British Students Try Korea's SAT English Exam!?! (IMPOSSIBLE?💀)

lois로이 fighting!!! 응원합니다!!!👏👏

그저 내 인생에 있어서 수많은 목요일 중에 하루일 뿐입니다. 긴장하지마시고 편하게 하던대로 최선을 다해서 좋은 결과 얻으시길 바랍니다 :)

수능 대박나세요!

좋은 대학으로 가십쇼! 떨지마시구요!

수능 대박나세요! 긴장하시지 마시고...

it's same in every non-english-speaking country bro

@@omeraydinmike a big YES

@@omeraydinmike Its same in English speaking countries too bro. The U.S. public school system is standardized test determined, it's just not as hard and people still drop 5k on tutoring for their kids to do well on the SAT or ACT.

@@omeraydinmike i like this comment

I don't know if people in the west are dumber or what. The Korean SAT is a perfect exam for a highschool student (barring the time constraint, but a 15% increase would make it perfect). All the concepts required for the test are a prerequisite for a college student and that way they won't waste a semester in college polishing their prerequisites. All those who are doubtful about the speaking skills of Koreans, let me tell you that korea is a highly homogeneous country and nobody actually needs to speak English to survive, but they still learn it to make themselves relevant to the global world. All they lack is practice in actually speaking it.

Instead of having them go around matching keys to locks (memorization to solve existing problems), we should be handing them a single lock with no key and teaching them ways to open it (understanding to solve novel problems).

Education in a nutshell

맞는 얘기임. 체제 순응주의자를 뽑는 시험이지. test for comformists.

Like every other structured schooling system in the World? Racist comment from a racist mindset.

@@WanderingWolf365 racist? wtf lmao

근데 한국 학생들이 워낙 공부를 열심히 하는 사람이 많아서 변별력이 있으려면 저렇게 내는 수 밖에 없음ㅠㅠ

공부 안 해보신듯... 서울대들어간 사람들도 과연 그렇게 말을할까요?

@Relentless in OGC 레알 그렇게 볼 수도 있긴 하네요

공부 제대로 안하신 듯 ㅋ

요령 안다고 1등급 나오니

They aren't testing everyday English though.

@@haruyanto8085 exactly the point...

This seems to be testing the ability to understand inferred meaning rather than everyday speech. Very useful in academic comprehension because they tend to write poorly in a verbose manner about difficult concepts but damn.. thats difficult.

Obviously they're not testing on basic speech then are they?

Hara Yanto it’s the fact that this didn’t even make sense to these grown native english speakers so how could their educators expect korean students who’ve spoken korean since they could talk to understand and answer advanced literature and inferred meanings IN english like this

BIG FAT SAD TRUTH

Honestly, no tests measure smartness in my opinion. It's really about how well you prepared for it. I go to a school that's very competitive in sciences and I've seen really smart people not do well on tests because they didn't prepare properly

Totally agree!!!

Yeah,, it’s terrible but this is korean education..We have no choice..just do it without passion😂

We dont have any solution about this test. So we just study to fit in the system...T.T

이런걸 풀어?X
이딴걸 풀어?O

진짜 교육청들은 수능영어 똑똑하다고 하면 안됩니다... ㅋㅋㅋ 문장 구조가 어색한걸 고르라 하는데, 그냥 하나같이 흐름 끊기고 어색한 문장밖에 없습니다....

@@monke7359 그럼 영어가 아니지 않음? ㅋㅋ

@@seunghunlee3577 두분이 친한 사인가 보네요 반말 하면서 농담삼아 비아냥 거리는거 보면요

@@seunghunlee3577 ㅋ ㅋ애초에 불닭님 하고 당신도 남 아닌가요? 님이 먼저 남이 말하는데 비판적으로 끼어들어 놓고 그런말씀 하시면 안되지요

I think you'd realise after some time that it's not so much an English test, meant to help students at all in speaking English, as it is a test to see how well you infer meanings and clues within the text to help you. Probably with a life surrounded by academic papers and journals in mind. In my opinion, the skill set the students develop preparing for this test are probably not the most important skill set you want to cultivate in a whole student body. There are other skills and qualities more important for life in society that these students miss out on by the obsessive studying you'd be expected to do.

ㅇㅈ합니다 진짜 넘 한국수능도 그렇고 초중고 교육이 넘 복잡한듯....

@@wjd-mn8cb 네 맞아요...

Korean schools and colleges doesn't have any objective to teach English to the students. If a Korean is speaking good english, then it will be of his/her own effort and not bcs of education system. Exams in Korea will be difficult bcs most of them are pressured by parents and sometimes themselves to get into popular Universities like SNU. Which has made exams very difficult bcs of high demand...

The thing is people do write like that... Researchers, scientists, philosophers and the like. So I think that instead of teaching the students how to speak English, they are teaching them how to write research papers or how to structure their sentences and words like a professional. They are preparing them for a professional scenario, not to talk casually with people. I guess at the age the students do these exams they expect them to already know English pretty well, so they take it further and teach them (or expect them to know) how English is used in a more professional setting.

HELLO!!!! DYING KOREAN HERE!!!!!! CAN ANYBODY HERE ME???? I HATE THESE STUPID TESTS!!!!

남서아 i have faith in you, friend!

Haha send help 😭😅

@@user-sp9qy8ie5s Korea's education system needs to change.. Like 12 DAMN HOURS OF STUDY IS JUST TOO MUCH

@@Sofia-il3rj I really want it. I go to Korean middle school, so I am scared to be a high school student.ㅠㅠ. I wanna go back to the babyㅠㅠ...

그럼 지금은 핼조선에 계시고 있으신 건가요?

저 지금 뉴질랜드 중등교육 마지막 학년 보내고 있어요 고등학교 들어가기 싫은뎅

생각해보니 그랬네요. 내가 뭘 알고 있는가가 아니라 내가 놓친게 뭔지 전전긍긍...ㅜㅜ 점차 바뀌겠죠. 국민들이 알고 있는데 정치인들도 그걸 마냥 무시할수는 없는거니.

뭐 지금 대부분 중학교는 국영수 전범위 겠지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

중등교육: 중학교 고등학교, 고등교육: 대학

I have the same problem when my Thai friends ask me to check their work... they structure a lot of things like an essay too, even if it’s something informal.

But, Your words like 'convoluted', 'pedantic' are also seen academic to me.(Korean) We can't easily classify which words are academic or not. Only recently, I heard English in Korean exam are academic by KRplus or something. In addition, I am not confident of what I'm saying. and maybe, that's the thing most of Koreans experienced. That makes wrong exam continues.

Noah Jung I think the easiest way to explain this is formal and informal. In English we adjust our word terms to fit the situation. In email or casual conversation we use simple terms. Only in report then we use more complicated terms. The easiest way to sound less “academic” is to writer in simple, and shorter sentences. To speak as plainly as possible. I agreed convoluted and pedantic actually rarely used irl either, but needed to be said here because simpler terms doesn’t exist (I don’t think).

@@AT-lp8qg that's about it, although we don't have the concept of formal and informal like you do in Korean.

​@@noahjung2597 that's a good point. When an advanced level of English is taught, I think there should be more focus on grammar and sentence structure, rather than academic style writing. Being able to write clearly, concisely and to-the-point is more important when applying for jobs, writing CV's etc, than knowing words like "moreover" and "henceforth"

The reason they make this exam so hard is because the scores determines the grade of each student, which determines which university they can go to. The top grade is consumed of only ~4% of all test takers and are the cream of the crop, they are able to go to the most prestigious universities. So for example if many students were able to get high scores on this exam then there would be chaos in students applying for the top universities with only low passing rates. So it's not like each test-taker is being tested for their own individual intelligence, but they are being tested on how much better they are compared to the other test-takers in the nation.

@@crossref233 thanks for that, it made more sense now. Still I'm sad of this system.

True. While the tests in its purest form do test someone's knowlege, not intelligence, But if you think about it, being smart alone will not pull someone out from poverty without knowledge.especially in a very fucked up capitalism like south korea where a few people has a chokehold on resources.
The system values numbers. And numbers indicate that the system values knowledge more than smart. You just have to be smart enough to utilize your knowledge to keep the system going.
The SAT has evolved into something brutal in korea and china. It has become a test that makes students compete against each other for good universities.
This also reflects the west in their SAT.
If you didn't graduate from a prestigious university, with more and more percentage of the people are getting college educated, employers will resort to filter applicants to only receive those coming from the more prestigious universities.
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While the system is hard to beat, this is where smart people are needed. In tge US, you can see it. People from the tech industry in the past 50 years broke away from the system.
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But in Korea, smart people are being shoved in the system by the powerful people. They can't fight back at all. That's why there's barely any start up companies in Korea.

@@antislutful Hello I'm quite interested by your comment, would you mind giving us some articles and references to read please? ^^

@Vincent Valentine they make you work hard for sure but not necessarily think harder. I guess you have more general knowledge and work strength but life's about abstract thinking and creative solution-finding. there is no right or wrong system I guess, but both have strong and weak points for sure. I'm happy with the education I received and wouldn't trade it for any "high league" university in Korea.

미스터 한혜숙
격하게 공감합니다.
아울러, 그렇지만 한국에선 시험 결과가 정의를 한다는 사실에서
너무나도 가슴이 아픕니다.

슬프지만 수능이 그래도 불합리한 사회의 경쟁에서 가장 합리적이고 객관적으로 나를 평가해주는 시험임.

@@user-fm9su7gj5q 헬조선이 발전해서 평등하다고 생각한게 겨우 이거고 안바꿀거라니까
헬조선에서 애 안낳고탈출하는 사람들이 많아지는거임ㅋ

@@user-ih2fi2xe7v 웅 꼰대헬조선 세대와
달라진 세상이니까 저렇게 살아도 돼~ 안통하면 한국 탈출하면 되는거고ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

그래서 선생님들 가끔씩 모르면 수업하다 밖으로나가서 교무실 가거나 참고 서적 보잖아ㄲㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㄲㅋ내말은 그러기전에 한번 학생들을 가르치기전에 모두 아우를수있는 수업을 만들면 좋지않을까함

대학에서 논문읽을수있는 능력을 보는게 수능인데 저렇게 안내면 어떻게냄

@@eu_heuheu ??? 그럼 영국애들은 대학에서 논문 안 읽음? 왜 어려워함? 쟤들은 왜 이 정도 난이도로 시험 안 봐도 대학 잘만 다님? 다른 나라는 저렇게 시험문제를 안 내고도 잘 만 출제하니까 쟤들이 저런 반응이겠지?

@@user-zn9yd9dd8w 논문이 영어라서 그런거아님? 원서라든지..

@@user-bc9lp7hw2d 쟤들이 푼거는 영어아님? 조금 더 설명해주셈 무슨 말인지 이해 못하겠음

wouldn't be much of a test for comprehension if it was just a single sentence now would it (they said these were the harder questions)

N that’s so true. Typical comprehensive question are normally four to 5 sentence long and only 1/4 of the page. That was literally an entire page.

@@langtastic The IELTS test gives you 3 3 page texts and a bunch of questions about them and you have an hour to do it. Every English test is like that if you're not English and they're testing academic understanding

honestly, having gotten them all right, I feel that it's kind of like the American SAT except they give you a new shorter passage every question.

@@suburban8614 Yeah, SAT passages are longer.

I mean Bananas contain K (Potassium) which is really good for the brain. Obviously if you have the right amount. It speeds up your thought process and you are more active. Bananas prevent excess adrenaline too. It is the same when you eat almonds.

저렇게 보면 이미 등급 떡락함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

설마요....
단순히 오래 봤다는 이유만으로요.....?;;;;;

뱃살무늬토기 시간이 없어요 듣기만 20-24분 고정인데. 나머지 남은 시간으로 풀고 검토하기 절대절대 힘들죠.적어도 한문제에 1-2분 이상 소비하면 안됩니다. 모르는 문제는 빨리 넘어가야겠죠ㅎ

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 미쳣네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

@@big_face_dumpling0215 시험지는 신속하게 보며 빠르게 문제를 풀어나가야 하는거고 뚫어지게 봐야하는건 공부할때 교재를 그렇게 봤어야하죠ㅋㅋㅋ

Oh I agree. I don't think their education system is effective. High school education should be aimed at public good, not training a few elites.

@@ananya7708 Talking about middle school, I assume you are Korean. Please tell me why Korean students show difficulty in presenting opinions in English and understanding English lecture. If you have this level of English education in as early as middle school, you surely have to understand lectures in English.

@@ananya7708 bro what school are you studying in?? I mean it's not that easy but it's not THAT difficult either?

@@ananya7708 I do, and no I'm english medium too and yes I agree to that part , that we get these long paragraphs, but I still thought the level of english and the usage of that precise, extreme level of almost shakespearean english was a bit too much, I remember getting hard unseen passages with difficult english but, never this hard

P

Wow thanks for the information
I didn't know it was this bad

I am an ordinary college student who has been through this curriculum in Korea. To sum up briefly, there are two issues here.
First, This exam is “the Scholastic Ability Test”. So many academic terms are used.
Second, there’s a sort of ‘unfairness issue’ in this test. To many students in my country, this exam is the most important test. If exam sentences are given in everyday English, students who have studied abroad since childhood have a great advantage. (Rich people can go abroad without financial strain.) in addition to what appears to be superficial, there are many social and cultural problems involved in here.
I think there's one thing―exactly “things”―you're mistaken about, in fact many high-scoring students understand what the contents mean exactly, not just memorizing.

The issue you pointed out here might be true to some extent, for some schools and students, but to say that the whole English education system is based on memorizing and nothing else is surely not true and over exaggeration of the matter.

@@kolviczd6885 considering that I speak with people across the country on a daily basis (all of us NETs and the majority of us high school teachers) I can confidently say it is the majority of the country with this problem. Another problem I didn't already mention is the fact that we are not allowed to fail students. I had a student who didn't do their english project (a 1 minute presentation on a job they would like - something I learned in my 2nd year studying a foreign language in school) worth 50% of their final grade and refused to do their 1 on 1 oral exam with me worth the other 50% and I was no allowed to give him 0 marks even though it's what he deserved for literally doing nothing. And that problem is also across the board from what I've seen and what I've heard. How can the Korean government brag about the education system and how the country is so educated when it is like this? Of course if you're letting everybody pass with minimum effort the scores will always be good. As with most of South Korea, it's all about keeping face rather than actually benefiting the students. And don't get me wrong I love the country I have enjoyed living here but the education system NEEDS to change. Seriously.

@@user-kg6md1wn3s the unfairness issue doesn't change though. Because even rich students who don't go abroad can still pay a lot of money to go to 학원s and get private tutoring specifically tailored to the 수능 so they're still getting the advantage because they are wealthy and I have seen exactly that problem in my own school. The high scoring students are usually (not always but mostly) the students who can afford private tutoring in a 학원. I also know someone who has been through the korean education system and is about to start her masters degree and she admitted herself the only reason she did well in school was because her parents had the money to give her a better education than most of her classmates. Which only brings us to further issues regarding students poor health due to spending hours after school in further education and then studying until the very early morning which I have also seen with my own eyes.

실제로 그렇게 말하면 욕할듯ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

기본적으로 영어가 모국어인들 분들 평균정도 수준만 되도 수능영어 1등급은 ㄹㅇ 껌임 ㅋㅋ
공부 좀만 해서 문제 유형에 익숙해지고 푸는 방법 터득하면 저정도는 장난이지
공부해보면 알거다
적어도 수능에서는 영어가 국어에 비해 얼마나 ㅈ밥인줄 ㅎㅎ

근데 만점이 나온다는 사실..ㅋㅋㅋ

@@user-cq9ij7wo2b 고등학교 때 배운 내용을 대학교 때 완벽하게 연계할 순 없죠
이건 당연한 겁니다
우린 살아가면서 수많은 것들을 배우지만,
전문적인 영역으로 나아가기 위해서 그 중 일부는 버려야 합니다
그럼에도 우리가 공부를 하는 이유는 다능공이 되기 위함이죠
예를 들어서, 한 프로그래머가 외주를 받는다 칩시다
물리엔진을 만들 땐 고등학교 때 배운 물리를 적용시킬 수 있구요
맞춤법 검사기를 만들 땐 국어 시간에 배운 문법을 적용시킬 수 있습니다

아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

통찰력ㄷㄷ

완전공감이요

네 진짜 ㄹㅇㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Insight

진짜 지니어스👍

ㅇㅈㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

ㅆㅇㅈㅋㅋㅋ

근데또 쉽게내면 등급에 문제가 생기니깐 어렵게낼수밖에없음..

@@kwnashop4694 그 뜻이 아닌거 같아요... 이 시험의 문제는 학생의 지식습득과 향상을 돕는게 아니라, 얼마나 사회에서 요구하는 시스템에 가장 부합하게 생각하는 사람을 뽑느냐..의 문제인 거겠죠. 영상 마지막에 영국친구가 짚은 부분처럼. so cruel.....

이런영상은 그냥공부못하는애들이 정신승리하는 용도던데 내가공부를
안(못)하는이유는 한국의교육정책이
다른선진국과다르기때문이야~~
이런식으로합리화함ㅋㅋ ㅉ

allyboon samee😅

Omg I was looking at this comment

Once my teacher gave us a pop quiz mid class without warning and all the answers were D. I didnt really care about it so i just read it, thought "oh, everything is D." And ended up getting everything right... the other kids got it wrong bc I think they doubted themselves lmao
Moral: dont doubt yourself, even if you'd probably have gotten a 0.

@@floracent that's the fun part about pop quizzes. You'll only get the answers right if you're either lucky, or you studied.
In my case, can't relate to both.

If only my exams were multiple choice 😭😭

대위님 개근상 받으셔야할 듯ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Capt..
We love you..

오 프필을 보니 !!

@안재현 토종 안씨 반가워요♡

@@user-sv3ef3mj9e 울엄마가 개근상이 제일 큰 상이랬어요:-)

I just love the irony. She was ignorant of the definition of ignorance.

@@melodyfussell829 lol my thoughts exactly

I think she's joking!

Probably checked the dictionary.

Pretty simple really. English has lots of words for the concept that ignorance refers to. 'Ignorance' is one of the most formal of these and in general in the UK people use the less formal words in day to day life, only encountering the more formal versions occasionally in formal settings. Even then there are usually several more formal words that could be used in such settings so you may not encounter one of them.
English is a language with hundreds of thousands of words, but only a few thousand of those make up the majority of words spoken each day in the UK.
For foreigners trying to understand which words are more formal and which less formal to express a particular thing, in general the more formal variants are derived from Latin or Greek, whilst the less formal are more likely derived from Germanic or Norse roots.

And he's cute! 😁

He's so funny

He knows what beta blockers are at such a young age..

Ah... C VA...

Ha.. C BA...

Eh... CB

미치게따 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

시밬ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

듣기가 어려우면 외국살다온 애들한테 너무 유리해서 쉽게 내는거임

ㄴㄴ
리딩: 25살
듣기: 13살~15살 정도
말하기: 5살 수준

Since they're in the UK, why not Cambridge? Jennie and Rev Chris's university.

That test is to judge who is more testing machine.

More × better ○

Well...I happened to have studied at Brown university and I got all of the questions except the philosopher question right... But I am a Korean too so I don't know how much that counts lol

@@user-vr7zl2zt2g 어휴 한국인... ㅋㅋ 지적하는거 보소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

"My ghrelin level has reached profound amount despite my physiological tolerance emerging from abdominal adipose depositions, and I faced irresistible urge to consume another fast-acting carbohydrate package such as Paldo BigLidⓇ"

Actually I think it should be more complex

@@user-yd9yn3xo2j Of course. They extract medical papers and write things that are hard for the general public to understand.

인정ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 극히 공감

You are really correct zzzz

Finally I understand

ikr wkrjbf

And kdramas 😂

Not only that but planes actually can't take off or land for an hour on exam day (at the time when the students are taking the English listening exam).
Other weird things:
1. Certain vehicles are banned from driving on the street outside test locations (they're too loud)
2. If you're running late you can call the police to give you a police escort to the exam location
3. Most schools take exam day as a discretionary day off. I teach at a middle school in Korea and we get exam day off every year.

적극 공감합니다.

한국은 무한경쟁 사회라 바뀌긴 쉽지 않을 겁니다. 그래서 더 안타깝네요

아니 왜 멋대로 우리 정신건강을 판단하는건지ㅋㅋㅋㅋ댓글들 어이없네 잘만 살고 열심히 공부하는데 왜 자기들 멋대로 정신건강 운운함ㅋㅋㅋ?

성공적으로 마친것만으로도 수고 하시네요..

그냥 찐따라서 말못거는거 아니죠?

말을 왜 그따구로 하시나요 진짜 국어능력이 딸려서 못알아듣는건가요 아니면 그냥 비꼬고싶어서 그러시는건가요 사람이 왜이렇게 꼬여있어요??

별 댓글도 아닌데 08년생부터 겁나 물어뜯네요 ㅋㅋ 현역때 외국어영역 2등급 받았고 나름 읽고 쓰기 능력은 떨어진다고 생각하지 않는데 말하기능력은 형편없다... 학교에서 말하기는 제대로 가르쳐 준 적이 없다라고 쓴 글이 이해가 잘 안되시는 건지. ㅋㅋㅋ

또 언어는 말하기 듣기가 당연히 기본이 되어야 하는데 ... 우리의 교육은 상대적으로 쓰기 읽기에 치중되어 있다는 현실이 안타까워 쓴 글입니다.

압니다ㅠㅠ

Tell me which country is not then? We are, lol even you are doing everything you can to fit the "system" you just dont realize it and hypnotizing yourself that you are out of the system but you are not and you never were out of the system...

@지랄하는초딩을보면참교육하는 씹선비 "이건 너가 얼마나 똑똑한지를 시험하는게 아니라, 얼마나 제도에 잘 맞는지 테스트 하는것이다"

지랄하는초딩을보면참교육하는 씹선비 “이거 공부 잘하는지 시험하는 게 아니라 걍 지네 시스템에 맞는지 시험하는 거 아님?” 이거 킹정

Hong Wonsuk 정말 그러네요!

시험이 없을수도...고등학교 평균점수로 지원하는 나라도 있습니다. 캐나다는 수능 시험이 없죠.

이영상의 주제점은 뒤에 있는데...알고보면 한국학생들 아니 한국에 대한 동정심 내지는비웃는게 들어있죠...약간이나마....
우리는 청춘의 시간을 대부분 쓸모없는 지식에 시간과 열정을 투자해서 쓰레기같은 결과를 얻어내는데 많은 소모를 하고 있습니다..
오늘이 그 결과를 시험하는 수능날이군요.. 수십년이 지난 지금도 학력주의 쩔어있어 방송에서는 수능시험을 걱정하는 사람으로 넘쳐납니다.
그런 걱정을 원천적인 왜 수능에 메달리는지에 초점이 맞춰져야 할것입니다..많이 잘못됬어요..
영국인들은 저런 세세한 지식에 시간 열정을 투자하기보다는 커다란 숲의 모양을 보려고 줄기를 이해하려는 공부를 하고 있어요..
그런게 진짜 똑똑한 지식입니다. 그래서 우리보다 잘 먹고 잘살고 있죠....문화도 금융등 세계시장의 큰손들이 영국인들이죠..
영국남자가 한국에서 영상 만드는것봐 봐도 우리보다 눈위에서 보고있는건 틀임없죠. 그게 바로 쌓여온 문화의 힘입니다.

전 현재 영국에서 유학하고 있는 유학생입니다. 한국과 영국의 교육방식과 시험 방법이 매우 다릅니다. 그래서 어릴때부터 연습하지 않은 한국학생들이 영국 대입시험 영어 문제를 풀기는 어려울 것입니다. 또한 영국은 대학 입학 전 보는 a-level 이전에 GCSE 라는 시험을 봅니다. GCSE는 영어가 다섯개로 나누어져 있습니다. 그리고 모든 문제가 서술형이기 때문에 한국학생들이 하기에는 조금 무리가 아닌가 싶습니다.

@@seohyeonbaek8209 서술형이기에 무리다...
뭐야 맞잖어

high iq doesnt mean theyre robot like people lol dont think theyre that bright since they seem to rack focus power. but ehy they seem to be nice and warm people none the less

IQ is but a small part of intelligence. Indeed the utility of general intelligence is sometimes understated, but always highly appreciated, even if people don't quite know when it is prevailing. IQ, measuring soft intelligence, has increased over the centuries, but anthropological data suggests that general intelligence (by reference to the markers) has decreased markedly, at least in the West.

@president camacho "terms like 'soft intelligence' is just a way for dumb people to feel better about themselves" -spoken like a true dumb person ヽ(ˇ∀ˇ )ゞ

@president camacho "no offense, but the way you write is indicative of your own level of education" Dude try not to sound so arrogant. Your own comments don't exactly exude intelligence. "But it stands to reason that a higher IQ results in a superior ability to process information" - a poor expression of a poor idea. EDIT: oh christ, reading your whole comment was a bad idea. You sound incredibly pretentious, trying to word everything the way you think a smart person sounds ugh

I totally disagree. Though the exam seems a bit irrelevant of students' on the surface, in a super-competitive society like South Korea, it is actually a must for the exams to be difficult enough to sort out which students are really the smartest by making the exams super hard. And though it certainly has some drawbacks, it is Korea's 'education fever' that has made Korea the 11th or 12th biggest economy in the world within just several decades literally from the rubble of the Korean War. She just doesn't know the first thing about Korea.
완전반대입니다. 표면적으로 학생들에게 필요없는 시험을 치르게 한다고 보일 수 있지만, 한국처럼 극도로 경쟁적인 사회에서 시험의 높은 난이도는 필수적인 요소입니다. 가장 지적능력이 뛰어난 학생을 가릴 수 있어야 하니까요. 여러 단점도 있겠으나, 이런 한국의 교육열이 한국전쟁의 폐허에서 단 수십년만에 한국이 11, 12위의 경제대국으로 성장하게 만든 원동력입니다. 영국분이 한국에 대해 뭘 알고 저런 말을 할까요.

@@drunkentiger9134 아니 경제발전을해도 당장 내가안행복한데 그게뭐가중요합니까? 맨날 자사률 1윈데 그리고 완전히 도움이 안됐다면 거짓말이겠지만 지금 이 나라의 교육은 시험을위한 공부지 실생활이나 학문연구에서 전혀 빛을 못바라는 교육방식입니다. 1번에서 5번찍고 답란지에 답적어서 좋은점수먹고 다음달에 까먹는게 교육입니까?
핀란드와 우리나라는 전세계 교육열 1,2위를 다투고 있는데 우리나라는 왜 노벨상이 없는걸가요?

@@drunkentiger9134 this kind of exams are utter bullshit. Sorry for my crude words but people should be evaluated on actual english rather than this pile of gibberish

@@drunkentiger9134 sorry if I’m being rude but no I think that’s wrong in all ways it doesn’t matter if you have the dictionary words that it will make you smart or professional language ment to let ppl communicate with each other to understand what the other person say and believe me even English teacher doesn’t not know all hard words and they don’t use it so why make hard test for just second language they don’t need it if they can let you understand them that’s enough 🙂

@@user-du1cx5ek6k 저분은 애초에 개인의 행복여부는 논외로 쳤음...
아마 여러단점이라 말씀하시면서 행복과는 거리가 있단 것도 인지하셨겠죠

I know ,LOL. Love that guy

its clearly not for casual communication setting. The question are mostly on professional setting, texts you stumble on scholar paper/data findings/dissertation/graphs findings etc. Personally it helps me a lot with my degrees and work now. If my purpose is to converse then we should certainly look at the speaking/listening test not comprehension test.

ㅋㅋㅋ 포멧됨 ㅋ

True, there are different types of intelligence. Everyone is different. Unfortunately, schools often only emphasize "textbook smarts" and want their students to fit a certain formula. In today's world, I think having "soft skills"/being able to communicate with others is far more important and can get you further in life. So students who think they've "failed" just because they didn't get good marks on these technical exams or didn't get into the best universities should not feel discouraged. Like one of the girls said, there is so much more to you, so much more you can do and have to offer to society than what these tests suggest. Life is not defined by test scores.

Ik!! I literally laughed out loud everytime he spoke 😂

I do agree with you.

그렇긴 한데 현지인들도 뭐가뭔지 모를수준의 문제를 한국에서 내는건 좀 말이 안되잖아요....

정작 영어 배워도 일상회화 안되서 외국인이랑 일하게됬을때 폭풍 회화 공부 한다는사람 엄청 많은데 빡세게 해봤자 무슨 의미가 있음..수학도 그렇고 해외 학자도 한국 교육 비판하는데 진짜 바뀔필요가있는건 맞아요

@@user-pe6yv9cl2d 수능영어는 회화에 중점을 둔게아니라 대학에서 논문을 읽고 올바른 판단을 할 수 있나에 포인트준거예요 또 직접 교수님이 수능지문 만드시기도하고

@@kokokong33 그건 아는데 사실상 그냥개인적으론 그게 큰 의미가 없다고 생각한다다는거에요

dam, that's a long time..

@@dulcet-colors haha...🤣😂😂🤣

그리고, 자기공부 시작..

@@davidlegacyboyya2189 그리고 새벽 3시 취침 6시 기상

@ᄏᄏ 요즘 못 째요

Since I've heard that a lot of koreon students are too stressed out and depressed, like is it really worth it when they pass the exams? Why does it seem most people in sk strive really high to the point where it's done unhappily and completely ruins their mental health? I'm just curious by the way and I really love koreon culture but I'm not sure why most are obsessed with perfection?

How did it go?

@@sammy5267 I even saw a video where a student was asked what he wanted to pursue after the test but he said he doesn't know yet since his main goal is to pass the exams. I mean, Japan has a large number of suicide deaths every year and Korean teens are becoming depressed with exams at the same time the countries i mentioned are first world countries. Their country is so developed and i think that's a reason why education is taken seriously there.
I live in a Southeast Asian country and our education sucks big time, we don't have any big tests like this (except when taking a bachelor's degree or boards) but as a result of that, our country isn't as developed as East Asian ones. I applaud and aspire Korea for their economy and ability to fend for themselves after the war but i don't think I'd survive High School in their country.

in Pakistan we also go through same pressure n difficult test and end up in being empty mind so don't worry korean students i feel u i have gone through the same when i had my SAT exam so don't worry korean students we are with you n yeah fighting !!

@@sammy5267 In a lot of Asian countries, like South Korea, the university you're admitted to basically determines your social status and future. If you're admitted to SKY, then you're set up for life. It's quite tragic, honestly, that students are being subjected to such a tense and highly competitive environment that it ruins their mental health. However, the job market in South Korea is highly competitive as well, and having good educational background is an edge. Nowadays though, most companies prefer those with experience so even being a fresh graduate from one of the top universities doesn't guarantee being hired to the best companies.

츙떵

튱텽

하잇

@@user-ne6ts4ln9y 아..................시스템 오류인데.....

충생

그래서 전 영어를 포기했죠.

@@user-jm8zh3wr8n 동지여

회화식영어시험= 금수저시험

진짜 토익스터디할때보면 갓수능본친구들이 해석은 진짜 끝내주게 잘함

완전 공감해여 그런데 다들 그렇게 느끼는데 왜 도데체 안바뀌는거죠?

And then in the next section, there were like three number fours in a row.

Yeah, but when it's math tests and like you don't really have any idea at all, you'd just answer one number all the way. In that you might actually get a bunch of points, in my perspective.

무리 이게맞지 ㅇㅇ

In that case, the test makes sense. But as a non-korean, I think it would be important to fully understand the basic first, such as sentences and conversing - then the academic.

Yoongi infires me 이말도 맞지 ㅇㅇ

그런 느낌아님 우리나라 비문학은 실제로 수능낼때 가장많은 분야의 교수들이 와서 만드는 부분임 퀄리티가 우리가 푸는 영어지문이랑 다름. 영어지문들 구글에다가 쳐봐서 원본만 봐도 왜 외국인들이 어렵다고 하는지 알 수 있음.

장춘왕 혹시 수능 보셨어요?

국어 보다 더 안쓰는 단어와 포현, 복잡한 문장이 많죠

우리나라로 치면 국어 지문이 나오는데 일상생활에선 거의 안쓰는 용어가 나오는거와 비슷 ㅇㅇ

영어권에서 평범하게 '길 좀 비켜주실 수 있나요?' 로 사용하는 말을
수능 문제에서는 '매우 유감스럽지만 귀하의 신체가 제가 가고자 하는 진로를 물리적으로 차단하고 있어 통행에 크디큰 방해를 가하고 있습니다. 하지만 당신이 정면을 12시 방향이라고 명명했을때 3시 혹은 9시 방향으로 성인 남성의 평균보폭으로 4번 정도를 이동해주신다면 우리는 서로에게 배려함을 통해 얼굴을 붉힐일 없이 이 문제를 해결할 수 있으리라고 사료됩니다.' 정도로 표현하는게 문제인거죠

@@nima4122 그것뿐이라면 좋은데.. 위 지문이 가장 어울릴 상황은 무엇인가? 하고 저런스타일 보기를 5개 보여줌

영어는 국어와 달리 '해석시' 지문의 난이도가 매우 낮아집니다. 또한 문제는 매우 쉽고요.
여기서 문제는 '해석'이죠.. 단순히 말이 어려운게 아니라 그냥 문장이 2~3줄 이러다보니까 읽다보면 까먹게 돼요.
직독직해 잘하는 사람이 아니면 긴 문장을 만났을 때
영어=>번역=>단어 의미 파악=>실패=>의역
위와 같은 과정을 거치는데 안그래도 문장이 길어서 힘들어 죽겠는데 표현도 일상생활에서 안쓰는 용어로 하다보니까 꼬이고 꼬여서 뭔 개소린지 모르게 되는거죠.
만약 한글로 적혀있었다면 두번 세번 곱씹어봐서 이해라도 할텐데 영어라서 이 과정이 오래걸리고 어렵게 되는거예요.
그나마 문제라도 쉽게나와서 망정이죠.
국어영역 지문을 통째로 영어로 번역한다음에 문제도 국어영역처럼 낸다?
그러면 진짜 말도 안될거예요.
노이름님이 말씀하신 것 처럼 '영어영역'은 '영어'를 평가하는게 아니라 '대학 수학 능력'을 평가하는 것이기 때문에 결국 이에 해당하는 '해석력'을 평가하는겁니다. 국어는 분석및 해석력, 문제해결 능력, 수학, 탐구는 여기에 추론능력까지 평가하는거죠.
(요즘은 추론능력 평가 비중이 줄었습니다.)
영어에서 저 4요소를 다 요구한다면 1등급 비율이 이렇게 높게 나오진 않겠죠.
빈칸, 순서, 삽입등이 추론으로 보라면 볼 수도 있겠는데 수학, 탐구에서 다루는 것 만큼 깊게 다루지는 않아서 패스

They'll suffer heavily. Korean students rely immensely on multiple choice styles and therefore will find writing essay a huge challenge. Most of my korean mates who came over to the UK as overseas students didnt even know how to write an independent essay, let alone structure one.

Not sure about gcse but as a korean who took the SAT and ACT, they were fairly simple, especially the math was middle school level at best. However what was difficult was the college essay. To be honest, I didn't have a dream other than getting into a 'good' college(mind you good college was just name value, I wasn't even sure what major I wanted to be in). When they asked me questions about where do i see myself 10 years down the line...I had an answer but i couldn't compose anything with detail.

@@jspright5226 It really varies on what education they receive in Korea. I taught Korean middle schoolers for a year. I taught writing classes and parliamentary debate. Some of those kids could write and debate way better than undergrad students I tutored in the states.

That's actually a good idea!

I've seen that done, there was a documentary on TV in the UK (it's on KRplus somewhere). The students finished a 90 minute exam in about 15 minutes and said it was middle school material and too easy.

Im with you 굉장히 공감합니다 같은 대학생으로서..

"English" as a spoken language is pretty broad, since all the english-speaking countries, have their own culture/idioms/dialects/slang, not to mention different generational gaps (younger/older)

I agree definitely. That's the reason why most of Koreans are not used to speaking English despite pretty good at reading and write.

I have noticed this a lot with Korean students enrolling in Canadian schools. Reading skills are high but speaking and listening skills are lower. Speed is always prioritized too, which isn't always the best strategy in my opinion.

@@user-pd2tm4zv2t Actually it is written quite well. I'm an English Major, and a native speaker, I might know a little about it. 😉

@@thesoupiestsoupster9019 e) frick

This is so true!

If it's any consolation,I remember failing my english comprehension test i took in Canada. They were awful as well.
I feel like those tests are written by people who are awful at communication and don't want to improve as communicators, so they try to make ever teenager better at understanding their convoluted language.

@@JasonMcCarrell not sure what year you took it, but I took the canadian literacy test 4 years ago and I found it pretty easy. Maybe it's changed?

In Sweden we don't learn everyday english after you finnish 4th grade but instead formal writing and speaking.

Right, even in an actual essay or thesis writing, our prof would always remind us to just get to the point and don't dance around the same idea just to make our paper look longer and 'smarter' lmao