirely far too much unchecked power and influence in our society. Mostly because majority of people still blindly support them.
Edit: Often times, it’s the political side that is pro Constitution and anti big government. Yet ironically blindly support the agents of big government (police). It’s as if they just can’t quite make that connection. (I used to be one)

yeah no im not going to hire convict the public has a right to know who they are dealing with and tigers dont change their stripes ....the majority of thefts and other criminal action like vandalism comes from hourly employees on the job ..this is stastically proven and the larger your business the more losses you incur

America didn't abolish slavery. Slavery is legal for prisoners.

The 13th amendment has a clause specifically stating that slave labour can be imposed on prisoners. this has led to prison laws changing every time there was social reform for people of colour in the USA. I can't recommend the documentary '13th' enough as an eye opener to how seriously skewed to keeping people imprisoned the US 'justice' system is. For example the difference in min-max jail time between possession of powdered cocaine and crack cocaine. And the link between in which communities each form of the same drug was used.

They only partially abolished it. Still allowed as punishment for a crime.

Slavery is the highest form of capitalism.

It is slavery, it's legal there. So while your implied cognitive dissonance doesn't exist, it's actually far worse.

Thank you for all that you do.
I'm sure you spend a lot of workdays with people going through the worst moments of their lives, and thus don't hear this a lot, but your work is the backbone of the judicial system. It's appreciated.

In a holding cell, at that.

Under what circumstances? My understanding was to hold someone you have to a) arrest them, or b) get two psychiatric consultants to affirm that they are a danger to themselves or others. The psychiatric rule is one people should check the details of in their particular state, but I've known too many people who were held in a police station until the morning because someone thought they sounded depressed. "How did they manage to 2PC you?" I ask, knowing ahead of time they won't know what that is, because if they did, they wouldn't have spent the night handcuffed to a bench.
I'm not arguing with you: my question is not rhetorical.

In North Carolina, I was held in jail from Friday morning to Tuesday then a judge dismissed the charges, which I didn't do.

@@jessejordache1869 I have a friend in Wisconsin who was held for almost 5 days under a similar policy. It was on a disorderly conduct with charges dropped

@@jessejordache1869 in oregon, or at least multnomah county you can be held with your bail set at $0, meaning you'll be released as soon as possible. but if you're booked on a Friday, the system won't clear you to leave until Monday
it's not technically an indefinite hold, it's just conveniently a system with long, built-in delays, even or especially for innocent people

Yes , because murderers, child molesters, and wife beaters should be OUT the next day?.....nope.

Be careful about that. Any decision or position should be weighted on the facts available, not on 'well, I don't want what THEY want'. If you drop down to simply opposing whatever (i.e.) Fox says, you're on the same level as those Fox viewers that will support anything 'to own the libs'.

They love human suffering.

@@eleanor8652 have you been to democrat run NYC lately. Dems LOVE causing human suffering....

Same here in Italy. Is so strict that that is so common to know the conditions, also if you are not work in the justice

this is why we need a revolution!

@@low_vibration by way of ballots. Not bullets

@@SecretEyeSpot Yeah, tried that in 2008 and look where "Change You Can Believe In" led us. Electoral politics is no avenue for meaningful, positive change. It's a dumpster fire of broken dreams

That sounds like some absolute bullshit!
I know people who were caught with HEROINE and an unregistered gun in their home with their children inside at the time, and didn't lose custody of them!
And the only reason one of the parents wasn't back home that same day, was because of 2 unpaid traffic tickets, and the bail was more than they were able to come up with that day.

Pot crimes should not be thi g as long as your not trafficking

@@bernpri7580 They shouldn't be a thing at all. It's WEED. There has never been a weed-related violent crime.

@@DmonHiro idk about that, it's possible speaking from my own experience tbh not sure what you mean by violent though i could be misinterpreting what u mean

Wow, that really sucks. That must've been traumatizing. I hope you get to spend time with your son.

Really? You didn't know his story? You should research it. Not only will it break your heart, it will tear it in two!!!

It's unfair, evil, and not something that happens in a country that pretends to value freedom.

That part broke my heart :(

Power coupons!

Well adnan syed and julius jones are DEFINITELY guilty and syed got out...

Hopefully that was the last time you chose to associate yourself with drug addicts. All entirely avoidable.

@@privacyplease1556 that's your takeaway? Not that the justice system isn't operating as it should and maybe that some laws are kind of dumb, but that you should make sure you stay away from people that do drugs? What if you don't know if they do? Be more sympathetic.

@@Anemonemarie The privileged will never comprehend anything beyond their bubbles.

@@privacyplease1556 ARE YOU A REAL HUMAN?? How can this be a reasonable takeaway from this awful, tragic story? Even if you're trolling, you're seriously delusional if you think that's an OK thing to say.

PRIVACY PLEASE. Lack of empathy correlates strongly with lack of higher-level reasoning (stupidity. I thought you may need it more obviously stated). Learn a thing and be better.

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What do you mean when you say “bail reform” what specifically are you advocating for?

Bail reform is code for release all criminals. You'll protect actual violent rapists before you protect innocent people and a million victims will suffer before you either realize it or die without realizing it.

Ever wonder if this might not be a liberal democracy?
Or worse, if this is exactly that - a class based society

This is the logical ramification of capitalism. For profit prisons and slave exploitation are core necessities of capitalist systems. There has to be an oppressed class for capitalism to function correctly, and that's exactly what we have right now.

We should get rid of bail. If you are arrested you can not get out of prison until set free by a jury. Guilty until found innocent by a trial of your peers.

Well that’s kind of the point, being jailed for being poor. It’s a way to both further reduce social mobility, and continue the age old practice of the slave trade in the US. You can look at the 13th amendment if you don’t believe me.
The industry of prisoners working without pay is a major way for corporations to stay above the margin of profitability.

This is way worse in america than in any other "civilized country" because of the private jail system that basically have a financial incentive to house as many prisoners as long as possible. You are at the fucking top of the list of incarcerated citizens per capita and the one that come close are countrys like El Salvador and Turkmenistan. Unless you agree that americans are the most criminal people on the planet on average, this should give everyone pause. I hear people screaming communism already, but some things shouldnt be privately owned and run for profit, prisons and healthcare are a few good examples.

John Oliver wants to penalize the innocent while rewarding the guilty

and yet Darrell Brooks got out on 1000 dollar bail for felony sexual assault on a minor. Bet you support what he did

You beat his ass. That's what you get for not being a rag doll.

I hope you're still around and that's terrifying that a cop thinks violence is the answer to everything that isn't initially violent.

@@shooglechic I had my back turned to him both times. Both times he tried to choke me but he's like 5'6 140 pounds I'm 6'3 200 and used to be an athlete. Surprised he didn't learn his lesson the first time. The second time afterwards he was saying shit like "I got you this time. You're going to the pen. Second offense if a felony. Bla bla bla." He did it with the intention of sending me to prison and if I would've gone with a court appointed attorney again that's exactly where I would've gone. I have a masters degree but can't get a decent job because I'm a violent criminal on paper. In real like I'm the chillest dude you'd ever meet.

That is horrifying… I hope you stay safe.. it doesn’t sound good … I hope you don’t live in the same town

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What do you expect when most of the people making these rules are former cops and people close with the FOP.. everything they do is senselessly cruel.. that’s why they became cops..

​@@willreasoner4472 I think in particular the reason the American version of this is particularly awful is the influence of slavery -- it's the origin of so many of our institutions from the police force to the corporate ladder to mortgages and big banks and bonds and even the stock market. Part of the reason the GOP and the Wrong-wing politicians are so set on banning books about race relations is because they're scared people will realize how deeply ingrained slavery is in the entirety of the American system to this very day, and then the bastards who pay them constant bribes ("contributions") will stop doing that if the people learn the truth.

Suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems.

Over a fucking backpack. 3 years of his life gone over a fucking backpack.

Rest in peace!

@@peppermintbee Which as it turns out, never actually existed and the guy just straight up lied.

Because it sells papers and gets clicks. Who cares about the moral or ethical implications of irresponsible reporting and the very real effect it can have on the life of an innocent person, because we sold our papers.

Totally agree, I presume you're referring to the Zimmerman trial some years ago now

@@chimrichalds5205 she’s obviously not talking about the murderer George Zimmerman

Horrible to hear. And yep, people who support the system as-is are the (white) middle and upper class who can afford to never be involved with it and who are never penalized by it on "suspicion."

Fuck the police. 🤬 the system breaks so much more than it fixes…if it fixes anything.

yeah brah, it's been Fuk 12. hope everything goes well with u.

Yikes on bikes ya'll that's some dark stuff.

That’s why you never call police for anything

Soon there will be no Europe.

Enjoy the entertainment, dear fellow Old World inhabitant. It's dangerous to have a neighbor who's a mess, it makes it easy to think that everything's fine and dandy in your house ... right until it very much isn't.

Its crazy, but actually the dire feeling of dread is exactly the same watching john olliver as it is watching black mirror

Soon everyone will be speaking Arabic in Europe. Enjoy it while you can.

@@DoomFinger511 What's wrong with that? Arabic is an amazing language with a vast culture and history.
In all seriousness tho the US will be speaking mandarin long before Europe speak Arabic. Have a good day you racist POS.

13th amendment. If the purpose of this industry is absurd profit margins, they’re not gonna literally pay for their mistakes.

I think the bigger question is, how can a system lock a person up *FOR 3 YEARS* without *being required* to convict him first?!

Absolutely. That just hit...hard.

@@LadyDoomsinger
I know some cases take a long time to investigate fully - although three years is a VERY long time.
However, I know of a case, (huge tax evasion and fraud case for nearly 100 million dollars), where a person had been in custody for 25 months, but after a couple of weeks arrested and jailed again because he tried to influence witnesses in the case.
I can't remember how long he ended up being jailed while the case was being investigated.
But it was probably close to three years - of course the pandemic also played a role because it slowed down our court system..
But here where I live, if the prosecutor wants a person to remain in custody, they have to argue it in front of a judge several times - they don't get to keep people in custody without a judge reviewing the case every two to three months or so.
And the guy in the case I mentioned could just have avoided contacting witnesses in the case, and he had been free at least up til the time for his court case, and probably a while after, as non violent, and offenders deemed less likely to commit crimes while waiting, often get to wait a while before being send to some low-security prison.

Regardless of this specific case, it's more sensible to house arrest non violent suspects. They have to plan each week beforehand and get surveilled by a tracking device. It actually works pretty well and is used in many EU countries (it's also used for convicts on probation).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_tagging

I kind of alternate between laughing and screaming.

I agree. How he makes anyone laugh is always hard to phantom.

Too bad that people who actually need to see this probably will never see it.

Whats funny is the black lady knows not to let her Chicago people out of jail

It's called propaganda, buddy. He's feeding you opinions you take for information. Usually it's garnished with fear or anger, but laughter, and the smug feel of superiority that is his trademark, work in exactly the same way.

yes, but jails arent privately run in the US are they? just the prisons?

@@andersbjrnsen7203 Many jails contract out things like meal service and guard services, so there are plenty of private corporations that make money because of inmates. They contribute money to the politicians that control policies that affect how many inmates are kept.

@@melchioe1 ok, I see. I guess contractors might be good at running those services, but damn that is one unhealthy "loop" if it gives reason to lobbying for more use of jail..
Are bail companies usually independent or part of bigger corporations?

Wow. You think so, maybe? Wait until you learn about federal government payments to prisons for each prisoner they keep. No B.S. It effectively puts a bounty on every person (whether guilty or not) in the US

And those judges should be stripped of their bar license and ban practicing law. But judges are like gods in most counties, and states, untouchable by most everyone. Takes an act of *insert your own deity* to remove one and even then new one isn't guarantee to be any better.

Why does bail exist? Every case should be judged individually and chared should be let out for trial based on How dangerous they are or did they commit the crime earlier.
In Manhattan where I live an Old man was brutally beaten and robbed the Robber was caught earlier last month for a street fight and shoplifting and he has a rap sheet. Why He was out on Bail reform?
I believe all people charged with a victimless crime should be free. But Muggers, Robbers, and Aussulters should be in jail

@@hermanhoppe3773 bail exists in the US because you're not required to tell the government where you live, so it would be hard to find you if they have to even if you don't hide. At least that's the explanation I've heard

How about the psychological impact of the victims of Darryl Brooks and their families? Released on no cash bail after violently assaulting his girlfriend before he mowed down and murdered 8 people including a child.

It's a really great reminder that you NEED to figure out why someone is in a position of authority. Most people tip their hands within the first few minutes of meeting them; did they reach this position out of a desire to better society and do the right thing OR has it always been a desperate need to feel strong and have a power trip? Depending on the answer there are wildly different expectations, we could do a lot more to notice and start eliminating these ego-driven people from such positions.

And, allegedly, tipped off the press to his own arrest so it could be broadcast to get Trump's attention for a pardon.

Then he got pardoned. Insane

Huh? This been happening since you people got here.

Steve Bannon has been convicted, again, and gets to stay home while his appeal is filed.

I'm a single mom to a disabled daughter living on disability in government housing. I could be wrong, but it just seems to me that if I personally had even a little bit of evidence pointing to how I could be the lead instigator of a plot to overthrow American democracy and insighted a group of people to storm the US capital I'd probably not be sitting here in my bedroom right now. But there is a person in this country with a similar situation who isn't in jail but is instead thinking of re-running for president. Tell me that's fair and isn't all about the money. It's like life or death consequences for us and a game for them.

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Won't be for much longer, I'm afraid. But then you won't have to wonder anymore

Calling it “functional” is assuming too much credit

When the working class has had enough, it won't be functional anymore. And good riddance to a functioning fascist order.

It's more like in the process of losing it, but if we fight we always have a chance.

Hearing he killed himself was a punch in the gut. So heartbreaking.

I'm a retired attorney. In my state if a DA hasn't brought charges against you within a year the judges will automatically dismiss it. Somehow NY has missed that SCOTUS ruling.

Broke me. Absolutely shocking.... so so sorry for him and his family. Tragic.

I was a bit... cruder.
Even worse I pretty much knew that was coming and it still hurt.

@@rabbit251- You missed the point. Khalif had pending bailable charges against the entire 3 years he was in Rikers - justice grinds slowly. They (the DA) magically dismissed his charges, but the damage to him was irreversible. Sandra Bland lost hope in just days, not years.

So you have the money to pay

@@manueldg5177 how the fu** was that a logical response to what they said?

@@manueldg5177 I did. But initially I didn't know the cost. I was give the option of affording an attorney of which I didn't know the cost, staying in jail, or changing my plea.
I ended up in jail. I wouldn't have had a hearing until 70 days after my arrest. I called attorneys from a half way house. Hired one and the next day I was out.
I didn't consider myself a flight risk. I owned rental property, had truck payments and I was considered a risk my the prosecution. Unless I changed my plea or hired an attorney I was stuck. The attorney given 2k saw me released. Had I no money I'd been fucked.

​@@manueldg5177 That's the point. He would've been in prison if he didn't have the money. How is that fair for people without the money?

That's exactly how our system works. It's set up that way. Pay one way or another, or sit in county jail.

He makes sure not to show the results from New York and California where cashless bail has resulted in criminals reoffending 5 times with rape and murder. It worked in Texas because gun owners in Texas would execute him if he reoffended.

But the criminals don't deserve work and education, what do you think they deserve? Human rights? This is America

@@Blewlongmun What do you think about the J6 rioters? Your opinion is different from them because think that they "overturned an election" even though it was a heated protest.
All leftists want to free violent unrepentant criminals while imprisoning those who protest and oppose against them. That is because they're evil hypocrites and liars.

We treated Darrell Brooks with humanity by not holding him to a high standard and giving him only a 1000 dollar bail even though he sexually assaulted a minor. How did that workout?

@@Blewlongmun I've heard enough people say stuff like this and mean it that I'm not sure if you're joking or not... ~_~

100% true. Here in India, getting jailed for petty crime is the number 1 path to being a big time hardened criminal. Significant chunk of murderers, burglars and rapists have prior rap sheets of small crimes - harassment, extortion, physical assault, gambling, pimping and drug dealing. They were doing whatever it took to make ends meet, illegal activities but small time nonetheless. And then they got jailed, got recruited by big fish as foot soldiers and slowly turned to professional criminals. And a big, big part of this evolution is the treatment by the prison system and common citizenry as if they were cockroaches.

I've been looking for someone to mention this. Definitely seemed to choke him up, and I appreciate the professionalism to get the history and message across without allowing himself distracting tears, no matter how greatly he may have wished to.

The state can freely take your life and put it on halt anytime they feel like it, fucking gross. That shit needs to be expedited. It is entirely nonsensical to take a month of time to await court

What did he do?

@@privacyplease1556 more like what is it convenient for the police to think he did?

Lol how? Should be taking place 2-3 days in.

@@OhGeeGanksta Yes, that's literally why it's so horrific.

Me too, it's like you laugh and cry at the same time.

With a good portion of sarcasm I guess…

Because he's a deceptive weasel that manipulates data, discards it when it doesn't suit him, and feeds his audience bullshit on behalf of his ideology?

It should anger you more than anything.

How about the psychological impact of the victims of Darryl Brooks and their families? Released on no cash bail after violently assaulting his girlfriend before he mowed down and murdered 8 people including a child.

Well, we were built on it, so...

Hoping you're saying this as an American yourself, and not some outsider trying to make themself feel better about their own country 😅

@@Onigirli I'm not an American . Though US always fascinates me.

Isn't that why they invented ex-lax?

See, and that's why it's a good thing to carry stuff like laxatives, mild poisons, maybe a touch of arsenic ... that might have made you so much more comfortable refilling the butter dish nearest to those two.
Dear gods, those are some quotes. But honestly, I can't quite believe that somebody would honestly tell his son "you don't have to worry about anything that carries a fine" - I means, surely he doesn't want his son to end up a criminal?

thats just terrifying

@@NoahGooder You don't offend the food service. That's just common sense.

@@jessejordache1869 I never do and If I notice a waiter or whatever seems to be stressed I try to ask if they are ok out of well concern.

And that's exactly how it should feel, because, unfortunately, there isn't

His story is so sad. Look up his name. He was beaten and locked up alone for a long time. He said officers starved him... It makes me sick.

@@dorivimi that is truly heartbreaking. And he didn't even do anything to deserve any of it.

Our worlds a fantasy! Our worlds a fantasy! Our worlds a fantasy!!!

The Constitution states that we have a right to a speedy trial, but it doesn't explicitly define what "speedy" means.
The justice/legal system also gets bogged down by endless bureaucracy with, dare I say, not enough bureaucrats to handle it all.