Pat McAfee's Thoughts On Tom Brady & Russell Wilson Practicing Against NFL Recommendations

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  • @ricanvibez
    @ricanvibez 3 년 전 +258

    Well it’s recommended not a rule. Plenty of teams and players have been doing their own workouts

    • @kf8080
      @kf8080 3 년 전 +1

      And marquise brown wins the madden bowl instead

    • @rickyrobby8133
      @rickyrobby8133 3 년 전 +2

      It’s recommended you don’t drive your car off a cliff as well

  • @peteranderson8568
    @peteranderson8568 3 년 전 +136

    Metcalf lookin readyyy

    • @DylanASD
      @DylanASD 3 년 전 +6

      Peter Anderson Optimus will dominate next season (aka Metcalf)

    • @codymorris6702
      @codymorris6702 3 년 전

      Dylan ASD I see what you did there

    • @DylanASD
      @DylanASD 3 년 전

      501st corporal Cody Big boi gonna eat

    • @coreywilson3508
      @coreywilson3508 3 년 전 +6

      Megatron 2.0 👀

    • @joefilipelli3867
      @joefilipelli3867 3 년 전 +2

      Last time he looked not ready was probably 7th grade lol

  • @rogue8050
    @rogue8050 3 년 전 +99

    Practicing on their own terms is how they became the best.

    • @johnlee7377
      @johnlee7377 3 년 전

      Hopefully the season doesn't get canceled from the second wave. There probably won't be college football, so if NFL gets canceled, I might kill myself

    • @iwishyouwould6937
      @iwishyouwould6937 3 년 전 +1

      Like a boxers training camp. Have to prepare mind and body for punishment.

    • @ironiefan1567
      @ironiefan1567 3 년 전

      @@johnlee7377 I think it will start but no chance that there will be fans

    • @anandabaruah2262
      @anandabaruah2262 3 년 전 +1

      Boom.

  • @Chubbytiger74
    @Chubbytiger74 3 년 전 +114

    People need to understand that recommendations and guidelines are not rules or laws

    • @chriskroenung4825
      @chriskroenung4825 3 년 전 +2

      no this the new normal guidelines are laws just ask all of the people that have been arrested for violating them

    • @modern.performer
      @modern.performer 3 년 전

      @@chriskroenung4825 now, ask yourself this: how many of us can they really arrest based on such b.s. ? How many?
      Yeah. There you go

    • @chriskroenung4825
      @chriskroenung4825 3 년 전 +1

      @@modern.performer yet people are still following the BS because they are sheep. You are correct if enough of us say enough then the BS will stop but for now it is the new normal

    • @howardbaxter2514
      @howardbaxter2514 3 년 전

      @@modern.performer he was being sarcastic

    • @Typzical
      @Typzical 3 년 전

      @@chriskroenung4825 I'm not following this BS because I'm a sheep. I'm following the guidelines because I dont want to get sick and i dont want imuno compromised members of my family to get sick. You sir sound like the only sheep here.

  • @playdagametowin122
    @playdagametowin122 3 년 전 +96

    You need to build chemistry with teammates by practicing with them.

  • @graysonpibal8544
    @graysonpibal8544 3 년 전 +72

    I wanna here about Pats thoughts when Jamie Collins jumped the line to block a pat

    • @colbythedell2749
      @colbythedell2749 3 년 전 +10

      Jamie Collins is a freak! Such an underrated player.

    • @cameronjensen8920
      @cameronjensen8920 3 년 전 +4

      I would also like to here it. I wish he would talk about it hear in his podcasts.

    • @bryancedeno4104
      @bryancedeno4104 3 년 전

      Cameron Jensen 😂😂😂

    • @medicinecloud5488
      @medicinecloud5488 3 년 전

      Like #69 right here

    • @FnRenner
      @FnRenner 3 년 전

      @@colbythedell2749 Jamie Collins takes plays off. The lack of interest and effort looked bad on TV but really stuck out in person. Dude got paid and became lazy on the field instead of pursuing greatness like a Drew Brees or a Charles Woodson or a Rod Woodson did.

  • @erbgorre
    @erbgorre 3 년 전 +21

    russells deep ball has always been a thing of beauty

  • @merryharry6487
    @merryharry6487 3 년 전 +41

    They wouldnt be the best if they didnt practice in the off time. Tom is the goat, he wouldnt have that reputation if he just lied down and said no i think ill take the day off. The hawks are my home team and the 1 yard throw still hurts but there is no denying that tom is one of the greatests

    • @Allemiate
      @Allemiate 3 년 전 +5

      Same here about the hawks and 1 yard line and ofc Tom is the GOAT BUT russell Wilson doesnt get the credit he deserves

    • @merryharry6487
      @merryharry6487 3 년 전 +3

      Hes an elite all the same though. Nobody should question it even if he is a little shorter then the average elite qb.

    • @SamuelAGilio27
      @SamuelAGilio27 3 년 전

      Merry Harry still hurts

  • @konnergallup7509
    @konnergallup7509 3 년 전 +51

    People forget about Tyler lockett

    • @playdead5493
      @playdead5493 3 년 전 +1

      Ikr

    • @Allemiate
      @Allemiate 3 년 전 +2

      i want people to because when he explodes this season then hes gon have all the light he deserves i was at the "impossible catch" game thats a memory ill cherish for ever

    • @lancehandy6648
      @lancehandy6648 3 년 전 +4

      Tyler Locket forgets about Tyler Locket

    • @bobbymarr1297
      @bobbymarr1297 3 년 전 +6

      I think it's kuz he's too small and too quiet. The media likes to only talk about obnoxious people, I'm suprised they're even talking about Wilson and Metcalf

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 3 년 전 +1

      Good. Let them :)

  • @jconduah729
    @jconduah729 3 년 전 +49

    6 game suspension wtf

  • @kale7209
    @kale7209 3 년 전 +6

    “coordinates” “the c is silent” 😂

  • @gavincarlson2917
    @gavincarlson2917 3 년 전 +1

    “Nailed it” lmao

  • @jeremyhoarae9257
    @jeremyhoarae9257 3 년 전 +2

    These are 2 of the greatest qb of all time I would expect nothing less

  • @1bryanmv
    @1bryanmv 3 년 전 +37

    Ordinance: local legislation and regulations
    Ordnance: explosives and ammunition
    Coordinates: the location of something measured on a map or via gps

    • @patocall8146
      @patocall8146 3 년 전

      I was going to say that, and he says yes I used it correctly to compound his error.

  • @dwaynebraid3325
    @dwaynebraid3325 3 년 전 +29

    DK on my fantasy team this year is a must.

    • @samy-g6757
      @samy-g6757 3 년 전 +4

      Dwayne Braid what if AB sign with Seahawks?

    • @maxmeyers4857
      @maxmeyers4857 3 년 전 +1

      Samy-G dk would still play 13+ games more than AB. Just kidding. Brown would improve every team instantly but as of now he wouldn’t replace DK with his skill set.

    • @odysseyr4253
      @odysseyr4253 3 년 전 +1

      @@samy-g6757 suspensions for ab

    • @tdsmith95
      @tdsmith95 3 년 전

      I had him last year i got to the championship

    • @dwaynebraid3325
      @dwaynebraid3325 3 년 전

      @@samy-g6757 Automatically in the SB

  • @lylandewellyn8447
    @lylandewellyn8447 3 년 전 +2

    Why cant I find the rodgers 4 more years shirt in the website?!?!

    • @lylandewellyn8447
      @lylandewellyn8447 3 년 전

      I'm guessing 2 because the pack is old fashioned and will groom Love until they think he is ready. Plus the dead money is astronomically less year 3

  • @keithkelly50
    @keithkelly50 3 년 전 +77

    "Slap on the wrist six games" get out of here with that

  • @omargonzalez560
    @omargonzalez560 3 년 전 +2

    Carr and the boys in Vegas been at it

  • @mattstah9319
    @mattstah9319 3 년 전

    Being a fan, I love to see these guys going 100 in preparation. This is not just a game. It is the NFL

  • @MrCheeseball90
    @MrCheeseball90 3 년 전 +2

    Haskins, McLaurin, Guice, Sims, etc do this every day I swear lmaooo it’s a non story

  • @chrisepps1470
    @chrisepps1470 3 년 전 +7

    Who’s the guy at 3:25 in brown? He kinda looks like Pat lmao

  • @owdeezstrauz1268
    @owdeezstrauz1268 3 년 전 +1

    that's the good thing about "recomendations"

  • @rusherko
    @rusherko 3 년 전 +2

    Definition of ordinance
    1a: an authoritative decree or direction : ORDER
    Definition of ordnance
    1a: military supplies including weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and maintenance tools and equipment

  • @elchakaloso7748
    @elchakaloso7748 3 년 전

    7:10 that stadium is in Mexico home of Club America Estadio Azteca 🦅

  • @BHORNMUSIC
    @BHORNMUSIC 3 년 전

    Pat, I love your show! Please get a pop filter/better mic/or back up a bit from the mic. The sound levels are all over the place when switching from u talking to others talking. Far more noticeable when viewing on the TV then on mobile. Cheers just a friendly suggestion.

  • @collinjohnson8716
    @collinjohnson8716 3 년 전

    Thanks Pat, they were definitely taking a swipe at the Bucs. 😂

  • @kdfinvesting6122
    @kdfinvesting6122 3 년 전 +3

    Seems like the pro thing to do.

  • @YoungBush24
    @YoungBush24 3 년 전 +7

    Pat my ears are bleeding after u tried singing Black and Yellow by Wiz Khalifa

  • @dtoledo477
    @dtoledo477 3 년 전

    Last year I made a move that some people called me stupid, I traded Lockett for DK, DK came up huge in fantasy while Lockett dropped in Value a crap ton. Most definitely getting DK again this year.

  • @rickrawd
    @rickrawd 3 년 전

    Looks good with no pass rushers!

  • @Nicolas-dj5xs
    @Nicolas-dj5xs 3 년 전 +22

    I’d love to see juju on the show

  • @ahx4699
    @ahx4699 3 년 전

    Any american out there wanna help an Aussie out? Looking to get ole miss or army blackknights gear shipped, i really dont want to use fanatics, any ideas? Will ship AFL/NRL gear back if wanted.

  • @DaGreat52
    @DaGreat52 3 년 전 +2

    Creamsicle😂😂😂
    To be honest I don't know what kind of orange the Buccaneers have

    • @patocall8146
      @patocall8146 3 년 전

      That's unfortunately the actual color of the unis here in Tampa

  • @eric1347
    @eric1347 3 년 전

    Gronkowski looks like hes in the best shape of his life.. like hes going to be a force this season

  • @perknowitzki5777
    @perknowitzki5777 3 년 전

    Seattle is not a place to be either rn either

  • @anthonyanthony3069
    @anthonyanthony3069 3 년 전 +1

    Cool glasses

  • @fairwarning007
    @fairwarning007 3 년 전

    How do you break a recommendation?

  • @buff1122
    @buff1122 3 년 전

    Too much sun to be his backyard. We're having a crappy summer here in Seatown.

  • @markd1070
    @markd1070 3 년 전

    As an Aussie.... love Pat and the boys are getting into Aussie Rules Football.
    Yeah love the SHERRIN SHOUT OUT !!!!
    I'm sorry PAT but JAY is right on the Fu@%%%k money in his support for Sydney !!!!

  • @HYENA_art_magazine
    @HYENA_art_magazine 3 년 전 +2

    Pat "Coordinates and ordinances are the same thing" McAfee

  • @kingaxle
    @kingaxle 3 년 전 +1

    Ordinance is a law. Ordnance is a bomb

  • @rizenriz
    @rizenriz 3 년 전 +4

    Why is Russell and DK in Arizona?

  • @buff1122
    @buff1122 3 년 전

    FINALLY SOME LOVE TO RUSS

  • @johnwiggins3950
    @johnwiggins3950 3 년 전 +1

    Anyone can through a few good passes in practice. Let's see how this translates to game time

  • @rickybobby5907
    @rickybobby5907 3 년 전 +4

    Ordanence also refers to explosives

  • @ab5903
    @ab5903 3 년 전

    Seat/sale only half occupancy for stadiums..everyone else charge them nominal fee like $5 bucks to fans like pay per view to still make money

  • @keatoncrook5504
    @keatoncrook5504 3 년 전 +10

    Seahawks!!!!!

  • @patriottomyself
    @patriottomyself 3 년 전

    There's a difference between rules and recommendations for a reason

  • @oso77373
    @oso77373 3 년 전 +5

    Power to them for trying to win. Also, it’s recommended not mandated.

  • @dannomano2851
    @dannomano2851 3 년 전 +9

    Espys, is that bs still going on?

  • @Horndogthehorneddog
    @Horndogthehorneddog 3 년 전 +1

    Ok addressing everyone who thinks that this is the right thing to do. If you watch football you understand you need practice for chemistry, so save that rebuttal, but players of Toms caliber shouldn’t be sending out the message that personal growth is more important than public health.
    There is no guarantee that there will be a season and key players need to send out messaging that supports precautionary actions to ensure that.
    Anyone have a good rebuttal, I’m having a hard time seeing it any way other than this.

    • @yepoknow
      @yepoknow 3 년 전

      I get that. I Think the only rebuttal I would have is nobody is obligated to be a role model for other people. And to put that responsibility on him is kind of silly. I don't know i feel about all of it but you asked to se e it in a different light.

  • @johnchedsey1306
    @johnchedsey1306 3 년 전 +1

    Pretty sure Russell and Decaf are in Arizona, due to the presence of palm trees and at least one saguaro cactus. Not a good place to be right now, unless they're very isolated on the field and wherever they're staying. Same with Brady and his boys in Florida. This crap is real and just because they're elite athletes doesn't mean they're invincible.

  • @jarydjackson8531
    @jarydjackson8531 3 년 전

    Whether Russell Wilson plays baseball this year as well as football or not, all I know is that Pete Carroll is a legend.

  • @mason.7074
    @mason.7074 3 년 전

    AJ Brown was a great baseball player too. Pro level ish

  • @genemartinez6513
    @genemartinez6513 3 년 전

    Sacrifices are needed in order to be the best. These guys know that. Russ work attitude and hustle is what makes him great. He puts a lot of work on his game. Tom is the same. These guys are definitely winners and its great to see them accomplish so much yet they still look so hungry. You can see who actually cares about getting better when you see vids like these. Even Metcalf, it is said he leaves practice well after everyone is gone. Fixing his mistakes and making sure he doesn't repeat them. That is a rookie now sophomore. I can't even imagine how great he will be next year. I think he will break out and go for more than 1,000 catching yards. Go Hawks!

  • @jaydisqus3353
    @jaydisqus3353 3 년 전 +5

    Tom is in Florida, the state that has allowed wrestling to continue.

  • @deathsyth8888
    @deathsyth8888 3 년 전

    Recommendations are just rules that are not directly enforced.

  • @thenicholas7780
    @thenicholas7780 3 년 전

    In my state thousands of people crowded the beaches, restaurants, downtown areas, bars, golf courses and gyms. Who is upset that two people are playing catch in a giant field?

  • @hereigoagain04
    @hereigoagain04 3 년 전 +16

    Or they could just run the season, communicate the measures that they’re taking to keep people safe, & let fans vote with tickets sales whether they want to go. Likewise, if players and personnel don’t want to participate because of personal COVID concerns, don’t make them. Easier said than done, I know, but make the individuals responsible for their own decisions and stop worrying about the politics and who’s going to be offended. And if Wiz Khalifa is going to be a child and make threats to stomp off, let him.

    • @lukeshen1661
      @lukeshen1661 3 년 전 +1

      Its not as simple as that. As the mlb has shown, ur forgetting abt money-the league has to manage whether or not grievances coming from allowing fans that contract it, loss of money if they choose to limit fans, etc.

    • @Sentient_Blob
      @Sentient_Blob 3 년 전 +7

      You also forget that if people go and get infected, they will probably infect others that had nothing to do with the event. The whole thing about letting people do what they want tends to leave out a lot of people farther down the chain

    • @modern.performer
      @modern.performer 3 년 전

      The nfl lost you at "let fans vote"

  • @sxuuxp
    @sxuuxp 3 년 전

    Just remember recommendation is not rule.

  • @cjlong2057
    @cjlong2057 3 년 전

    Can I just say we hear about the AFL a lot on stream how about some MLW wiffle ball 😂

  • @crazykenproductions606

    I like how they say to suspend Wilson but as soon as they figure out Brady is also doing it they keep quiet lol.

  • @drunkwizard2362
    @drunkwizard2362 3 년 전 +1

    Nothing wrong with hanging aht with friends

  • @Blake_.Dryden
    @Blake_.Dryden 3 년 전 +1

    Attempting fumble recoveries, or not, will be business decisions this year. I wouldn’t want to touch that mobile petry dish.

    • @greensleeves3948
      @greensleeves3948 3 년 전

      I agree with this. If just one of those players in the scrum is infected, and the NFL's testing protocols fail to catch it, it will trigger a massive outbreak. And for the 2020 season🏈 that'll be all she wrote.

  • @garyleveroni9410
    @garyleveroni9410 3 년 전

    Keep practicing guys it’s recommended it’s not law ......and Brady and gronk get one for Tampa !

  • @shanemoran6617
    @shanemoran6617 3 년 전

    What is Pat talking about when he saying Tom Brady held backyard workouts with Gronk and Julian. Is that illegal?

  • @collin2502
    @collin2502 3 년 전 +6

    Let’s go hawks Russ is the man

  • @quintpitts4788
    @quintpitts4788 3 년 전

    Pat... a little unfair to compare Kyler and Russels baseball skills... a number 9 firstrounder vs a fourth rounder is a broad difference... in terms of versitale athleticism Kyler has the potential to reach bo Jackson/ deion sanders! Russel never had that

  • @chrisbeecraft
    @chrisbeecraft 3 년 전 +1

    You guys will be watching Australian Football soon cause the latest rises in CCP Virus cases are going to stop any crowd gatherings in CA. FL, TX, AZ, and many of the players are going to question the health risks - do they want to play in a shortened season and jeopardise their future career or wait one season then play for 5-10 years. Remember, you may be young and fit but if you are hospitalised, one symptom is lung scarring, which would make it hard to play when you recover.

  • @Pyschedelicfunk
    @Pyschedelicfunk 3 년 전

    I don't understand why these dudes are talking about suspensions when they aren't breaking any rules

  • @ILuCkYxCh4rMz
    @ILuCkYxCh4rMz 3 년 전

    DK will be this years Chris Godwin.

  • @cc3775
    @cc3775 3 년 전 +10

    So what if they’re told not to practice in groups. Tell that to all the protestors, and rioters. They’re grown men and make their own decisions.

    • @kaedenlara2484
      @kaedenlara2484 3 년 전

      One of the best points made on here

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 3 년 전

      I truly hope you realize the difference between protests for a very righteous cause, troublemakers using protests as a cover for their crap, and football players holding their own workouts. Very specious logic on your part. Also, note that in many cities, protesters were masked up and there haven't been major spikes in new cases. So wear a goddamned mask if you want football!

    • @joanieloveschachi4475
      @joanieloveschachi4475 3 년 전

      John Chedsey mask don’t do anything yuh jack ass

  • @CoffeeFresh_
    @CoffeeFresh_ 3 년 전 +4

    His name is DECAF!!

  • @jorgep4423
    @jorgep4423 3 년 전 +2

    DK is gonna be a problem this coming yr calling it!!

    • @user-wh6sp6st8s
      @user-wh6sp6st8s 3 년 전

      That's a big big big man. I wouldnt wanna have to make a living covering him..

  • @jlas-sk2zb
    @jlas-sk2zb 3 년 전

    DK Metcalf is brawlic for his size

  • @manchesterexplorer8519

    Doesn't matter how much they practice , they'll be lucky if the season lasts 2 months due to covid ....if that.

  • @terrancebrown8432
    @terrancebrown8432 3 년 전 +1

    what if tom brady gets cov 19 and give to other playerhe is the one player they going to cover up

  • @lukevillamor9830
    @lukevillamor9830 3 년 전 +1

    Like the nfl is going to suspend some of the best players in the nfl. People don’t care if their not socially distancing we just want football. Suggestions aren’t rules too.

    • @evilsWa
      @evilsWa 3 년 전

      The irony being that in order to have football we have to have some amount of social distancing you putz.

  • @thedon367
    @thedon367 3 년 전

    No more AFL?

  • @rdub6941
    @rdub6941 3 년 전

    It is called freedom
    If people want to workout with each other, no government or business can stop them. That would be ridiculous. Again it is called freedom

  • @davidchung2953
    @davidchung2953 3 년 전

    Bit of a misleading video title..I thought Tom Brady and Russ were practicing together

  • @FPSTed
    @FPSTed 3 년 전 +2

    As someone who was diagnosed with Covid19 yesterday, this pisses me off to no end. It’s not anything to take lightly.

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 3 년 전

      Hope you have the mildest of cases!

    • @jamesdavis8731
      @jamesdavis8731 3 년 전

      I agree, the absolute assinine behavior of so many people is just disgusting. Total lack of respect for others.

    • @user-bo7bk1jw4f
      @user-bo7bk1jw4f 3 년 전

      So we should live in fear fkr the rest of our lives ?

    • @justinc5226
      @justinc5226 3 년 전

      Everyone is going to get it eventually anyway

  • @mangomangay7747
    @mangomangay7747 3 년 전

    Rona wants no smoke from Brady.

  • @downbeats41
    @downbeats41 3 년 전 +1

    3 nfl players practicing together is really bad, but thousands of people can protest and riot and it’s cool?

  • @ecopsych101
    @ecopsych101 3 년 전 +2

    OMG...SOMEONE is taking responsibility for their own HEALTH!! The humanity.

  • @coop8849
    @coop8849 3 년 전 +1

    Lol if u guys whined about theyre social distancing only 2 guys working out and u still think they're is gonna b a season???

  • @womensworkoutchannel
    @womensworkoutchannel 3 년 전 +3

    Tom Brady is a hardcore health nut corona won't even touch him. That guy probably won't get sick again a day in his life.

  • @Dmitriallen24
    @Dmitriallen24 3 년 전

    At 4:00 you have seen Pat McAfee fiend.

  • @medicinecloud5488
    @medicinecloud5488 3 년 전

    Did you know that vitamin D is good for your immune system, and that sun rays put out vitamin D, so it is actually healthier to be out in the sun than to stay indoors

  • @AwesomeAustinz
    @AwesomeAustinz 3 년 전 +6

    When are people gonna realize the world is gonna be just fine?

    • @lukeshen1661
      @lukeshen1661 3 년 전 +1

      Yea in like 6 months maybe

    • @JakeMC521
      @JakeMC521 3 년 전 +1

      Irreparable damage to the economy and 150,000 deaths is "just fine?" I mean, in the grand scheme of thing? Sure, I guess. But there's no point in down playing things

    • @AwesomeAustinz
      @AwesomeAustinz 3 년 전

      Jake C. People die buddy. The 150,000 number isn’t even solid. It’s not even a big number. Flu, car wrecks, drugs, cancer, war, crimes, drownings or who know what else. This “pandemic” is going to roll through nature like anything else, man made or not. People die everyday, now all of a sudden people notice? This just another thing humans will have to adapt to, get over it. We as a SPECIES on this planet, need embrace and understand that stuff like this is gonna happen.

  • @Roadlesstraveled59

    Look you guys it is a Recommendations.

  • @YbarrasMind
    @YbarrasMind 3 년 전

    If you ain't cheating you ain't tryin

  • @brandonpaulrydberg8132

    Russell is in his backyard 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @dc018
    @dc018 3 년 전

    Does pat know he needs a size larger shirt orrrrr

  • @charliegrant7188
    @charliegrant7188 3 년 전 +1

    Holy hell Let them practice, Suspend them 6 games are you high, Its there risk and there risking to get covid when it's not bad at all and only old people are dying and Thos people are in peak physical condition

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 3 년 전 +1

      Your comment is so full of crap that I'm convinced you wrote this on the toilet.

  • @joshuaharter9483
    @joshuaharter9483 3 년 전

    Slap on the wrist ya know suspend him 6 games 😂😂😂

  • @williamcutrell7456

    theese guys talk about foor ball players in wide open field while there crammed in a room with no masks

  • @isaacp.1464
    @isaacp.1464 3 년 전 +7

    We Love TB12

  • @koalaslaw3790
    @koalaslaw3790 3 년 전

    Ordnance explode

  • @alejandrofrade325
    @alejandrofrade325 3 년 전 +1

    The ESPYS, when did that happen?